How should I (we) feel about tonight?
I love a win as much as anyone. And, 2 more wins and we should be in the tourney. However, we had their top 3 post guys fouled out with 7? 8? minutes left in the 2nd half. We had the bonus with 12 minutes to go. Yes, this game was terrible officiated, but we had a 7 point lead a couple times AFTER getting the bonus and gtown players fouling out. How does it come down to the last shot of the game? How?
And this is basically with career games from Gardner and Jake.
I'm guessing one factor is Jamil and Todd didn't know we had a game tonight.
This win leaves me with a sour taste.
And I hate Stockton announcing.
Jake and Davante with career games. Congrats to those guys.
Not sure how I feel about the crazy offense/defense subs in, especially, the first half.
Did we start the game down 15-4? We can't do that. Not sure what to change, except the starting lineup.
Whole team, but especially guards, played outstanding in terms of turnovers.
Edit: changed to make this a more open thread
Less sour than the DePaul win
One Georgetown guy willed them to stay in the game that's how it was so close.
That and they made like 24 free throws
It's a win against another bubble team. Time to feel good.
Starks and Smith-Rivera are awfully good players, and JTIII isn't such a bad coach either.
Also, while we didn't have anyone foul out, we had 4 guys playing with 4 fouls down the stretch.
And it didn't help to have Bad Todd and Bad Jamil on the same night.
Nobody but Gardner could do anything offensively over the last 7-8 minutes. And Georgetown's guards kept scoring and scoring, either from the field or the line. It did seem like we should have had a commanding lead, but never really did.
We won. I missed a lot due to heavey intoxication
But play Ox. Every game. Play Todd every game. Jamil duh. Derrick then Dawson on match ups. Jake. Steve most of time. Sporadic Juan
Plain and simple that wins .
Ox and Todd are winners!!!
Ah the Gtown bigs are all the same. Nothing impressive. The studs are the guards and trawick is pretty good. They weren't in foul trouble and had good games. It was a good win.
Free throws, period.
Gtown was 27 for 30. 90%, amazing.
MU 23 for 34, with two frontend misses.
All other stats, fg%, rebounds, assists, tos, almost equal.
Best stat was MU was down 15 to 4 to start game and came back.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 27, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
We won. I missed a lot due to heavey intoxication
But play Ox. Every game. Play Todd every game. Jamil duh. Derrick then Dawson on match ups. Jake. Steve most of time. Sporadic Juan
Plain and simple that wins .
Ox and Todd are winners!!!
Agree on Todd but not tonight. He was abysmal down the stretch. And Jamil was invisible after bricking four of his first five shots.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 27, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
We won. I missed a lot due to heavey intoxication
But play Ox. Every game. Play Todd every game. Jamil duh. Derrick then Dawson on match ups. Jake. Steve most of time. Sporadic Juan
Plain and simple that wins .
Ox and Todd Jake are winners!!!
FIFY
Jamil and Todd provided nothing tonight. No offense and terrible D. Todd goes for way too many fakes and their guards ate our guards for lunch.
Poor officiating.
But a win is a win. Keep grinding.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
How should I (we) feel about tonight?
I love a win as much as anyone. And, 2 more wins and we should be in the tourney. However, we had their top 3 post guys fouled out with 7? 8? minutes left in the 2nd half. We had the bonus with 12 minutes to go. Yes, this game was terrible officiated, but we had a 7 point lead a couple times AFTER getting the bonus and gtown players fouling out. How does it come down to the last shot of the game? How?
And this is basically with career games from Gardner and Jake.
I'm guessing one factor is Jamil and Todd didn't know we had a game tonight.
This win leaves me with a sour taste.
And I hate Stockton announcing.
That's why when I couldn't decide between Jake or Davante for SOTG, I voted to remove 1 SOTG award each from Jamil and Todd.
Holy crap. Jake had a partial shoulder dislocation in the Depaul game. Swollen/bruised all through the week, including tonight. Not sure which shoulder.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
Holy crap. Jake had a partial shoulder dislocation in the Depaul game. Swollen/bruised all through the week, including tonight. Not sure which shoulder.
Hope he is hurt in the next game.
Quote from: nyg on February 27, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
Gtown was 27 for 30. 90%, amazing.
Three players accounted for 23 of the made FTs. Starks was 10-10, Rivera was 5-6 and trawick was 8-8.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
Holy crap. Jake had a partial shoulder dislocation in the Depaul game. Swollen/bruised all through the week, including tonight. Not sure which shoulder.
Thanks - I was wondering why he had the wrap.
