Is that the program will be in much better shape 12 months from now. Marquette hires Howland and we will have forgotten about BW. Press on.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 03:32:14 AM
Is that the program will be in much better shape 12 months from now. Marquette hires Howland and we will have forgotten about BW. Press on.
+1
I don't know if Howland will be the pick. But if it's him...or someone on his level, we will be in great shape.
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
Howland wants the job and we have a bag of $. This isn't rocket science.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
True. MU consistently struggles with high profile decision-making across the institution and has for years. Silver lining could be that Cords will lead the way w the hire. His track record exceeds that of the institution.
Keefe
Spot on. Time to look forward and find way to get Stone to wear Warrior uniform.
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:18:15 AM
Keefe
Spot on. Time to look forward and find way to get Stone to wear Warrior uniform.
And keep the assistant who recruited Hill. Guess that would be Chew. A coach with ties to national AAU programs and has the working knowledge of them/contacts.
Given that we are going to continue playing in a mid-major conference I'm not sure that the future is real bright.
We might get a better coach but we aren't going to get better conference competition.
I'm content to be stuck in the same mess as Villanova and Georgetown
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 22, 2014, 08:50:07 AM
I'm content to be stuck in the same mess as Villanova and Georgetown
beats the crap out of the situation UConn is in.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
Isn't this similar to the stuff we heard six years ago? Cords was gone, Crean was gone and now we had this geek lawyer Cottingham in the AD's office who had no experience making such a monumental decision. He panicked and hired a no-name assistant, etc., etc.
Turned out OK, no?
MU is a very attractive job. The fact that Howland already is lobbying for the gig and someone like Gregg Marshall is being mentioned as a realistic candidate affirms this.
There's obviously no guarantee that MU will get the right guy, but the notion we're doomed seems a little overly dramatic. Fact is, MU has hit on three of its last four hires. Chances are, MU will be fine.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 22, 2014, 08:13:20 AM
Howland wants the job and we have a bag of $. This isn't rocket science.
Howland coaches a boring style of basketball, MU fans will not be happy playing slow ball like the Badgers did in past years. Bill Walton hated his style, it would not be much better here. Need
a coach who is young, plays an exciting brand of BB, Howland does none of that. MU can have the pick of litter on coaches, the pay is out of site, facility is first class, private plane, first class hotels. I like a big time recruiter as I think that is the hardest part of this job. I really would like an up incoming assistant like they have done in the past who has shown to be a great recruiter.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 03:32:14 AM
Is that the program will be in much better shape 12 months from now. Marquette hires Howland and we will have forgotten about BW. Press on.
Keefe, since when does this board forget about coaches that have left? We won't forget about Buzz, most likely there will be two former coaches bashed in each thread instead of just one.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 22, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
Howland coaches a boring style of basketball, MU fans will not be happy playing slow ball like the Badgers did in past years. Bill Walton hated his style, it would not be much better here. Need
a coach who is young, plays an exciting brand of BB, Howland does none of that. MU can have the pick of litter on coaches, the pay is out of site, facility is first class, private plane, first class hotels. I like a big time recruiter as I think that is the hardest part of this job. I really would like an up incoming assistant like they have done in the past who has shown to be a great recruiter.
I disagree we get "the pick of the litter". Keep hiring assistants and you will keep looking for coaches. Keep hiring assistants and you will be perceived as a steeping stone, not a destination.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
Bill Cords?
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
Bill Cords?
Agreed. If Cords is handling the hiring, MU will be best off.
I'd be more comfortable with Broeker making the basketball hire. He's at least been on the scene and plugged in the past 5+ years.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2014, 05:22:29 AM
+1
I don't know if Howland will be the pick. But if it's him...or someone on his level, we will be in great shape.
I'm not saying it has to be Howland, though that would be my realistic preference. But I think this hire is too damned important strategically. Hiring a coach with a proven track record of accomplishment sends a strong message that Marquette is a destination, we are committed to excellence, and we want to win now.
Howland has won at every level and, Chico will appreciate this, he is a Zag!
Quote from: State Street Warrior on March 22, 2014, 09:57:37 AM
Keefe, since when does this board forget about coaches that have left? We won't forget about Buzz, most likely there will be two former coaches bashed in each thread instead of just one.
Rick Majerus was beloved. Dukiet was appreciated for his all too human imperfections. KO's acerbic wit and casual bonhomie makes him a preferred drinking partner. Mike Deane knows the X &O's better than anyone and who better to talk hoops with over a beer or six.
Am I forgetting anyone?
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 10:36:45 AM
I'm not saying it has to be Howland, though that would be my realistic preference. But I think this hire is too damned important strategically. Hiring a coach with a proven track record of accomplishment sends a strong message that Marquette is a destination, we are committed to excellence, and we want to win now.
Howland has won at every level and, Chico will appreciate this, he is a Zag!
What's the deal with Howland's recruiting ties? I'd imagine most are out on the West Coast.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 10:42:13 AMDukiet was appreciated
I can honestly say I have never read those words in the same sentence.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cords will be making the decision!
