Anyone else concerned, down by 20 3 minutes left why is he not playing?
I'm hoping to God that he has mono or something
He played the last 2 minutes.
Not sure why people are flippin' out that he should have played earlier. He simply fell behind others on the depth chart...like Jake Thomas did last year.
Concerned? Uhhhh yes, to say the least. That's some "good as gone" treatment. Hate to speculate but...
He has just as much, if not more talent than anyone on the team. Hasn't played in 4 games and comes in and nails a 3 with a defender all over him. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be given a couple minutes in each half to see if he can give this team a spark. JT is hit or miss and besides playing well in a couple of games lately hasn't been spectacular or even average for much of the season. Really a shame and if he leaves, Marquette is going to regret big time I believe.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
He has just as much, if not more talent than anyone on the team. Hasn't played in 4 games and comes in and nails a 3 with a defender all over him.
1. He wasn't "all over him."
2. He was a back up
3. The game was effectively over
That little bit of game action proves absolutely nothing.
Again, no reason to believe that JJJ is going to transfer. He has played more minutes than most frosh under Buzz.
Thomas barely played last season and now he is 2nd on the team in minutes. JJJ will have the opportunity to earn those kind of minutes.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
He has just as much, if not more talent than anyone on the team. Hasn't played in 4 games and comes in and nails a 3 with a defender all over him. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be given a couple minutes in each half to see if he can give this team a spark. JT is hit or miss and besides playing well in a couple of games lately hasn't been spectacular or even average for much of the season. Really a shame and if he leaves, Marquette is going to regret big time I believe.
I can accept an argument for getting JJJ some minutes. But to say he should be playing in place of JT because he's "below average" is so baseless it's laughable
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on March 02, 2014, 03:19:55 PM
1. He wasn't "all over him."
2. He was a back up
3. The game was effectively over
That little bit of game action proves absolutely nothing.
Oh sorry, how about right up on him? So what if the game was effectively over...he didn't play in 4 games and still hit his only shot. It amazes me the lengths you go to do defend the Derricks and the Jakes of the world, but never have anything positive to say about him.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:25:40 PM
Oh sorry, how about right up on him? So what if the game was effectively over...he didn't play in 4 games and still hit his only shot. It amazes me the lengths you go to do defend the Derricks and the Jakes of the world, but never have anything positive to say about him.
I don't agree with your hatred of Derrick, but I understand it. Jake on the other hand, I really don't get. He struggle tonight but has been killing it lately. What does he have to do to earn your fandom?
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:25:40 PM
Oh sorry, how about right up on him? So what if the game was effectively over...he didn't play in 4 games and still hit his only shot. It amazes me the lengths you go to do defend the Derricks and the Jakes of the world, but never have anything positive to say about him.
Because he doesn't look better on both sides of the floor than Jake or Todd do. It's really that simple.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:25:40 PM
Oh sorry, how about right up on him? So what if the game was effectively over...he didn't play in 4 games and still hit his only shot. It amazes me the lengths you go to do defend the Derricks and the Jakes of the world, but never have anything positive to say about him.
Can you explain why this matters? It's not as though JJJ wasn't even touching a basketball... he was still at practice, shootarounds, heck even warmups before the game and at half.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 02, 2014, 03:23:44 PM
I can accept an argument for getting JJJ some minutes. But to say he should be playing in place of JT because he's "below average" is so baseless it's laughable
You misunderstood what I was saying. Jake has performed poorly in a number of games this year...I would like to see JJJ get a couple of minutes in these games to see if he can provide a spark. I actually have come around on Jake and think overall he is an average player who has good games and stinkers. When he doesn't have it going, why not try something else? Even if he is playing well JJJ should still see some playing time.
jjj's game is offense. Our starters rained 17 points on the basket today - blistered the nets at 21% - 5-23.
Who needs him ?-(
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:30:26 PM
You misunderstood what I was saying. Jake has performed poorly in a number of games this year...I would like to see JJJ get a couple of minutes in these games to see if he can provide a spark. I actually have come around on Jake and think overall he is an average player who has good games and stinkers. When he doesn't have it going, why not try something else? Even if he is playing well JJJ should still see some playing time.
