The worst record for MU since 2000-01 season, when we were 15-14. Thirteen years
We just went 17-15, losing the last 4 games in a row.
Just an utterly disappointing and frustrating season. Huge expectations for the season and a complete disaster.
Now let the obligatory slurps of the wunderkind, Buzz begin. Excuses first, followed by the platitudes.
Buzz Williams blew it big time this year.
Even more important--where is the program headed?
Hope this year was an "outlier" as some would say, but things do not look good for next year either, unless our Coach "pulls some rabbits out of the hole. Hopefully he can, because that is where he is right now.
And he absolutely needs to land Stone, or Hiroshima will visit the Board.
Marquette losing 4 in a row is being ignored? Please try and keep in mind they lost the last three by a total of 5 points and the 4th loss was to a potential No 1 seed, the same No 1 seed we earlier took to OT. That's a far cry from 2000-2001.
This season was just a bad season. I don't blame Vander for wanting to leave, but the season is really that simple: Vander would have been the difference in each close game.
It happens to all programs. Buzz will learn from this down tick and come back stronger and better.
Keep the faith.
I LOVE that a thread called "here's something that's being ignored" that has two posters, both of whom are on ignore.
Stone is possible if MU is buttering his bread right now.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 14, 2014, 06:46:24 AM
I LOVE that a thread called "here's something that's being ignored" that has two posters, both of whom are on ignore.
Yup--keep ignoring the facts--just the facts Ma'm.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 06:32:52 AM
The worst record for MU since 2000-01 season, when we were 15-14. Thirteen years
We just went 17-15, losing the last 4 games in a row.
Just an utterly disappointing and frustrating season. Huge expectations for the season and a complete disaster.
Now let the obligatory slurps of the wunderkind, Buzz begin. Excuses first, followed by the platitudes.
Buzz Williams blew it big time this year.
Even more important--where is the program headed?
Hope this year was an "outlier" as some would say, but things do not look good for next year either, unless our Coach "pulls some rabbits out of the hole. Hopefully he can, because that is where he is right now.
And he absolutely needs to land Stone, or Hiroshima will visit the Board.
It was a down year, I don't see how you can be so doom and gloom after the last two recruiting classes, and the possibility of Diamond Stone.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 14, 2014, 07:52:07 AM
It was a down year, I don't see how you can be so doom and gloom after the last two recruiting classes, and the possibility of Diamond Stone.
Still hopeful but also have many doubts. By the way, how have the last two recruiting classes worked out for us:
Du. Wilson: forced to sit for the year; JJJ: about 10 DNP's; Dawson: sits a lot; McKay: gone
St. Taylor: bounced around all year by Buzz,, only one left from that class.
Burton was a stud--only one that played much, and he was used poorly by Buzz. And if you are looking at next year's class, I do have hopes, but Buzz doesn't play those young kids--he is too hung up on "stories" like Otule, and De. Wilson, and so on.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Still hopeful but also have many doubts. By the way, how have the last two recruiting classes worked out for us:
Du. Wilson: forced to sit for the year; JJJ: about 10 DNP's; Dawson: sits a lot; McKay: gone
St. Taylor: bounced around all year by Buzz,, only one left from that class.
Burton was a stud--only one that played much, and he was used poorly by Buzz. And if you are looking at next year's class, I do have hopes, but Buzz doesn't play those young kids--he is too hung up on "stories" like Otule, and De. Wilson, and so on.
Duane Wilson wasn't "forced to sit", it was his decision as well. JJJ needs an offseason... freshman become sophomores. Dawson will see more time next year.
I wasn't referring to Taylor's recruiting class, but he wasn't healthy most of the year... he will play the lions share of the minutes down low next year.
There is a lot to look forward to.
The only thing being ignored is ww
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Still hopeful but also have many doubts. By the way, how have the last two recruiting classes worked out for us:
Du. Wilson: forced to sit for the year; JJJ: about 10 DNP's; Dawson: sits a lot; McKay: gone
St. Taylor: bounced around all year by Buzz,, only one left from that class.
Burton was a stud--only one that played much, and he was used poorly by Buzz. And if you are looking at next year's class, I do have hopes, but Buzz doesn't play those young kids--he is too hung up on "stories" like Otule, and De. Wilson, and so on.