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 10:36:45 AM
I'm not saying it has to be Howland, though that would be my realistic preference. But I think this hire is too damned important strategically. Hiring a coach with a proven track record of accomplishment sends a strong message that Marquette is a destination, we are committed to excellence, and we want to win now.
Howland has won at every level and, Chico will appreciate this, he is a Zag!
Howland went to Weber State. I realize he had a brief stint as an assistant at Gonzaga and earned his masters there. I've spent some time with Ben. Just not sure the MU faithful will like his style
Quote from: LastWarrior on March 22, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
Cords will be making the decision!
I'm not convinced of that. I believe it will be a committee decision, much like Crean hire was.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 22, 2014, 08:13:20 AM
Howland wants the job and we have a bag of $. This isn't rocket science.
How dare you simplify things. This is a process and MU officials will eventually talk themselves out of wanting Howland.
Quote from: LAZER on March 22, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
What's the deal with Howland's recruiting ties? I'd imagine most are out on the West Coast.
He did a pretty good job recruiting East Coast kids at Pitt.
The guy's a nationally recognized name. don't think he'll have any trouble establishing ties wherever he goes.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 22, 2014, 10:52:44 AM
How dare you simplify things. This is a process and MU officials will eventually talk themselves out of wanting Howland.
I'm guessing the officials mentioned will be the smartest people in the room and will come up with some obscure assistant that no one has ever heard of..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
not sure the MU faithful will like his style
What? Going to numerous Final Fours?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
What's happened over the past few years that gives you confidence MU will make a quality decision here?
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
MU hasn't caught a break in 5+ years. At best, one could say "we're due."
Catch a break?! Theres ZERO leadership at that school right now! What established coach is gonna walk in to this situation?
Not optimistic right now.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
What? Going to numerous Final Fours?
The last guy that went to a Final Four at MU had a prickly personality, much like Ben's.
Let's just say Ben's style of play wasn't embraced out this way, but UCLA fans are a lot like fans of other schools from blueblood territory. What have you done for me in the last 12 months. That's why some coaches leave for places like Va. Tech.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 22, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
I'm guessing the officials mentioned will be the smartest people in the room and will come up with some obscure assistant that no one has ever heard of..
This.
And this.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 22, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Catch a break?! Theres ZERO leadership at that school right now! What established coach is gonna walk in to this situation?
Not optimistic right now.
There's 2-3 guys at the top of the list that would be decent. That's the same position we were in 7 years ago, MU went with an unknown, and yeah, Buzz worked, but that wasn't a sure thing when it was announced.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 11:10:43 AM
That's why some coaches leave for places like Va. Tech.
When you get into a pissing contest make sure you have the high ground and plenty of air cover. 17-15 ain't high ground. The Idiot Savant chalks up another Lesson Learned.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
Cottingham .. LW .. Fr. Pilarz. Not to mention the wasteland of interim deans that make up the leadership at MU.
They just hired w/i the last year a dean for the College of A&S after something like a seven year vacancy. Amateur hour.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 22, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
Howland coaches a boring style of basketball, MU fans will not be happy playing slow ball like the Badgers did in past years. Bill Walton hated his style, it would not be much better here. Need
a coach who is young, plays an exciting brand of BB, Howland does none of that. MU can have the pick of litter on coaches, the pay is out of site, facility is first class, private plane, first class hotels. I like a big time recruiter as I think that is the hardest part of this job. I really would like an up incoming assistant like they have done in the past who has shown to be a great recruiter.
Al played a deliberate, controlled defensive oriented game. If you win no one gets bored my friend.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
He did a pretty good job recruiting East Coast kids at Pitt.
The guy's a nationally recognized name. don't think he'll have any trouble establishing ties wherever he goes.
Bingo.
Why aren't our arms tired from throwing our money at him? Bring him in.
As a silver lining, the sooner we bring him aboard, the sooner this undercuts the notion that Buzz left on his own accord
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 22, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Catch a break?! Theres ZERO leadership at that school right now! What established coach is gonna walk in to this situation?
Not optimistic right now.
THIS!!!! Marquette has been caught at the wrong time in this situation. This University moves slowly and we have WAY to many high level positions open at the same time. It is actually pretty incredible how messed up they are right now.
Regarding Howland, a coup,e thi gs to think about while you watch SLU playing today, and UCLA tomorrow...Majerus was 59 (I think) whenhetool SLU job, ahdbeenout of the game for a couple years, andoresumalyhadno recruiting ties at the time. That team was in te Top 10 this year with the players he recruited, so please don't tell me he can't come in and get players. Oh BTW, SLU is not exactly Loyola Marymount from a style of play standpoint.
UCLA isn't good this year because of Steve Alford...their best players are NBA prospects that Howland recruited. I appreciate its UCLA and this is marquette, but again the arguments regarding, style of play, age, inability to get recruits, are just not based on much that can be supported.
