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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Coleman on March 06, 2014, 05:01:21 PM
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I have to give a lot of credit to MUScoop for getting me into single malt scotch. I appreciated the info everyone supplied for a beginner.
In a similar way, I am starting to research watches. I know a little, but I don't even know exactly what I want yet. FWIW, I own an Invicta quartz watch, was about $100. Its fine, but I'd like to get something a little nicer.
I'm not exactly sure of my price range yet, but the top top line Patek Philippe, Rolex, etc., are probably out of my price range. I'm thinking <$1,000....for now at least. Maybe I'll step up my game in a few more years ;)
I am attracted to mechanical watches, although some of the quartz watches look pretty decent. Among quartz, it looks like Seiko and Citizen are two of the better brands.
What are some of the better brands of Swiss mechanical watches a tier below the very top of the line? Can you buy a decent one for under a grand? Is it even worth buying something middle of the road, or should I stay at $100 watches until I can afford to spend a couple grand?
Any other insight would be helpful.
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I wore less expensive Tag Huers until I could afford an Omega Seamaster(which James Bond copied me by wearing) Tags are good quality and stylish as well
wouldn't go back to batteries again.
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Check it out:
http://www.worldofwatches.com/
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I wore less expensive Tag Huers until I could afford an Omega Seamaster(which James Bond copied me by wearing) Tags are good quality and stylish as well
wouldn't go back to batteries again.
As far as mechanical goes, do you have winding or automatic?
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i, too, have an affection for wrist watches and have done very well at jewelers dealing in estate and vintage watches. I have found Cartier, Gucci, IWC, and Rolex models that way as well as Porsche Design. I like to wear a Tissot TT3 on a daily basis as it is durable and relatively inexpensive, and doesn't require constant resetting when taken out of the drawer.
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(http://d3e2hj6q1cbgk3.cloudfront.net/uvcs4r/iconicgraphite01.jpg)
This is the watch I own. I hardly ever wear one since its not the 20th century. I just wear it when it looks nice.
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I am so attuned to wearing one from years of doing so that I feel naked when I forget to put one on in the morning. Years ago I wore one day and night, swimming, water-skiing, showering, sleeping for about 11 years. I finally cracked the crystal on an iced toboggan run, rubbing it against the wooden siderails. I plan to have it restored in May.
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I thought there was a thread on this...
Invictas look good but come on...they're almost always on sale at Amazon as a Daily Deal.
Plus I have read on some watch message boards that they're customer service isn't great.
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Wow, a watch thread NOT started by a spammer!
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I thought there was a thread on this...
Invictas look good but come on...they're almost always on sale at Amazon as a Daily Deal.
Plus I have read on some watch message boards that they're customer service isn't great.
I admitted I'm a newbie. I like my Invicta but I recognize I could probably do better in a business setting. Hence me starting this thread!
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As far as mechanical goes, do you have winding or automatic?
Mine requires artful and elegant wrist movments
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My son-in-law is a big fan of mechanical movement watches and finds some very nice pieces on the internet. He also buys older , non working pieces mostly from estate sales and repairs / restores them as a hobby.
He recently purchased a vintage Hamilton ( American movement) watch on the internet from Australia and gave it to me as a gift.
Check out the inscription on the back!
1965 was a little bit before my time at MU, but now I am very curious to find out the history behind this watch.
If any MUSCOOPERS can help me with suggestions or info, I would greatly appreciate it
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Check it out:
http://www.worldofwatches.com/
how does that site have such lower prices compared to brand website or even macy's, etc?
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you can find PRN most week days down in the Loop with a trenchcoat and some killer deals.
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you can find PRN most week days down in the Loop with a trenchcoat and some killer deals.
I used to buy watches especially for my kids on the on trips to Asia. So they lasted 6 months, but they adult ones looked decent and the kids ones only cost $1.00 so why not. I'm still mad at myself for not buying one just for the lifetime comedic value. There was a kids watch and the wrist band was printed with the not-quite Disney classic "Snow White and the Seven Wharfs". I just picured a Star Trek tie-in.
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I thought there was a thread on this...
Invictas look good but come on...they're almost always on sale at Amazon as a Daily Deal.
Plus I have read on some watch message boards that they're customer service isn't great.
They're such things as watch message boards and you've admitted to visiting them? Wow, the internet never seems to fail
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They're such things as watch message boards and you've admitted to visiting them? Wow, the internet never seems to fail
MUScoop is my one stop shop for beer, scotch, watches, etc.
All other message boards pale in comparison to Scoopdome.
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When given the choice, always opt for an automatic (not an "automatic quartz" or "electronic automatic"... it has to be fully mechanical). But I don't care what brand of watch you buy, if it doesn't say "Swiss Made," then you might as well be mixing your single malt with diet Coke. The Swiss make the best watches, which puts us red-blooded Americans in quite the pickle... or does it?
One word: Hamilton. An iconic American brand now owned by Swatch Group (who bought Hamilton in 1971, so their watches all bear the 'Swiss Made' label). It's truly the best from both worlds for the discriminating yank. I've bought one for each of my children who've turned 1, which means I'll be buying another one soon... since they're very reasonable price-wise, it doesn't have to hurt the pocketbook (lowest priced models start around $600-700 retail, which means you can be successful haggling for one in the $400s at the right store).
Hamilton is the watch brand that very few people have heard of, yet nearly everyone in America has seen one on the silver screen at some point...
(http://montre24.com/postimages/1301235579_MovieHistoryElvis.jpg)
(http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2013/12/images/640_space-pilot-watch.jpg)
(http://watchesinmovies.info/img/f/OceansEleven-Luminox1.jpg)
(The top one, not the Luminox)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_91tP9lChWWQ/Sx0wzDnLcFI/AAAAAAAAB6k/Ve0MBIz6MqE/s320/Will+Smith+Ventura+Chrono+Men+in+Black.jpg)
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I'm a huge fan of my Citizen Skyhawk Eco-Drive watch.
http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-JY0050-55L-Skyhawk-Titanium-Eco-Drive/dp/B001QFYKTA/ref=sr_1_6?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394205382&sr=1-6 (http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-JY0050-55L-Skyhawk-Titanium-Eco-Drive/dp/B001QFYKTA/ref=sr_1_6?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394205382&sr=1-6)
I tend to buy watches though that look good in a work environment but are functional for my activities like flying and diving
http://www.klepsoo.com/en/timex/profondimetro-t2n812.html?reffr=FRGL&utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=catalog&forzanazione=US&utm_campaign=Froogle-US&gclid=CNO87__cgL0CFbQWMgoddUEAjg (http://www.klepsoo.com/en/timex/profondimetro-t2n812.html?reffr=FRGL&utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=catalog&forzanazione=US&utm_campaign=Froogle-US&gclid=CNO87__cgL0CFbQWMgoddUEAjg)
It really just depends on how much you actual use the watch....9 times out of 10 people only recognize the brand and not the quality of the watch so keep that in mind before you go overboard
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Any opinions on Movado?
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When given the choice, always opt for an automatic (not an "automatic quartz" or "electronic automatic"... it has to be fully mechanical). But I don't care what brand of watch you buy, if it doesn't say "Swiss Made," then you might as well be mixing your single malt with diet Coke. The Swiss make the best watches, which puts us red-blooded Americans in quite the pickle... or does it?