Only this year would we have a thread complaining about beating Georgetown by any amount.... they're a good team and we didn't even play our top game... but we still win and live to see another day so let's move on to Sunday.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
Holy crap. Jake had a partial shoulder dislocation in the Depaul game. Swollen/bruised all through the week, including tonight. Not sure which shoulder.
Buzz said he was not supposed to play (doubtful), but that he insisted to be in the lineup.
If you can't enjoy the wins, what's the point of being a fan?
This was a really good win. Borderline bizarre second half, with the ref show and all. Georgetown barely had to make a FG to stay in the game. They played with great poise down the stretch on the defensive end, given the foul trouble. Made just enough plays to win.
More importantly, that's a sweep of a team MU might be up against for a bid. Big win.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhiQEFnCIAAvV-d.jpg)
is it common for that many players to be icing their knees after a game?
also, flood looks like he's been spending quite a bit of time in the weight room
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 28, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhiQEFnCIAAvV-d.jpg)
is it common for that many players to be icing their knees after a game?
also, flood looks like he's been spending quite a bit of time in the weight room
Some of the DNPs and barely played players have ice on their knees. Wonder what the deal is
Thats a sweet lockerroom. Why the hell is Apollo 11 "retired" absolutely no reason for that. (certainly doesnt help that its my favorite number as well)
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 12:49:26 AM
Thats a sweet lockerroom. Why the hell is Apollo 11 "retired" absolutely no reason for that. (certainly doesnt help that its my favorite number as well)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19890726&id=nWkaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aywEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4970,1739617
It was Al's idea. Cool story actually.
Quote from: esard2011 on February 28, 2014, 12:49:26 AM
Thats a sweet lockerroom. Why the hell is Apollo 11 "retired" absolutely no reason for that. (certainly doesnt help that its my favorite number as well)
http://www.marquette.edu/universityhonors/peremarquette.shtml
might have something to do with that.
Edit: TAMU beat me to it
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
Holy crap. Jake had a partial shoulder dislocation in the Depaul game. Swollen/bruised all through the week, including tonight. Not sure which shoulder.
The one the python is coiled around.
1. Most poorly officiated game ever.
2. Amazing to win with Jamil and Todd playing so poorly that I was happy when Juan came in the game.
3. Jake was the real deal. Perhaps he can play at this level.
4. Loved how Davante took over as the Georgetown big men left.
5. Most poorly officiated game ever.
6. Juan, Steve, nice games. You both looked comfortable out there.
7. John Dawson, you held your own. Not a repeat of the other Georgetown game, but you held down the fort when Derrick got in foul trouble.
8. Still waiting for Georgetown to miss a free throw. That stuff is contagious.
9. Can't get mad at the fans for being quiet. No flow to the game.
10. Not yet on the bubble, but we can see it from here.
Quote from: tower912 on February 28, 2014, 05:18:58 AM
1. Most poorly officiated game ever.
2. Amazing to win with Jamil and Todd playing so poorly that I was happy when Juan came in the game.
3. Jake was the real deal. Perhaps he can play at this level.
4. Loved how Davante took over as the Georgetown big men left.
5. Most poorly officiated game ever.
6. Juan, Steve, nice games. You both looked comfortable out there.
7. John Dawson, you held your own. Not a repeat of the other Georgetown game, but you held down the fort when Derrick got in foul trouble.
8. Still waiting for Georgetown to miss a free throw. That stuff is contagious.
9. Can't get mad at the fans for being quiet. No flow to the game.
10. Not yet on the bubble, but we can see it from here.
11. worst officiated game EVER! i am glad we won. i am sure the Georgetown fans feel they were jobbed but we ended up getting more fouls.
* This is news to no one, but Davante has amazing hands. And those two assists to STj were outstanding
* Can those who have crapped on Jake all year, as well as calling Buzz stupid for playing him, please stand up? The exit is right over there.
* STj loves him some zone defenses
* Solid game from Juan. Square up to the basket young man and you'll have more offensive success
* Who stole the refs from the 1st half and replaced them with The Three Jim Burrs?
**STJr was OK on the offensive end, but two consecutive fouls deep in the offensive end when Georgetown was in the bonus? Eh...
I think people have a tendency to forget there are two teams out there. I thought we played well. I thought Georgetown played well. We were the beneficiaries of an abundance of calls, IMO and we won the games what's there to complain about?
1. Jake was money.
2. Davante was a beast.
3. Refereeing in second half was ridiculous. You have to be able to play defense.
4. Seems like when we get a lead we relax/get lazy for a few possessions and take less than ideal shots (e.g. long 2 point jumpers with plenty of shot clock available). To me, this is a recurring theme for this team.
