First, as for Buzz I thank him for his service. If additional information comes to light, my thoughts and opinions may change on his time at MU and his departure, but what I know is that he appears to be a man of strong faith, a caring man, and a driving force in the program's recent success.
Coaching changes happen all the time and for various reasons. There's not always a burning building or buried bodies involved.
Now, just thinking of Minnesota's coaching search last season.. and there are a couple of names that came up that may be applicable to MU's search. I would point out that money is likely not going to be an issue (in terms of compensation package or buyouts, with some exceptions - i.e., some guys like Crean, Pastner, Alford have enormous... but most are manageable). In addition, MU as an institution has shown commitment to spend on the program and I believe will continue to do so. Our history with private jets and how we operate is going to be a draw for some people.
I'd rather not get into rumors, who makes the most sense, etc. as it relates to MU's (or anyone's) search, but since this was already written last year... and there is some relevance...
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Shaka Smart - Shaka Smart & the Minnesota Golden Gophers (http://latenighthoops.com/shaka-mn-carousel/#.Uyzui_ldVPJ)
The link above discusses one topic re: Smart that could* come into play. Now, I think he's very pleased to be in Richmond coaching, but... every year it seems the traditional media loves to say VCU has 'locked him up' with a new deal.. but, in every single year at VCU, Smart has worked under a new contract. The money he's making there is on the low side for his resume. From a negotiation standpoint, he could command more in the marketplace than VCU has adjusted him to. That can always change, but the yearly contract changes have not resulted in an adjustment that brings him to 'market'. I think this speaks to his enjoyment of his current situation.
Also, a basketball practice facility is needed and has been long rumored at VCU. Still, there has been nothing built. At some point does this become a bigger issue? Perhaps, but probably not as the school recently changed course by deciding to use student fees to help fund the desired project.
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Ben Howland - Battle of the Buyouts: UCLA vs. Minnesota (http://latenighthoops.com/ucla-buyout/#.Uyzv5fldVPI)
As described in the link above, Howland would have effectively lost $2.3MM of "free money" by getting a job last spring. Indications have been he's ready to get back into a head gig now, so the timing works. He's an interesting character... and you'll see a lot of attacks in stories from the left coast over the past several years, but much of that is due to UCLA being a tough job (from a PR & fan relations standpoint). He has enjoyed enviable success with his teams in the past.
He'll turn 57 years old in May... and so what? The idea of a younger coach who potentially has decades of coaching left in his future is attractive to some, but the idea that a younger coach is likely stay at one job for decades is unreasonable.
The timing is right and Howland is certainly someone I'd think MU would take a long look at.
Playing snore ball is alright...hope he still has recruiting chops.
Not being able to get it done at UCLA and they gave him time. Multiple terrible years.
I'd like to take a couple shots at the young guys like Marshall or Smart than retirement Howland, feels too much like Tubby Smith.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 21, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
First, as for Buzz I thank him for his service. If additional information comes to light, my thoughts and opinions may change on his time at MU and his departure, but what I know is that he appears to be a man of strong faith, a caring man, and a driving force in the program's recent success.
Coaching changes happen all the time and for various reasons. There's not always a burning building or buried bodies involved.
Right on Jay Bee
Can we stop mentioning Shaka smart? He would be stupid to go to MU. He could coach any NBA team he wants.
Howland with Chew by his side doesn't seem like a bad setup at all.
Marshall or Smart will keep raising their ceiling.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
Playing snore ball is alright...hope he still has recruiting chops.
Not being able to get it done at UCLA and they gave him time. Multiple terrible years.
I'd like to take a couple shots at the young guys like Marshall or Smart than retirement Howland, feels too much like Tubby Smith.
Three final fours is not getting it done?
Sell it to Shaka, Wisconsin born, I don't know how he'd say no.
The HAVOC would look great with our boys in blue and gold.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 09:18:24 PM
Can we stop mentioning Shaka smart? He would be stupid to go to MU. He could coach any NBA team he wants.