One word: Hamilton. An iconic American brand now owned by Swatch Group (who bought Hamilton in 1971, so their watches all bear the 'Swiss Made' label). It's truly the best from both worlds for the discriminating yank. I've bought one for each of my children who've turned 1, which means I'll be buying another one soon... since they're very reasonable price-wise, it doesn't have to hurt the pocketbook (lowest priced models start around $600-700 retail, which means you can be successful haggling for one in the $400s at the right store).
Hamilton is the watch brand that very few people have heard of, yet nearly everyone in America has seen one on the silver screen at some point...
(http://montre24.com/postimages/1301235579_MovieHistoryElvis.jpg)
(http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2013/12/images/640_space-pilot-watch.jpg)
(http://watchesinmovies.info/img/f/OceansEleven-Luminox1.jpg)
(The top one, not the Luminox)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_91tP9lChWWQ/Sx0wzDnLcFI/AAAAAAAAB6k/Ve0MBIz6MqE/s320/Will+Smith+Ventura+Chrono+Men+in+Black.jpg)
I am actually looking at Hamiltons right now. Mechanical automatics as you suggested.
I'm considering buying a gold plated vintage one with a leather strap. It was recommended as a great starter business watch for someone in their late 20s.
Ones in good shape from the 60s and 70s can be had on ebay for $500-$800. Although I am always a bit leery of ebay.
Also was looking at used TAG Heuers, but I think I like the Hamiltons better.
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My son-in-law is a big fan of mechanical movement watches and finds some very nice pieces on the internet. He also buys older , non working pieces mostly from estate sales and repairs / restores them as a hobby.
He recently purchased a vintage Hamilton ( American movement) watch on the internet from Australia and gave it to me as a gift.
Check out the inscription on the back!
1965 was a little bit before my time at MU, but now I am very curious to find out the history behind this watch.
If any MUSCOOPERS can help me with suggestions or info, I would greatly appreciate it
It looks like the Boulton II watch. Swatch still makes the line today, but the Boulton was Hamilton's most popular watch from the 1940s through the 1960s, and perhaps was the most popular watch in the nation during a period of that time. The Boulton II has the 770 movement; at the time the 770 was regarded as one of the best manual-wind movements in the world, so you've got a solid piece there. Unfortunately, due to the popularity of the watch, it's not exactly a priceless collector's item, but that inscription is awesome.
You can typically date the Boulton by the factory markings/inscription on the back of the case, but in this case, the custom inscription has pretty much done that for you, so no questions there.
As to Mr. Parker... I'm going to have to leave that to the sweater-vest crowd here.
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Benny...thoughts?
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-H70555523-Khaki-Field-Automatic/dp/B006GCP33K/ref=lp_5777494011_1_14?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394206825&sr=1-14
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Jazzmaster-Black-Leather-H32505731/dp/B0085RLW4S/ref=sr_1_73?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394206975&sr=1-73
Fair prices?
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Start by educating yourself. I highly recommend reading Hodinkee. Benjamin Clymer knows his stuff. The blog has a lot of information regarding brands and reviews. If nothing else, you can use it to look at aesthetics and figure out what you like or do not like.
http://www.hodinkee.com/ (http://www.hodinkee.com/)
Here is another helpful guide that GQ put together. Again, there will definitely be some items out of the price range, but it should help point you in a direction you like.
http://www.gq.com/style/style-manual/201206/watches-vintage-chronometers#slide=1 (http://www.gq.com/style/style-manual/201206/watches-vintage-chronometers#slide=1)
You can definitely find a great watch under $1000
Some other brands to check out:
Victorinox has a lot of options and price points. Classic options at a reasonable price point. Check out their website below and amazon.
http://www.victorinox.com/us/content/timepieces/category/3 (http://www.victorinox.com/us/content/timepieces/category/3)
Shinola. Made in the USA (if you're into that kind of thing). Brand is definitely trending upward and they also make a number of other nice items. Note that the case on these watches is relatively large.
http://www.shinola.com/shop/watches.html (http://www.shinola.com/shop/watches.html)
Tsovet. The brand has aeronautical inspired watches. Similar to Bell & Ross but much less expensive. Note that most of these also have a large case size.
https://www.tsovet.com/ (https://www.tsovet.com/)
Nixon. the brand may be a little young. Lots of variations, color, and options.
http://www.nixon.com/us/en/mens/watches/ (http://www.nixon.com/us/en/mens/watches/)
Good luck.
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My wife gave me a Klaus-Kobec that she saw advertised on the back of the National Geographic magazine 25 years ago, and paid $125.
I wear it everywhere, and regularly get complimented on it by "watch" people, until they realize that it's a cheapo.
Here is another watch forum that you might find useful: http://forums.watchuseek.com/forum.php
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check out shinola. made in detroit. very cool.
http://shop.nordstrom.com/sr?origin=PredictiveSearch&contextualcategoryid=2375500&keyword=shinola
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Benny...thoughts?
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-H70555523-Khaki-Field-Automatic/dp/B006GCP33K/ref=lp_5777494011_1_14?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394206825&sr=1-14
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Jazzmaster-Black-Leather-H32505731/dp/B0085RLW4S/ref=sr_1_73?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1394206975&sr=1-73
Fair prices?
Ignore the list price. Hamilton's "soft" pricing - that just about every dealer should honor - is roughly 20% off list; anything beyond that is up to the dealer (they might tell you that no dealer can sell below X%, but that would merely be a sales tactic). In any event, you can get the Khaki just about anywhere for $500 + tax, and perhaps even less if you're willing to negotiate.
The Amazon price seems fair, but the question really boils down to whether you'd pay an extra $70 to be able to a) see and feel the watch before you buy it and b) purchase from an authorized dealer.
When you buy online, any warranty you get is a "seller's" warranty (not the mfg's warranty), and personally, I wouldn't make a major purchase like this unless I knew the mfg was going to stand behind it... you could get a brand new watch in stellar condition that works forever, or you might end up with a remanufactured watch or a genuine case with a counterfeit movement. If you know the e-seller and they have a good reputation, go for it... but I wouldn't recommend buying anything of significance from a seller whose name is "Certified [product] Store"
Personally, I recommend going to Abt and/or Rogers & Hollands first... see if they have the watch in-stock and ask what their bottom-line cash price is (if you don't pay with a CC, you'll get a better deal)... if they knock off anything less than 20%, harumph a little and ask them again. Maybe offer something less, and see where that goes. Work the deal a bit, get to a price, and then ask yourself if you'd rather spend $430 to buy sight-unseen. The downside here is that not every dealer stocks every model, so the local store may not have this on hand, and you're always going to get a better discount on in-stock item than something they have to order. Because Hamilton doesn't have the cachet that Tag, Rolex, etc. has, don't be surprised if you only see a couple dozen Hamiltons in the case... sometimes if display space is limited, they'll have more "in the safe"... always ask if every Hamilton they have is on display.
If you can get a dealer to knock off 25-30%, that's a fair price. 35% or more, that's a great price from a dealer. But if I was buying online, I wouldn't take my chances for anything that wasn't at least 50% off list, and even still, I would do some research on the seller first.
