That should tell us pretty clearly the big donors were happy he left.
I think my "sources" post all night have been saying exactly this.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 21, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
That should tell us pretty clearly the big donors were happy he left.
I'm not denying, but it would be interesting to know how you know this was the case.
Hence Buzz playing the guys he played this year.
Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 10:00:13 PM
Hence Buzz playing the guys he played this year.
Goose, you're close to the program ... are you saying Buzz tanked the season on purpose?
Did not tank, but made a point IMO.
and the wildcard in all of this is if there is still more to the story as far as wrongdoings, etc. who knows, probably hear more as the months go on
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 10:02:32 PM
Did not tank, but made a point IMO.
If this is true and I have no reason to believe it isn't....Buzz is a bigger tool than I originally thought.
What exactly were they suppose to do as an effort to keep him.
MU is the better job, was paying more money and had far more resources.
When you have a job offer from a lesser company and you expect a raise from your current boss, because of it, you need to expect the don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
QuoteMarquette made no effort to keep Williams this time
fify. Members of the administration, the Board, and boosters have bent over backwards to accommodate Buzz over the years in an effort to keep him around, made some big time calls, provided resources, given him leeway. Just too many imagined slights, boogeymen, and not enough pampering and poetry written about him to keep up this time.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 21, 2014, 10:06:11 PM
If this is true and I have no reason to believe it isn't....Buzz is a bigger tool than I originally thought.
What other explanation is there for his beyond stubborn insistence to continue to trot out the same ineffective backcourt over and over and over....and relegate his talented freshman to the bench...I mean Burton sitting the last 7 minutes of the Xavier game?? WTF?
But as Hunt wrote...Buzz began to question his rotations/coaching strategy/etc...think he was just totally lost this season...doubled down on the vets, and that vets would eventually right the ship....and when it didn't happen...he couldn't save face..
Was also odd in one of the Hunt articles, an assistant coach (think Wainwright) was quoted as telling Todd that he needed to go to Buzz to ask for more consistent playing time/less jerking around/yanked in and out..
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2014, 09:59:31 PM
I'm not denying, but it would be interesting to know how you know this was the case.
Very close friend is a fairly large donor to Blue & Gold Fund and is privy to a few tidbits. Bill Cords was not interested in offering additional incentives to Williams. I think he hinted Buzz screwed the pooch with this move
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 10:02:32 PM
Did not tank, but made a point IMO.
What was the point other then Buzz showing us he failed to recruit well enough?
I am not one to play the I have a secret game but I heard this am that there was going to be some news regarding BW. Since I was asked to keep it to myself I posted that BW was all about BW and would take care of himself first. What I was told is that BW was not especially welcome to stay at MU. That is all I know, which isn't much, but the salient point is that BW had worn out his welcome. AMF.
Golden
Buzz spoiled us and it is hard to do. If he and school had issue it is easy for him to make a point. He played subpar guys and it showed. He can recruit and get studs but maybe not guys school wants.
I had heard a fair amount of displeasure among all parties over the past two months, but passed it off as the usual campus rumors during a down season. Now, I really want to know what happened.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 10:21:45 PM
Golden
Buzz spoiled us and it is hard to do. If he and school had issue it is easy for him to make a point. He played subpar guys and it showed. He can recruit and get studs but maybe not guys school wants.
That seems to me to so totally selfish that I can't believe he played subpar guys on purpose to prove a point? If that's so, than everything he said about loving Chris Otule, D Wilson, Gardner, Juan, etc... is a load of carp, as he would have purposely denied them the best opportunity for success. Just too far fetched to be believable.
A well placed friend who knows my username texted me that my assumptions on here were "mostly right" about Marquette opening the door and watching Buzz walk out it. He would not elaborate other than to tell me I'm too old to spend this much time on a bball message board.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 10:29:56 PM
A well placed friend who knows my username texted me that my assumptions on here were "mostly right" about Marquette opening the door and watching Buzz walk out it. He would not elaborate other than to tell me I'm too old to spend this much time on a bball message board.
Why did Buzz take a crappy job for less money? Surely he could have done better.
Quote from: chapman on March 21, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
fify. Members of the administration, the Board, and boosters have bent over backwards to accommodate Buzz over the years in an effort to keep him around, made some big time calls, provided resources, given him leeway. Just too many imagined slights, boogeymen, and not enough pampering and poetry written about him to keep up this time.
