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Buzz Williams stunningly leaves Marquette for Virginia Tech
http://college-basketball.si.com/2014/03/21/buzz-williams-stunningly-leaves-marquette-for-virginia-tech/?eref=sihp
He gets a seven-year contract that ESPN reported is worth $18 million, and he leaves behind a rolling contract at Marquette that, according to a source with direct knowledge of the deal, would have been paying him in excess of $4 million within the next two seasons. That is football coach money at a school with a major commitment to being good at basketball.
Lets hope that when the door hit his ass he didn't leave behind any turds that leave us with probation issues or lost scholarships.
Perhaps Buzz Williams feels this is a better job for him. I'm not defending him mind you, but there are other things besides a contract. Maybe he doesn't feel he can accomplish his goals at Marquette.
Interesting that Hamilton posits that Buzz didn't want to deal with mounting expectations.
When I wrote earlier today that Buzz was looking at VTech as a "no pressure, low expectations" work environment, I was laughed off the stage by my fellow MU fans.
It's an easy answer. Sometimes people like the easy road...fewer expectations, less work, good $. It's really hard to believe that Buzz didn't have the chutzpah to stick with Quette. Strange dude...
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 08:24:29 PM
Perhaps Buzz Williams feels this is a better job for him. I'm not defending him mind you, but there are other things besides a contract. Maybe he doesn't feel he can accomplish his goals at Marquette.
And he will at VT? Check their record and history please,
HE took what he could to get out of town quickly and MU did little to nothing to stop him.
He was asked or "encouraged" to do this.
Great to see an article that juxtaposes the two programs.
I know I'm a broken record by now, but this is a quit/fire. Buzz wasn't welcome anymore so he left. As Buzz always said, he would be the head coach of Marquette for as long as Marquette would have him. And, apparently, that was that.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
And he will at VT? Check their record and history please,
HE took what he could to get out of town quickly and MU did little to nothing to stop him.
He was asked or "encouraged" to do this.
As of this moment everything you've written is pure speculation and conjecture on your part. Other speculative posts you've posted today have been denied by a member of the university publicly on this forum.
Accept reality for what it is: you cannot comprehend why a coach would leave Marquette for Virginia Tech. Stop implying something else is at play when so far your sources have been proven less than credible.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 08:45:51 PM
As of this moment everything you've written is pure speculation and conjecture on your part. Other speculative posts you've posted today have been denied by a member of the university publicly on this forum.
Accept reality for what it is: you cannot comprehend why a coach would leave Marquette for Virginia Tech. Stop implying something else is at play when so far your sources have been proven less than credible.
You're correct, I don't know why someone takes a job that everyone says is a step down for 40% less money. For crying out loud, Mike Hunt hates MU and would love to stick it to them and he called VT A Dead-End Job." Rational people do not voluntarily do this.
I understood Crean to IU. I understood Brad Stevens leaving Butler to the Celtics.
This says Buzz has lost his mind or was "encouraged" to leave. You think the former, I think the latter.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 08:45:51 PM
As of this moment everything you've written is pure speculation and conjecture on your part. Other speculative posts you've posted today have been denied by a member of the university publicly on this forum.
Accept reality for what it is: you cannot comprehend why a coach would leave Marquette for Virginia Tech. Stop implying something else is at play when so far your sources have been proven less than credible.
Agree. Buzz was not "fired"
Contract information is regularly misreported.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 21, 2014, 08:50:50 PM
Contract information is regularly misreported.
Since you know it is wrong, what are the right numbers? Are the VT numbers wrong too?
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 21, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
Agree. Buzz was not "fired"
You honestly think everything was fine and dandy at the AL and Buzz woke up and said, "I want to coach a bottom rung ACC afterthought"?
Buzz may not have been thrown out the door, but he sure seems to have been shown the door.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
You honestly think everything was fine and dandy at the AL and Buzz woke up and said, "I want to coach a bottom rung ACC afterthought"?
Buzz may not have been thrown out the door, but he sure seems to have been shown the door.
What looks worse for the program?