EDIT: To clarify... when I say "dealer," I mean "authorized dealer."
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I have found that watches depend on the situation. My folks gave me a Rolex Submariner when I finished flight school and that has proven indestructible. An important note on Rolexes - you MUST have them tuned about every 4-5 years and that will cost about $400. They actually get sent back to Switzerland where they undergo an overhaul. If you don't have this done your Rolex will not keep accurate time.
My wife thought the Rolex was too clunky and she got me a Baume & Mercier Hampton for wearing when we got dressed up. It is a rectangular faced Art Deco design that I hated at first since I was used to wearing a slab of steel but I grew to appreciate the Baume & Mercier's elegance. I actually wore this watch more during my corporate life in Asia as stylistically it worked better with a dark blue suit. And unlike the Rolex, it doesn't require the expensive routine maintenance.
When flying I always wore the Rolex but for field operations I realized that if I were to catch one in the head my parent's gift would end up on the wrist of some Taliban chucklehead so I ended up getting a plastic quartz watch. I found that the variety of functions (chronometer, timer, alarm, multiple screens, etc...) made these indispensable tools for being outside the wire and there was no way I would scratch the crystal (which I did with my Rolex and it was bloody expensive to get that fixed.)
I have two plastic watches - the Timex Rugged Expedition and the Casio G Shock. Both will last forever and are superb time pieces - a $100 Casio keeps better time than anything made in Switzerland. In a world where split second coordination is crucial the quartz watches are best. Like most of my JSOC buds I ended up wearing the G Shock most often as it was better for reasons of diverse functionality and ergonomics.
Before pulling out your cash, think through what situations you need in a watch because that will guide your decision. Remember that a Casio G Shock is a better time piece with more functions but isn't always the best choice for business and social situations. Watches are jewelry and you are making a statement through your choice.
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Before pulling out your cash, think through what situations you need in a watch because that will guide your decision. Remember that a Casio G Shock is a better time piece with more functions but isn't always the best choice for business and social situations. Watches are jewelry and you are making a statement through your choice.
I have a sport watch right now, looking to buy something dressier that can be worn with a suit for weddings, interviews, etc. etc.
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I have a sport watch right now, looking to buy something dressier that can be worn with a suit for weddings, interviews, etc. etc.
If you want a watch that you can pass down through multiple generations as a legacy then get a Rolex. If you want something more stylish I would recommend a Baume & Mercier or Piaget.
Avoid Tags - they say, "Couldn't afford a Rolex."
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It looks like the Boulton II watch. Swatch still makes the line today, but the Boulton was Hamilton's most popular watch from the 1940s through the 1960s, and perhaps was the most popular watch in the nation during a period of that time. The Boulton II has the 770 movement; at the time the 770 was regarded as one of the best manual-wind movements in the world, so you've got a solid piece there. Unfortunately, due to the popularity of the watch, it's not exactly a priceless collector's item, but that inscription is awesome.
You can typically date the Boulton by the factory markings/inscription on the back of the case, but in this case, the custom inscription has pretty much done that for you, so no questions there.
As to Mr. Parker... I'm going to have to leave that to the sweater-vest crowd here.
Thanks for your reply, Benny
We just opened it up and found that it is a 731 movement, only number on the inside of the case is S104302
Stainless steel case back, 10 K gold filled bezel
The Australian collector that it was purchased from says it's a Hamilton "Scott"
I attached a photo of the front, just in case you are curious to see it.
The MU connection and being a thoughtful gift from my family make this very special to me.
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My son-in-law is a big fan of mechanical movement watches and finds some very nice pieces on the internet. He also buys older , non working pieces mostly from estate sales and repairs / restores them as a hobby.
He recently purchased a vintage Hamilton ( American movement) watch on the internet from Australia and gave it to me as a gift.
Check out the inscription on the back!
1965 was a little bit before my time at MU, but now I am very curious to find out the history behind this watch.
If any MUSCOOPERS can help me with suggestions or info, I would greatly appreciate it
Weird.
Googled it and this was immediately linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
Can't be though...
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If you want a watch that you can pass down through multiple generations as a legacy then get a Rolex. If you want something more stylish I would recommend a Baume & Mercier or Piaget.
Avoid Tags - they say, "Couldn't afford a Rolex."
Rolex... also the preferred watch brand of the Ayatollahs. That's some great company, flyboy.
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Ignore the list price. Hamilton's "soft" pricing - that just about every dealer should honor - is roughly 20% off list; anything beyond that is up to the dealer (they might tell you that no dealer can sell below X%, but that would merely be a sales tactic). In any event, you can get the Khaki just about anywhere for $500 + tax, and perhaps even less if you're willing to negotiate.
The Amazon price seems fair, but the question really boils down to whether you'd pay an extra $70 to be able to a) see and feel the watch before you buy it and b) purchase from an authorized dealer.
When you buy online, any warranty you get is a "seller's" warranty (not the mfg's warranty), and personally, I wouldn't make a major purchase like this unless I knew the mfg was going to stand behind it... you could get a brand new watch in stellar condition that works forever, or you might end up with a remanufactured watch or a genuine case with a counterfeit movement. If you know the e-seller and they have a good reputation, go for it... but I wouldn't recommend buying anything of significance from a seller whose name is "Certified [product] Store"
Personally, I recommend going to Abt and/or Rogers & Hollands first... see if they have the watch in-stock and ask what their bottom-line cash price is (if you don't pay with a CC, you'll get a better deal)... if they knock off anything less than 20%, harumph a little and ask them again. Maybe offer something less, and see where that goes. Work the deal a bit, get to a price, and then ask yourself if you'd rather spend $430 to buy sight-unseen. The downside here is that not every dealer stocks every model, so the local store may not have this on hand, and you're always going to get a better discount on in-stock item than something they have to order. Because Hamilton doesn't have the cachet that Tag, Rolex, etc. has, don't be surprised if you only see a couple dozen Hamiltons in the case... sometimes if display space is limited, they'll have more "in the safe"... always ask if every Hamilton they have is on display.
If you can get a dealer to knock off 25-30%, that's a fair price. 35% or more, that's a great price from a dealer. But if I was buying online, I wouldn't take my chances for anything that wasn't at least 50% off list, and even still, I would do some research on the seller first.
EDIT: To clarify... when I say "dealer," I mean "authorized dealer."
Benny, this is really helpful. Thank you. There is an authorized dealer who can sell the Jazzmaster Day/Date to me for $630. It's more than the $570 Amazon price but he came down $250 from $880. It seems reasonable considering it includes the manufacturers warranty.
I love the look of the watch. It's very classic, looks out of the 60s, and a Swiss mechanical in my price range. I think I'm going to pull the trigger.
Keefe, I hear you loud and clear on Rolexes but I don't have 5k laying around at the moment. A Hamilton in my 20s, a Rolex in my 30s perhaps.
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I find it odd that a Rolex would need to be sent every 4 to 5 years back to the mfg to make sure it keeps time properly. One would think with the reputation of that watch, this wouldn't be required.
My wife bought me a Michael Kors watch....no idea if it is any good....looks nice, works well, mostly wear it at work. Have a more rugged, G-Shock for when I'm out playing.
