Buzz to V. Tech.
It's true. He is desperate.
http://chat.virginiatech.sportswar.com/message_board/vtbasketball/2014/March/18/20157.php
That's silly, Virginia Tech doesn't even have a basketball team. :D
According to a thread on Reddit, Buzz had all but accepted the job already on Monday. Then again if I remember correctly the source was a conversation overheard at the airport.
Quote from: Skitch on March 20, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
According to a thread on Reddit, Buzz had all but accepted the job already on Monday. Then again if I remember correctly the source was a conversation overheard at the airport.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/20lg65/buzz_williams_leaving_marquette_for_virginia_tech/
Wouldn't make much sense. Going to a second tier ACC school that hasn't done anything in basketball for a long time. With the power houses in the ACC he'd be lucky to finish better than middle for the foreseeable future. Not a great recruiting base. No religious focus.
Plus he's got a solid recruiting class coming in, a shot at Diamond and his staff is all set.
Buzz doesn't seem like the type to cut and run after one bad year.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 20, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
Buzz doesn't seem like the type to cut and run after one bad year.
:o
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 20, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
Wouldn't make much sense. Going to a second tier ACC school that hasn't done anything in basketball for a long time. With the power houses in the ACC he'd be lucky to finish better than middle for the foreseeable future. Not a great recruiting base. No religious focus.
Plus he's got a solid recruiting class coming in, a shot at Diamond and his staff is all set.
Buzz doesn't seem like the type to cut and run after one bad year.
Does VT count as second tier?
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 20, 2014, 10:47:49 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/20lg65/buzz_williams_leaving_marquette_for_virginia_tech/
My favorite comment came from someone using a Texas Longhorns avatar:
"Dammit, he was supposed to replace Rick."
Back to the annual silliness. Are these posters really that desperate for someone, anyone to pay attention to them?
Babcock knows he'd better get Virginia Tech basketball hire 'right'
http://articles.dailypress.com/2014-03-19/sports/dp-spt-teel-column-vt-hoops-presser-20140319_1_seth-greenberg-virginia-tech-hokies
March 19, 2014|David Teel
Much will hinge on money. Johnson was making approximately $700,000 annually, a package Tech may need to double for his successor. Moreover, the school owes Johnson more than $800,000 over the next three years and Greenberg, fired in 2012, approximately $600,000 over the next two.
Wow, next year they will pay $1.4 million to coaches not on campus. And the article says they may go as high as $1.4 million.
The marquee hire for which fans pine and Babcock should aim? Good luck.
I can't imagine Texas' Rick Barnes returning to his rural ACC roots — he's from Hickory, N.C., and coached Clemson. I doubt Marquette's Buzz Williams, Cincinnati's Mick Cronin, VCU's Shaka Smart, Harvard's Tommy Amaker or Roanoke native Gregg Marshall of undefeated Wichita State would consider Tech.
The Los Angeles Times' Bill Plaschke reported recently that former UCLA coach Ben Howland wants back in the business, but other than four years at Pitt, he's a West Coast lifer. As a player, Danny Manning led Kansas to a national title, but are two seasons as Tulsa's head coach enough?
$1.4 million is a pay cut for all these guys. Raise you hand if you want to take a pay cut and go to a revolving door job that will have empty cupboards? Anyone? Bueller?
Amker is a bad fit, period. His Michigan tenure proved that. Harvard is a great place for him and the only jobs that will lure him away is Duke with K leaves (carried out) or maybe Stanford.
Marshall is inline for a "real" college basketball job, not go and disappear into the Virginia backwoods. Did he insult someone to deserve this mention?
No, history says Tech will land a successful head coach who's not an ESPN darling. Winthrop's Pat Kelsey, Ole Miss' Andy Kennedy, Wofford's Mike Young, George Washington's Mike Lonergan, Xavier's Chris Mack, Dayton's Archie Miller, Southern Mississipppi's Donnie Tyndall and Louisiana Tech's White spring to mind.
None of those names, it must be stressed, come from Babcock or anyone at Tech. They're the musings of your friendly keyboard jockey and some of his coaching contacts.
How about doing what lots of successful programs so ... hire a hot shot assistant. VT is in the ACC and I'm sure there are lots to pick from.
Chris Mack is never take this job, the author just shows his ignorance with this name in his article.
Every year not too long ago, every BCS conference school with an opening thought that they could get Sean Miller away from Xavier. It took Arizona, a school with a lot of advantages to finally make it happen. I predict it'll take a lot to pry Mack loose, too.
It could happen.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 20, 2014, 11:25:54 PM
Every year not too long ago, every BCS conference school with an opening thought that they could get Sean Miller away from Xavier. It took Arizona, a school with a lot of advantages to finally make it happen. I predict it'll take a lot to pry Mack loose, too.
I agree ... I'm not saying Mack will not leave X. I'm saying he's not going to VT, that's a backward move.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2014, 10:10:22 PM
It's true. He is desperate.
http://chat.virginiatech.sportswar.com/message_board/vtbasketball/2014/March/18/20157.php
That website is a mess.
Their fans are delusional. They are the basketball joke of this state.
A troll from their board came over to the VCU forum and insisted that Shaka was interested in going there and was a small contract negotiation away from doing so.
I hope no one here actually buys this nonsense.
I saw that Jeff Bzdelik resigned from Wake Forest this afternoon. Now there's a job that could interest people more than the Virginia Tech job. It has a better history in basketball than VT, with good backing from the university and is also a member of the ACC.
Some pretty pitiful fans over there at the Va Tech board. Saying how the Big East will be irrelevant in 3 years and they cant recruit. What was that again TAMU? Tied with Kentucky...I mean the SEC for 2nd most top 100 recruits next year?
Quote from: Norm on March 21, 2014, 01:32:27 AM
I saw that Jeff Bzdelik resigned from Wake Forest this afternoon. Now there's a job that could interest people more than the Virginia Tech job. It has a better history in basketball than VT, with good backing from the university and is also a member of the ACC.
Masiello?!
Quote from: esard2011 on March 21, 2014, 02:01:11 AM
Some pretty pitiful fans over there at the Va Tech board. Saying how the Big East will be irrelevant in 3 years and they cant recruit. What was that again TAMU? Tied with Kentucky...I mean the SEC for 2nd most top 100 recruits next year?
Who are we to say? They know what irrelevancy looks like! This would be a lateral move at best...for Oliver Purnell.
Apparently John Feinstein was on DC radio this morning, and said VT is going hard after Buzz.
Quote from: Norm on March 21, 2014, 01:32:27 AM
I saw that Jeff Bzdelik resigned from Wake Forest this afternoon. Now there's a job that could interest people more than the Virginia Tech job. It has a better history in basketball than VT, with good backing from the university and is also a member of the ACC.
Ron Wellman, the AD that hired him should also "
resign"
Wake is my 2nd favorite team (going back to the Mugsy Bogues era)
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2014, 08:37:50 AM
Apparently John Feinstein was on DC radio this morning, and said VT is going hard after Buzz.
I'm not sure why people in this thread are so dismissive of Buzz leaving Marquette. Given his job history, he likely had itchy feet two years ago.
Tech is a dumpster fire of a program but has a beautiful campus and is southern manners by nature (well, other then Cho). Plus, they'll be buried in the ACC for the near future and could provide Buzz with the no pressure, low expectations employment he seems to crave.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 21, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
I'm not sure why people in this thread are so dismissive of Buzz leaving Marquette. Given his job history, he likely had itchy feet two years ago.
Tech is a dumpster fire of a program but has a beautiful campus and is southern manners by nature (well, other then Cho). Plus, they'll be buried in the ACC for the near future and could provide Buzz with the no pressure, low expectations employment he seems to crave.