Just giving guys "some playing time" was the very thing some on this board were complaining about earlier this year.
Villanova is just a better team. Marquette isn't as good as we thought they would be.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2014, 03:28:36 PM
I don't agree with your hatred of Derrick, but I understand it. Jake on the other hand, I really don't get. He struggle tonight but has been killing it lately. What does he have to do to earn your fandom?
I have started to come around on Jake and actually find him to be a very valuable member of our team. He is inconsistent however and for every great game he has, he has a mediocre game as well. My point was when he is struggling, why not give JJJ some minutes? He offers outside shooting and I think he is a better slasher/finisher.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:38:21 PM
I have started to come around on Jake and actually find him to be a very valuable member of our team. He is inconsistent however and for every great game he has, he has a mediocre game as well. My point was when he is struggling, why not give JJJ some minutes? He offers outside shooting and I think he is a better slasher/finisher.
because if Jake is struggling, Todd gets the minutes at the 2.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 02, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
Can you explain why this matters? It's not as though JJJ wasn't even touching a basketball... he was still at practice, shootarounds, heck even warmups before the game and at half.
Well I think it's a credit to his character that after not playing for 4 games, he's able to step in and hit a 3. It can't be easy not playing and would be easy to lose focus. Also, it's not easy to hit a 3 in a game at anytime, under any circumstance as a certain pg on our team can attest to.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 02, 2014, 03:40:12 PM
because if Jake is struggling, Todd gets the minutes at the 2.
Jake and Todd play at the same time a lot. JJJ could be out there instead of Jake for a couple minutes here and there.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
You probably shouldn't make such declarative statements about posters that you personally don't know....I'd take that statement from Nevada as well informed...
And...it actually should provide some comfort to those fearing JJJ might transfer...as if lack of PT is based on trying to get JJJ to get his academics in order....it becomes more explainable.
Well informed? Based on what? Its ok to smear a kid based on "word on the street". I , and everybody else, make declarative statements about posters based on what they post. The proof is in the pudding.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:44:12 PM
Jake and Todd play at the same time a lot. JJJ could be out there instead of Jake for a couple minutes here and there.
. Agree, jake had a horrible game. Outclassed
Quote from: Mutaman on March 02, 2014, 03:47:52 PM
Well informed? Based on what? Its ok to smear a kid based on "word on the street". I , and everybody else, make declarative staements about posters based on what they post. The proof is in the pudding.
If it is a fact, is it smearing the kid?? You were given a reason as to why JJJ hasn't been playing...which has been surprising to all...
And....the statement originated from someone who is far more connected than "word on the street."
And baffled as to why my original post was deleted?!
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:38:21 PM
I have started to come around on Jake and actually find him to be a very valuable member of our team. He is inconsistent however and for every great game he has, he has a mediocre game as well. My point was when he is struggling, why not give JJJ some minutes? He offers outside shooting and I think he is a better slasher/finisher.
No questioning Jake's effort. He is simply athletically overmatched at times as he has been in both Nova games. Itis what it is.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 03:44:12 PM
Jake and Todd play at the same time a lot. JJJ could be out there instead of Jake for a couple minutes here and there.
jake and todd play at the same time a lot when jake is playing well. if jake is struggling, and off the floor due to his struggling, mayo is at the 2. that's what i meant.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
And baffled as to why my original post was deleted?!
Don't be play dumb.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
If it is a fact, is it smearing the kid?? You were given a reason as to why JJJ hasn't been playing...which has been surprising to all...
And....the statement originated from someone who is far more connected than "word on the street."
And baffled as to why my original post was deleted?!
but does anyone know if it is a fact? if no one knows for sure, and rumors don't count, then yes, it is smearing
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
And baffled as to why my original post was deleted?!
Good job Moderator. Kudos. Too much unsupported speculation from the "well connected" around here.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
If it is a fact, is it smearing the kid?? You were given a reason as to why JJJ hasn't been playing...which has been surprising to all...
And....the statement originated from someone who is far more connected than "word on the street."
How do you know how connected he is?
And if he is more connected than "word on the street," why did he use the phrase "word on the street?"