The style of play all fans seem to like...winning. If you think MU fans will not get behind a tea like Howland's Pitt teams, I think you are kidding yourself.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
Howland went to Weber State. I realize he had a brief stint as an assistant at Gonzaga and earned his masters there. I've spent some time with Ben. Just not sure the MU faithful will like his style
Al McGuire played a boring style! We loved him!
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 22, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
Regarding Howland, a coup,e thi gs to think about while you watch SLU playing today, and UCLA tomorrow...Majerus was 59 (I think) whenhetool SLU job, ahdbeenout of the game for a couple years, andoresumalyhadno recruiting ties at the time. That team was in te Top 10 this year with the players he recruited, so please don't tell me he can't come in and get players. Oh BTW, SLU is not exactly Loyola Marymount from a style of play standpoint.
UCLA isn't good this year because of Steve Alford...their best players are NBA prospects that Howland recruited. I appreciate its UCLA and this is marquette, but again the arguments regarding, style of play, age, inability to get recruits, are just not based on much that can be supported.
The style of play all fans seem to like...winning. If you think MU fans will not get behind a tea like Howland's Pitt teams, I think you are kidding yourself.
Agreed re: Howland's style and age.
The vast majority of MU fans aren't that picky. We like to make fun of Bucky's pace, but the reality is most of us would be OK with that pace so long as it delivered wins.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2014, 02:01:34 PM
Agreed re: Howland's style and age.
The vast majority of MU fans aren't that picky. We like to make fun of Bucky's pace, but the reality is most of us would be OK with that pace so long as it delivered wins.
Yep. For me, the keys are following the rules (which Howland seems to do) and winning (which Howland definitely does).
I'm fine with 40-30 games, as long as we have the 40....
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 22, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
Regarding Howland, a coup,e thi gs to think about while you watch SLU playing today, and UCLA tomorrow...Majerus was 59 (I think) whenhetool SLU job, ahdbeenout of the game for a couple years, andoresumalyhadno recruiting ties at the time. That team was in te Top 10 this year with the players he recruited, so please don't tell me he can't come in and get players. Oh BTW, SLU is not exactly Loyola Marymount from a style of play standpoint.
UCLA isn't good this year because of Steve Alford...their best players are NBA prospects that Howland recruited. I appreciate its UCLA and this is marquette, but again the arguments regarding, style of play, age, inability to get recruits, are just not based on much that can be supported.
The style of play all fans seem to like...winning. If you think MU fans will not get behind a tea like Howland's Pitt teams, I think you are kidding yourself.
WTF are you talking about? UCLA beat Arizona for the Pac 12 Tourney title with Alford. They have advanced to the round of 32 tomorrow. I think they are playing well and Alford is doing a good job.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 22, 2014, 08:43:31 AM
Given that we are going to continue playing in a mid-major conference I'm not sure that the future is real bright.
We might get a better coach but we aren't going to get better conference competition.
Mid major conference that we finished 6th in*
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2014, 10:47:11 AM
I can honestly say I have never read those words in the same sentence.
Dukiet was a helluva nice guy. I don't anybody ever said otherwise.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Broeker, not Cords.
I don't think so. When Crean was hired there were many people involved. MU was taking a big step to get things right, put resources against the program, etc. I would be stunned if they let Broeker make this hire. He would be involved, but this hire is not going to be one man's decision in my opinion. It will be a number of people, a consensus selection like it was for Crean.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 22, 2014, 07:05:41 PM
WTF are you talking about? UCLA beat Arizona for the Pac 12 Tourney title with Alford. They have advanced to the round of 32 tomorrow. I think they are playing well and Alford is doing a good job.
I don't disagree, but the players making it happen are the same ones that won the PAC 12 last year...that Howland recruited. Read the whole post.
Considering how his tenure at UCLA ended, I think Ben Howland will have some things to prove and will be plenty motivated. Also, in an interview with Seth Davis last fall he said he would play a more up-tempo style the next place he goes. His name has been linked to other schools (Wake Forest, Boston College) but I get the sense he's giving Marquette the first place in line to hire him.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 22, 2014, 07:05:41 PM
WTF are you talking about? UCLA beat Arizona for the Pac 12 Tourney title with Alford. They have advanced to the round of 32 tomorrow. I think they are playing well and Alford is doing a good job.
A couple of things, of UCLA's top 7 players, 6 are Howland guys. They did win the Pac 12 conference last season. This year they did not, but won the Pac 12 tourney.
Also, Jordan Adams broke his foot toward the end of last year, he's the best player on the team and having him healthy this year is a big reason why they are where they are.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 11:10:43 AM
The last guy that went to a Final Four at MU had a prickly personality, much like Ben's.
The last guy to lead Marquette to a Final Four is a very personable gent. I understand he is rather well liked in Miami.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2014, 12:49:55 AM
A couple of things, of UCLA's top 7 players, 6 are Howland guys. They did win the Pac 12 conference last season. This year they did not, but won the Pac 12 tourney.
Also, Jordan Adams broke his foot toward the end of last year, he's the best player on the team and having him healthy this year is a big reason why they are where they are.
Imagine. Jordan Adams broken foot leading to Marquette's next Final Four. Kevin Bacon is in there somewhere.