No. More money here, everything is built for him... If you really think the pressure is high here, you need to get off of the boards more. I'd wager that unless Buzz missed the NCAA Tournament 3 years in a row with no hopes of getting back on the horizon he would be pressured. As long as he keeps making the tourney, there is no other pressure. Some fans around here probably should be a bit more realistic. This is a great job, and the only reason a coach should leave is for a top tier program.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 21, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
I'm not sure why people in this thread are so dismissive of Buzz leaving Marquette. Given his job history, he likely had itchy feet two years ago.
Tech is a dumpster fire of a program but has a beautiful campus and is southern manners by nature (well, other then Cho). Plus, they'll be buried in the ACC for the near future and could provide Buzz with the no pressure, low expectations employment he seems to crave.
This is the most absurd reasoning for a coach going to another program....they leave for a program in the crapper because they crave low pressure. Are you kidding me? Buzz wouldn't be a high level coach if he didn't relish pressure and the rush that winning gives you. Its in the nature of a competitive person. You don't get this far if you relish low-pressure situations.
Buzz is not going to VT. Stop trolling
Most of these rumors are stemming from Buzz Williams' supposed unhappiness with the administration which is now gone.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
No. More money here, everything is built for him... If you really think the pressure is high here, you need to get off of the boards more. I'd wager that unless Buzz missed the NCAA Tournament 3 years in a row with no hopes of getting back on the horizon he would be pressured. As long as he keeps making the tourney, there is no other pressure. Some fans around here probably should be a bit more realistic. This is a great job, and the only reason a coach should leave is for a top tier program.
You are correct the pressure is not high here. That's the thing, Buzz seemed to be a little thin-skinned this year for the little amount of pressure he received.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 21, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
I'm not sure why people in this thread are so dismissive of Buzz leaving Marquette. Given his job history, he likely had itchy feet two years ago.
Tech is a dumpster fire of a program but has a beautiful campus and is southern manners by nature (well, other then Cho). Plus, they'll be buried in the ACC for the near future and could provide Buzz with the no pressure, low expectations employment he seems to crave.
Wrong about Buzz on so many levels it's not worth enumerating.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Most of these rumors are stemming from Buzz Williams' supposed unhappiness with the administration which is now gone.
Yeah and I think I read where Feinstein actually made reference to that unhappiness, which was two years ago, so I wouldn't put much stock in what Feinstein said on the radio today if he doesn't even know that Larry Williams doesn't work here anymore.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
No. More money here, everything is built for him... If you really think the pressure is high here, you need to get off of the boards more. I'd wager that unless Buzz missed the NCAA Tournament 3 years in a row with no hopes of getting back on the horizon he would be pressured. As long as he keeps making the tourney, there is no other pressure. Some fans around here probably should be a bit more realistic. This is a great job, and the only reason a coach should leave is for a top tier program.
Where did I write the pressure was high at Marquette?
I would never dismiss a guy leaving for a new start and lower short term expectations. Buzz had no pressure this season, yet he felt some heat. Next season the pressure is on for both his career and program if he remains here.
Biggest disappointment to me is over last couple of years we have had 3 VERY high level recruits in backyard and were not even close on two of them. Not sure if reflection on Buzz or the program. Understand guys wanting to leave town but we were not close on either one of these two guys.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 21, 2014, 09:03:37 AM
Where did I write the pressure was high at Marquette?
You didn't, it was a general reply.
Plus, there's so many high major recruits comin' outta Virginia, hey?
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
I would never dismiss a guy leaving for a new start and lower short term expectations. Buzz had no pressure this season, yet he felt some heat. Next season the pressure is on for both his career and program if he remains here.
Biggest disappointment to me is over last couple of years we have had 3 VERY high level recruits in backyard and were not even close on two of them. Not sure if reflection on Buzz or the program. Understand guys wanting to leave town but we were not close on either one of these two guys.
Are you talking about Tokoto as one of them? Who are the 3? Looney...? Tokoto, the guy who was ranked about 5 spots higher in the recruiting rankings than 2 local freshman on our roster this year? And ranked lower than a local 2015 recruit we have committed? And once rankings come out for 2017 will most likely be ranked lower than another local commit we have? If you're talking elite elite then we missed on Looney who we have known for years wasn't staying local. If not then we have locked up a number of local stars. Who else make up the 3?
Wadesworld
The third is Stone. If Buzz were to strike out on all three it would be a blow to him I am sure. I appreciate the refresher course on recruit rankings, but not sure what that has to do with anything. I can speak with some personal experiences on how hard coaches take missing out on target recruits and it can be a game changer for careers. Missing out on certain recruits is tougher than loss in many cases to a HC.
No inside info whatsoever, but Stone's commitment is definitely not a given. Don't care who may argue otherwise.
I wouldn't blame Buzz if he left. Three incredible season in a row and now one poor season (not even horrible) and look at the attitudes on this board. Look at his second year and how he was able to win. Kept MU in the NCAA's every season until now... a great, great run. Second best in MU history!
I've lost a lot of respect for too many Marquette fans, at least the one's with little perspective (I am aware that a lot of these people are UW trolls posting on here), but too many are actual Marquette fans.
Plus, not knowing who your boss will be and who your boss's boss will be doesn't help. I hope he is close to a lot of board members who have his back and let him know it.
Add in the terrible winter, and maybe he is ready to head out. He will probably feel different in June, but after this season, this winter and the "turning" of too many "fans" with little perspective, who knows?
I doubt he leaves, but I'd understand it now, better than ever and could see him go.
Are Greenberg's daughters still at Virginia Tech? That could be the decidin' factor, aina?
Pagin' Crash to chime in.
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2014, 09:28:01 AM
I wouldn't blame Buzz if he left. Three incredible season in a row and now one poor season (not even horrible) and look at the attitudes on this board.
::)
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2014, 09:28:01 AM
I wouldn't blame Buzz if he left. Three incredible season in a row and now one poor season (not even horrible) and look at the attitudes on this board. Look at his second year and how he was able to win. Kept MU in the NCAA's every season until now... a great, great run. Second best in MU history!
I've lost a lot of respect for too many Marquette fans, at least the one's with little perspective (I am aware that a lot of these people are UW trolls posting on here), but too many are actual Marquette fans.
Plus, not knowing who your boss will be and who your boss's boss will be doesn't help. I hope he is close to a lot of board members who have his back and let him know it.
Add in the terrible winter, and maybe he is ready to head out. He will probably feel different in June, but after this season, this winter and the "turning" of too many "fans" with little perspective, who knows?
I doubt he leaves, but I'd understand it now, better than ever and could see him go.
It's all about expectations. If MU was picked to finish 6th and we finished 6th because we lost 4 1000 point scorers or went up in class in a new league, etc, then that is understandable. Exepectations tie into it. The more you win, the higher the expectations, human nature.
Do you think if he had repeated what he did at MU at another school and was then picked to win the league but failed to make the NIT some fans of that school would be miffed? Of course they would. Doesn't matter where he goes in this country, what school, that would be the reaction.
Now let's look at it in real terms. The guy is loved at MU, they have bent over backwards for him to the point of even eliminating his bosses. If Buzz thinks people are on him or out to get him at MU then he should really hang it up and go into television. He has it great at MU, a high major program, paid very well and the pressures are there but not anywhere to the level they are at other schools in the same position.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
It's all about expectations. If MU was picked to finish 6th and we finished 6th because we lost 4 1000 point scorers or went up in class in a new league, etc, then that is understandable. Exepectations tie into it. The more you win, the higher the expectations, human nature.
Do you think if he had repeated what he did at MU at another school and was then picked to win the league but failed to make the NIT some fans of that school would be miffed? Of course they would. Doesn't matter where he goes in this country, what school, that would be the reaction.
Now let's look at it in real terms. The guy is loved at MU, they have bent over backwards for him to the point of even eliminating his bosses. If Buzz thinks people are on him or out to get him at MU then he should really hang it up and go into television. He has it great at MU, a high major program, paid very well and the pressures are there but not anywhere to the level they are at other schools in the same position.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
It's all about expectations. If MU was picked to finish 6th and we finished 6th because we lost 4 1000 point scorers or went up in class in a new league, etc, then that is understandable. Exepectations tie into it. The more you win, the higher the expectations, human nature.