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Is Danny Manning ready???
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 09:19:21 PM
Three final fours is not getting it done?
That was a decade ago...this is a "where are we now" business.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 09:18:24 PM
Can we stop mentioning Shaka smart? He would be stupid to go to MU. He could coach any NBA team he wants.
The NBA isn't even putting a telescope on Shaka Smart. Havoc in the NBA? Laughable.
It's been said by people in the know that Shaka would listen, but won't happen.
From what we watched unfold this season by the disinterested seniors and the 'style' of play,
Shaka bringing Havoc to Milwaukee would be absolutely amazing.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 09:18:24 PM
Can we stop mentioning Shaka smart? He would be stupid to go to MU. He could coach any NBA team he wants.
Pretty sure the Bulls won't be calling Shaka anytime soon
Though Coach Thibs would be welcome at MU.
That said, Shaka is holding out for Duke or UNC.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
Playing snore ball is alright...hope he still has recruiting chops.
Not being able to get it done at UCLA and they gave him time. Multiple terrible years.
I'd like to take a couple shots at the young guys like Marshall or Smart than retirement Howland, feels too much like Tubby Smith.
Marshall is 51
In recent years Shaka has turned down UCLA, Illinois and Minnesota among others. What makes people think he would consider Marquette?
Everyone here has ripped on all the other schools for having the audacity to think they could take Buzz, let's not live in a glass house.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 21, 2014, 09:26:29 PM
In recent years Shaka has turned down UCLA, Illinois and Minnesota among others. What makes people think he would consider Marquette?
Everyone here has ripped on all the other schools for having the audacity to think they could take Buzz, let's not live in a glass house.
He is from Wisconsin
1.) Marshall
2.) Howland
3.) Smart
4.) Masiello
5.) Chew
I'd be fine with any of those, in that order. Also open to other options as I don't know what else is out there. Bottom line is I want the best guy for the job, whoever that may be. I do not care about the hiring process, and I do not care about winning the press conference. Just get the best fit.
Quote from: noblewarrior on March 21, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
Right on Jay Bee
Couldn't agree more. Long time reader here. Reading this board has been interesting tonight. So many of us are most likely in corporate positions where this happens all the time. Yet when it happens at Marquette it is the end of the world. I enjoyed Buzz's reign. He may not have been the best in game coach, but he was an amazing motivator and leader. Lets embrace what he has done for us and move on. It is sickening to hear MU graduates question a person's character when he has impacted SOOO many families in the Milwaukee area. Duane is back. Deonte is back. Can't wait till next year.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 09:27:17 PM
He is from Wisconsin
So what? He coaches at VCU. Stop. It's embarrassing we even suggest he would consider Mu.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 21, 2014, 09:26:29 PM
In recent years Shaka has turned down UCLA, Illinois and Minnesota among others. What makes people think he would consider Marquette?
Everyone here has ripped on all the other schools for having the audacity to think they could take Buzz, let's not live in a glass house.
I don't know if there's any chance in hell Shaka would come to Marquette...but just the idea of his HAVOC style of play on the Bradley Center floor has me cheering loudly for SF Austin right now!!! Let's go Lumberjacks!!!!
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
That was a decade ago...this is a "where are we now" business.
2008 was a decade ago? Hell, he won the Pac 12 regular season title last year and got ripped on more than hypersensitive Buzz did this year, when we were all willing to give a mulligan on a 17-15 year (just not a cake, medal, and raise).
Shaka can be contacted now.
His VCU team pulled an MU. They fouled on a 3 point shot and SFA free throw made with 3.6 seconds left. Four point play, tie game. Goes to OT and VCU falls. Great game.
Shaka's team not so smart tonight....seen that a bit too much the last few years.
Back up the Brinks!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 09:40:45 PM
Shaka's team not so smart tonight....seen that a bit too much the last few years.
Yes. I think he would bring early excitement and it would be interesting to see how well he could recruit in the area ("area" including Chicago). Wins/losses/tourney success? Not sure.