5. Georgetown's guards are great, they were Creighton like knocking down 3s early. Luckily they couldn't keep up the pace.
6. Early foul shooting was shaky, better in crunch time (mostly because Gardner was taking the foul shots)
7. If Gardner rates closely to Otule as a defender, it is because Otule's constant looking to help, sometimes ill-advised, takes him out of rebounding position. I just don't see what some others see where he gets beat in the low post more than Gardner. Once in a while he gets scored upon. So did Partick Ewing. It happens.
8. I don't recall ever having seen a make up technical before.
9. Nice to see Steve Taylor, Jr. doing some nice things.
10. Dawson got 18 minutes, but Deonte hardly any run and JJJ a DNP again. I think Buzz has decided to go with a short rotation which always includes Derrick, Thomas, Jamil, Davante, Otule and Mayo, and then mixes in 2 or 3 of Anderson, Burton, Taylor and Dawson as he sees fit for that day.
11. I like when Derrick pushes the ball and wish he would do it more often.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
7. If Gardner rates closely to Otule as a defender, it is because Otule's constant looking to help, sometimes ill-advised, takes him out of rebounding position. I just don't see what some others see where he gets beat in the low post more than Gardner. Once in a while he gets scored upon. So did Partick Ewing. It happens.
No, anyone who tells you Davante is a better 1 v 1 post defender is not accurate according to Synergy. The ppp vs. Otule on post ups is .575, in the 90th percentile of all college players. For Ox, it's a respectable .784, in the 60th percentile. Not to mention that Otule has been posted up 3 more times than Gardner. Chris struggles closing out shooters, but he is elite when it comes to the low post.
1. Some of the weirdest line-up combinations I've seen all year out there, and they were productive. Dawson, Thomas, Otule, Juan and Steve Jr.? Just crazy ones.
2. Terrible officiating
3. Enough of the "bad" Jamil and "good" Jamil. At this point, it's just "Jamil". He is what he is - an inconsistent player w/tons of potential w/not a ton of b-ball iq. He has good games and bad games, but regardless, he always makes at least 3-4 plays a game you just scratch your head at
4. Good to see Dawson respond out there
5. To all the DW haters, Dawson still had a stat line equivalent to, or worse, than a normal DW game. So...just saying.
6. Jake playing with more confidence then I've ever seen. Finally hitting some shots has him realizing he can be productive. God...I wish he played like this earlier in the year.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
1. Jake was money.
2. Davante was a beast.
3. Refereeing in second half was ridiculous. You have to be able to play defense.
4. Seems like when we get a lead we relax/get lazy for a few possessions and take less than ideal shots (e.g. long 2 point jumpers with plenty of shot clock available). To me, this is a recurring theme for this team.
5. Georgetown's guards are great, they were Creighton like knocking down 3s early. Luckily they couldn't keep up the pace.
6. Early foul shooting was shaky, better in crunch time (mostly because Gardner was taking the foul shots)
7. If Gardner rates closely to Otule as a defender, it is because Otule's constant looking to help, sometimes ill-advised, takes him out of rebounding position. I just don't see what some others see where he gets beat in the low post more than Gardner. Once in a while he gets scored upon. So did Partick Ewing. It happens.
8. I don't recall ever having seen a make up technical before.
9. Nice to see Steve Taylor, Jr. doing some nice things.
10. Dawson got 18 minutes, but Deonte hardly any run and JJJ a DNP again. I think Buzz has decided to go with a short rotation which always includes Derrick, Thomas, Jamil, Davante, Otule and Mayo, and then mixes in 2 or 3 of Anderson, Burton, Taylor and Dawson as he sees fit for that day.
11. I like when Derrick pushes the ball and wish he would do it more often.
+1.... Against a decent opponent it seems like we can never get a decent sized lead and just hold onto it. Seems like the opposing team is always able to get back into the game fairly quickly due to some poor shots and some stupid offensive fouls/turnovers. I'm not talking about this game specifically but I've also noticed it to be a trend throughout the year.
I'm glad we beat Georgetown who beat Michigan State.
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on February 28, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
+1.... Against a decent opponent it seems like we can never get a decent sized lead and just hold onto it. Seems like the opposing team is always able to get back into the game fairly quickly due to some poor shots and some stupid offensive fouls/turnovers. I'm not talking about this game specifically but I've also noticed it to be a trend throughout the year.
