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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NersEllenson on March 08, 2014, 10:04:25 AM
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Had to do it...this one play shows a ton of creativity, talent, skill - hard to coach this kind of thing - either a player has it, or doesn't. Will never understand why more guys can't seem to execute the jump stop/hop you see here to clear space and get into a good shot...JD could get this shot consistently and it would do wonders for the team...plays like this are why I've been so bullish on him..shows a great feel for game...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOc-PfH4IZM
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Had to do it...this one play shows a ton of creativity, talent, skill - hard to coach this kind of thing - either a player has it, or doesn't. Will never understand why more guys can't seem to execute the jump stop/hop you see here to clear space and get into a good shot...JD could get this shot consistently and it would do wonders for the team...plays like this are why I've been so bullish on him..shows a great feel for game...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOc-PfH4IZM
To Ners:
Stop it Ners...just stop.
Signed With Regards,
Buzz Williams
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Gotta pace yourself, Ners - Derrick has another year.
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I'm not on the "Awesome Dawson" bandwagon yet. I think you may be evaluating him compared to Derrick, and colored by many of the other high level point guards we've played against. Not to say he doesn't have potential, but I need to see more production before I jump on. (Of course if he gets 25+ minutes today...)
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So... Ners is jumping on the Dawson bandwagon :P
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I'm back on the ignore NER's bandwagon.
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I'm back on the ignore NER's bandwagon.
Sorry it was so offensive to you to upload a video that illustrates the nice talent Dawson has..that has been underutilized all year.
Sensitive much?
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12 is that bad that we have been reduced to clamoring for a PG that isn't just quite ready yet.
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Is Dawson's freshman year better than Derrick's?
I think so and it could be better if Dawson gets more minutes, but not many games remain.
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Is Dawson's freshman year better than Derrick's?
I think so and it could be better if Dawson gets more minutes, but not many games remain.
Sad thing is derricks freshman year was better than his junior year
At least he played the amount he should and couldn't derail a team.
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Sweet move by JD there. Have a chance to take a lead, turn it over, they go to the line and get 2.
This is seriously a thread asking for more playing time for a person based on one play? Jesus! There are some NUTS on this site! I'll go find Dylan Flood's highlight film from high school and see him hit some big time outside shots. Does that mean he should get more time on this team?!
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Sweet move by JD there. Have a chance to take a lead, turn it over, they go to the line and get 2.
This is seriously a thread asking for more playing time for a person based on one play? Jesus! There are some NUTS on this site! I'll go find Dylan Flood's highlight film from high school and see him hit some big time outside shots. Does that mean he should get more time on this team?!
Yes. Yes there are.
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If he played 25 mins against this defense he'd have 25 turnovers.
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Sorry it was so offensive to you to upload a video that illustrates the nice talent Dawson has..that has been underutilized all year.
Sensitive much?
Nice potential, not ready yet against any team who can play tight man to man. Today in a minute and a half he's given St John's 5 points.
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Cue NER's with a GIF of Dawson successfully getting the ball past mid-court. My position hasn't changed. Dawson is better than I thought he was going to be, he has made great progress, but he is not the best PG on the team, or the one who give MU the best chance to win. For now.
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Cue NER's with a GIF of Dawson successfully getting the ball past mid-court. My position hasn't changed. Dawson is better than I thought he was going to be, he has made great progress, but he is not the best PG on the team, or the one who give MU the best chance to win. For now.
Well, let's stick with Derrick who has shown no ability to improve. I would prefer the guy who could at least potentially help on offense and not be a liability. He has a couple of to's today, big deal. What has Derrick done that's been so great today?
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Nm
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Mistakes and turn overs all around by juniors and seniors as well .....The Diff .... juniors and seniors don't get yanked for theirs!!!
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Mistakes and turn overs all around by juniors and seniors as well .....The Diff .... juniors and seniors don't get yanked for theirs!!!
+10000
Longest leash on the team has gone to a guy that has done virtually nothing offensively for the ENTIRE season.
Shouldn't Derrick get yanked for missing his 2 FT's?? I mean they call them "free" throws...talk about unforced error...coming when game is at complete standstill..
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+10000
Longest leash on the team has gone to a guy that has done virtually nothing offensively for the ENTIRE season.
Shouldn't Derrick get yanked for missing his 2 FT's?? I mean they call them "free" throws...talk about unforced error...coming when game is at complete standstill..
When the season is over and Buzz is analyzing the numbers, I would like to hear him defend Derrick's production (or lack of).
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Mistakes and turn overs all around by juniors and seniors as well .....The Diff .... juniors and seniors don't get yanked for theirs!!!
Exactly!! When you play 90 seconds and keep getting a quick hook, how can you get into a rhythm? How about when Derrick misses his ft's, he gets put on the bench for a little while. It's a double standard.
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Mistakes and turn overs all around by juniors and seniors as well .....The Diff .... juniors other than Todd Mayo till 8 games ago and looks what's happened with Todd's gameand seniors don't get yanked for theirs!!!