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I find it odd that a Rolex would need to be sent every 4 to 5 years back to the mfg to make sure it keeps time properly. One would think with the reputation of that watch, this wouldn't be required.
My wife bought me a Michael Kors watch....no idea if it is any good....looks nice, works well, mostly wear it at work. Have a more rugged, G-Shock for when I'm out playing.
Based on my limited research Michael Kors is a very nice designer brand, comparable to Gucci or Coach, but not quite on the level of a Swiss luxury brand.
The more I'm reading about this the more similarities I am finding to wine. There are $1000 bottles but if you like a $30 bottle you should get what you like, not what someone else says is better because of the price tag.
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Weird.
Googled it and this was immediately linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
Can't be though...
Yes, William H. Parker was the L.A. Police chief and Marquette Frye was the 21 year old African American that was pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving. Things got out of hand during the arrest, and news spread quickly .... it was the spark that touched off the powder keg
So, every search of William Parker + Marquette+ 1965 leads to Watts riots.
I think we can safely assume MU didn't give that guy a watch.
my quest continues !
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I have a phone that tells time. Why wear a watch on my person? Next you guys will be rockin necklaces and tiffany bracelets.
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I have a phone that tells time. Why wear a watch on my person? Next you guys will be rockin necklaces and tiffany bracelets.
No other jewelry other than wedding band. Don't care to have my phone on my person all the time.
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Rolex... also the preferred watch brand of the Ayatollahs. That's some great company, flyboy.
Not sure what you mean. I didn't buy my Rolex - my fighter pilot father gave it to when I got my wings (just as his fighter pilot father gave him one when he completed USAF pilot training.) For whatever reason, USAF pilots have been wearing them since Eddie Rickenbacker.
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I find it odd that a Rolex would need to be sent every 4 to 5 years back to the mfg to make sure it keeps time properly. One would think with the reputation of that watch, this wouldn't be required.
My wife bought me a Michael Kors watch....no idea if it is any good....looks nice, works well, mostly wear it at work. Have a more rugged, G-Shock for when I'm out playing.
That is the recommended maintenance cycle. It is a thorough overhaul and you get back a brand new time piece. Everything is included so it is a form of insurance, too. I had scratched the crystal diving in Sulawesi so I asked a Rolex shop in Singapore about replacing it and they said it would be cheaper to send it in for the scheduled maintenance as Rolex would replace the crystal as part of that service.
I have found that my Rolex will run about 5 minutes fast after about 5 years from the last servicing. I compare that with the only watches I have bought personally - the G Shock and Timex - which keep perfect time and are still on the original battery.
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Plenty of Submariners around for way less than 5k when I was looking but the bloom fell off the rose when the Persian Princes of BH used to drive around with the driver 's window down and the wrist draped outside to show off their Bejeweled Datejust.
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Plenty of Submariners around for way less than 5k when I was looking but the bloom fell off the rose when the Persian Princes of BH used to drive around with the driver 's window down and the wrist draped outside to show off their Bejeweled Datejust.
I'm not sure what this references but American fighter pilots and Rolexes have been flying together for a long time. And I'll look toward Col. Chuck Yeager for advice on aviator timepieces
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAQfxXPKhh03AIQhxLsQ5fl2q-8uP1eS_pVkecSbsMIxHpNHuGjQ)
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I have a phone that tells time. Why wear a watch on my person? Next you guys will be rockin necklaces and tiffany bracelets.
So, when you get held up, ya only gotta hand over one item, not two? Smart ass dude, that BeeJay.
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So, when you get held up, ya only gotta hand over one item, not two? Smart ass dude, that BeeJay.
Never said I didn't carry a gun.
IIRC, your reason for not wearing a watch was that "it got in the way when you were having fun with your buddies at the Pfister" or something like that?
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I have a phone that tells time. Why wear a watch on my person? Next you guys will be rockin necklaces and tiffany bracelets.
Why do you wear ties?
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Why do you wear ties?
They make all of us busboys wear them while on the clock at the J O B.
Professional attire is appropriate for doing business in certain settings. Ties are an integral part of such attire (for a man)...
Some women, I understand, wear ties. Women in ties is similar to men wearing watches.
Chicos, did you have an ear pierced back in the day? You strike me as a guy who would have back in the old days (late 80s, early 90s).
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Bit of advice, youngan, don't get your tie caught in a Cerac machine.
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I have a phone that tells time. Why wear a watch on my person? Next you guys will be rockin necklaces and tiffany bracelets.
What will you do if there is a thermo nuclear war and the EMP fries your cell phone? How will you know when you have to leave the hut for the oncologist?
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What will you do if there is a thermo nuclear war and the EMP fries your cell phone? How will you know when you have to leave the hut for the oncologist?
lmao thanks. I needed this.
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Some women, I understand, wear ties.
Yea, but some men wear lingerie so it's a push...
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No other jewelry other than wedding band.
So, what? Your nipple rings don't count as jewelry now??
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What will you do if there is a thermo nuclear war and the EMP fries your cell phone? How will you know when you have to leave the hut for the oncologist?
You can get a watch that tells perfect time at Dollar Tree.
Face it; guys wear high-end watches because it is the only acceptable form of expensive jewelry that a man can wear unless he is a gangster or a hip hop mogul.
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Face it; guys wear high-end watches because it is the only acceptable form of expensive jewelry that a man can wear unless he is a gangster or a hip hop mogul.
Pilots have always been associated with higher end time pieces and US military aviators have worn Rolex since the Hat in the Ring Squadron arrived in France. The Rolex is as much a part of aviation history as silk scarves, open cockpits, single malt, cohibas, and fast women.
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Col. Buzz Aldrin, USAF
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Luftwaffe Bomber Crew does pre-launch time hack to ensure mission precision
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The Fighter Pilot
As Seen by Himself:
An incredibly intelligent, erudite, tall, handsome, innovative, and highly trained professional killer, idol to countless females, and Gentleman Adventurer, who wears an understated class ring, carries a hair-trigger 9MM Beretta in a specially designed, hand-made quick draw holster along with his trusty survival knife, who is always on time thanks to his ability to obtain immediate transportation and the reliability of an incredibly sh1t hot Rolex watch.
As seen by his wife:
A disreputable member of the family who comes home once a year all bruised up, driving a stolen jeep up to the back door carrying a B-4 bag full of dirty laundry, wearing a stained flight suit, smelling of stale booze, Cuban cigars, and JP-8, wearing a huge watch that cost more than my engagement ring, an ugly gold ring he won in a card game, and that damn ugly beat-up pistol in that stupid holster, who will three months later go out the front door, thankfully for another year.
As seen by his commander:
A fine specimen of a drunken, brawling, jeep stealing, woman corrupting liar, with a humungous gold ring, fantastically accurate Rolex watch, an unauthorized 9mm Beretta in a non-regulation shoulder holster, and trusty survival knife.
As seen by Wing Headquarters:
The embodiment of a drunken, brawling, jeep stealing, woman corrupting, lying, zipper-suited Sun God, with a ring, a proscribed 1911A1 .45 in a non-regulation shoulder holster, an impressive Rolex Submariner, who for some reason carries a survival knife.