Do you think if he had repeated what he did at MU at another school and was then picked to win the league but failed to make the NIT some fans of that school would be miffed? Of course they would. Doesn't matter where he goes in this country, what school, that would be the reaction.
Now let's look at it in real terms. The guy is loved at MU, they have bent over backwards for him to the point of even eliminating his bosses. If Buzz thinks people are on him or out to get him at MU then he should really hang it up and go into television. He has it great at MU, a high major program, paid very well and the pressures are there but not anywhere to the level they are at other schools in the same position.
I think you're correct Chicos. Just putting it out there that the perspective of too many "fans" is way to short (as in a few weeks, is my guess). I guess I am disappointed and have been for much of the season in the reaction of the "fans." Buzz bought a lot of leeway in my book, based upon what he has done at MU.
Expectations, for me, really don't factor into it a lot. Kind of like polls for elections. If the expectations are wrong, they are just wrong. Reality is what counts, as you know. Many of us knew what we had at the 1 and 2 positions going in and the issues. If one's expectations were wrong, then obviously they must adjust to reality, not the other way around.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
It's all about expectations. If MU was picked to finish 6th and we finished 6th because we lost 4 1000 point scorers or went up in class in a new league, etc, then that is understandable. Exepectations tie into it. The more you win, the higher the expectations, human nature.
Do you think if he had repeated what he did at MU at another school and was then picked to win the league but failed to make the NIT some fans of that school would be miffed? Of course they would. Doesn't matter where he goes in this country, what school, that would be the reaction.
Now let's look at it in real terms. The guy is loved at MU, they have bent over backwards for him to the point of even eliminating his bosses. If Buzz thinks people are on him or out to get him at MU then he should really hang it up and go into television. He has it great at MU, a high major program, paid very well and the pressures are there but not anywhere to the level they are at other schools in the same position.
Nailed it. If Buzz cares what this board thinks then he is an enormous kitten. We are fanatics, not your average fans here.
This Buzz crap year after year is getting very tiresome. I love Buzz and hope he stays here for a very long time. That being said, if he wants to go more power to ya. He does everyone who is at Marquette and Marquette fans a big disservice every offseason, as he never reaffirms his commitment to MU. Despite all the good ol country boy charm, I think Buzz has a huge ego and enjoys people talking about him. It kind of reminds me of Favre in his early days with the awe shucks and what not...We saw how that turned out lol. Now I think Buzz is ten times the human being Favre is, I just think the good ol country boy act isn't as genuine as it used to be. Buzz if you want to stay at MU, just say you aren't going anywhere so we don't have to deal with this bs every year.
Agree with expectations but Buzz kinda put that on himself when he said at Madness before the 2012-13 season that Sweet 16s arent good enough anymore." If you think Buzz doesnt like expectations and pressure then youre wrong because it came straight from the horses mouth.
4ever
Stone is not a given is what I have heard as well. Definitely still in the game, but far from a lock at this point. We really do need to get him.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
Stone is not a given is what I have heard as well. Definitely still in the game, but far from a lock at this point. We really do need to get him.
If he stays in-state, I like MU's chances.
Problem is, I don't think he stays in-state.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
If he stays in-state, I like MU's chances.
Problem is, I don't think he stays in-state.
Have the unholy trio (Duke, UK, UNC) really gotten involved yet, or are they waiting?
Quote from: mu-rara on March 21, 2014, 10:22:33 AM
Have the unholy trio (Duke, UK, UNC) really gotten involved yet, or are they waiting?
Add UCLA to that mix
Buzz is gone. It sounds like a done deal. Don't crucify me- just telling what I know.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 10:42:08 AM
He's gone. It sounds like a done deal. Don't crucify me- just telling what I know.
I won't crucify you... but with less than 100 posts, and no specifics, be ready for it.
It wouldn't surprise me if you're right, btw.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 21, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
You are correct the pressure is not high here. That's the thing, Buzz seemed to be a little thin-skinned this year for the little amount of pressure he received.
When did this happen?
Richard Shaw
Politely disgaree on Buzz being gone.
I get it. Just giving the obligatory "don't shoot the messenger."
Been a fan since birth and have been going to games since '85. I'm not happy about it but I want to shift the focus quickly onto where the athletic department goes from here.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
I get it. Just giving the obligatory "don't shoot the messenger."
Been a fan since birth and have been going to games since '85. I'm not happy about it but I want to shift the focus quickly onto where the athletic department goes from here.
This is the point where I ignore scoop for the next few days to avoid the madness you just started.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
I get it. Just giving the obligatory "don't shoot the messenger."
Been a fan since birth and have been going to games since '85. I'm not happy about it but I want to shift the focus quickly onto where the athletic department goes from here.
Is he taking Derrick and Juan with him???
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 10:42:08 AM
Buzz is gone. It sounds like a done deal. Don't crucify me- just telling what I know.
So can we crucify you when Buzz is still the coach next fall?
I really hate the clowns that come on here and do this every year. At some point I'll be smart enough to just ignore this board from the end of the season until September.
And where exactly do you think Buzz is going? Dont tell me VT! hahahahahaha
mubuzz
Too soon:)
Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 09:47:18 AM
This Buzz crap year after year is getting very tiresome. I love Buzz and hope he stays here for a very long time. That being said, if he wants to go more power to ya. He does everyone who is at Marquette and Marquette fans a big disservice every offseason, as he never reaffirms his commitment to MU. Despite all the good ol country boy charm, I think Buzz has a huge ego and enjoys people talking about him. It kind of reminds me of Favre in his early days with the awe shucks and what not...We saw how that turned out lol. Now I think Buzz is ten times the human being Favre is, I just think the good ol country boy act isn't as genuine as it used to be. Buzz if you want to stay at MU, just say you aren't going anywhere so we don't have to deal with this bs every year.
All you need to do is quit reading this board. That's where the speculation is. What commitment do you think he needs to re-affirm? He has already done so. Does he need to do it at least once a month so people here can sleep at night.
Maybe you expect him to write a letter to every school pre-emptively asking them not to contact him if they fire their coach? We'd still have people whining here that he only wrote the letter once. Why can't he write it every year? And why doesn't he send all of the Scoopers a letter promising to stay?
This stuff gets sillier every year.
How about everyone on Scoop post a written promise that they are going to stay at their current job no matter what happens in their life? That is basically what people here want.
I think Howland would be a good fit for both Wake and VTech
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 21, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
I'm not sure why people in this thread are so dismissive of Buzz leaving Marquette. Given his job history, he likely had itchy feet two years ago.
Tech is a dumpster fire of a program but has a beautiful campus and is southern manners by nature (well, other then Cho). Plus, they'll be buried in the ACC for the near future and could provide Buzz with the no pressure, low expectations employment he seems to crave.
Not sure this characterizes Buzz Williams' personality or motivations
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 09:09:22 AM
Plus, there's so many high major recruits comin' outta Virginia, hey?
The sure footed Ox
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
I get it. Just giving the obligatory "don't shoot the messenger."
Been a fan since birth and have been going to games since '85. I'm not happy about it but I want to shift the focus quickly onto where the athletic department goes from here.
Okay then where's Buzz going to? VaTech? I don't buy that one.
Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
All you need to do is quit reading this board. That's where the speculation is. What commitment do you think he needs to re-affirm? He has already done so. Does he need to do it at least once a month so people here can sleep at night.
Maybe you expect him to write a letter to every school pre-emptively asking them not to contact him if they fire their coach? We'd still have people whining here that he only wrote the letter once. Why can't he write it every year? And why doesn't he send all of the Scoopers a letter promising to stay?
This stuff gets sillier every year.