Fixed slightly...Buzz used to do the same thing to Todd all last year, and then up until 8 games ago this season. I've always argued he had Todd on way too short of leash and was totally not getting his full value/potential due to the short leash. The last 8 games prove that beyond a shadow of the doubt. Hope he learns.
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+10000
Longest leash on the team has gone to a guy that has done virtually nothing offensively for the ENTIRE season.
Shouldn't Derrick get yanked for missing his 2 FT's?? I mean they call them "free" throws...talk about unforced error...coming when game is at complete standstill..
Burton went 1-4. Not defending either of their poor FT shooting.
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Burton went 1-4. Not defending either of their poor FT shooting.
Think Burton is shooting north of 43% from FT line and scores the ball at a high rate, and steals and blocks shots at a much higher rate than the other player in question.
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Does anyone really believe that JD would have had 9 assists and no more TOs if he would have gotten 46 additional minutes? When St Johns plays man to man with their length and quickness the game is simply too fast for John to deal with. The first (only?) thing Buzz (and anyone else with a basketball IQ higher than 10) would do in retrospect today would be take JD's 90 seconds away from him. They were a major contributor to our loss.
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If game ready is the issue then play your freshmen in the games where the lead was large and let them gain experience then there's no question ... i do believe that young Dawson has proven when given huge minutes he produces .... Each chance he's been given ...3 for 3 ... i like derrick too busy believe he gets tired like today and still you don't play a capable PG ... not young Dawson s fault
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Mistakes and turn overs all around by juniors and seniors as well .....The Diff .... juniors and seniors don't get yanked for theirs!!!
+ 100,000,000
I love Buzz, but he has done this throughout his tenure at MU.
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Does anyone really believe that JD would have had 9 assists and no more TOs if he would have gotten 46 additional minutes? When St Johns plays man to man with their length and quickness the game is simply too fast for John to deal with. The first (only?) thing Buzz (and anyone else with a basketball IQ higher than 10) would do in retrospect today would be take JD's 90 seconds away from him. They were a major contributor to our loss.
Give me a break. One series for a guy playing 90 second was NOT a major contributor to today's loss.
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Does anyone really believe that JD would have had 9 assists and no more TOs if he would have gotten 46 additional minutes? When St Johns plays man to man with their length and quickness the game is simply too fast for John to deal with. The first (only?) thing Buzz (and anyone else with a basketball IQ higher than 10) would do in retrospect today would be take JD's 90 seconds away from him. They were a major contributor to our loss.
Look...Derrick was plenty shaky against the tight man to man as well...Dawson made a turnover being aggressive going to the basket...got tied up/stripped....happens to Mayo, Jamil, Derrick a few times a game...Dawson made the other turnover passing to Todd on perimeter..defender jumped lane well...Derrick had similar turnover in 1st half.
How do you build a players confidence when he gets yanked after 1 mistake? How is a guy supposed to play loose? What I do know, is that Dawson if given 48 minutes would have scored 10+ points if not 15+.....
The first thing anyone with a 10+ Basketball IQ would acknowledge is that it wouldn't get any worse with Dawson at PG and his upside is a lot better and he more than Derrick is the future of the position/program.
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I agree with DDawson in principle, and Buzz did give the frosh lots of run in the cupcake portion of season. There haven't been any blowouts in league play, however. Again, I like Dawson. To me, he has been one of the pleasant surprises of the year. I think that clearly, his long term upside far exceeds Derrick Wilson. I simply haven't seen that he gives MU the best chance to win, night in and night out. Not this season.
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Give me a break. One series for a guy playing 90 second was NOT a major contributor to today's loss.
In a double OT 1 point loss how can you say that a guy who handed the opponents 5 points and made the play that resulted in one of Todd's 5 fouls while doing absolutely nothing even remotely positive wasn't a major contributor to the final outcome?
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Look...Derrick was plenty shaky against the tight man to man as well...Dawson made a turnover being aggressive going to the basket...got tied up/stripped....happens to Mayo, Jamil, Derrick a few times a game...Dawson made the other turnover passing to Todd on perimeter..defender jumped lane well...Derrick had similar turnover in 1st half.
How do you build a players confidence when he gets yanked after 1 mistake? How is a guy supposed to play loose? What I do know, is that Dawson if given 48 minutes would have scored 10+ points if not 15+.....
The first thing anyone with a 10+ Basketball IQ would acknowledge is that it wouldn't get any worse with Dawson at PG and his upside is a lot better and he more than Derrick is the future of the position/program.
Here's the thing, Derrick played 47 minutes and you are pointing every single turnover Derrick had right there. Dawson played ninety seconds and had those turnovers. You are absolutely clueless.
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Cue NER's with a GIF of Dawson successfully getting the ball past mid-court. My position hasn't changed. Dawson is better than I thought he was going to be, he has made great progress, but he is not the best PG on the team, or the one who give MU the best chance to win. For now.
