Anyone surprised for a Thursday night, against a top rival, in a key game? Total was 14,874 ... are we going to finish lower than last year?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on February 28, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
Anyone surprised for a Thursday night, against a top rival, in a key game? Total was 14,874 ... are we going to finish lower than last year?
Not really surprised. It was a Thursday night game.
I think we will finish higher than last year. We are below the mark and if the St. John's game gets 16,000+ we should beat last year's average.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 28, 2014, 10:43:04 AM
Not really surprised. It was a Thursday night game.
I think we will finish higher than last year. We are below the mark and if the St. John's game gets 16,000+ we should beat last year's average.
You know what sucks? That game is scheduled for the first saturday of spring break for the students. People are going to be traveling/gone.
I can see it now. "The students should never go home or use their break to travel somewhere warm, they should stay in Milwaukee for their only week off for the rest of the year."
I was talking about this last night with a friend of mine at the game. Many factors are contributing to poor attendance this season. Here is a couple we came up with:
1. The team not playing up to expectations obviously hurts. There are a lot of disgruntled fans with how Buzz has coached this team. This board reflects that, even after wins.
2. Only 16 home games this season, remember some years as many as 21, thus not as much value for the price of season tickets.
3. The quality of opponents has dropped off a lot this year as well. I believe we have only played three ranked opponents at home all season (correct me if I am wrong, but OSU, Nova and Creighton). Obviously losing marquee games against Notre Dame, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, hurts attendance as well.
4. A lot of 6pm and 8pm games. There are plenty of games I can't find people to use my other two tickets because of the time of games. A lot of people who go to games with me don't get home from work until after 5. Tough to make it to a 6pm game. Also, a lot of people don't want to go to an 8pm game because we don't get home until after 11pm.
5. Lack of promotions. This might seem ridiculous, but it seems the amount of quality giveaways has dropped off sense Tommy C left. I don't remember the last time there was a bobble head or other giveaway to get excited about (maybe Fr. Wild?).
6. Every game is on TV now. This winter has been brutal and I think a lot of people choose to just stay home.
7. I think overall the value of Marquette basketball has declined dramatically with the death of the old Big East. We no longer have guaranteed games against quality opponents because our conference is weaker. This forces the program to schedule more tournaments out of state and more home and home games with higher quality teams. The best thing that could happen for attendance would be for the team to get back to being a top 20 program(not far off IMO) and for the conference to have 4-5 ranked teams year in and year out.
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
You know what sucks? That game is scheduled for the first saturday of spring break for the students. People are going to be traveling/gone.
Will be a ghost town
Well if it going to be a ghostown maybe i will sit in the student section with my daughter and have her run around the empty seats.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 28, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
Well if it going to be a ghostown maybe i will sit in the student section with my daughter and have her run around the empty seats.
Momma, pappa, and sister-esard will all be in attendance in the student section. Got 3 free tickets rather easily from my friends who arent going.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 28, 2014, 10:43:04 AM
Not really surprised. It was a Thursday night game.
I think we will finish higher than last year. We are below the mark and if the St. John's game gets 16,000+ we should beat last year's average.
Just before the National Anthem Al would look at the four upper most corners of the Arena to make sure the seats were filled. He considered that a key indicator of his job performance.
Georgetown in Milwaukee is mandatory attendance. Day of the week is immaterial when a key rival is in town.
If I'm not mistaken the arena Marquette played in during Al's days only seated about 10,000
Quote from: jpvegas on February 28, 2014, 11:22:42 AM
If I'm not mistaken the arena Marquette played in during Al's days only seated about 10,000
That's true. And Milwaukee's population was likely smaller, too. There were fewer living Marquette alumni at that time. And downtown parking was more problematic. And gasoline was $0.25 a gallon.
Fact is, Al filled the House.
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
That's true. And Milwaukee's population was likely smaller, too. There were fewer living Marquette alumni at that time. And downtown parking was more problematic. And gasoline was $0.25 a gallon.
