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Title: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
Brian Wardle. Obviously the process hasn't even truly started yet, but it is what it is. Hopefully they do their research and get the right guy.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 79Warrior on March 21, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
Brian Wardle. Obviously the process hasn't even truly started yet, but it is what it is. Hopefully they do their research and get the right guy.

well, he is a Marquette guy and will not bolt.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2014, 05:22:48 PM
And how long should the process take!?!  I'm thinking someone they can announce at the late news tonight!
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 21, 2014, 05:27:23 PM
Jesus Christ. Wardle? You're kidding. If Howland wants the job we should give it to him.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 🏀 on March 21, 2014, 05:28:51 PM
I won't be upping my season tickets if Wardle is hired. It's that simple.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: mu72warrior on March 21, 2014, 05:29:40 PM
NO ?-(
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: NavinRJohnson on March 21, 2014, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 21, 2014, 05:27:23 PM
Jesus Christ. Wardle? You're kidding. If Howland wants the job we should give it to him.

Totally agree. If Howland wants in, he should be moving in, before Buzz has even cleaned out his desk.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
WTF has Wardle ever done? C'mon dudes, have some fooking self respect
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Big Papi on March 21, 2014, 05:31:52 PM
Should make a serious effort to get Shaka Smart.  I am not high on Howland but definitely better than Wardle.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Warrior3211 on March 21, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
How can anyone truly be on board with Howland or Wardle?

I think both are awful hires.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: ecompt on March 21, 2014, 05:33:05 PM
Get the Manhattan guy.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Blackhat on March 21, 2014, 05:33:48 PM
Wardle hasn't proven himself enough....don't get lazy MU.

Get that Miller kid from Dayton before Wardle.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 🏀 on March 21, 2014, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:33:48 PM
Wardle hasn't proven himself enough....don't get lazy MU.

Get that Miller kid from Dayton before Wardle.

Who's done nothing. Archie Miller is not welcome.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status. Big names aren't dying to come here. If thy were Buzz wouldn't be going to VT. Even saying that I don't think Wardle's the guy. Just the messenger.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Dish on March 21, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
If Ben Howland wants the job, sign him up RIGHT NOW. There is no better candidate MU could get.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 21, 2014, 05:36:36 PM
Well, if MU would really like to implode the entire program, they could just hire Wardle and get it done quickly.

Isaac Chew .. Shaka Smart .. Howland.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Warrior3211 on March 21, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
Per @GoodmanESPN: Here's an interesting name that will surface for Marquette, per source: Gregg Marshall.

His look just reminds me of Crean. Seems like a slimy guy though, but successful.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Windyplayer on March 21, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status.
WillieWarrior, if I may? Pass the shrooms.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Coleman on March 21, 2014, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
If Ben Howland wants the job, sign him up RIGHT NOW. There is no better candidate MU could get.

+1
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Marqus Howard on March 21, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status. Big names aren't dying to come here. If thy were Buzz wouldn't be going to VT. Even saying that I don't think Wardle's the guy. Just the messenger.

If Broeker is named AD, I think Wardle ends up the coach. I hope we can get Marshall or Shaka though.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 10:35:39 PM
Then bend over and kiss Broeker a kiss good bye also.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Class71 on March 21, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status. Big names aren't dying to come here. If thy were Buzz wouldn't be going to VT. Even saying that I don't think Wardle's the guy. Just the messenger.

You could no be more wrong. MU by all measures is a high major with a coach who may poor decisions this year.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: T-Bone on March 21, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
Can Wardle recruit at the upper levels?
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 21, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status. Big names aren't dying to come here. If thy were Buzz wouldn't be going to VT. Even saying that I don't think Wardle's the guy. Just the messenger.