How about everyone on Scoop post a written promise that they are going to stay at their current job no matter what happens in their life? That is basically what people here want.
He hasn't reaffirmed anything in years...far from it. If he was happy here, he wouldn't be named on every list for potential job openings. I clearly don't expect him to state his love for his job monthly. How about a "we had a disappointing year and I can't wait to get this team back on track next year." We had a dismal year and he's nowhere to be found except for being mentioned in every job that becomes open. Do you ever hear Jay Wright being mentioned at these type of schools? Why do you think that is? Because he's committed to Villanova and everyone knows it.
Keefe
I love Buzz as much as the next guy but I cannot figure out his motivations. Obviously he is smart, clever guy and says mostly the right things. Though I never 100% bought into with the messing with happy or I'll stay here as long as they want me. Mainly because messing with happy is easy way out if a guy chose that route. How can anyone ever dispute another person's happiness?
Have said it many times but he came a hayseed (in good way) and transitioned to Gucci's quite easily. Motivation changes throughout a lifetime and I think trying to figure Buzz out is more complex than figuring out the average guy.
He must really want out if he's already a done deal to Virginia Tech. Pass up the other jobs for Va Tech?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 09:28:21 AM
Are Greenberg's daughters still at Virginia Tech? That could be the decidin' factor, aina?
Pagin' Crash to chime in.
I heard that Seth has sired quite a clutch, each of whom is eligible for Israeli citizenship.
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Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
He hasn't reaffirmed anything in years...far from it. If he was happy here, he wouldn't be named on every list for potential job openings. I clearly don't expect him to state his love for his job monthly. How about a "we had a disappointing year and I can't wait to get this team back on track next year." We had a dismal year and he's nowhere to be found except for being mentioned in every job that becomes open. Do you ever hear Jay Wright being mentioned at these type of schools? Why do you think that is? Because he's committed to Villanova and everyone knows it.
How about he's doing that already? So are you also saying that Shaka Smart is trying to move on from VCU just cuz other schools want him? That is the nature of the business. If you are an AD and don't check in with guys like Shaka or Buzz, then you aren't doing your job.
But I'm guessing next week, Buzz will be leaving for SMU ::)
Hunt is now reporting that Buzz is leaving for UCLA.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2014, 11:53:40 AM
Hunt is now reporting that Buzz is leaving for UCLA.
where are you seeing this? Its not on jsonline
Sorry, that was a joke. The UCLA job was filled a year ago by Alford. Referring both to the insanity of the rumors and Hunt's legendary accuracy and timeliness.
So how long until the coaching carousel closes and we can forget all this nonsense?
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Sorry, that was a joke. The UCLA job was filled a year ago by Alford. Referring both to the insanity of the rumors and Hunt's legendary accuracy and timeliness.
For that, you deserve to stay with your sister and her Dayton Flyer friends for the weekend! I can only imagine how they would ask you how Marquette lost to tOSU?
If Buzz leaves...unfortunate. Maybe we go after a Big Ten or ACC coach and woo one of their own. Teach them a lesson.
Hell yeah, go after Doc Rivers. But we need 7 million at least.
Quote from: Norm on March 21, 2014, 01:32:27 AM
I saw that Jeff Bzdelik resigned from Wake Forest this afternoon.
He was a terrible hire from the beginning. The student response:
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Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 11:52:43 AM
How about he's doing that already? So are you also saying that Shaka Smart is trying to move on from VCU just cuz other schools want him? That is the nature of the business. If you are an AD and don't check in with guys like Shaka or Buzz, then you aren't doing your job.
But I'm guessing next week, Buzz will be leaving for SMU ::)
Shaka Smart made it very clear he was happy at VCU last year and isn't going anywhere. You also don't hear his name mentioned with the Virginia Tech's, USF's, and SMU's of the world do you? It's funny, when Shaka is mentioned for a job he shoots it down, while Buzz lets it linger and doesn't acknowledge it. Is Villanova that much better of a job than Marquette? I don't think so...just kinda weird how their coach is never mentioned for these schools. I don't think Buzz is going to leave, but he sure does like having people pursue him.
I wouldn't be so quick to call the rumors insane...
And to those complaining that Buzz's name is in the news for coach openings, I would much, much rather have a coach who performs in such a way that other schools want to pursue him than have one who nobody wants. That's just me though.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 11:31:04 AM
Keefe
I love Buzz as much as the next guy but I cannot figure out his motivations. Obviously he is smart, clever guy and says mostly the right things. Though I never 100% bought into with the messing with happy or I'll stay here as long as they want me. Mainly because messing with happy is easy way out if a guy chose that route. How can anyone ever dispute another person's happiness?
Have said it many times but he came a hayseed (in good way) and transitioned to Gucci's quite easily. Motivation changes throughout a lifetime and I think trying to figure Buzz out is more complex than figuring out the average guy.
Joe
I agree that his rube personae is 100% pure schtick and his fashion tastes have certainly transitioned from Boot Barn to Haute Couture. But I do think, on a fundamental level, he seems more genuine than a lot of his equally driven, highly motivated peers.
Al was all about Al but there was a sincerity about him that was refreshing. Some may not know but Al tried to leave MU but was held to his contract. I think BW is all about BW, too. Both men have very finely attenuated egos and I think we saw that manifest itself throughout this past year. And while both have a legitimate sincerity about them, BW's is far more nuanced than McGuire's ever was.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
I wouldn't be so quick to call the rumors insane...
And to those complaining that Buzz's name is in the news for coach openings, I would much, much rather have a coach who performs in such a way that other schools want to pursue him than have one who nobody wants. That's just me though.
Jay Wright, JTIII, Chris Mack, Mick Cronin, And Ed Cooley. These are all coaches who are in similar programs to MU and you never hear their coaches being rumored for other jobs...especially a lower profile job than their current one. There is a reason for this.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
Al was all about Al but there was a sincerity about him that was refreshing. Some may not know but Al tried to leave MU but was held to his contract. I think BW is all about BW, too. Both men have very finely attenuated egos and I think we saw that manifest itself throughout this past year. And while both have a legitimate sincerity about them, BW's is far more nuanced than McGuire's ever was.
I agree with BW being all about BW, and this is why at the end of the day I don't really worry about these rumors. Going to Virginia Tech is not in BW's best interest.
Crash
Agree on Al being Al and Buzz being about Buzz. Al was easier to read IMO, but was different time in life. Al had no problem letting people know it was all about him. Buzz is more clever in his approach.
I believe Buzz should be careful about leaving. As Chico pointed out, Buzz is practically adored at Marquette. Much of this, of course, is because of his recent success. Some of it is because he seems like such a genuine guy. Like it or not, I also believe some of it is because he is not his predecessor. People at Marquette have been dying for a coach to embrace since Al. That could have been O'Neill, but he got in his own way. Deane was too over the top. Buzz seems just right.
His little quirks and occasionally strange behavior may not be as likable when he's finishing 7-11 in the ACC.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 12:18:59 PM
Jay Wright, JTIII, Chris Mack, Mick Cronin, And Ed Cooley. These are all coaches who are in similar programs to MU and you never hear their coaches being rumored for other jobs...especially a lower profile job than their current one. There is a reason for this.
I would explain coach by coach how wrong you are, but you just tried to make an honest comparison between Buzz Williams and Ed Cooley. The same Ed Cooley whose team got hot and won 3 games in 3 days to send him to his first NCAA Tournament in 8 seasons as a Division 1 head coach. I don't think a response is going to help you understand...
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 21, 2014, 12:33:48 PM
I believe Buzz should be careful about leaving. As Chico pointed out, Buzz is practically adored at Marquette. Much of this, of course, is because of his recent success. Some of it is because he seems like such a genuine guy. Like it or not, I also believe some of it is because he is not his predecessor. People at Marquette have been dying for a coach to embrace since Al. That could have been O'Neill, but he got in his own way. Deane was too over the top. Buzz seems just right.