Passing along unsubstantiated rumors is indeed smearing a kid.
Regardless of fact or not, that does not belong to be posted, rumored or speculated about by a bunch of adults on a message board.
I enjoy the open reign around here, but I'm glad that was removed.
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Regardless of fact or not, that does not belong to be posted, rumored or speculated about by a bunch of adults on a message board.
I enjoy the open reign around here, but I'm glad that was removed.
Bravo. I despise censorship, but we're dealing with kid's lives here. if you can't provide evidence in support of statements about off the court activities, than STFU.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
And personally...I don't see why it was so offensive?? Many kids in college struggle academically...as freshman. Mayo has gotten blasted on this board for being academically ineligible for a semester...where was the outrage for Todd?? Instead Todd got labeled as a cancer, bad for the team, etc., etc., etc.,
Even though me (and others) had good information on Todd's academic issues, none of us posted about it until it was announced by Marquette.
Ners, again, you know better.
If Nevada is as 'connected' as you say he is, then he should be embarrassed. His presence around here has been nothing but an additional drag after losses with extreme negativity and the attitude of a teenager.
Now, for those of us that do have a connection, I would hope that is never shared regardless of context used.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 02, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
Word on the street is that Ners beats his wife. Now you can draw your own conclusions from that. If its true, I'm not smearing him. And personally, why is my statement so offensive, many men beat their wives.
I think this may replace my signature.
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
He's a very connected source...I'll leave it at that...you can draw whatever conclusions from that you might like....and there is a reason some very connected sources might want to remain anonymous...and post in a tone such as: "word on the street."
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything people tell you about themselves.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 02, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
Word on the street is that Ners beats his wife. Now you can draw your own conclusions from that. If its true, I'm not smearing him. And personally, why is my statement so offensive, many men beat their wives.
Well that was really uncalled for.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 02, 2014, 04:24:12 PM
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything people tell you about themselves.
oh snap!
Quote from: mubuzz on March 02, 2014, 04:24:32 PM
Well that was really uncalled for.
According to Ners though, it's not.
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
Ners, again, you know better.
If Nevada is as 'connected' as you say he is, then he should be embarrassed. His presence around here has been nothing but an additional drag after losses with extreme negativity and the attitude of a teenager.
Now, for those of us that do have a connection, I would hope that is never shared regardless of context used.
Agree...people can't out their connections for a wide variety of reasons. As for Nevada - he's a frustrated "fan," as are many this season - and generally don't feel he's been any more malicious toward people here than have others toward him/other posters...people have mocked him for his grammar, etc. He probably crossed the line today with the B$tch comment...but he's got a lot of legit reason to be frustrated with the team this year..
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 04:30:59 PM
According to Ners though, it's not.
Personally...I don't care what Mutaman posted..rolled right off my back...I'm just surprised at the faux outrage Nevada's post caused here as it wasn't with bad intention....it was to try to shed a little light on the situation...and it sure isn't any kind of cardinal sin for a kid to struggle academically as a freshman...
If any think Nevada is a troll....the guy was at the freaking Villanova game today...he's absolutely a MU "fan."
People have wanted to know what was going on with JJJ...trying to figure out why a 5-star recruit was riding bench....and Nevada simply offered a reason...
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
Personally...I don't care what Mutaman posted..rolled right off my back...
Nothing personal. We're all feeling bad today. Just an attempt to show how dangerous (and foolish) unsupported speculation can be. Beat Providence!
Quote from: Mutaman on March 02, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
Nothing personal. We're all feeling bad today. Just an attempt to show how dangerous (and foolish) unsupported speculation can be. Beat Providence!
No worries...but I can confidently say Nevada's post wasn't with bad intention at all..or intended to be hurtful to JJJ...was really just trying to shed a little light as to what's behind the DNP's...based on what he knows as it relates to the team/situation...
Quote from: Ners on March 02, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
No worries...but I can confidently say Nevada's post wasn't with bad intention at all..or intended to be hurtful to JJJ...was really just trying to shed a little light as to what's behind the DNP's...based on what he knows as it relates to the team/situation...
Intent has nothing to do with it.