Sleep on this post, I bet you'll feel better in the morning.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
Sure, upper level of Boston Store's parkin' garage.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: chapman on March 21, 2014, 10:43:35 PM
Six years ago, names on par with Howland, Marshall, and Smart were dropped as dream scenarios by posters here.  Today, they've all been dropped by credible reporters.  It would be a major disappointment this time if we settle for a Wardle, some mid-major coach with one good year, or unknown assistant.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: avid1010 on March 21, 2014, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
Let's be honest, we're nearing mid major status. Big names aren't dying to come here. If thy were Buzz wouldn't be going to VT. Even saying that I don't think Wardle's the guy. Just the messenger.

we spend more than anyone but duke...buzz was due to get close to 4 million...we play in an nba arena with great facilities and resources on campus...national champions...solid tourney success with ko, tc, and buzz...in a conference that had an awful year and was still pretty decent.  smart, marshall, howland in that order, but i'd be very happy with any of them.  
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: warriorstrack on March 21, 2014, 10:48:19 PM
Call the doctor
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: JerseyWarrior on March 21, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
If Broeker is named AD, I think Wardle ends up the coach. I hope we can get Marshall or Shaka though.

Then we are thinking small time.  I like Brian, but we can get Brian tomorrow, next week, next month.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on March 21, 2014, 11:06:23 PM
A Wardle hiring would confirm a mid major attitude.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: JustinLewisFanClubPres on March 21, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 10:59:25 PM
Then we are thinking small time.  I like Brian, but we can get Brian tomorrow, next week, next month.

I think this is correct. Brian Wardle should always be an option for Marquette. If I was Cords, I would give him a call and let him know that he isn't ready this job just yet but it doesn't mean he won't be in the future. Let him continue to develop as a coach. If you can get Howland, Wardle might be better groomed in a few years if Howland moves on.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2014, 02:51:41 AM
Quote from: MU7703 on March 21, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
I think this is correct. Brian Wardle should always be an option for Marquette. If I was Cords, I would give him a call and let him know that he isn't ready this job just yet but it doesn't mean he won't be in the future. Let him continue to develop as a coach. If you can get Howland, Wardle might be better groomed in a few years if Howland moves on.

+1

I think Wardle will eventually be the coach of Marquette. If he proves himself, we hire him without much fuss, and he would NEVER leave Marquette. He would be our Chris Mack.

However, I think hiring him right now is a mistake. We need a brand name coach to right the sheep and keep recruits from bolting. Smart (unlikely), Marshall (more likely than people realize), Howland in that order for me.

However, I think the OP is right in believing that Wardle is a top candidate. One of the toughest parts of having Buzz as a coach was the constant threat of him leaving. Admins are probably tired. Wardle would never leave.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: classof70 on March 22, 2014, 07:50:18 AM
Quote from: MU7703 on March 21, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
I think this is correct. Brian Wardle should always be an option for Marquette. If I was Cords, I would give him a call and let him know that he isn't ready this job just yet but it doesn't mean he won't be in the future. Let him continue to develop as a coach. If you can get Howland, Wardle might be better groomed in a few years if Howland moves on.

We hired Buzz and he had less experience than Wardle.   My real question is why is there such a strong reaction against Wardle?   Is there something he's done that makes him untouchable?  Didn't he recruit pretty well in Chicago?  Certainly, not the top prospects, but decent Chicago players.  Does he have connections in a city that is arguably the best high school basketball center in U. S. 
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: mutrainer71 on March 22, 2014, 07:52:47 AM
Jim Calhoun....BC doesn't want him...lets get him.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: hairy worthen on March 22, 2014, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: classof70 on March 22, 2014, 07:50:18 AM
We hired Buzz and he had less experience than Wardle.   My real question is why is there such a strong reaction against Wardle?   Is there something he's done that makes him untouchable?  Didn't he recruit pretty well in Chicago?  Certainly, not the top prospects, but decent Chicago players.  Does he have connections in a city that is arguably the best high school basketball center in U. S. 

If his name wasn't Wardle, he didn't go to MU and you didn't know him, would what he accomplished at GB warrant him being hired at MU?
No.

Would be a very bad mistake right now, maybe down the road, not now.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: TheFarEastMovement on March 22, 2014, 08:00:10 AM
To win on a consistent basis, we need a coach that can recuit. Buzz set the standards quite high and it will be tough to find a coach that is likely going to meet those standards. My list would be smart, amaker, masielo, wardle, lavall jordan from michigan, michael hopkins from cuse and kurtis townsend from kansas.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:08:06 AM
Wardle is not on anyone elses list so why would he be on ours? Did not hear mentioned for Auburn or VT and we are better program.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: TheTulsaWarrior on March 22, 2014, 08:09:30 AM
Thinking outside the box would Marquette consider a combination of Howland and Wardle?  The veteran head coach with an associate head coach.  Wardle is an underrated recruiter who has worked on a shoestring budget and his achievement under those circumstances should not be under valued.  He needs more grooming and Howland would be ideal for that.  I would also consider Chew for that kind of head coach in waiting role.