His little quirks and occasionally strange behavior may not be as likable when he's finishing 7-11 in the ACC.
The old adage be careful what you wish for is operational. I wonder how Tanned Tommy feels about Indiana now. As mubuzz noted, there is indeed a reason why BW's name keeps cropping up yet we never hear Jay Wright's. When you make the decision to pull chocks then press on. That leverage works in the short-term but always ends up badly. I am guessing BW has gone to that well more than once.
Why do you people do this to yourselves?
Buzz is not going anywhere. To read this thread you'd think he was already pacing up and down the court at Va Tech of SFU or whatever half-assed land grant school is the basis of the most recent rumor.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
I would explain coach by coach how wrong you are, but you just tried to make an honest comparison between Buzz Williams and Ed Cooley. The same Ed Cooley whose team got hot and won 3 games in 3 days to send him to his first NCAA Tournament in 8 seasons as a Division 1 head coach. I don't think a response is going to help you understand...
Ed Cooley has been at Providence for 3 years. His first year they were 15-17 and went 23-11 this year. His prior job was Fairfield where they went 13-19 his first year and 25-8 his last year. I would honestly compare Buzz and Cooley and if you didn't have your Buzz blinders on, you could probably see that they are not that bad of a comparison. Cooley is a great recruiter and it appears his team is trending up. He has turned around 2 programs now and he is a great coach. Buzz walked into a much better situation at Marquette than Cooley did at Providence.
Crash
Going to the well too often never sits well at any organization and MU has had feet held to fire many times over ther last two coaches tenure. It got old with TC and Buzz should know that. Buzz needs to put out rumor fires ASAP and move on. He has little chance of getting major pay increase here or elsewhere and has to decide where he is happiest.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 12:49:44 PM
Ed Cooley has been at Providence for 3 years. His first year they were 15-17 and went 23-11 this year. His prior job was Fairfield where they went 13-19 his first year and 25-8 his last year. I would honestly compare Buzz and Cooley and if you didn't have your Buzz blinders on, you could probably see that they are not that bad of a comparison. Cooley is a great recruiter and it appears his team is trending up. He has turned around 2 programs now and he is a great coach. Buzz walked into a much better situation at Marquette than Cooley did at Providence.
And Ed Cooley grew up around the corner from PC. It's been his dream job since he was a kid. So he said in an interview with Mike Francesca earlier this week.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Crash
Going to the well too often never sits well at any organization and MU has had feet held to fire many times over ther last two coaches tenure. It got old with TC and Buzz should know that. Buzz needs to put out rumor fires ASAP and move on. He has little chance of getting major pay increase here or elsewhere and has to decide where he is happiest.
Goose
I don't think BW wants to leave but I do think he understands leverage. There is a reason his name always crops up but he needs to think through pay scales and where he sits on that continuum. I concur that he now needs to figure out the situation that will make him happiest because it will be bloody difficult to squeeze much more out of the Marquette turnip.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 10:42:08 AM
Buzz is gone. It sounds like a done deal. Don't crucify me- just telling what I know.
No idea if this is right or wrong, but can we have a sticky at the top to track these type of predictions, so we can keep track of who is legit and who is full of it? This is an unequivocal statement that Buzz is leaving. If it is wrong, I want to make sure I can reference this poster next year.
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
No idea if this is right or wrong, but can we have a sticky at the top to track these type of predictions, so we can keep track of who is legit and who is full of it? This is an unequivocal statement that Buzz is leaving. If it is wrong, I want to make sure I can reference this poster next year.
The only person I trust with info to the team is myself, bigdaddy, and dddawson
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Sorry, that was a joke. The UCLA job was filled a year ago by Alford. Referring both to the insanity of the rumors and Hunt's legendary accuracy and timeliness.
Thing is, Hunt is so bad I actually believed it
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
The old adage be careful what you wish for is operational. I wonder how Tanned Tommy feels about Indiana now. As mubuzz noted, there is indeed a reason why BW's name keeps cropping up yet we never hear Jay Wright's. When you make the decision to pull chocks then press on. That leverage works in the short-term but always ends up badly. I am guessing BW has gone to that well more than once.
You're not paying attention enough then. Jay's name comes up every year in random articles. It's slowly gotten less and less frequent, but still happens. Kind of like how Mark Few's name still pops up. The longer Buzz stays, the less this will happen...but it will still happen.
If I may wax philosophical for a moment... an example from the organization I work for:
GE's CEO has said repeatedly that he loves the fact that the to 200 leaders in the company could pick up a phone and get a job as CEO of a Fortune 500 company, making more money. They'll frequently invite GE alums who have done so to come back and speak to that.
Here's how this relates to MU:
A "stepping stone" job is still an attractive job if the coaches from here end up at Blue Bloods, or highly compensated. I love Buzz, but the main concern should be with our board, president & AD that they are committed to filling that pipeline with top candidates, and giving them everything they need to be successful while they're here.
Bottom Line: I love that Buzz gets calls each offseason to coach elsewhere. It's not win/lose... MU will continue to be a solid program as long as we invest in the development of our coach & staff while they are here.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 12:18:59 PM
Jay Wright, JTIII, Chris Mack, Mick Cronin, And Ed Cooley. These are all coaches who are in similar programs to MU and you never hear their coaches being rumored for other jobs...especially a lower profile job than their current one. There is a reason for this.
Where are you getting your info? Or are you ONLY paying attention to Buzz's name?
Cronin's name always pops up (which is always stupid because he Cincy through and through). Wright has had his name out there for years. JTIII? Okay, not that one, but he is kind of Georgetown family...almost as secure as you can get. Mack is a Xavier alum, but I still seem his name on message board and "rumor" BS articles.
We all THINK Buzz's name comes up more than others (and maybe it does...slightly) but that's because we're ONLY PAYING ATTENTION TO BUZZ'S NAME.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 21, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
If I may wax philosophical for a moment... an example from the organization I work for:
GE's CEO has said repeatedly that he loves the fact that the to 200 leaders in the company could pick up a phone and get a job as CEO of a Fortune 500 company, making more money. They'll frequently invite GE alums who have done so to come back and speak to that.
I actually remember reading that article also. He said that if his workers are coveted by others than it means the company is doing it's job correctly, it's training it's workers right, etc.
College ball and corporate world are quite different animals. In corporate America there are hundreds and hundreds of A players and thousands of B players with upside. In addition, corporate America has luxury of time to upgrade people, even A players. There are few A players coaching college ball and odds of picking a B player with upside is long. We have done it three times, but harder than it looks.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 21, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Where are you getting your info? Or are you ONLY paying attention to Buzz's name?
Cronin's name always pops up (which is always stupid because he Cincy through and through). Wright has had his name out there for years. JTIII? Okay, not that one, but he is kind of Georgetown family...almost as secure as you can get. Mack is a Xavier alum, but I still seem his name on message board and "rumor" BS articles.
We all THINK Buzz's name comes up more than others (and maybe it does...slightly) but that's because we're ONLY PAYING ATTENTION TO BUZZ'S NAME.
According to Feinstein, Cronin is friends with the Virginia Tech AD and has been talking up the AD to Buzz, telling Buzz how good the AD is. But at the same time Feinstein was saying that Buzz didn't get along with the MU administration, which to me indicates Feinstein still thinks Larry Williams is there, because I was under the impression Buzz didnt have any worries anymore. So who knows how suspect Feinstein's info is.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 21, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Where are you getting your info? Or are you ONLY paying attention to Buzz's name?
Cronin's name always pops up (which is always stupid because he Cincy through and through). Wright has had his name out there for years. JTIII? Okay, not that one, but he is kind of Georgetown family...almost as secure as you can get. Mack is a Xavier alum, but I still seem his name on message board and "rumor" BS articles.
We all THINK Buzz's name comes up more than others (and maybe it does...slightly) but that's because we're ONLY PAYING ATTENTION TO BUZZ'S NAME.