It would indeed be a disappointment if we lost more of the phenomena recruiting class we had entering this year. Really can't lose more than McKay after the two classes ahead of this year's freshmen were disappointments. Even Burton's "played much" was six and a half minutes less than anyone else on the all-rookie team - though that is changing quickly.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 14, 2014, 06:41:28 AM
Marquette losing 4 in a row is being ignored? Please try and keep in mind they lost the last three by a total of 5 points and the 4th loss was to a potential No 1 seed, the same No 1 seed we earlier took to OT. That's a far cry from 2000-2001.
This season was just a bad season. I don't blame Vander for wanting to leave, but the season is really that simple: Vander would have been the difference in each close game.
It happens to all programs. Buzz will learn from this down tick and come back stronger and better.
Keep the faith.
I am not sure this team is drastically different with Vander this year. The weak spot in Vander's game was always his inability to consistently hit from the outside. With the way teams defended us this year (packing defenders into the paint), there is a good chance his ability to score by driving/slashing to the rim would have been taken away. If you want to argue that Vander would have gotten 20+ mpg running PG and stretching the floor (keeping defenses from packing it in), its possible that Marquette's season would have gone differently, but I'm not buying just the fact he wasn't around as the reason for the down year.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 06:32:52 AM
The worst record for MU since 2000-01 season, when we were 15-14. Thirteen years
We just went 17-15, losing the last 4 games in a row.
Just an utterly disappointing and frustrating season. Huge expectations for the season and a complete disaster.
Now let the obligatory slurps of the wunderkind, Buzz begin. Excuses first, followed by the platitudes.
Buzz Williams blew it big time this year.
Even more important--where is the program headed?
Hope this year was an "outlier" as some would say, but things do not look good for next year either, unless our Coach "pulls some rabbits out of the hole. Hopefully he can, because that is where he is right now.
And he absolutely needs to land Stone, or Hiroshima will visit the Board.
I was at MU during the 2000-01 year... trust me, there is very little similar to that year and this year. We struggled to compete in a bad Conference USA... this year we lost 4 conference OT/2OT games and had a touch non-conference schedule.
If Hiroshima visits this board again, you will be the one dropping the bomb.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 14, 2014, 08:07:59 AM
Duane Wilson wasn't "forced to sit", it was his decision as well. JJJ needs an offseason... freshman become sophomores. Dawson will see more time next year.
I wasn't referring to Taylor's recruiting class, but he wasn't healthy most of the year... he will play the lions share of the minutes down low next year.
There is a lot to look forward to.
Duane Wilson sat, we do not know why as we have not heard from him--only Buzz. JJJ sat-coach's decision. Taylor "wasn't healthy" according to Buzz, he then suddenly gets into a game does well, and then does not play for several--coach's decision. Who will Dawson see more time over next year? Mayo-no. Derrick-no. Will Buzz play Duane much next year? Not sure. We have no front line next year, until Fischer arrives--with rust. El Buzzo better turn the keys over to somebody other than Derrick next year, because that train has left the station. I am hopeful, but judging from what he did this year, I am doubtful.
Until we see that, not sure you can say a lot to look forward to.
Quote from: marqet4lyfe on March 14, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
I am not sure this team is drastically different with Vander this year. The weak spot in Vander's game was always his inability to consistently hit from the outside. With the way teams defended us this year (packing defenders into the paint), there is a good chance his ability to score by driving/slashing to the rim would have been taken away. If you want to argue that Vander would have gotten 20+ mpg running PG and stretching the floor (keeping defenses from packing it in), its possible that Marquette's season would have gone differently, but I'm not buying just the fact he wasn't around as the reason for the down year.
Vander's shot was greatly improved last year over the past, and given what he's been doing in the NBDL, there is little doubt he would have been able to knock down shots from the college line this year at least somewhat consistently. I don't think there is any way he wouldn't have made a huge difference, but he's not here so it really doesn't matter. To pretend he wouldn't have made a difference, however, ignores reality.
Next year we get back in Buzz's comfort zone with a guard focused team. I think being a forward focus team really threw him off and he didn't know how to build for it.
