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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 07:48:30 AM

Title: The 5 starters
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 07:48:30 AM
Marquette has 1 High Major player in the starting 5.They played 58% of the minutes last night and scored 23 pts,which is 28% of the points MU scored.It is very difficult to win any game with that lack of production and be logging that many minutes.It is amazing MU has won 9 league games.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2014, 08:38:48 AM
Your calculations are off, yes the 5 starters in absolute minutes played 58% but played less than 9% together.  Additionally, you have to look at points scored when starters are in because in theory they contributed to creating points for the non-starters.

Can't look at starters and bench players in a traditional sense with this team.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 08:51:07 AM
I don't care how you look at it.The 5 starters played a combined 144 minutes out of the 250 possible. 58% of the minutes and scored 23 pts.They were 8 of 31(26%) from the floor and 4 of 8(50%)from the line.Had 7 assists and 7 turnovers.I don't care how much they all played together.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2014, 08:56:53 AM
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 08:51:07 AM
I don't care how you look at it.The 5 starters played a combined 144 minutes out of the 250 possible. 58% of the minutes and scored 23 pts.They were 8 of 31(26%) from the floor and 4 of 8(50%)from the line.Had 7 assists and 7 turnovers.I don't care how much they all played together.

OK, then you don't get basketball.  Would everything be all better if the minutes remained unchanged but Todd Mayo started instead of Jake?

That starting lineup would have 151 minutes out of 250 possible minutes for 61%.  They would have scored 43 points, and you know what, they outcome is totally the same.

Don't care all you want but then you are completely missing the point, starters don't matter with this team.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 09:13:51 AM
The 4 four starters that are not High Major players played 40% of the minutes and scored 12 pts.The point is those guys are playing to many minutes.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2014, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 05, 2014, 09:13:51 AM
The 4 four starters that are not High Major players played 40% of the minutes and scored 12 pts.The point is those guys are playing to many minutes.

That's a totally different argument.

So whom would you take minutes from, how many, and given to whom?
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2014, 11:14:59 AM
Buzz starts Chris for the tip and Juan for reasons unknown (but he's done this before ala Erik Williams) but they are hardly starters. If you go by the minutes they actually play the starters are

Derrick
Mayo
Thomas
Jamil
Gardner

This is the group that should be analyzed. And they did just fine.
Title: Re: The 5 starters
Post by: Boozemon Barro on March 05, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
Dawson
Mayo
J. Wilson
Burton
Gardner

This should be the lineup. We actually saw this group on the floor for the first time this season last night, and Buzz called timeout and subbed in Derrick Wilson. It's to the point where I'm rooting for Derrick and Jake to get into foul trouble so Buzz is forced to sit them. Unfortunately, Derrick didn't foul out until there were 9 seconds left in the second overtime.
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