+1
Buzz has said he will be at MU as long as MU will have him. That's not going to keep him from taking calls and exploring job options. He does this to remind the administration that he can another job, whenever he wants. It's leverage. It's a basic tool of negotiation. And it's even more important in a year like this. Buzz is showing the administration that even after a bad year, he could still jump and land in a pretty decent job.
Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
IWB- SMU came calling with a $35 million dollar offer. (wow.) Buzz has it too good right now. With Larry and Fr. Pilarz gone, a lot of tension is gone. Zach- you saw what happened when a president and AD came in that didn't care about basketball. Basketball is a vital part of MU's image. Pilarz never understood that.
IWB- He's got a great job at MU. Well paid. Great practice facility. Just basketball. Good conference, great TV deal. Wife and kids love it here. Buzz isn't about the money, he is about respect. As long as that is ironed out under the new administration, IWB sees Buzz at MU for a long time.
When Oregon called, Buzz informed Cottingham what was going on. He listened, because he didn't want to burn any bridges, wanted to show respect. All about relationships. He will always answer the phone.
Anyone concerned about Buzz leaving, read this. This makes sense to me. It bodes well with the intuition that I had before I read it.
Couple the content of this quote with the PaintTouches article where they said Buzz writes like 30 hand-written letters per month and sends them to different people (eg, old coaches, ADs, etc.). My hunch is that he doesn't send these letters in the same spirit as, say, Fr. Naus, but rather they are sent in the spirit of 'I may need this person down the road'. If it's true that Buzz literally takes all phone calls from the ADs of other schools, then I can see how ADs at other schools are led on to believing that they have a chance landing Buzz.
"Hey, local Roanoke beat reporter, I just got off the phone with Marquette's Buzz Williams and we had a great and lengthy conversation. I think it was really fruitful. I think we have a chance. He was laughing at my jokes and said he's been to VT's campus. He said it's beautiful." and so on.
In short,
Buzz is networking, working these guys, building bridges, etc. and these ADs confuse it with interest in their program. Buzz is staying here. He is simply building a really strong parachute.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
I agree with BW being all about BW, and this is why at the end of the day I don't really worry about these rumors. Going to Virginia Tech is not in BW's best interest.
And taking a massive paycut I would guess is not in his interest, either.
http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2014/3/21/5532916/marquette-basketball-buzz-williams-coaching-rumors
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 21, 2014, 01:41:40 PM
According to Feinstein, Cronin is friends with the Virginia Tech AD and has been talking up the AD to Buzz, telling Buzz how good the AD is. But at the same time Feinstein was saying that Buzz didn't get along with the MU administration, which to me indicates Feinstein still thinks Larry Williams is there, because I was under the impression Buzz didnt have any worries anymore. So who knows how suspect Feinstein's info is.
Even VT fans dismissed Feinstein's report. By Feintsein's own admission he heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody else.
Nothing to see here folks
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 21, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Where are you getting your info? Or are you ONLY paying attention to Buzz's name?
Cronin's name always pops up (which is always stupid because he Cincy through and through). Wright has had his name out there for years. JTIII? Okay, not that one, but he is kind of Georgetown family...almost as secure as you can get. Mack is a Xavier alum, but I still seem his name on message board and "rumor" BS articles.
We all THINK Buzz's name comes up more than others (and maybe it does...slightly) but that's because we're ONLY PAYING ATTENTION TO BUZZ'S NAME.
On the rare instance that one of them would get mentioned, it would be for a higher profile job. Can you picture Jay Wright being rumored to go to Virginia Tech or SMU? It used to be Buzz rumored to the Arkansas and Oklahomas of the world...Lately it's Va Tech, USF, and SMU? Like I said, it's just annoying that he is always mentioned and I feel it's mostly his doing. I guarantee Jay Wright interested in USF will never be a rumor.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
Even VT fans dismissed Feinstein's report. By Feintsein's own admission he heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody else.
Nothing to see here folks
Not that simple.
There was a rumor that DePaul could pull in Jamie Dixon when the Blue Demons hired Purnell. The idea was that Wright would be loyal to the school that was supportive of his late sister.
The lesson: Anyone can dream as dreams are free.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/columns/story?id=5010802
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
The lesson: Anyone can dream as dreams are free.
Some of us have insomnia...costs about a nickel to dream :D
W/Chris moving on, I don't know that Buzz has a particular fondness for any returnees that I had in previous years. Might make taking another job easier. Although, if he left after this year with a roster in flux and so many question marks, it wouldn't sit well.
Some of you knuckleheads need to get a grip. It's a rumor. I shared what I believe to be true. If I'm wrong, I deserve to be called out or ignored. I'm not a frequent poster and I never will be but I thought this deserved to be shared.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Some of you knuckleheads need to get a grip. It's a rumor. I shared what I believe to be true. If I'm wrong, I deserve to be called out or ignored. I'm not a frequent poster and I never will be but I thought this deserved to be shared.
Buzz is gone-it's a done deal. Lol, that's some rumor there pal...doesn't really leave a lot of wiggle room to be a rumor. You stated it as a fact, maybe someone else is the knucklehead
Quote from: mubuzz on March 21, 2014, 02:18:42 PM
Buzz is gone-it's a done deal. Lol, that's some rumor there pal...doesn't really leave a lot of wiggle room to be a rumor. You stated it as a fact, maybe someone else is the knucklehead
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Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
No easy way to share it.
Try harder. You can present something you've heard as "this is something I've heard" rather than fact
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
Even VT fans dismissed Feinstein's report. By Feintsein's own admission he heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody else.
Nothing to see here folks
Feinstein writes books. he is not a college bb reporter.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Some of you knuckleheads need to get a grip. It's a rumor. I shared what I believe to be true. If I'm wrong, I deserve to be called out or ignored. I'm not a frequent poster and I never will be but I thought this deserved to be shared.
Come on. You can't say it as fact... gone... Your initial post makes it sound like you know this for a fact.
Va. Tech is a mess. They had Dorian Finney-Smith, a top recruit out of Portsmouth, VA, go there and start as a freshmen. He received major minutes, but still left after one year. He's at Florida now as their 6th man.
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2014, 02:40:04 PM
Come on. You can't say it as fact... gone... Your initial post makes it sound like you know this for a fact.
I ain't claiming to be anybody. I believe it to be extremely reliable. So if you need to say I'm spewing "facts," then fine.
Quote from: Carl Spackler on March 21, 2014, 02:32:16 PM
Feinstein writes books. he is not a college bb reporter.
That's actually not true. He is a journalist with columns in the Post and Sporting News. He has written books but he is principally a print journalist.
Do not underestimate Virginia Tech. They have an AD who wants to bring to B-ball program to the status of the football program. Don't know if that will happen, but they are going to try.
Some variables about VT:
ACC Conference. With Louisville coming next year, along with additions of Cuse, PITT and ND, it is a major B-ball conference.
VT has a devoted fanbase in the east. Their football program and their fans are off the charts. That is the hope of the AD, because when VT had a halfway decent B-ball program, their fans stuck with them.
The campus is just beautiful and academics are above the norm.
Sometimes coaches need a challenge, to resurrect a program to another level. If a coach enjoys that and is financially secure in life with huge money from a prior coaching job, then why not take it on. VT would be such a challenge.
The B-ball recruitment would come from the Washington DC area, Baltimore and parts south of Blacksburg, to include the Carolinas. No shortage of talent and would take some doing, but the talent is there.
VT is in the Blacksburg/Roanoke western part of Virginia. It is a rural region and is considered a part of the Bible belt. Communities are tight knit with their beliefs and a certain coach would fit in this area.
I don't see it happening, but VT is not as bad as some believe it to be.
Quote from: nyg on March 21, 2014, 03:19:52 PM
Do not underestimate Virginia Tech. They have an AD who wants to bring to B-ball program to the status of the football program. Don't know if that will happen, but they are going to try.