I don't know if Dawson will be a good player or not. But I have honestly come to believe that we would be a better team if he led the team in minutes rather than Derrick.
And why do I believe that? Because the PROOF is there that were are not very good with Derrick. I don't think we could be worse without him.
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I think that if Buzz had quit on this season, Dawson would have gotten more minutes. But that isn't Buzz's nature.
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I hope like heck that we have a PG better than Derrick or Dawson next season.
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I don't know if Dawson will be a good player or not. But I have honestly come to believe that we would be a better team if he led the team in minutes rather than Derrick.
And why do I believe that? Because the PROOF is there that were are not very good with Derrick. I don't think we could be worse without him.
The total lack of logical thinking in this post scares me. Please tell me you're joking, you mistyped or you didn't go to MU.
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The total lack of logical thinking in this post scares me. Please tell me you're joking, you mistyped or you didn't go to MU.
What is illogical? So we are a good team this year?
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Think Burton is shooting north of 43% from FT line and scores the ball at a high rate, and steals and blocks shots at a much higher rate than the other player in question.
That's all true. But that's not the original point you were trying to make. You were saying Derrick should get pulled d/t his poor FT shooting. Deonte had poor FT shooting as well.
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The total lack of logical thinking in this post scares me. Please tell me you're joking, you mistyped or you didn't go to MU.
The point is that we were not going to make the tournament and we knew it in January. There was no reason not to try something else. 30+ minutes of Derrick every game is not going to be successful. You know that and I know that. But John has shown that the game is not too big for him. Growing pains - sure. But would his growing pains produce worse results that what Derrick did? Maybe, but I doubt it. I won't go into the stats because you already know what they will show.
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I disagree with the premise that it was known in January that MU wasn't going to make the tourney. It was known that MU would have to step up, but that is normal under Buzz.
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The point is that we were not going to make the tournament and we knew it in January. There was no reason not to try something else. 30+ minutes of Derrick every game is not going to be successful. You know that and I know that. But John has shown that the game is not too big for him. Growing pains - sure. But would his growing pains produce worse results that what Derrick did? Maybe, but I doubt it. I won't go into the stats because you already know what they will show.
This is very different to what you originally posted. I don't totally agree with it (I hadn't given up on the tournament in early January) but at least it's logical if one accepts your premises.
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I agree with DDawson in principle, and Buzz did give the frosh lots of run in the cupcake portion of season. There haven't been any blowouts in league play, however. Again, I like Dawson. To me, he has been one of the pleasant surprises of the year. I think that clearly, his long term upside far exceeds Derrick Wilson. I simply haven't seen that he gives MU the best chance to win, night in and night out. Not this season.
You may find your answer here:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42467.0
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I disagree with the premise that it was known in January that MU wasn't going to make the tourney. It was known that MU would have to step up, but that is normal under Buzz.
You are right, it was known on December 21, against New Mexco, that this team wasn't going to make the tourney. How many teams get an at-large bid without a single non-conference quality win? Sure they could've won the Big East regular season or BET(still can). But no one who looked at this team objectively thought they would make the tourney after that New Mexico game. The writing was on the wall for this team after the Ohio State game. Big changes needed to be made then, they weren't, these are the results.
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Here's the thing, Derrick played 47 minutes and you are pointing every single turnover Derrick had right there. Dawson played ninety seconds and had those turnovers. You are absolutely clueless.
LOL - Clueless as acting as if things would get worse with Dawson....but...if you are sincerely interested in getting a clue...visit here:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42467.0
I await your logical and well thought out rebuttal...
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I disagree with the premise that it was known in January that MU wasn't going to make the tourney. It was known that MU would have to step up, but that is normal under Buzz.
It was evident to anyone with a shred of a basketball IQ that if a major change wasn't made at PG...we weren't going to be very good...and many of us wanted to see the freshman unleashed at that time as they would have been a lot better at this point having gotten all the game experience...and that might have been enough to help us win the BET tourney...and if not...at least they got their feet wet with game speed action, and experience...which you simply cannot replicate in practice.
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Derrick sucked last year. It was obvious before the season that if he was our main PG then this team would be bad. It's incredible we won 17 games this year with him leading the team in minutes played.
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In a double OT 1 point loss how can you say that a guy who handed the opponents 5 points and made the play that resulted in one of Todd's 5 fouls while doing absolutely nothing even remotely positive wasn't a major contributor to the final outcome?
Because Dawson sat on the pine for the last 40+ minutes of the game! There are always swings in games. an how about if Mayo was moving toward the ball when Dawson passed it to him in stead of waiting for it to get to him? Maybe the St. John's guy wouldn't have picked it off?
It is just a ridiculous argument to be blaming a guy who play 90 second around the 5 minute mark in the first half as a "major contributor" to why MU lost. How many points did the guys who played 30+ hand to St. John's with their mistakes?