As seen by the DoD:
An overpaid, rule-ignoring, over-ranked tax burden, who is unfortunately totally indispensable simply because he has volunteered to go anywhere, and do anything, at any time, only so long as he can booze it up, brawl, steal jeeps, corrupt women, lie, and wear a gold class ring, an oversized Rolex watch funded by US tax dollars, and carry an obsolete hand gun and a survival knife.
As seen by the enemy:
The implacable face of death wearing an immaculate Rolex!
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Not sure what you mean. I didn't buy my Rolex - my fighter pilot father gave it to when I got my wings (just as his fighter pilot father gave him one when he completed USAF pilot training.) For whatever reason, USAF pilots have been wearing them since Eddie Rickenbacker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFtHjV4c4uw
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you f*ckers aint usin' a time piece in the waist coat pocket with a chain, you ain't usin sh!t.
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I don't own a single watch, so I'm very confused with the majority of what is being said here.
I'm looking to buy a watch in the near future, keep it under 300 dollars. What is a good, quality brand that is durable, but looks clean? I'm not at all a fan of the bulky watches with lots of silver, I've personally thought of them as too gaudy. Something much more refined. My dad has a Skagen, but I don't know anything about the company or heritage. Anyone familiar with it?
A picture for reference. The blue is a magnificent hue, the picture really doesn't do it justice.
What would you guys suggest as a good beginner's watch? Not something I would necessarily pass down, but something for a dinner/party. Not everyday use, but something that will be frequently worn.
Lastly, if possible, please explain with not too technical terms, as I'm completely in uncharted territory for me. Thanks!
Appearance is largely a matter of personal preference, but if you are looking for something that you can wear in lots of different situations, formal, business and casual, I'd suggest a simple white face watch with a leather strap that can be changed out to brown or black, depending on what you are wearing. The strap should match your shoes.
If you are looking to stay under $300, it will likely have to be a quartz watch, which are less expensive but keep very accurate time.
I'd suggest Seiko or Citizen, as those are some of the better brands of quartz watches:
http://www.princetonwatches.com/shop/AO3010-05A.asp?p=froogle&s=AO3010-05A&zmam=71591610&zmas=1&zmac=62&zmap=AO3010-05A&gclid=CPeb0ruPiL0CFbFaMgod_hUAIw
The watch you attached looks fine, again its a matter of personal preference. I'd just suggest something more versatile, that you can wear with different outfits/colors (black AND brown, for example) if you are only going to buy one.
EDIT: I know nothing about the site I linked to, I am not endorsing it as a place to buy watches, just using that as an example of a type of watch I'd recommend.
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Since this is a message board, feel free to ignore my unsolicited, somewhat different Jesuit/Buddhist, advice to not buy an expensive watch:
1. Wait for a good functional Apple iWatch or good android compatible watch. In other words, something that does a lot more than simply tell you the time (which you don't need anymore since we have our phones with us or a computer with us at all times).
If you don't have a cell phone, well, get a cell phone first then worry about the watch :D
Seriously, watches really serve no practical function anymore. That is about to change with the new computer based watches. But, don't buy the current generation of Samsung watches, you need to wait for at least the next generation of those. These will be functional and not just for looks.
2. Since a traditional watch has little to no purpose anymore, it is jewelry, as mentioned above. Unless your in the CIA or Seals, you don't need a watch that keeps time for a generation to the second. And if you do, there are actually cheap electronic watches that do a better job and even some now that can sync wirelesssly that keep better time.
3. So adding, 2 and 3 there is no reason to get an expensive watch unless you want to impress others or need to impress yourself. If you need to impress others, ask your self what is really missing and why. If you need to impress yourself, ask yourself the same question. Read a couple of books on Buddhism and the pope. Then take the money and save it, or donate it to a great cause.
If you really need to impress yourself and feel good about possessing something, seriously, understand why... And if you need to impress that stranger with a material item, well, again really think about that one... and if it is someone of the opposite sex that you want to impress, run away if he/she is impressed!
If you simply need to tell time, well see number 1. A watch purchase isn't about telling time.
4. After thinking about number 3, realize a couple of real important fundamental issues in our Western society that have spread across the planet resulting in over consumption and materialism, and the need for us to adopt a real life Jesuit/Buddhist philosophy to benefit us and our fellow creatures:
A. The West mistakes pleasure for happiness. A key reason that we with so much, are less happy then so many people with so little... you will never be happy by possessing things or wanting things.
We compensate by spending and buying things, such as BMW's, etc, which gives short term pleasure but will never result in happiness. Once one realize that material things will actually only lead to less happiness, one begins to understand that by not needing or wanting material things, and not wanting or needing to impress others or the self (ego/need to be different by possessing), will result in more happiness (and a better bank account or more generosity) and a more balanced life. It is too bad that there is not enough Buddhist Philosophy taught by the Jesuits, or maybe I just miss it, but the Buddhist do such a great job of understanding the relationship of material things and the attachment to material things and the lack of happiness and explaining it. The Jesuits do such a great job of living it as an example.
B. The West obsession with conspicuous consumption and showing off material things, makes a lot of ills in our society. Why does a kid kill another kid to possess some $250 sneakers? Don't be part of the problem, reject materialism. It is relative and starts with small items.
In my job I see people on a daily basis and go over their assets/wealth. I am amazed at how many people have expensive items but just spend money and in fact don't have much. Spending and consuming their way through life... giving an outward appearance of wealth... and somehow they think they are wealthy because they have items that are worth less than they paid for them. Generally, the guy who would wear the $1 black plastic watch is my bet for the guy that has money. It isn't how much you make, it is how much you don't spend which determines what you have. These people don't have egos to fill with stuff, know that material things do not result in happiness, and generally are more generous with their $ than the guy with a big house and BMW out to impress. Seriously, 9 out of 10 times it is the guy who you don't think has $ who has it and the guy who looks like they have it simply spend it and don't have it!
Okay, I will shut up now and let you continue in your inquiry of wanting to buy a watch.
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Jack Spade is running a 50% off sale on select items. There are a few nice Dual Time watches that will cost approx $250 after shipping & taxes. Sale ends 3/13.
http://surplus.jackspade.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-JackSurplus-Site/en_US/Search-Show?cgid=watches (http://surplus.jackspade.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-JackSurplus-Site/en_US/Search-Show?cgid=watches)
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Pilots have always been associated with higher end time pieces and US military aviators have worn Rolex since the Hat in the Ring Squadron arrived in France. The Rolex is as much a part of aviation history as silk scarves, open cockpits, single malt, cohibas, and fast women.
Hate to break it to ya, but the best timepieces - historically speaking - weren't worn by aviators... they were worn by railroad men. Good, honest, hard working, railroad men who were keeping to tight schedules before Wilbur and Orville were at their mama's teat.
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Since this is a message board, feel free to ignore my unsolicited, somewhat different Jesuit/Buddhist, advice to not buy an expensive watch:
1. Wait for a good functional Apple iWatch or good android compatible watch. In other words, something that does a lot more than simply tell you the time (which you don't need anymore since we have our phones with us or a computer with us at all times).
If you don't have a cell phone, well, get a cell phone first then worry about the watch :D
Seriously, watches really serve no practical function anymore. That is about to change with the new computer based watches. But, don't buy the current generation of Samsung watches, you need to wait for at least the next generation of those. These will be functional and not just for looks.