Some variables about VT:
ACC Conference. With Louisville coming next year, along with additions of Cuse, PITT and ND, it is a major B-ball conference.
VT has a devoted fanbase in the east. Their football program and their fans are off the charts. That is the hope of the AD, because when VT had a halfway decent B-ball program, their fans stuck with them.
The campus is just beautiful and academics are above the norm.
Sometimes coaches need a challenge, to resurrect a program to another level. If a coach enjoys that and is financially secure in life with huge money from a prior coaching job, then why not take it on. VT would be such a challenge.
The B-ball recruitment would come from the Washington DC area, Baltimore and parts south of Blacksburg, to include the Carolinas. No shortage of talent and would take some doing, but the talent is there.
VT is in the Blacksburg/Roanoke western part of Virginia. It is a rural region and is considered a part of the Bible belt. Communities are tight knit with their beliefs and a certain coach would fit in this area.
I don't see it happening, but VT is not as bad as some believe it to be.
The ACC "is a major B-ball conference"? This is why we pay you the big bucks. Virginia Tech has the same future in the new ACC that Rutgers and Maryland will have in the Big 10- they won't be competitive. Why would any successful rational coach want that kind of a "challenge"?
Monday
Walleye running late this year?
Go ahead and sticky my prediction. Announcement comes Monday.
Any y'all trackin' aircraft activity between MKE and BCB?
Quote from: Mutaman on March 21, 2014, 03:33:36 PM
The ACC "is a major B-ball conference"? This is why we pay you the big bucks. Virginia Tech has the same future in the new ACC that Rutgers and Maryland will have in the Big 10- they won't be competitive. Why would any successful rational coach want that kind of a "challenge"?
Listen, I just threw out some facts about VaTech because some mentioned it as if it was a dirt pile. It is not.
Yes, the ACC is a major B-ball conference, above what the new BE is and is going to be in future.
Maybe it's not about money. Buzz probably has enough in bank now to last him and his family a lifetime and if VT is willing to give a new coach lets say, 2M ay ear for five years, thats 10M more in the bank.
And yes, there are coaches who are unhappy in current position and do like a challenges. Has nothing to do with being rational or not. Buzz is a different sort, so who knows what his priorities are right now.
Again, not an argument over Buzz, but VT is not that bad a place.
Where's VT18? He'll clear this all up.
Quote from: nyg on March 21, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Listen, I just threw out some facts about VaTech because some mentioned it as if it was a dirt pile. It is not.
Yes, the ACC is a major B-ball conference, above what the new BE is and is going to be in future.
Maybe it's not about money. Buzz probably has enough in bank now to last him and his family a lifetime and if VT is willing to give a new coach lets say, 2M ay ear for five years, thats 10M more in the bank.
And yes, there are coaches who are unhappy in current position and do like a challenges. Has nothing to do with being rational or not. Buzz is a different sort, so who knows what his priorities are right now.
Again, not an argument over Buzz, but VT is not that bad a place.
But, they've had random snipers, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 03:46:54 PM
But, they've had random snipers, aina?
But MU had Dahmer.
So if it's Monday does that give Cords enough time to lock up Chew? Or will he hire an agency to conduct a nationwide search?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 03:46:54 PM
But, they've had random snipers, aina?
Man, don't go there. Alot kids lost their lives. Jeez.....
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2014, 09:46:15 AM
I think you're correct Chicos. Just putting it out there that the perspective of too many "fans" is way to short (as in a few weeks, is my guess). I guess I am disappointed and have been for much of the season in the reaction of the "fans." Buzz bought a lot of leeway in my book, based upon what he has done at MU.
Expectations, for me, really don't factor into it a lot. Kind of like polls for elections. If the expectations are wrong, they are just wrong. Reality is what counts, as you know. Many of us knew what we had at the 1 and 2 positions going in and the issues. If one's expectations were wrong, then obviously they must adjust to reality, not the other way around.
Instead of being disappointed at the fans, maybe you should be disappointed at your idol, who did a poor job coaching this year.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
Any y'all trackin' aircraft activity between MKE and BCB?
Yup. More or less.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
So if it's Monday does that give Cords enough time to lock up Chew? Or will he hire an agency to conduct a nationwide search?
If Buzz does leave, I think there is a much better chance of Wardle being hired than Chew.
Not on specifically on the topic, but our conference is weak and think it will be a difficult to become a year in and year tier one conference. BE helped launch us to new heights and NBE might have opposite affect in the long haul.
C'mon man, is that where y'all are settin' your sights on, stiffs like Wardle and Chew?
If Brian Wardle was next coach that means the towel was thrown in. He is not ready for prime time and may never be ready for it.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
If Brian Wardle was next coach that means the towel was thrown in. He is not ready for prime time and may never be ready for it.
I agree, but Broeker likes him a lot.
I would prefer Chew...Seems like all the players really like him and he would probably keep most of the young talent around.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
Not on specifically on the topic, but our conference is weak and think it will be a difficult to become a year in and year tier one conference. BE helped launch us to new heights and NBE might have opposite affect in the long haul.
Yes. Teams have lots of personnel losses next year and some on the top will soon be some on the bottom. Believe everyone misses UCONN, Cuse, PITT, Loserville, ND, Cincy. Shame. The ACC is much better.
Quote from: JerseyWarrior on March 21, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
I agree, but Broeker likes him a lot.
It won't be his hire.
Have to get an established coach. Chew isn't at that level, neither is Wardle.
First of all Buzz is still here...but, Brian Wardle has no business even being discussed in same conversation as MU basketball head coach.
Quote from: Boone on March 21, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
W/Chris moving on, I don't know that Buzz has a particular fondness for any returnees that I had in previous years. Might make taking another job easier. Although, if he left after this year with a roster in flux and so many question marks, it wouldn't sit well.
"any particular fondness"? Did you just wake up? What do you call the love woody Buzz has for Derrick?
nyg
Exactly why I was not doing cartwheels on Wisconsin Ave when NBE was being discussed. Too many had short term view of the teams involved and did not look down the road. Under best conditions these group of schools can be decent conference...that is best it can be. Just waiting for someone to jump on the SLU to NBE bandwagon because they won a NCAA game again this season.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
If Brian Wardle was next coach that means the towel was thrown in. He is not ready for prime time and may never be ready for it.
Sure strange analysis. Wardle is not ready for prime time, but the hire of Buzz was?
Willie
Apples and oranges. Wardle is definitely not upper D1 ready and Buzz was probably not upper D1 ready. Picking Chew would be apples to apples in Buzz comparison. I can assure that Wardle will not be mentioned for ANY upper D1 jobs this year or anytime in future. Chew has a shot at guys looking at him at mid level jobs, and UWGB is not mid level.
I think Virginia Tech is a step down for Buzz, but for what it's worth, Paint Touches tweeted that they are hearing he has a lot of interest in the job. Usually Strotty and Andrei are well connected and that's what makes me nervous.
Guys,
If he goes to VA Tech nothing we can do about it. It means he does not want to be here and such is life. Going from MU to VT is more than messing with happy. Anyone can argue pro's and con's of VT but it is not a step up the bball chain by any stretch. If he bolts it means he wants out and not a career decision IMO.
VT can't pay Buzz. VT just fired Johnson and he made $800k (which is close to what MU pays Chew). Buzz currently makes $2.8M. VT might go to $1.4M to $1.8M, they don't have the money to pay Buzz plus the buyout. (If they pay Buzz $3M then the football coach, baseball coach and everyone else wants a raise).
Remember that VT will pay former coaches Seth Greenberg and Johnson $1.4 million next year. So they cannot shell out $4.2 $4.4 million for Bball. That is more than Duke pays K.
Further Buzz starts over recruiting. He does know that area and has no recruits from that area since Gardner. So shell out close to $10 with pay, old coaches pay and buyout for the next few season as Buzz figures out who to recruit in that area of the country. At least Bruce Pearl knows SEC country as he recruited it for Tenn.