Fact is, Al filled the House.
Al also didn't have all his games televised.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Al also didn't have all his games televised.
Very true. He also had better teams. :D
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
That's true. And Milwaukee's population was likely smaller, too. There were fewer living Marquette alumni at that time. And downtown parking was more problematic. And gasoline was $0.25 a gallon.
Fact is, Al filled the House.
Milwaukee's population in 1970 was 717,000 today it is 594,000.
As to attendance: Everybody realizes that our average attendance is up by 200 over last year's, right? St. John's would have to draw around 13,000 to get us down to last year's numbers. It's a weekend game, season tickets are already counted, the weather should be a little bit nicer (fingers crossed), and it's the final home game of the season. Does anyone seriously think we draw less than 15,000 for a game that will possibly decide our NCAA fate?
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
2. Only 16 home games this season, remember some years as many as 21, thus not as much value for the price of season tickets.
4. A lot of 6pm and 8pm games. There are plenty of games I can't find people to use my other two tickets because of the time of games. A lot of people who go to games with me don't get home from work until after 5. Tough to make it to a 6pm game. Also, a lot of people don't want to go to an 8pm game because we don't get home until after 11pm.
7. I think overall the value of Marquette basketball has declined dramatically with the death of the old Big East. We no longer have guaranteed games against quality opponents because our conference is weaker.
2) There has been 16 home games for the past couple of years now. There is now a value to be a season-ticket holder as the prices are higher for single game tickets for BE and Saturday games.
4) 500 million reason why we play at 6, 7 or 8pm. Brewers baseball games don't end untill 10:00pm. Doesn't stop folks to go.
7) Season-tickets sales went up this year.
Quote from: jpvegas on February 28, 2014, 11:22:42 AM
If I'm not mistaken the arena Marquette played in during Al's days only seated about 10,000
It seats a little over 10,000. The US Cellular Arena, in where the Panthers and Wave play at.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:42:49 AM
2) There has been 16 home games for the past couple of years now. There is now a value to be a season-ticket holder as the prices are higher for single game tickets for BE and Saturday games.You can spin it anyway you want it, fact of the matter is it is less games for the same price or in some case higher prices for less quality
4) 500 million reason why we play at 6, 7 or 8pm. Brewers baseball games don't end untill 10:00pm. Doesn't stop folks to go.Point is 7 oclock games would draw the most people. Brewer games don't draw well during the school year except on weekends, not sure what your argument is here?
7) Season-tickets sales went up this year. The numbers we see is paid attendance not the amount of people actually at the games. I could care less if season tickets went up if nobody shows up.....get it?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on February 28, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
Anyone surprised for a Thursday night, against a top rival, in a key game? Total was 14,874 ... are we going to finish lower than last year?
How do we know they are our top rival? I thought it be 15,754. So, I thought the crowd was fine!
This would never be brought up if Marquette had arena's in where Michigan State, Purdue, Michigan plays at. Since those places seats between 11 to 15,000. MU plays in a huge arena at 19,000.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:44:51 AM
It seats a little over 10,000. The US Cellular Arena, in where the Panthers and Wave play at.
I believe it was 10,055 if I recall correctly.
I know attendance is paid attendance. I'm the one that points that out to everyone!
Season-tickets are discounted than single game tickets. Yes, it's the same cost as in years past when you got 18 home games, but now MU is in year 4 of having single game tickets higher.
As for the Brewers, well you just don't get it.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
How do we know they are our top rival? I thought it be 15,754. So, I thought the crowd was fine!
This would never be brought up if Marquette had arena's in where Michigan State, Purdue, Michigan plays at. Since those places seats between 11 to 15,000. MU plays in a huge arena at 19,000.
Slightly different demographics between those cities populations and venues
Milwaukee's population=598,916
East Lansing=48,518
Ann Arbor=116,121
West Lafayette=30,419
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:44:51 AM
It seats a little over 10,000. The US Cellular Arena, in where the Panthers and Wave play at.