2. Since a traditional watch has little to no purpose anymore, it is jewelry, as mentioned above. Unless your in the CIA or Seals, you don't need a watch that keeps time for a generation to the second. And if you do, there are actually cheap electronic watches that do a better job and even some now that can sync wirelesssly that keep better time.
3. So adding, 2 and 3 there is no reason to get an expensive watch unless you want to impress others or need to impress yourself. If you need to impress others, ask your self what is really missing and why. If you need to impress yourself, ask yourself the same question. Read a couple of books on Buddhism and the pope. Then take the money and save it, or donate it to a great cause.
If you really need to impress yourself and feel good about possessing something, seriously, understand why... And if you need to impress that stranger with a material item, well, again really think about that one... and if it is someone of the opposite sex that you want to impress, run away if he/she is impressed!
If you simply need to tell time, well see number 1. A watch purchase isn't about telling time.
4. After thinking about number 3, realize a couple of real important fundamental issues in our Western society that have spread across the planet resulting in over consumption and materialism, and the need for us to adopt a real life Jesuit/Buddhist philosophy to benefit us and our fellow creatures:
A. The West mistakes pleasure for happiness. A key reason that we with so much, are less happy then so many people with so little... you will never be happy by possessing things or wanting things.
We compensate by spending and buying things, such as BMW's, etc, which gives short term pleasure but will never result in happiness. Once one realize that material things will actually only lead to less happiness, one begins to understand that by not needing or wanting material things, and not wanting or needing to impress others or the self (ego/need to be different by possessing), will result in more happiness (and a better bank account or more generosity) and a more balanced life. It is too bad that there is not enough Buddhist Philosophy taught by the Jesuits, or maybe I just miss it, but the Buddhist do such a great job of understanding the relationship of material things and the attachment to material things and the lack of happiness and explaining it. The Jesuits do such a great job of living it as an example.
B. The West obsession with conspicuous consumption and showing off material things, makes a lot of ills in our society. Why does a kid kill another kid to possess some $250 sneakers? Don't be part of the problem, reject materialism. It is relative and starts with small items.
In my job I see people on a daily basis and go over their assets/wealth. I am amazed at how many people have expensive items but just spend money and in fact don't have much. Spending and consuming their way through life... giving an outward appearance of wealth... and somehow they think they are wealthy because they have items that are worth less than they paid for them. Generally, the guy who would wear the $1 black plastic watch is my bet for the guy that has money. It isn't how much you make, it is how much you don't spend which determines what you have. These people don't have egos to fill with stuff, know that material things do not result in happiness, and generally are more generous with their $ than the guy with a big house and BMW out to impress. Seriously, 9 out of 10 times it is the guy who you don't think has $ who has it and the guy who looks like they have it simply spend it and don't have it!
Okay, I will shut up now and let you continue in your inquiry of wanting to buy a watch.
I hear everything you are saying. I really do. Let me just offer a counterpoint.
I agree that a watch is relatively obsolete from a time telling standpoint, we all have mobile phones.
But I would like a nice watch (not a Rolex mind you, but something that is quality, Swiss made) because in professional settings it would add to my appearance. It is not a matter of impressing anyone, per se, but its for the same reason I buy a decent pair of shoes, when I could wear something cheaper to work, or shell out $30 for a hair cut, when I could just buzz my hair short. Its to look professional. I think its ok to look professional. If someone is just buying a fancy watch to show off for peers/feel good about himself, then I agree with you.
Finally, I think its important to remember who is making the product and make an ethical choice of you buy from and who is impacted by that choice. You could buy a cheap watch made in China, but that is supporting child workers and slave wages. For that matter, when you buy a smartphone or smartwatch, you are also supporting the same slave wages as the products are made by Foxxcon. If you buy a Swiss watch, you are supporting an industry that is rooted in craftmanship and centuries of excellence. The people making the watches get a living wage and it is one of the pillars of Swiss industry. It keeps people employed, and pays them enough to live a happy existence.
Someone once criticized the Pope (Benedict, not Frankie) for wearing $300 leather shoes. But the Pope bought them from a local Italian cobbler, who charges those prices because he needs to in order to stay in business to make hand-made shoes. The price supports the dignity of his craft and keeps him in business. In my opinion, it is a more ethical choice than to support slave wages making shoes you can buy for $50 at DSW (not to mention that a good pair of shoes should last 4 or 5 times longer than a cheap pair, if you take care of them and get the soles replaced when necessary, making it more of an investment then a frivolous purchase).
I'm with you on cars, the difference between a Toyota and a Lexus is negligible and you really are just paying for the nameplate.
But some products, such as watches and shoes, are still handmade by craftsmen, and are expensive for a reason, and that reason is so they can live on their craft. I see nothing immoral in supporting those folks.
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Hate to break it to ya, but the best timepieces - historically speaking - weren't worn by aviators... they were worn by railroad men. Good, honest, hard working, railroad men who were keeping to tight schedules before Wilbur and Orville were at their mama's teat.
+1 My grandfather was a railroad man, and one of our family's most treasured possessions is his pocket watch. He started as an errand boy the day after he graduated from the eighth grade (doing things like going to the taverns on the "wrong" side of East St. Louis to get beer for the older guys), and worked his way up to managing the switching yard.
He was very anal retentive, even for a German, so you know that timepiece had to be accurate.
Nowadays, an expensive watch for a guy is the equivalent to a mink coat for a woman. No one buys them for function.
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I get it, and I have my own personal vices (custom suits), for many of the reasons you outlined. I don't like the fact that personal appearance matters so much, but we still have to live IN the world to function in business. And you have to pay way too much for locally made suits that are not made in Asia. I have tried to change this habit, but I like a suit that fits really well... my hang up, I guess!
I don't like wearing suits that cost so much, but understand it... it isn't about show as no one knows they are not off the rack... I really wish the West coast tech dress influence would get to the Midwest faster so I could wear Jeans and a shirt! That fits my philosophy, but until then...
So I do understand, and we do have to function within our professions as unfortunate as that may be.
I'd much rather not wear suits, but there is a need still in the Midwest to function in my profession. And then to get one that fits well, I can't seem to find it off the rack. I don't like it and want to put the money to better use, but again, it is a hang up of mine, I guess.
A good pair of shoes can be better for the environment than a bunch of cheap ones that can't be resoled, etc. I'm sure the same goes for a watch.
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While I get the whole watch is obsoleted thing, a couple of reasons to consider that goes into my buying decision a watch as both a functional product and as part of my "look". First, there is no way to subtly look at your cellphone for the time while in a meeting, I can easily do that with my watch and avoid offending individuals who are boring me. Second, my Skyhawk syncs to the atomic clock network so I always have the correct time regardless of time zone and regardless of whether I have a CDMA or GMS phone. Third, I don't have to worry about my time telling piece being out of juice. Lastly, I can use the watch all sorts of features like stop watch, etc and doing so much more discretely than with a phone.
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While I get the whole watch is obsoleted thing, a couple of reasons to consider that goes into my buying decision a watch as both a functional product and as part of my "look". First, there is no way to subtly look at your cellphone for the time while in a meeting, I can easily do that with my watch and avoid offending individuals who are boring me. Second, my Skyhawk syncs to the atomic clock network so I always have the correct time regardless of time zone and regardless of whether I have a CDMA or GMS phone. Third, I don't have to worry about my time telling piece being out of juice. Lastly, I can use the watch all sorts of features like stop watch, etc and doing so much more discretely than with a phone.