I am looking forward to next season. We will be dancing again IMHO
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 14, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Next year we get back in Buzz's comfort zone with a guard focused team. I think being a forward focus team really threw him off and he didn't know how to build for it.
I am looking forward to next season. We will be dancing again IMHO
This is a strange comment considering Buzz has beat the value of a "switchable" to death. I don't know how you can say he is comfortable with a guard focused team. His best players have been small forwards, DJO, Lazar, Jae, Jimmy. Guards have been a major problem with the program since Buzz got here, especially PG's. He needs to put together a better roster, especially finding skilled guards who are dynamic. I believe he has done that with the additions of Duane, JJJ, Ahmed, Dawson, etc....Just depends on how long it takes for the talent to see the court.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 06:32:52 AM
And he absolutely needs to land Stone, or Hiroshima will visit the Board.
Didn't realize you also go by "Hiroshima."
hiroshima will visit this board if buzz leaves at the end of the year. hate him all you want willie, but you've never offered a better solution. fact is he's been to the tourney every year, and has more post season success per year in D1 than your boy bo has had.
buzz did a poor job this year, but your comments are ridiculous.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 14, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Next year we get back in Buzz's comfort zone with a guard focused team. I think being a forward focus team really threw him off and he didn't know how to build for it.
I am looking forward to next season. We will be dancing again IMHO
I agree. They will fighting for a tourney spot in the last couple weeks and will get it done.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 14, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Next year we get back in Buzz's comfort zone with a guard focused team. I think being a forward focus team really threw him off and he didn't know how to build for it.
I am looking forward to next season. We will be dancing again IMHO
Wow....you give Buzz a 'pass' on not knowing what to do with a center and two forwards....
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 14, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Next year we get back in Buzz's comfort zone with a guard focused team. I think being a forward focus team really threw him off and he didn't know how to build for it.
I am looking forward to next season. We will be dancing again IMHO
Thought Buzz was "outstanding" in developing his offense to the talents of his players. He should have a comfort zone with any focus if he is a stud coach. Not sure his comfort zone is as you stated. He had Lazar as a focus who was more a forward. He had Butler and Crowder as focuses who were forwards. Face it, he fared better when he had competent PG's, along with good forwards.--not with Derrick.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 12:27:42 PM
Thought Buzz was "outstanding" in developing his offense to the talents of his players. He should have a comfort zone with any focus if he is a stud coach. Not sure his comfort zone is as you stated. He had Lazar as a focus who was more a forward. He had Butler and Crowder as focuses who were forwards. Face it, he fared better when he had competent PG's, along with good forwards.--not with Derrick.
Lazar, Jae and Jimmy were all NBA draft picks, with 2 of the 3 currently doing very well in the league. Jamil will not be drafted. But yeah -- Lazar, Jae and Jimmy were drafted beacuse of Acker/Cadougan, and Jamil won't be drafted because of Derrick.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 06:32:52 AM
The worst record for MU since 2000-01 season, when we were 15-14. Thirteen years
We just went 17-15, losing the last 4 games in a row.
Just an utterly disappointing and frustrating season. Huge expectations for the season and a complete disaster.
Now let the obligatory slurps of the wunderkind, Buzz begin. Excuses first, followed by the platitudes.
Buzz Williams blew it big time this year.
Even more important--where is the program headed?
Hope this year was an "outlier" as some would say, but things do not look good for next year either, unless our Coach "pulls some rabbits out of the hole. Hopefully he can, because that is where he is right now.
And he absolutely needs to land Stone, or Hiroshima will visit the Board.
If you had it your way, would you fire Buzz this year?
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on March 14, 2014, 08:11:07 AM
The only thing being ignored is ww
Seriously. I'm far from a troll. Surprised to hear I'm on ignore for someone. Oh well.
Quote from: marqet4lyfe on March 14, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
I am not sure this team is drastically different with Vander this year. The weak spot in Vander's game was always his inability to consistently hit from the outside. With the way teams defended us this year (packing defenders into the paint), there is a good chance his ability to score by driving/slashing to the rim would have been taken away. If you want to argue that Vander would have gotten 20+ mpg running PG and stretching the floor (keeping defenses from packing it in), its possible that Marquette's season would have gone differently, but I'm not buying just the fact he wasn't around as the reason for the down year.