Back then the Arena capacity was 10,938 for most years and went up to over 11,000 for the years just prior to MU moving to the BC. That 10,938 # is stuck in my mind forever ( and, looking at an old media guide, that is the correct # ). When it became the cell, the Arena was "remodeled" and there are now fewer seats.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 11:53:17 AM
Stay classy smart guy
Your writing on this board I read from you talks down to people.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
Slightly different demographics between those cities populations and venues
Milwaukee's population=598,916
East Lansing=48,518
Ann Arbor=116,121
West Lafayette=30,419
And???
Those three schools have larger fanbase's than Marquette's.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
Slightly different demographics between those cities populations and venues
Milwaukee's population=598,916
East Lansing=48,518
Ann Arbor=116,121
West Lafayette=30,419
Urban cites draw different, than college cites when they are the only game in town.
What is Milwaukee population when you break it down to Badgers, Panthers, Bucks, etc.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:52:31 AM
I know attendance is paid attendance. I'm the one that points that out to everyone!
Season-tickets are discounted than single game tickets. Yes, it's the same cost as in years past when you got 18 home games, but now MU is in year 4 of having single game tickets higher.
As for the Brewers, well you just don't get it.
And paid attendance is what matters. And yeah, people didn't show as much yesterday because the teams aren't as good as originally advertised and because it was MF cold out.
And game times are going to be dictated by television. Usually 6 or 8 PM. Really if people who would normally show up at 7, but decide to skip it because it's at 8, that says more about their lameness as a fan than anything.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
And???
Those three schools have larger fanbase's than Marquette's.
Agreed they are public universities with much larger enrollment. Just simply pointing out Marquette basketball has a much larger local population to pull from. All fans are not alumni. Some don't seem to get that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
And paid attendance is what matters. And yeah, people didn't show as much yesterday because the teams aren't as good as originally advertised and because it was MF cold out.
And game times are going to be dictated by television. Usually 6 or 8 PM. Really if people who would normally show up at 7, but decide to skip it because it's at 8, that says more about their lameness as a fan than anything.
Thank You! If a MU game start at 8:00, it's getting done around 10:15. No different than a baseball game.
Quote from: striker14 on February 28, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
Milwaukee's population in 1970 was 717,000 today it is 594,000.
Milwaukee Metro Population (MM)
1970: 1.2
2010: 2.0
Anyhow, point is that if Georgetown is in town there should be a full house.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
Slightly different demographics between those cities populations and venues
Milwaukee's population=598,916
East Lansing=48,518
Ann Arbor=116,121
West Lafayette=30,419
MU enrollment = 11,700
MSU enrollment = 49,300
Michigan enrollment = 40,700
Purdue enrollment = 39,250
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
And paid attendance is what matters. And yeah, people didn't show as much yesterday because the teams aren't as good as originally advertised and because it was MF cold out.
And game times are going to be dictated by television. Usually 6 or 8 PM. Really if people who would normally show up at 7, but decide to skip it because it's at 8, that says more about their lameness as a fan than anything.
+1 exactly what I said. I am not excusing people for not showing up, I go to every game. Simply pointing out I have been turned down this year more than any other because of game times. TV has everything to do with it.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 12:00:03 PM
Thank You! If a MU game start at 8:00, it's getting done around 10:15. No different than a baseball game.
Again, baseball draws poorly during the school year aside from opening day and field trips. Baseball is not helping your argument about attendance.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 11:56:51 AM
Urban cites draw different, than college cites when they are the only game in town.
Actually, Ann Arbor likely offers more evening activity than Milwaukee. Large college communities offer vibrant, diverse social and cultural opportunities.
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Milwaukee Metro Population (MM)
1970: 1.2
2010: 2.0
Anyhow, point is that if Georgetown is in town there should be a full house.
How many weekday sellouts has Marquette even had during the BC era?
Just saying "it should be a sell out" doesn't make it a realistic goal.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:02:44 PM
Again, baseball draws poorly during the school year aside from opening day and field trips. Baseball is not helping your argument about attendance.