Well, the Buddhist philosophy about focusing on the present and living in the moment..... just kidding... I understand. Get yourself a good Casio for $5 bucks or whatever they cost now ;)
Seriously, I'll stop posting in this thread so you can get on with the watch business.
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If I can't guess what the time is, and I'm known for doing that with extreme accuracy, I just ask the closest person next to me that is bound to be wearing a watch (assuming there isn't one already mounted on the wall)
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I'm with Cosmo, tell it by looking at the sun.
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Hate to break it to ya, but the best timepieces - historically speaking - weren't worn by aviators... they were worn by railroad men. Good, honest, hard working, railroad men who were keeping to tight schedules before Wilbur and Orville were at their mama's teat.
Hate to break it to you but the railroads in the US and most of Europe were notoriously bad about maintaining schedule. In fact, the first train system to actually run on anything close to the published schedule was in Japan in the 1920's.
The fallacy of train men and time pieces is that a yard man or conductor do little to influence adherence to schedule. Even the engineers were at the mercy of far too many factors beyond their control.
The nature of flight and the synchronization of flight operations has always required greater precision than most other endeavors. And going back to its earliest days, aviators have opted for time pieces that delivered the requisite degree of accuracy. To this day, a standard part of every mission briefing is the "time hack," where everyone synchs their watches. I can think of no other profession where participants strive for such split second rigor.
There is a reason so many watch companies employ aviation imagery in their branding. No watch company in their right mind would ever wish to associate their brand with trains!
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+1 My grandfather was a railroad man, and one of our family's most treasured possessions is his pocket watch. He started as an errand boy the day after he graduated from the eighth grade (doing things like going to the taverns on the "wrong" side of East St. Louis to get beer for the older guys), and worked his way up to managing the switching yard.
He was very anal retentive, even for a German, so you know that timepiece had to be accurate.
Nowadays, an expensive watch for a guy is the equivalent to a mink coat for a woman. No one buys them for function.
Some good nudie bars in EStL. Your grandpa musta been a connoisseur.
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Some good nudie bars in EStL. Your grandpa musta been a connoisseur.
I haven't been back since the '70s. My dad visited 5 or 6 years ago. The home he grew up in - the home my grandfather built with his own two hands (he wouldn't let any of his friends help - their workmanship wasn't up to his standards) was the only house on the entire block that wasn't torn down or abandoned.
And I asked my dad if he had ever seen Ike Turner perform there - that is where he got his start - and he replied that even in the '50's, that wasn't a part of town where you were safe to go at night.
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Hate to break it to you but the railroads in the US and most of Europe were notoriously bad about maintaining schedule. In fact, the first train system to actually run on anything close to the published schedule was in Japan in the 1920's.
well how far can trains in Japan vs. the US? 200 miles vs. 1500 or more?
just because the trains didn't run on time doesn't mean it was the fault of the engineer's watch ;)
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;D and then there is
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I'd like to see a conductor hide that locomotive watch up his ass for 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton
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So, what? Your nipple rings don't count as jewelry now??
Just the scrotum rings, not the nipple rings
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I'd like to see a conductor hide that locomotive watch up his ass for 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton
The words "locomotive" and "ass" typically shouldn't occur in the same sentence... but you added "Hilton" in said sentence, so I guess that's ok.
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They make all of us busboys wear them while on the clock at the J O B.
Professional attire is appropriate for doing business in certain settings. Ties are an integral part of such attire (for a man)...
Some women, I understand, wear ties. Women in ties is similar to men wearing watches.
Chicos, did you have an ear pierced back in the day? You strike me as a guy who would have back in the old days (late 80s, early 90s).
I still have it pierced, I just don't wear an earring any more, but I could slip it in now if need be. Frowned upon at work so I don't bother. In a few more years when I go Mr. Clean with the hair, perhaps just to scare the crap out of my wife. When I surfed, wore my cross around the neck, but no jewelry any more, just the wedding band and a watch....keeping it simple.
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That is the recommended maintenance cycle. It is a thorough overhaul and you get back a brand new time piece. Everything is included so it is a form of insurance, too. I had scratched the crystal diving in Sulawesi so I asked a Rolex shop in Singapore about replacing it and they said it would be cheaper to send it in for the scheduled maintenance as Rolex would replace the crystal as part of that service.
I have found that my Rolex will run about 5 minutes fast after about 5 years from the last servicing. I compare that with the only watches I have bought personally - the G Shock and Timex - which keep perfect time and are still on the original battery.
Thank you for the education on that. I can't imagine ever owning a Rolex, just don't have that interest so I would not have known. Appreciate it.
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Thanks for your reply, Benny
We just opened it up and found that it is a 731 movement, only number on the inside of the case is S104302
Stainless steel case back, 10 K gold filled bezel
The Australian collector that it was purchased from says it's a Hamilton "Scott"
I attached a photo of the front, just in case you are curious to see it.
The MU connection and being a thoughtful gift from my family make this very special to me.
Sorry, in the fun of ripping on Keefe's stereotypical aviator mentality when it comes to overindulgences, I missed this additional info... so you think you got the "bald figureskater watch," eh? (The Hamilton "Scott".... haha)
You're right that it's definitely the Scott, specifically the 60s version of the Scott (there were two earlier incarnations of the Scott, the original in 1935-1938 and the second in the 1950s)... additional horology (not the study of which Jay Bee and ZFB are thinking) on this piece: the earlier of the 60s Scott (c. 1963) typically came with the 730 movement... the later versions were made with the 731 movement (a variation on the 730 but with a Swiss screwless balance - again not what Jay Bee and ZFB are thinking), so the date matches perfectly with the inscription. In any event, the retail on these watches were $70-80 at the time, making them an upper-end model, because they had 18k gold hands and numbers.
Incidentally, I can't find mention of another Hamilton that shipped with the 731 movement.
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well how far can trains in Japan vs. the US? 200 miles vs. 1500 or more?
I grew up in Tokyo and lived there several times as an adult. The issue with train schedules is not distances but passenger load. The Japanese rail system carries more than 15 billion passengers a year. If you have never been to a Tokyo train station, especially one on the Yamanote Line during rush hour, you cannot possibly fathom how impressive is that feat.
Perhaps the truest indication of cultural time orientation is how individuals communicate measurement. An American will say, "about 20 minutes" while a Japanese will say, "In 17 minutes." Not only is the precision more acute but adherence to time is absolute in Japan. (Japanese do the same thing with distance - they will state 17.5 km rather than about 20 km.)
When I first moved to Indonesia I was appalled at the blasé attitude towards time in Jakarta. A 10:00 am meeting would find people drifting in as late as 10:30. More shocking, is that there was no sense of having done anything wrong. I took to locking the door to a conference room and ignoring the late comers - within a week people understood that punctuality was non-negotiable.