1. Buzz Williams leaves Marquette for Virginia Tech (a bottum rung ACC afterthought)
2. Marquette fires coach Williams after unsuccessful season (a top 10 highest paid coach with tremendous resources)
If Marquette really did dismiss him, it's rediculous that they wouldn't control the PR that was sure to follow this decision. If the program really is more important than the coach, there's no way they allow their 'dismissed' coach to comment about the league not being the same to major sports outlets and the greater opportunity that the ACC offers. Think about it for a minute. If MU really wanted him gone it looks much better to fire him for whatever reason and hire a new coach.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
What looks worse for the program?
1. Buzz Williams leaves Marquette for Virginia Tech (a bottum rung ACC afterthought)
2. Marquette fires coach Williams after unsuccessful season (a top 10 highest paid coach with tremendous resources)
If Marquette really did dismiss him, it's rediculous that they wouldn't control the PR that was sure to follow this decision. If the program really is more important than the coach, there's no way they allow their 'dismissed' coach to comment about the league not being the same to major sports outlets and the greater opportunity that the ACC offers. Think about it for a minute. If MU really wanted him gone it looks much better to fire him for whatever reason and hire a new coach.
Unless they have a new coach in mind and hire Howland Monday and he gushes about MU and the BE and how he expects final fours. If so, all this becomes a trivia question.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
Unless they have a new coach in mind and hire Howland Monday and he gushes about MU and the BE and how he expects final fours. If so, all this becomes a trivia question.
Too many loose ends to be trivial. If Buzz was asked to leave at some point it gets out. He'd probably use his 'aw shucks' schtick explaining his side of the story.
You're giving too much credit to Buzz. Maybe he isn't that smart.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
What looks worse for the program?
1. Buzz Williams leaves Marquette for Virginia Tech (a bottum rung ACC afterthought)
2. Marquette fires coach Williams after unsuccessful season (a top 10 highest paid coach with tremendous resources)
If Marquette really did dismiss him, it's rediculous that they wouldn't control the PR that was sure to follow this decision. If the program really is more important than the coach, there's no way they allow their 'dismissed' coach to comment about the league not being the same to major sports outlets and the greater opportunity that the ACC offers. Think about it for a minute. If MU really wanted him gone it looks much better to fire him for whatever reason and hire a new coach.
This. Marquette's official statement is this:
"We sincerely appreciate the contributions Buzz has made to Marquette University, both on and off the court. During his six-year tenure, he helped elevate the program to one of the most successful in the BIG EAST Conference. We wish him and his family nothing but the best in the future.
"We have already begun a search for our next head coach. The dedicated commitment in support of, and investment in, its men's basketball program gives us a great foundation to be consistently successful and we look forward to finding the right person who will make us stronger in the future."
Bill Cords
Interim Vice President & Director of Athletics
Marquette University
Buzz has presumably used back channel sources to convey that the Big East sucks and he needed to move on to compete with the big boys.
If MU had the ball in their court, they wouldn't have played it this way.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
What looks worse for the program?
1. Buzz Williams leaves Marquette for Virginia Tech (a bottum rung ACC afterthought)
2. Marquette fires coach Williams after unsuccessful season (a top 10 highest paid coach with tremendous resources)
If Marquette really did dismiss him, it's rediculous that they wouldn't control the PR that was sure to follow this decision. If the program really is more important than the coach, there's no way they allow their 'dismissed' coach to comment about the league not being the same to major sports outlets and the greater opportunity that the ACC offers. Think about it for a minute. If MU really wanted him gone it looks much better to fire him for whatever reason and hire a new coach.
I don't disagree with you. My point is that this was probably a "quit/fire" where both parties got sick of each other and both got tired of it. So Buzz wasn't really welcome anymore and he (understandably to a degree) bolted and Marquette didn't stand in his way.
This makes far more sense than Buzz going to Va Tech for less money at a lesser program.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Too many loose ends to be trivial. If Buzz was asked to leave at some point it gets out. He'd probably use his 'aw shucks' schtick explaining his side of the story.
You're giving too much credit to Buzz. Maybe he isn't that smart.
He took a pay cut for a dead end job. Or, at best equal money for a dead end job.