Even Buzz knows he's screwed next year with DW at the point . ;)
Quote from: 4th and State on March 21, 2014, 04:23:10 PM
Even Buzz knows he's screwed next year with DW at the point . ;)
My only request is he takes his game changer with him!!!!
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
VT can't pay Buzz. VT just fired Johnson and he made $800k (which is close to what MU pays Chew). Buzz currently makes $2.8M. VT might go to $1.4M to $1.8M, they don't have the money to pay Buzz plus the buyout. (If they pay Buzz $3M then the football coach, baseball coach and everyone else wants a raise).
Remember that VT will pay former coaches Seth Greenberg and Johnson $1.4 million next year. So they cannot shell out $4.2 $4.4 million for Bball. That is more than Duke pays K.
Further Buzz starts over recruiting. He does know that area and has no recruits from that area since Gardner. So shell out close to $10 with pay, old coaches pay and buyout for the next few season as Buzz figures out who to recruit in that area of the country. At least Bruce Pearl knows SEC country as he recruited it for Tenn.
Sounds well and good but follow Occam's Razor in this case: the VTech AD just fired a guy after only two years who wasn't on probation and wasn't caught bedding his receptionist. Hokies don't need to do a search for candidates because they likely already have their next coach locked in.
Buzz' tenure at Marquette is over. And I'll bet much shorter than many here ever imagined.
All over Twitter
Coaches of other MU programs were discussing Buzz to VT today.
Was also told MU wasn't going to even try and persuade him to stay.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 21, 2014, 04:40:45 PM
Coaches of other MU programs were discussing Buzz to VT today.
Was also told MU wasn't going to even try and persuade him to stay.
Uhhhh..... what??
Guess that VT isn't that bad after all. The Bible Belt did it. Good luck.
He was not happy here. Question is why? The powers that be better have a legitimate explanation as to why. And if we hire Wardle as is rumored, I think a lot of us will lose our s***
Maybe the act got tired. Disappointed for sure, moreso as a sign where MU is at going forward. Conference and leadership questions, is there much more that matters in the big leagues? We have top money and facilities. Need a good hire.
Tommy Amaker.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
He was not happy here. Question is why? The powers that be better have a legitimate explanation as to why. And if we hire Wardle as is rumored, I think a lot of us will lose our s***
I'm not sure it's the powers that be that need to do the explaining...
That's what happens in a mid-major conference.
Guess we didn't want him any longer, hey? Just to get this out there, our new conference sucks sewer water.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
He was not happy here. Question is why? The powers that be better have a legitimate explanation as to why. And if we hire Wardle as is rumored, I think a lot of us will lose our s***
Probably because he was given everything that he wanted here. He didn't like that kind of player, but that is what he became.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PM
That's what happens in a mid-major conference.
......that he was unable to compete in with a bunch of 3-star and 4-star guys.
.... that you can't win even though the other coaches in the league think you have the best talent.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 05:03:50 PM
Guess we didn't want him any longer, hey? Just to get this out there, our new conference sucks sewer water.
And that's why he wanted out.
Was told Buzz absolutely hated the new conference.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 21, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
So can we crucify you when Buzz is still the coach next fall?
I really hate the clowns that come on here and do this every year. At some point I'll be smart enough to just ignore this board from the end of the season until September.
And where exactly do you think Buzz is going? Dont tell me VT! hahahahahaha
It's clear you're a fan bro, but don't talk stupid about stuff you know nothing about.
Brian Wardle?? Dude hasn't proven exceptional at either recruiting or coaching.
Not that it matters, but mayo ain't back next year. Print it.
I'd take that manhattan coach in a heartbeat
If this is true, something is seriously wrong at MU because it makes absolutely no sense. There are far better jobs than VT out there right now.
VT is a perennial ACC bottom dweller...it's a football school with a really old, nasty arena and zero history for the program. When UVA and UNC play there they usually have more fans in the stands than VT does.
With the addition of Cuse, Pitt and ND this year and Louisville next year, they will even be farther down the pecking order in the ACC.
Bennett has UVA relevant again and the elite recruits in VA will pick between UVA, UNC and dook like they always have and Shaka at VCU and U of Richmond get what's left.
Either Buzz was given a vote of no confidence or royally pissed someone off and wore out his welcome because this would be a really, really stupid move for any amount of money that VT could pay.
Has anyone ever seen Richard Shaw and Big Daddy on a message board AT THE SAME TIME!!??!! :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 21, 2014, 05:17:20 PM
If this is true, something is seriously wrong at MU because it makes absolutely no sense. There are far better jobs than VT out there right now.
VT is a perennial ACC bottom dweller...it's a football school with a really old, nasty arena and zero history for the program. When UVA and UNC play there they usually have more fans in the stands than VT does.
With the addition of Cuse, Pitt and ND this year and Louisville next year, they will even be farther down the pecking order in the ACC.
Bennett has UVA relevant again and the elite recruits in VA will pick between UVA, UNC and dook like they always have and Shaka at VCU and U of Richmond get what's left.
Either Buzz was given a vote of no confidence or royally pissed someone off and wore out his welcome because this would be a really, really stupid move for any amount of money that VT could pay.
AD quit because of buzz.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 21, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
And that's why he wanted out.
Was told Buzz absolutely hated the new conference.
A conference that he only finished in 6th place in?
So.. I don't know the definition of "Hiroshima" or even "Nagasaki"..
but would it be safe to say no president, no provost, no AD and no men's bball head coach fits?
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2014, 05:19:17 PM
Has anyone ever seen Richard Shaw and Big Daddy on a message board AT THE SAME TIME!!??!! :D :D :D :D :D
Flattered, bro. I don't know s*** - this one fell in my lap.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 21, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
And that's why he wanted out.
Was told Buzz absolutely hated the new conference.
Guess what? I hate it too. Fookin' mid major conference and that's all it'll ever be.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Not that it matters, but mayo ain't back next year. Print it.
Adios to him too.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Not that it matters, but mayo ain't back next year. Print it.
Because he wants to take another year off and be playing college basketball as a 35 (close enough) year old? Mayo is either back or is gone to play professionally. I'm leaning towards the former.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2014, 05:20:59 PM
So.. I don't know the definition of "Hiroshima" or even "Nagasaki"..
but would it be safe to say no president, no provost, no AD and no men's bball head coach fits?
Need to change our nickname to the Marquette Interims.
Bet ya Hill axs out too
Quote from: ODMU238 on March 21, 2014, 05:23:20 PM
Because he wants to take another year off and be playing college basketball as a 35 (close enough) year old? Mayo is either back or is gone to play professionally. I'm leaning towards the former.
Nope. Way more shady than that. It doesn't matter. That's all we need to know
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
Nope. Way more shady than that. It doesn't matter. That's all we need to know
Great. Buzz going to get us on probation too?
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 21, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
Nope. Way more shady than that. It doesn't matter. That's all we need to know
Please explain? Or, can I get a PM?
Sincerely doubt that. No knowledge there.
Props to RichardShaw, a lot of people shot your info down, but you had it first as far as I can tell.
Is Richard Shaw really Larry Williams?
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2014, 05:31:50 PM
Props to RichardShaw, a lot of people shot your info down, but you had it first as far as I can tell.
I'll eat crow on that.
Are we pronouncing Hiroshima as Hee-roe-shee-mah or Hi-roh-shi-mah?
Who is Fat Man in this? Who is Little Boy?
Quote from: mixINaWILSON on March 21, 2014, 03:39:04 PM
Go ahead and sticky my prediction. Announcement comes Monday.
Dude you blew the call !!! Announcement came today.... ;D
Asked in another post if the Buzz to VT was Hiroshima....guess this post starter was right on
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!
I actually feel sorry for the sunshine pumpers on here.....they will be missed during their hiatus