That is your view point. The Brewers many times during the week have had many crowds of over 30,000.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
I was talking about this last night with a friend of mine at the game. Many factors are contributing to poor attendance this season. Here is a couple we came up with:
1. The team not playing up to expectations obviously hurts. There are a lot of disgruntled fans with how Buzz has coached this team. This board reflects that, even after wins.
2. Only 16 home games this season, remember some years as many as 21, thus not as much value for the price of season tickets.
3. The quality of opponents has dropped off a lot this year as well. I believe we have only played three ranked opponents at home all season (correct me if I am wrong, but OSU, Nova and Creighton). Obviously losing marquee games against Notre Dame, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, hurts attendance as well.
4. A lot of 6pm and 8pm games. There are plenty of games I can't find people to use my other two tickets because of the time of games. A lot of people who go to games with me don't get home from work until after 5. Tough to make it to a 6pm game. Also, a lot of people don't want to go to an 8pm game because we don't get home until after 11pm.
5. Lack of promotions. This might seem ridiculous, but it seems the amount of quality giveaways has dropped off sense Tommy C left. I don't remember the last time there was a bobble head or other giveaway to get excited about (maybe Fr. Wild?).
6. Every game is on TV now. This winter has been brutal and I think a lot of people choose to just stay home.
7. I think overall the value of Marquette basketball has declined dramatically with the death of the old Big East. We no longer have guaranteed games against quality opponents because our conference is weaker. This forces the program to schedule more tournaments out of state and more home and home games with higher quality teams. The best thing that could happen for attendance would be for the team to get back to being a top 20 program(not far off IMO) and for the conference to have 4-5 ranked teams year in and year out.
This is wrong. Tickets sales and attendance is higher than last year and the year before.
How about this ... I was at the game and I estimate about one-third of the crowd has the sniffles or worse (count me in this group, and my daughter that went with me). The crowd had a noticeable lack energy last night.
This winter has worn us all out and when it's 4 degrees outside and you're tired and sick, it's easier to sit on the couch and watch it on TV
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 12:05:43 PM
How many weekday sellouts has Marquette even had during the BC era?
Just saying "it should be a sell out" doesn't make it a realistic goal.
This highlights the difference between the empirical and the intangible. A major rival in town should generate significant enthusiasm on the basis of the rivalry.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 28, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Back then the Arena capacity was 10,938 for most years and went up to over 11,000 for the years just prior to MU moving to the BC. That 10,938 # is stuck in my mind forever ( and, looking at an old media guide, that is the correct # ). When it became the cell, the Arena was "remodeled" and there are now fewer seats.
Correct. If that were still the case every game would be sold out. The current facility is too big for a small private school to fill every game. The fact that we average 14-15k is pretty remarkable.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 12:06:37 PM
That is your view point. The Brewers many times during the week have had many crowds of over 30,000.
they averaged 31,000 a game last year. Most weeknight games during the school year draw about 24,000 a game.
I don't think the MU fanbase views Georgetown as a "major rival."
This entire discussion is another reason why it's important to get decent coverage in the local media. We have a great fan base of around 14,000 that show up for most games, but the casual fans from the greater Milwaukee area are the ones that buy those lousy upper-deck seats to increase attendance for big games. The only place the casual fans see anything about MU is in the JS or the local news. They aren't checking websites like this or seeking out info on their own.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
I don't think the MU fanbase views Georgetown as a "major rival."
Competitor? Georgetown should be a major draw - more than most other schools in the conference. Perhaps I am guilty of bias as I went to Georgetown Prep but I would think GU should generate more interest than DePaul, Butler...
Quote from: Litehouse on February 28, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
The only place the casual fans see anything about MU is in the JS or the local news. They aren't checking websites like this or seeking out info on their own.
You don't think the guys from Ladish and Allen-Bradley hit the Scoop after a long day in the mill?
Quote from: striker14 on February 28, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
Milwaukee's population in 1970 was 717,000 today it is 594,000.