And regarding be asked to leave? Have you been asked to leave? Have you asked someone to leave? I've been on both ends of this. You never say "please leave." You do things to "drop the message" Now let's quote what Hunt said:
A terrific coach, Williams is a peculiar man who needs constant love and attention. After his first bad season in six years at Marquette, a 17-15 record and no postseason tournament, Williams apparently did not find the adoration that came with taking the Golden Eagles to three Sweet 16 appearances in three years.This sounds a lot like the way you subtly tell someone to leave.
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on March 21, 2014, 09:22:50 PM
This. Marquette's official statement is this:
"We sincerely appreciate the contributions Buzz has made to Marquette University, both on and off the court. During his six-year tenure, he helped elevate the program to one of the most successful in the BIG EAST Conference. We wish him and his family nothing but the best in the future.
"We have already begun a search for our next head coach. The dedicated commitment in support of, and investment in, its men's basketball program gives us a great foundation to be consistently successful and we look forward to finding the right person who will make us stronger in the future."
Bill Cords
Interim Vice President & Director of Athletics
Marquette University
Buzz has presumably used back channel sources to convey that the Big East sucks and he needed to move on to compete with the big boys.
If MU had the ball in their court, they wouldn't have played it this way.
I read that as Marquette taking the high road.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 09:24:53 PM
He took a pay cut for a dead end job. Or, at best equal money for a dead end job.
And regarding be asked to leave? Have you been asked to leave? Have you asked someone to leave? I've been on both ends of this. You never say "please leave." You do things to "drop the message" Now let's quote what Hunt said:
A terrific coach, Williams is a peculiar man who needs constant love and attention. After his first bad season in six years at Marquette, a 17-15 record and no postseason tournament, Williams apparently did not find the adoration that came with taking the Golden Eagles to three Sweet 16 appearances in three years.
This sounds a lot like the way you subtle tell someone to leave.
To give less adoration to your coach who misses the NIT this season compared to going to the three years straight he went to the sweet 16 is not a subtle way to ask someone to leave. It's normal human behavior and reaction to sub par results. You're seriously reading too much into this.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
To give less adoration to your coach who misses the NIT this season compared to going to the three years straight he went to the sweet 16 is not a subtle way to ask someone to leave. It's normal human behavior and reaction to sub par results. You're seriously reading too much into this.
I'm not reading too much into it ... Hunt cited it as a reason he left. So you know Buzz better than Hunt and you think he's wrong?
And I'm thinking Buzz thought it was more than just "less adoration" and the MU brass intended it as more than "less adoration." Because if this is why he left, how is going to feel when his 5 - 11 team just lost again at home in front of 3600 fans and he's blasted the next day in the press?
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
I read that as Marquette taking the high road.
I get that. My point was that if there was some internal investigation and that they had concluded that Buzz had done wrong, they wouldn't have been so complementary in their good bye.
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on March 21, 2014, 09:39:36 PM
I get that. My point was that if there was some internal investigation and that they had concluded that Buzz had done wrong, they wouldn't have been so complementary in their good bye.
I don't buy into any big conspiracy about investigations or whatever. This is just one of those "time for a change" scenarios.
It could be that the only winner in this is VA Tech. Marquette loses a great coach. Buzz loses his legacy and a great program.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:48:42 PM
I don't buy into any big conspiracy about investigations or whatever. This is just one of those "time for a change" scenarios.
It could be that the only winner in this is VA Tech. Marquette loses a great coach. Buzz loses his legacy and a great program.
Yep, that's what I'm reading into it. We broke up.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:48:42 PM
I don't buy into any big conspiracy about investigations or whatever. This is just one of those "time for a change" scenarios.
It could be that the only winner in this is VA Tech. Marquette loses a great coach. Buzz loses his legacy and a great program.
For now
Johnson lasted two years before he was fired. Buzz is getting 300% more money. Next year is a pass, year 2 better show improvement.
He's is making too much money to get fired. If he thinks he had "less adoration" the last few weeks, wait until year three when the Hokies are fighting for 11th place in the ACC. Bobby Knight might find that "less adoration" unbearable.
If anybody here has an employee whose performance is less than expected don't they communicate their" disappointment"?
Quote from: elephantraker on March 21, 2014, 09:58:04 PM
If anybody here has an employee whose performance is less than expected don't they communicate their" disappointment"?
And doesn't the employee understand what that means? And if that employee characterizes it as being "fired," is that wrong?