If they only would have agreed to a statute next to Al's
Crean sucks
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 10:37:44 PM
Crean sucks
Yea, I hate Tanned Tommy a lot more because he is a jerk. BW is just a weird f uck.
Quote from: Norm on March 21, 2014, 10:29:32 PM
That seems to me to so totally selfish that I can't believe he played subpar guys on purpose to prove a point? If that's so, than everything he said about loving Chris Otule, D Wilson, Gardner, Juan, etc... is a load of carp, as he would have purposely denied them the best opportunity for success. Just too far fetched to be believable.
I thought it was telling that the only senior to even mention Buzz at Senior Day was Chris. The others never said a word. Maybe they knew he had sucked this season.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2014, 10:33:40 PM
If they only would have agreed to a statute next to Al's
Replacing the jersey patch would have placated him for another year.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 10:02:32 PM
Did not tank, but made a point IMO.
If that is true, they should have fired him during the season. I find it hard to believe he was trying to prove a point on this, but if so he is quite the piece of work.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 10:53:12 PM
If that is true, they should have fired him during the season. I find it hard to believe he was trying to prove a point on this, but if so he is quite the piece of work.
Absolutely no way he threw the season
a) We would have fired him mid-season
b) He would have played Juan Anderson more than he did. I know that sounds mean, but it's true.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 10:56:56 PM
Absolutely no way he threw the season
a) We would have fired him mid-season
b) He would have played Juan Anderson more than he did. I know that sounds mean, but it's true.
And my first laugh of the night, although I know that wasn't what you were going for.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
Goose, you're close to the program ... are you saying Buzz tanked the season on purpose?
One thing we've learned in the past few hours: Those "close to the program" are a bunch of morons. we would have been better off paying attention to Mike Hunt and the usual speculators on the internet.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 10:39:40 PM
Yea, I hate Tanned Tommy a lot more because he is a jerk. BW is just a weird f uck.
Years ago when we hired Buzz one of my best friends who is an Athletic Director at a DI school and knows Buzz told me "I'm surprised you hired him. Good coach, but a weird f uck". I kid you not
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 11:15:26 PM
Years ago when we hired Buzz one of my best friends who is an Athletic Director at a DI school and knows Buzz told me "I'm surprised you hired him. Good coach, but a weird f uck". I kid you not
Why didn't you tell us this a long time ago?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 11:15:26 PM
Years ago when we hired Buzz one of my best friends who is an Athletic Director at a DI school and knows Buzz told me "I'm surprised you hired him. Good coach, but a weird f uck". I kid you not
Telling comment from UNO board after buzz quit on them. And he played the victim there too, complaining he was given enough of everything:
"His main problem is the X's and O's. Buzz had a veteran team and still only won 14 games. His gameplan at UNO was use five people, sub rarely, and complain about lack of players at the end of the game. This was the Sun Belt, not the SEC.
Our bench was more than capable of winning some games for us with the teams we faced."
Very much the way a lot of us felt this year.
Of course Buzz was shocked MU hired him. He came out of nowhere and won the lottery. Hats off to him.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 21, 2014, 11:16:21 PM
Why didn't you tell us this a long time ago?
I think Chico's hinted at it but lots of people were sippin' the koolaid and lovin' the Buzz
Quote from: Mutaman on March 21, 2014, 11:16:21 PM
Why didn't you tell us this a long time ago?
Oh, I'm pretty sure I did.....and got arse raped by some here for saying it. It's not what is said, but who says the what.
Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 11:24:04 PM
Telling comment from UNO board after buzz quit on them. And he played the victim there too, complaining he was given enough of everything:
"His main problem is the X's and O's. Buzz had a veteran team and still only won 14 games. His gameplan at UNO was use five people, sub rarely, and complain about lack of players at the end of the game. This was the Sun Belt, not the SEC. Our bench was more than capable of winning some games for us with the teams we faced."
Very much the way a lot of us felt this year.
What's strange about this is I remember him lauding Missouri's good team in 08-09 that beat our squad that used a version of Nolan Richardson's old '40 Minutes of Hell' gameplan, based on depth and running opponents into submission. Seems odd that he mentions that as his ideal vision of a team, yet shows occasional issues of not wanting to use his bench or at least the young, unproven bench players even when nothing else is working.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 01:09:23 AM
Oh, I'm pretty sure I did.....and got arse raped by some here for saying it. It's not what is said, but who says the what.