I learned from my secretary that people would ask if a time was "Pribumi 10 o'clock or Bulet 10 o'clock?" meaning is that Indonesian time or foreigner time?
http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/39224-clockwork-precision-on-the-tokyo-subway
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YpjwsV7T2SI/TpVybGcN11I/AAAAAAAAC-4/sT53jG_hxEg/s1600/a3dc9bae22774b02_crowded-commuter-train.jpeg)
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Sorry, in the fun of ripping on Keefe's stereotypical aviator mentality when it comes to overindulgences, I missed this additional info... so you think you got the "bald figureskater watch," eh? (The Hamilton "Scott".... haha)
You're right that it's definitely the Scott, specifically the 60s version of the Scott (there were two earlier incarnations of the Scott, the original in 1935-1938 and the second in the 1950s)... additional horology (not the study of which Jay Bee and ZFB are thinking) on this piece: the earlier of the 60s Scott (c. 1963) typically came with the 730 movement... the later versions were made with the 731 movement (a variation on the 730 but with a Swiss screwless balance - again not what Jay Bee and ZFB are thinking), so the date matches perfectly with the inscription. In any event, the retail on these watches were $70-80 at the time, making them an upper-end model, because they had 18k gold hands and numbers.
Incidentally, I can't find mention of another Hamilton that shipped with the 731 movement.
You know who else keeps good time....strippers and hookers. 2 songs or 30 minutes: bam, you're done.
I'd rather have a lady of the night on my arm than a piece of metal.
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I grew up in Tokyo and lived there several times as an adult. The issue with train schedules is not distances but passenger load. The Japanese rail system carries more than 15 billion passengers a year. If you have never been to a Tokyo train station, especially one on the Yamanote Line during rush hour, you cannot possibly fathom how impressive is that feat.
Perhaps the truest indication of cultural time orientation is how individuals communicate measurement. An American will say, "about 20 minutes" while a Japanese will say, "In 17 minutes." Not only is the precision more acute but adherence to time is absolute in Japan. (Japanese do the same thing with distance - they will state 17.5 km rather than about 20 km.)
When I first moved to Indonesia I was appalled at the blasé attitude towards time in Jakarta. A 10:00 am meeting would find people drifting in as late as 10:30. More shocking, is that there was no sense of having done anything wrong. I took to locking the door to a conference room and ignoring the late comers - within a week people understood that punctuality was non-negotiable.
I learned from my secretary that people would ask if a time was "Pribumi 10 o'clock or Bulet 10 o'clock?" meaning is that Indonesian time or foreigner time?
http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/39224-clockwork-precision-on-the-tokyo-subway
I read somewhere that of the 50 busiest train stations in the world, all are in Japan except for 6.
My wife volunteered last year to help chaperone a trip to Japan from her high school. She still repeats that you can't believe the number of people riding the trains.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YpjwsV7T2SI/TpVybGcN11I/AAAAAAAAC-4/sT53jG_hxEg/s1600/a3dc9bae22774b02_crowded-commuter-train.jpeg)
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When I first moved to Indonesia I was appalled at the blasé attitude towards time in Jakarta. A 10:00 am meeting would find people drifting in as late as 10:30. More shocking, is that there was no sense of having done anything wrong. I took to locking the door to a conference room and ignoring the late comers - within a week people understood that punctuality was non-negotiable.
When I lived in Guam, I became familiar with the concept of "Island Time." The most extreme example I remember was when we were doing our HS graduation rehearsal with the Archbishop. He got a phone call and an aide told us to take a five minute break. Everyone jumped into their cars to go to McDonalds to get something to eat. It never occurred to any of them that you couldn't drive 5-10 minutes (each way), order and receive food, eat, and be back in 5 minutes. A bunch of 17-18 year old kids kept the Archbishop of Guam waiting for about 30 minutes while they went on a burger run...and nobody (including the Archbishop) seemed even remotely troubled by it. It was an eye-opening cultural experience.
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You know who else keeps good time....strippers and hookers. 2 songs or 30 minutes: bam, you're done.
And that's why they call it horology. F#*& you Webster, we've got ourselves a ZFB dictionary.
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When I lived in Guam, I became familiar with the concept of "Island Time." The most extreme example I remember was when we were doing our HS graduation rehearsal with the Archbishop. He got a phone call and an aide told us to take a five minute break. Everyone jumped into their cars to go to McDonalds to get something to eat. It never occurred to any of them that you couldn't drive 5-10 minutes (each way), order and receive food, eat, and be back in 5 minutes. A bunch of 17-18 year old kids kept the Archbishop of Guam waiting for about 30 minutes while they went on a burger run...and nobody (including the Archbishop) seemed even remotely troubled by it. It was an eye-opening cultural experience.
That behavior is prevalent throughout ASEAN, save for Singapore. What an Ang Mo views as disrespect of others is simply "Rubber Time" to the Malay or Filipino.
Marquette had a large contingent from Guam. I knew Felix Camacho, aka Guamo, who ended up as Governor. He was a really great guy.
I made many trips to Guam back in my F 16 days. When Misawa was blanketed in snow we would find any reason to do a cross country to either the Philippines of Guam. One of Spain's finest gifts to those two islands was roast pork. Lechon and Hotnon Babui represent some of the best damned pig to ever grace a spit. We may have kicked Spain's ass in 1898 but their troops were eating roast pig while ours were opening cans of gelatinous mystery meat.
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Marquette had a large contingent from Guam.
True. I went to Marquette from Guam. I think there were 15-20 in my freshman class.
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I read somewhere that of the 50 busiest train stations in the world, all are in Japan except for 6.
My wife volunteered last year to help chaperone a trip to Japan from her high school. She still repeats that you can't believe the number of people riding the trains.
You cannot imagine what a Japanese train station looks like at rush hour. A colleague had just arrived in Tokyo and he mentioned he was heading out to meet his wife at Shibuya Station. His Latina bride is all of 5' 2" with jet black hair. When I asked if they had designated a specific rendezvous spot at the station he gave me a quizzical look that said no. I laughed inside knowing the impending disaster that awaited him.
He told me later that he stood above the platform and saw nothing but an unending undulating black wave. His wife was down there but there was no way to identify her in that sea of humanity. His wife was in tears while he frantically searched for her and they never did connect at the station.
My wife had blond hair which is an extreme curiosity for the Japanese. She was on the train late one night and a drunk Japanese salary man was staring at her from across the car. After about 10 minutes he staggered over to her and began touching her hair. She spoke fluent vernacular Japanese and instructed him in extremely direct language to remove his hands. The man was completely shocked by this. He bowed deeply and apologized in very formal Japanese then left the car. She could see he was relating the story to others in the adjacent carriage.
(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/12japanecon0315.jpg)
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Anyone looking to get in on owning an automatic at an affordable rate...I came across these watches...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GF45LE/ref=s9_simh_gw_p241_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1Y257W6E3EXT3B58SQ8W&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846
That's about as affordable as you will find for an automatic
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That's about as affordable as you will find for an automatic
There are better Automatics...
TACP with M4
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Ox at the Line
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Paris Dropping Her Panties
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Crean Acting Like an A Hole
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Agree on all the automatics, 'cept for Paris. Typically, she rocks the commando version of said panties, aina?
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Agree on all the automatics, 'cept for Paris. Typically, she rocks the commando version of said panties, aina?
Bloody difficult to sniff commandos...
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Bloody difficult to sniff commandos...
No it ain't. It's just your nose gets a little wet.