As to attendance: Everybody realizes that our average attendance is up by 200 over last year's, right? St. John's would have to draw around 13,000 to get us down to last year's numbers. It's a weekend game, season tickets are already counted, the weather should be a little bit nicer (fingers crossed), and it's the final home game of the season. Does anyone seriously think we draw less than 15,000 for a game that will possibly decide our NCAA fate?
To be fair, I think you need to look at the metro population, not the city.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 28, 2014, 12:11:13 PM
This is wrong. Tickets sales and attendance is higher than last year and the year before.
How about this ... I was at the game and I estimate about one-third of the crowd has the sniffles or worse (count me in this group, and my daughter that went with me). The crowd had a noticeable lack energy last night.
This winter has worn us all out and when it's 4 degrees outside and you're tired and sick, it's easier to sit on the couch and watch it on TV
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According to this you are wrong: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
2012 15,138
2011 15,586
2010 15,617
2009 16,200
2008 16,239
Attendance has gone down every year in Buzz's tenure.
Quote from: Litehouse on February 28, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
This entire discussion is another reason why it's important to get decent coverage in the local media. We have a great fan base of around 14,000 that show up for most games, but the casual fans from the greater Milwaukee area are the ones that buy those lousy upper-deck seats to increase attendance for big games. The only place the casual fans see anything about MU is in the JS or the local news. They aren't checking websites like this or seeking out info on their own.
+1 great point. This is where the size of the city matters. Need to draw more fans who aren't alumni.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:15:25 PM
they averaged 31,000 a game last year. Most weeknight games during the school year draw about 24,000 a game.
Correct, so 24,000 is more in what MU gets. Which those games let out around 10:00pm.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:25:48 PM
+1 great point. This is where the size of the city matters. Need to draw more fans who aren't alumni.
True, but it's hard to do when the local TV news doesn't cover college hoops other than tourney time. Show three plays during highlights of sports is cutting it. Local news is Packers, Packers, Packers and Brewers.
Article from the Marquette Tribune last week on this issue.
http://marquettewire.org/2014/02/20/tribune/tribune-news/basketball-attendance-dropping-at-marquette-nationwide/
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 12:27:14 PM
Correct, so 24,000 is more in what MU gets. Which those games let out around 10:00pm.
Wow, I don't even know what your point is anymore. Perhaps you can explain it.
My point is the Brewers don't draw well during the school year on weeknights and their fan base is much larger than Marquette's is. Time of game matters a lot to fans with kids who have school the next day. Not all fans are students or sweatervest wearing emptynesters. Throughout all sports attendance is higher on weekends and when school is out. I really don't know how you can argue that game time and TV availability doesn't effects "butts in the seats" attendance.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:24:04 PM
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According to this you are wrong: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
2012 15,138
2011 15,586
2010 15,617
2009 16,200
2008 16,239
Attendance has gone down every year in Buzz's tenure.
after 15 dates our average attendance is 15,209 ... higher than last year.
You also realize
- 2008 was the highest average in MU history
- 2009 was the second highest in MU history
- 2010 was the third highest in MU history
- 2011 was the fourth highest in MU history
- 2012 was the eighth highest in MU history
- 2013 was the ninth highest in MU history
Quote from: Litehouse on February 28, 2014, 12:33:45 PM
Article from the Marquette Tribune last week on this issue.
http://marquettewire.org/2014/02/20/tribune/tribune-news/basketball-attendance-dropping-at-marquette-nationwide/
From the article, which I'm sure BenCat12 blames on Buzz too
The decrease in attendance, however, is a national phenomenon. Attendance for Division I men's basketball across the country dropped by nearly half a million over the past four years, according to the NCAA.
A common speculation as to the reason for the drop is an increase in television and online viewership. Ohio State athletics director Gene Smith told USA Today, "People are different now. They cherry-pick. They won't go to every game because you have all these other options to see the games. That's hard. That's what's hurting us."