This approach is what SMU is doing with Larry Brown.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Knight Commission on March 22, 2014, 08:15:28 AM
KO on the bench to replace the undertaker, no matter who we bring in.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 08:23:28 AM
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:08:06 AM
Wardle is not on anyone elses list so why would he be on ours? Did not hear mentioned for Auburn or VT and we are better program.
Goose: what makes you think he was interested in VT or Auburn? He is a Midwest guy, a MU grad (think his wife is also), has several years D1 HC experience, and is a Midwest guy. Likely has ties in Illinois.

We could do worse. He played at a high level at MU. Maybe it is about time we hired a guy that actually has player's experience along with HC experience. The last two bozos had none/1 year experience.

Howland would be fine if we could get him. Would like to know more about what went down at UCLA.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:25:35 AM
Willie

I like how you love MU ball, but we are bigger than Wardle by a wide margin. Think big, you never know who you can land.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on March 22, 2014, 08:00:10 AM
To win on a consistent basis, we need a coach that can recuit. Buzz set the standards quite high and it will be tough to find a coach that is likely going to meet those standards. My list would be smart, amaker, masielo, wardle, lavall jordan from michigan, michael hopkins from cuse and kurtis townsend from kansas.
All would be good adds except Amaker who would be gone first big time opening comes available. Don't believe Smart could be had, although nobody really knows.

Howland or Wardle seem like best fit. But we should let the "experts" do the search and hiring. Hope they make this happen by end of next week, because players/recruits need to be solidified. Cords needs to start working extra hours. I am sure he will, realizing the importance. Urgency has already started.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:25:35 AM
Willie

I like how you love MU ball, but we are bigger than Wardle by a wide margin. Think big, you never know who you can land.
I am thinking big, but also the long picture. The longer we search, the harder it becomes to land the right guy. I said a week ago to some slurper's post that there may be many guys out there--we just do not know.
However, recruits and players need to be shored up quickly, so Cords must strike quickly. Load up the money/perk bag, contact the reps for the big names over next 3 days, and wrap up in 10 days. Just do not wait for a month.

Tell me this--what do you not like about Wardle's resume?
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 22, 2014, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 08:33:20 AM
I am thinking big, but also the long picture. The longer we search, the harder it becomes to land the right guy. I said a week ago to some slurper's post that there may be many guys out there--we just do not know.
However, recruits and players need to be shored up quickly, so Cords must strike quickly. Load up the money/perk bag, contact the reps for the big names over next 3 days, and wrap up in 10 days. Just do not wait for a month.

Tell me this--what do you not like about Wardle's resume?
Has Wardle ever even made the NCAA tournament? Why not hire Brian Barone? Or Tony Miller?

Being a former MU Warrior should not be a consideration IMO.
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: classof70 on March 22, 2014, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:25:35 AM
Willie

I like how you love MU ball, but we are bigger than Wardle by a wide margin. Think big, you never know who you can land.
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Goose:  Look I don't claim to be an expert on Wardle or his recruiting or coaching acumen, but with that caveat, I just don't see why he's so easily dismissed while Howland, fired at UCLA, or assistant coaches of whom none of us know their recruiting or coaching skills, are under consideration.   Moreover, both Crean and Williams, setting aside their departure methods, were great hires with little or no experience as a head coach.  Why weren't "we bigger" than Williams, who turned out, at least from a record perspective, pretty well.    Now, I'd be fine with Howland or several of the mentioned head and assistant coaches, but I think there should be an objective reason for dismissing Wardle, especially given his experience as a head coach and winning in WGB.  Is there something about his experience that disqualifies him?  I'd love to see an MU guy back--he'd stay.  
Title: Re: The Early Leader Out of the Gates...
Post by: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Neither have HC experience. Did Crean or El Buzzo ever make the NCAA tournament before their hire? No. Did McGuire? Did Majerus--did Raymonds? Did O"neil? And Green Bay should have made it this year. By the way, they beat us a couple years ago, so why write the guy off.

I am not saying Wardle is best--not sure who would be, but he would be a good fit
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