Vander's D and points in tradition would have been good for at least 2-5 points a game over Jake. And I like Jake, great shooter. But Vander is essentially an NBA caliber player.
I don't think Blue would have blown up into the MVP of the league, but he probably would have had a year like his junior one, which was superior to everyone else combined who was trotted out into that position this year.
Quote from: LAZER on March 14, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
If you had it your way, would you fire Buzz this year?
No, but he would know that it was unacceptable and must not continue.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 14, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
Seriously. I'm far from a troll. Surprised to hear I'm on ignore for someone. Oh well.
I noticed that, too. Commons is one of the more discerning members of this community. I guess you can't please everyone.
Quote from: keefe on March 14, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
I noticed that, too. Commons is one of the more discerning members of this community. I guess you can't please everyone.
Thanks. You're kind words calmed a creeping anxiety that I was an Internet troll and just didn't know it yet. You are (literally) an officer and a gentleman.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 14, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
Thanks. You're kind words calmed a creeping anxiety that I was an Internet troll and just didn't know it yet. You are (literally) an officer and a gentleman.
But you didn't even merit a cartoon from the New Yorker >:(
Quote from: brandx on March 14, 2014, 02:24:47 PM
But you didn't even merit a cartoon from the New Yorker >:(
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Quote from: keefe on March 14, 2014, 04:09:31 PM
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Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2014, 10:47:40 AM
Duane Wilson sat, we do not know why as we have not heard from him--only Buzz. JJJ sat-coach's decision. Taylor "wasn't healthy" according to Buzz, he then suddenly gets into a game does well, and then does not play for several--coach's decision. Who will Dawson see more time over next year? Mayo-no. Derrick-no. Will Buzz play Duane much next year? Not sure. We have no front line next year, until Fischer arrives--with rust. El Buzzo better turn the keys over to somebody other than Derrick next year, because that train has left the station. I am hopeful, but judging from what he did this year, I am doubtful.
Until we see that, not sure you can say a lot to look forward to.
I have to agree that next year's success may depend on the role of guys like Derrick Wilson & Juan Anderson. If they're getting a bunch of minutes I don't think we're in a very good place. I really like Derrick. He's tough, no-nonsense, and a hard worker. But I have to imagine that even DWil may believe he's better suited as a backup. We're going to need more minutes from the youth next year. Duane has been preparing all year so I think he will be ready to start at some point early next season if Buzz gives him the chance. Worried about that too.
So Willie, when do you think you'll be turning the page on this season?
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 14, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
I have to agree that next year's success may depend on the role of guys like Derrick Wilson & Juan Anderson. If they're getting a bunch of minutes I don't think we're in a very good place. I really like Derrick. He's tough, no-nonsense, and a hard worker. But I have to imagine that even DWil may believe he's better suited as a backup. We're going to need more minutes from the youth next year. Duane has been preparing all year so I think he will be ready to start at some point early next season if Buzz gives him the chance. Worried about that too.
Is it over yet? Is there an off season? Do players receive development instructions for the off season from the Coach? We are one over on scholies for next year, who will the Buzzcut be? Does recruiting end? Do we need Stone? Who will be PG next year? Where will we pick up the slack for our lost front line? Are these not concerns to talk about?
Perhaps you want to forget about Buzz's poor decisions made this year. Most everybody wants to give him a mulligan. There are plenty of issues to be concerned about going forward. When Buzz lands Stone, along with some of the other recruits coming in, we can then turn the page. I have big concerns about performance next year. Those issues need to be addressed over next several months. Hope Buzz is camping on Stone's front lawn.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 14, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
Seriously. I'm far from a troll. Surprised to hear I'm on ignore for someone. Oh well.
Unless you also are Willie Warrior, you are not being ignored, at least by me. I think you misread my post, AC.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on March 15, 2014, 09:19:34 AM
Unless you also are Willie Warrior, you are not being ignored, at least by me. I think you misread my post, AC.
I know. Thanks.
I was referring to Utile et Dulce's post above.