But television viewership is not the only factor. This is the first year Marquette basketball games were broadcasted on FOX Sports 1, following a deal between the Big East and the broadcast company.-----------
What is happening to MU attendance since "Buzz took over in 2009" is happening nationwide. However, MU's decline has been less than average.
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
You know what sucks? That game is scheduled for the first saturday of spring break for the students. People are going to be traveling/gone.
I can see it now. "The students should never go home or use their break to travel somewhere warm, they should stay in Milwaukee for their only week off for the rest of the year."
It sucks but it's also laziness. 2003 was my senior year and we were heading to PCB for spring break but we made sure to schedule our flights based on timing of the Cincinnati game in which MU won the C-USA title for the first time ever. It's an 11AM game for cripes sake, take a 6PM flight out of Mitchell good and sauced when you hit the bar after an MU win before catching your cab.
And the team sucks isn't a valid point, when plans had to be booked MU was in contention for a conference run.
And now get off my damn grass
Quote from: mu03eng on February 28, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
It sucks but it's also laziness. 2003 was my senior year and we were heading to PCB for spring break but we made sure to schedule our flights based on timing of the Cincinnati game in which MU won the C-USA title for the first time ever. It's an 11AM game for cripes sake, take a 6PM flight out of Mitchell good and sauced when you hit the bar after an MU win before catching your cab.
And the team sucks isn't a valid point, when plans had to be booked MU was in contention for a conference run.
And now get off my damn grass
Well theyre are also a bunch of service trips leaving that friday and flying out on a saturday is pricey for a college kid.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:33:55 PM
Wow, I don't even know what your point is anymore. Perhaps you can explain it.
My point is the Brewers don't draw well during the school year on weeknights and their fan base is much larger than Marquette's is. Time of game matters a lot to fans with kids who have school the next day. Not all fans are students or sweatervest wearing emptynesters. Throughout all sports attendance is higher on weekends and when school is out. I really don't know how you can argue that game time and TV availability doesn't effects "butts in the seats" attendance.
I never made any statement about TV and time effects attendance. If you are asking me, is does effects it! I know the Brewers draw less during the week than the weekends. I never said anything about it that it doesn't. I'm saying it shouldn't, even though it does because the MU game will end around 10'ish, just like a Brewers game.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 28, 2014, 12:44:44 PM
From the article, which I'm sure BenCat12 blames on Buzz too
The decrease in attendance, however, is a national phenomenon. Attendance for Division I men's basketball across the country dropped by nearly half a million over the past four years, according to the NCAA.
A common speculation as to the reason for the drop is an increase in television and online viewership. Ohio State athletics director Gene Smith told USA Today, "People are different now. They cherry-pick. They won't go to every game because you have all these other options to see the games. That's hard. That's what's hurting us."
But television viewership is not the only factor. This is the first year Marquette basketball games were broadcasted on FOX Sports 1, following a deal between the Big East and the broadcast company.
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What is happening to MU attendance since "Buzz took over in 2009" is happening nationwide. However, MU's decline has been less than average.
Ah so that's what this is about I am blaming Buzz. Are you his wife? A relative?
Where in my original post did I blame Buzz for any of the reasons attendance has decreased? I gave legitimate reasons why attendance hasn't been great this year IMO. The main reason being TV, which your lovely article states as well. So how am I wrong? I'll hang up and listen.
This was the closest thing to "blaming Buzz" I said,"1. The team not playing up to expectations obviously hurts. There are a lot of disgruntled fans with how Buzz has coached this team. This board reflects that, even after wins."
Quote from: mu03eng on February 28, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
It sucks but it's also laziness. 2003 was my senior year and we were heading to PCB for spring break but we made sure to schedule our flights based on timing of the Cincinnati game in which MU won the C-USA title for the first time ever. It's an 11AM game for cripes sake, take a 6PM flight out of Mitchell good and sauced when you hit the bar after an MU win before catching your cab.
And the team sucks isn't a valid point, when plans had to be booked MU was in contention for a conference run.