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One thing for all to remember - the numbers you may have heard tonight and will hear in the near future are mostly wrong. When someone says, "MU spends double on its bball program compared to VT" and they're citing Knight Commission figures, understand the numbers are not comparable and subject to different allocation methods (and unallocated amounts). It's not a valid comparison and stupid to "report on".
Also, the $4MM is completely unfounded. His $2.8MM for the year ended 6/2012 included a one-time bonus. I am not going to speak on 6/2013 at this time, but I will say this: there isn't a meaningful change in comp for Buzz relative to this move. He's not taking some dramatic pay cut and he's not getting a big boost.
You will hear plenty of nonsense in the days and weeks to come. Beware.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 21, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Also, a basketball practice facility is needed and has been long rumored at VCU. Still, there has been nothing built. At some point does this become a bigger issue? Perhaps.
I know this is nitpicking one part of your post but I wanted to make one point (I went into more depth about Shaka in the poll thread).
We just announced our $25 million practice facility a few weeks ago:
http://www.vcuramnation.com/2014/03/video-vcu-announces-25-million-practice-facility/
Shaka was pushing for this like hell. It's going to completely change things down here. I'm excited because I know what the Al did for Marquette.
Hey Chicos,
You are probably the closest one of us to the UCLA program. What do you think of Howland? I'm not a fan of snore ball, but he seems to know how to get recruits. I heard a lot of rumors about players not wanting to play his style.
Care to weigh in?
Quote from: Wisco on March 22, 2014, 12:48:09 AM
I know this is nitpicking one part of your post but I wanted to make one point (I went into more depth about Shaka in the poll thread).
We just announced our $25 million practice facility a few weeks ago:
http://www.vcuramnation.com/2014/03/video-vcu-announces-25-million-practice-facility/
Shaka was pushing for this like hell. It's going to completely change things down here. I'm excited because I know what the Al did for Marquette.
That's not nitpicking at all - thank you for that reminder; I've updated the orig post. Sounded like there was some of the typical complaining from a portion of the students due to the move away from "private funds only", but that shouldn't stop them.
Buzz 2011 - S16 ......................... Shaka 2011 - F4
Buzz 2012 - S16 ......................... Shaka 2012 - 2R loss to IU by 2 pts
Buzz 2013 - E8 ........................... Shaka 2013 - 2R loss to Mich by 25
Buzz 2014 - No tourney ................ Shaka 2014 - 1R loss to S.F. Austin
To Buzz, we say: Good riddance, loser!
To Shaka, we say: Please, come save us!
Interesting.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2014, 05:32:08 AM
To Buzz, we say: Good riddance, loser!
To Shaka, we say: Please, come save us!
Interesting.
The two situations are not comparable (I've been following both for years).
You must understand where we came from here at VCU. We epitomized mid-major. Win our conference tourney every few years, knock off a major program in the tourney, garner attention. We hit a grand slam with Shaka. Got very, very lucky.
I suppose Marquette was in a similar situation during certain years of the 80's/90's. The key difference, though, is that Marquette has a rich history and winning tradition. VCU had a few decent years in the early 80's; outside of that, nothing.
And I haven't even touched on endowment, alumni support, basketball funding, facilities, etc. My point is that what Shaka has done with the resources he was given to begin with is nothing short of a minor miracle.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2014, 05:32:08 AM
Buzz 2011 - S16 ......................... Shaka 2011 - F4
Buzz 2012 - S16 ......................... Shaka 2012 - 2R loss to IU by 2 pts
Buzz 2013 - E8 ........................... Shaka 2013 - 2R loss to Mich by 25
Buzz 2014 - No tourney ................ Shaka 2014 - 1R loss to S.F. Austin
To Buzz, we say: Good riddance, loser!
To Shaka, we say: Please, come save us!
Interesting.
There's a difference: Buzz signed with VT. He didn't get fired though that's the speculation.
So, your position can only be true if MU pushed Buzz out.