Chicos, I respect a lot of what you say. But you don't need to use rape to get your point across. Not funny
+1 you are a MU grad - be better than that
Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 11:24:04 PM
Telling comment from UNO board after buzz quit on them. And he played the victim there too, complaining he was given enough of everything:
"His main problem is the X's and O's. Buzz had a veteran team and still only won 14 games. His gameplan at UNO was use five people, sub rarely, and complain about lack of players at the end of the game. This was the Sun Belt, not the SEC. Our bench was more than capable of winning some games for us with the teams we faced."
Very much the way a lot of us felt this year.
Careful, bringing up comments from UNO posters will have you labeled here for 6 years....it's not what is said here, it is WHO says the what
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2014, 05:00:06 AM
Chicos, I respect a lot of what you say. But you don't need to use rape to get your point across. Not funny
My apologies.
How many years before this exact same thread shows up on the VT boards?
Whether it's something sinister or just that he wore out his welcome here buzz just doesn't stay anywhere very long in general. I don't see VT being in his long term plans.
"When I was losing, they called me nuts. When I was winning they called me eccentric." I feel this quote sums it up.
I totally forgot about the lack of mentions in senior day, but I remember that being strange while watching. This just seems like a very weird situation. Out of all the jobs his name has been tied to over the years, this is one of the worst ones.
Quote from: dinger on March 22, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
How many years before this exact same thread shows up on the VT boards?
Whether it's something sinister or just that he wore out his welcome here buzz just doesn't stay anywhere very long in general. I don't see VT being in his long term plans.
How many years did it take the IU boards to sound like the MU boards?
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 10:39:40 PM
Yea, I hate Tanned Tommy a lot more because he is a jerk. BW is just a weird f uck.
BW was a strange dude.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 22, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
How many years did it take the IU boards to sound like the MU boards?
With Marquette fans over there posing at IU fans early on, not that long.
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2014, 10:12:02 PM
What other explanation is there for his beyond stubborn insistence to continue to trot out the same ineffective backcourt over and over and over....and relegate his talented freshman to the bench...I mean Burton sitting the last 7 minutes of the Xavier game?? WTF?
But as Hunt wrote...Buzz began to question his rotations/coaching strategy/etc...think he was just totally lost this season...doubled down on the vets, and that vets would eventually right the ship....and when it didn't happen...he couldn't save face..
Was also odd in one of the Hunt articles, an assistant coach (think Wainwright) was quoted as telling Todd that he needed to go to Buzz to ask for more consistent playing time/less jerking around/yanked in and out..
You really think that a coach would tank a season?
That is beyond crazy thinking.
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 21, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
I think Chico's hinted at it but lots of people were sippin' the koolaid and lovin' the Buzz
Hinted with a lot of speculation, innuendo and opinion. Very little in the way of facts.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 22, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
Hinted with a lot of speculation, innuendo and opinion. Very little in the way of facts.
Plenty of facts. I know two of the moderators over there. Easy for them to know based on where people are coming from where they signed up originally, etc. Actually, plenty of facts.
Anything else?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 22, 2014, 12:53:31 PM
You really think that a coach would tank a season?
That is beyond crazy thinking.
I should qualify that inference...connect the dots: I find it odd that Buzz had it worked into his contract that if the A.D., were to leave, his buyout would be reduced to 100k from $2M. Particularly, when there is a rift with said A.D. Perhaps the buyout is what gave pause to other schools in the past from moving forward with Buzz.
Now, fast forward...Larry gets axed or leaves...door is wide open for Buzz...his team GREATLY underperforms expectations...for first time in his MU tenure...fanbase becomes critical...he hears the complaints, comments on being disappointed in hearing boos at Bradley Center...odd rotations, odd benchings, team falls flat on its face...no mentions from any of the seniors other than Otule thanking Buzz on senior day...and now you have a scenario where "they (fanbase) no longer wanted me."
Quote from: chapman on March 21, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
fify. Members of the administration, the Board, and boosters have bent over backwards to accommodate Buzz over the years in an effort to keep him around, made some big time calls, provided resources, given him leeway. Just too many imagined slights, boogeymen, and not enough pampering and poetry written about him to keep up this time.
This was mostly true on Thursday. This became very true on Friday. Apparently enough was enough, called his bluff. Bye, bye.