And now get off my damn grass
You flew to PCB, weak. It's all about the road trip. 15 hours in a packed car sure was fun...
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 12:57:52 PM
Well theyre are also a bunch of service trips leaving that friday and flying out on a saturday is pricey for a college kid.
It is much cheaper to fly out on a saturday.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 28, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
It is much cheaper to fly out on a saturday.
Not to any spring break destination this time of year. The airlines know that.
Somebody should start a subject on the death of MU Great TERRY RAND who passed away in Florida.
Was second all-time scorer. And bigger than some players we have today at 6-9, 230. Was from Green Bay.
Played in late 1950's. Was pretty talented. Successful career after basketball.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 12:59:01 PM
I never made any statement about TV and time effects attendance. If you are asking me, is does effects it! I know the Brewers draw less during the week than the weekends. I never said anything about it that it doesn't. I'm saying it shouldn't, even though it does because the MU game will end around 10'ish, just like a Brewers game.
You keep saying end around 10ish like a Brewer game, what does that mean? Neither team, Brewers or Marquette draw well during the school year on a weeknight. It doesn't matter if you or I think it is "right" or "wrong," it is a fact.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 01:04:09 PM
You keep saying end around 10ish like a Brewer game, what does that mean?
Meaning I don't hear Brewers fan wine about going to games during the week, when they end around 10'ish. I hear MU wine when a game start at 8pm, saying it too late. The game will end around 10'ish. Those are fact! Correct?
Second, I think the Brewers have done well in the past during the week. There was many games in the summer, they were getting 30,000 plus. But, that's summer, kids are out of school and the Brewers were winning the NL Central.
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 12:04:35 PM
Actually, Ann Arbor likely offers more evening activity than Milwaukee. Large college communities offer vibrant, diverse social and cultural opportunities.
Check those stats again. Milwaukee has one of the largest college students concentrations per capita in North America.
Universities/Colleges
Marquette-12,002
UWM-27,813
MATC-27,043
Alverno-2,815
MSOE-2,486
WI Lutheran-1,009
Mount Mary-1,209
Herzing-7,000
Cardinal Stritch-6,093
Total-87,470
That's a pretty large college community. Those are just the ones I can think of.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
I don't think the MU fanbase views Georgetown as a "major rival."
Really? In conference, I would consider them a big rival. Please.
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
Meaning I don't hear Brewers fan wine about going to games during the week, when they end around 10'ish. I hear MU wine when a game start at 8pm, saying it too late. The game will end around 10'ish. Those are fact! Correct?
Second, I think the Brewers have done well in the past during the week. There was many games in the summer, they were getting 30,000 plus. But, that's summer, kids are out of school and the Brewers were winning the NL Central.
You don't hear them "whine" because you aren't on their message board discussing attendance. Brewer fans "whine" by not taking their families to games on school nights....Correct?
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 01:02:49 PM
Not to any spring break destination this time of year. The airlines know that.
I guess agree to disagree. Then they should road trip instead of fly on Saturday.
The bottom line is they value/prioritize other things....that's their call, but then they can't be upset when we "value" their fandom at said level.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
You don't hear them "whine" because you aren't on their message board discussing attendance. Brewer fans "whine" by not taking their families to games on school nights....Correct?
Apples and oranges....Brewers play 82 games at home of which at least a third are school nights. If you don't go to a school night Brewer game there are plenty of other opportunities....not so much for MU. MU tickets are more rare therefore should be more valued than a Brewer ticket.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 28, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
Apples and oranges....Brewers play 82 games at home of which at least a third are school nights. If you don't go to a school night Brewer game there are plenty of other opportunities....not so much for MU. MU tickets are more rare therefore should be more valued than a Brewer ticket.
Agreed, but for the average Milwaukeean, non-alumn, the Brewer ticket is more valued, unfortunately.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Where in my original post did I blame Buzz for any of the reasons attendance has decreased?
From your original post:
"I was talking about this last night with a friend of mine at the game. Many factors are contributing to poor attendance this season. Here is a couple we came up with:
1. The team not playing up to expectations obviously hurts. There are a lot of disgruntled fans with how Buzz has coached this team. This board reflects that, even after wins."
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 01:56:05 PM
From your original post:
"I was talking about this last night with a friend of mine at the game. Many factors are contributing to poor attendance this season. Here is a couple we came up with:
1. The team not playing up to expectations obviously hurts. There are a lot of disgruntled fans with how Buzz has coached this team. This board reflects that, even after wins."
Yeah, I listed that in another post. My intention was not to directly blame Buzz for attendance as it was a small part in a series of reasons. The main reasons IMO were TV, game times, and the quality of the schedule.
The defensiveness of the Slurpers on this board is absolutely pathetic.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
You don't hear them "whine" because you aren't on their message board discussing attendance. Brewer fans "whine" by not taking their families to games on school nights....Correct?
I'm a bat, I love my wine! ;)
If you are saying they whine, I'll take your word. Schools nights are not in June, July and August, when they get at times over 30,000 plus.
Quote from: striker14 on February 28, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
Check those stats again. Milwaukee has one of the largest college students concentrations per capita in North America.
Universities/Colleges
Marquette-12,002
UWM-27,813
MATC-27,043
Alverno-2,815
MSOE-2,486
WI Lutheran-1,009
Mount Mary-1,209
Herzing-7,000
Cardinal Stritch-6,093
Total-87,470
That's a pretty large college community. Those are just the ones I can think of.
MIAD - 740
Carroll - 3,571
UW-Waukesha - 2,150
Concordia - 7,943
MCW - 1,260
Depending on what they count in the metro-Milwaukee population numbers, you could potentially include Parkside, UW-Washington County, etc.
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 28, 2014, 12:24:04 PM
ticket
According to this you are wrong: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
2012 15,138
2011 15,586
2010 15,617
2009 16,200
2008 16,239
Attendance has gone down every year in Buzz's tenure.
How does Buzz stay employed!?!
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 28, 2014, 02:12:36 PM
How does Buzz stay employed!?!
Because he has had tournament success, haven't you heard? He went Sweet 16, Sweet 16, elite 8.
Quote from: striker14 on February 28, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
Check those stats again. Milwaukee has one of the largest college students concentrations per capita in North America.
Universities/Colleges
Marquette-12,002
UWM-27,813
MATC-27,043
Alverno-2,815
MSOE-2,486
WI Lutheran-1,009
Mount Mary-1,209
Herzing-7,000
Cardinal Stritch-6,093
Total-87,470
That's a pretty large college community. Those are just the ones I can think of.
Herzing is not a school, it is a company.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 28, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Back then the Arena capacity was 10,938 for most years and went up to over 11,000 for the years just prior to MU moving to the BC. That 10,938 # is stuck in my mind forever ( and, looking at an old media guide, that is the correct # ). When it became the cell, the Arena was "remodeled" and there are now fewer seats.
As a freshman, capacity was 10,746 (I had to look it up). And of course, every game was sold out. My last three years, I can still remember hearing over and over, "tonight's attendance is 10,938." If Marquette could have played in a 19,000+ seat arena during the McGuire era, every game would have been sold out no matter who the opponent was, or what day or time the game was played.
Getting around 15,000 on a regular basis today, with high ticket prices, every game on TV, and a good but not top-10 type team, sounds like a reasonably successful program to me.
Quote from: Litehouse on February 28, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
MIAD - 740
Carroll - 3,571
UW-Waukesha - 2,150
Concordia - 7,943
MCW - 1,260
Depending on what they count in the metro-Milwaukee population numbers, you could potentially include Parkside, UW-Washington County, etc.
You forgot about ITT Tech, Bryant & Stratton, Phoenix, and Walden Universities??
Quote from: keefe on February 28, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
You forgot about ITT Tech, Bryant & Stratton, Phoenix, and Walden Universities??
And the Bartending Academy on 86th and National.