One of the major reasons why they can not hold leads is the inability of having some knock down defenders, every good Big East team has good guards and our guards can not defend. Jake
and Mayo are limited and not quick or really physical. Derrick is just average and Dawson weak at best. If you can defend, you can not increase leads. Starks and Rivera killed us yesterday,
could get anywhere they wanted on the court. This is why I will burst our bubble and say MU will have a difficult time the next two games against Archie and Cotton. I do not know how Duane Wilson defends, but I know he is quick. His quickness on D is missing. The other point I would like to add is Jamil Wilson. He is such a streak shooter. Yesterday when he missed his first shot, I said to myself, another bad game scoring for Jamil and I was right. He does not have an offensive mind just to keep on shooting. The second half he barely took a shot. Need his
scoring.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 28, 2014, 08:36:32 AM
* This is news to no one, but Davante has amazing hands. And those two assists to STj were outstanding
* Can those who have crapped on Jake all year, as well as calling Buzz stupid for playing him, please stand up? The exit is right over there.
* STj loves him some zone defenses
* Solid game from Juan. Square up to the basket young man and you'll have more offensive success
* Who stole the refs from the 1st half and replaced them with The Three Jim Burrs?
Had this Jake showed up more often in the first half of the season, he never would have been crapped on.
As for the refs, yes, this was a terribly officiated game. Thankfully, they swallowed their whistles when we hammered Smith-Rivera on that last shot. Given some of the barely touch fouls both teams had been called for, it was a pleasant surprise!
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
1. Jake was money.
2. Davante was a beast.
3. Refereeing in second half was ridiculous. You have to be able to play defense.
4. Seems like when we get a lead we relax/get lazy for a few possessions and take less than ideal shots (e.g. long 2 point jumpers with plenty of shot clock available). To me, this is a recurring theme for this team.
5. Georgetown's guards are great, they were Creighton like knocking down 3s early. Luckily they couldn't keep up the pace.
6. Early foul shooting was shaky, better in crunch time (mostly because Gardner was taking the foul shots)
7. If Gardner rates closely to Otule as a defender, it is because Otule's constant looking to help, sometimes ill-advised, takes him out of rebounding position. I just don't see what some others see where he gets beat in the low post more than Gardner. Once in a while he gets scored upon. So did Partick Ewing. It happens.
8. I don't recall ever having seen a make up technical before.
9. Nice to see Steve Taylor, Jr. doing some nice things.
10. Dawson got 18 minutes, but Deonte hardly any run and JJJ a DNP again. I think Buzz has decided to go with a short rotation which always includes Derrick, Thomas, Jamil, Davante, Otule and Mayo, and then mixes in 2 or 3 of Anderson, Burton, Taylor and Dawson as he sees fit for that day.
11. I like when Derrick pushes the ball and wish he would do it more often.
4. Seems like when we get a lead we relax/get lazy for a few possessions and take less than ideal shots (e.g. long 2 point jumpers with plenty of shot clock available). To me, this is a recurring theme for this team.So frustrating. Happens almost every game....
11. I like when Derrick pushes the ball and wish he would do it more often. i like the idea as it gets us ahead of the Defense, but the execution is often lacking...
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2014, 09:29:29 AM
Thankfully, they swallowed their whistles when we hammered Smith-Rivera on that last shot.
Yeah, that didn't happen. Watch it again, they showed the angle from the basket cam. Neither Juan nor Jamil touched him. Did a great job of staying vertical and not getting him with the body.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 28, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
One of the major reasons why they can not hold leads is the inability of having some knock down defenders, every good Big East team has good guards and our guards can not defend. Jake
and Mayo are limited and not quick or really physical. Derrick is just average and Dawson weak at best. If you can defend, you can not increase leads. Starks and Rivera killed us yesterday,
could get anywhere they wanted on the court. This is why I will burst our bubble and say MU will have a difficult time the next two games against Archie and Cotton. I do not know how Duane Wilson defends, but I know he is quick. His quickness on D is missing. The other point I would like to add is Jamil Wilson. He is such a streak shooter. Yesterday when he missed his first shot, I said to myself, another bad game scoring for Jamil and I was right. He does not have an offensive mind just to keep on shooting. The second half he barely took a shot. Need his
scoring.
Sometimes, it's just good offense. Those two guys have been able to do it against good defensive teams and bad defensive teams
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 28, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
Yeah, that didn't happen. Watch it again, they showed the angle from the basket cam. Neither Juan nor Jamil touched him. Did a great job of staying vertical and not getting him with the body.
This. Great defense on the last possession.
Quote from: mugrack on February 27, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
Less sour than the DePaul win
DePaul just might be playing better. They beat Seton Hall after us. I am interested to see how St. John's game turns out. DePaul may be upticking and St. John's may be down ticking. It might be a more interesting game than I originally thought. I think DePaul beat St. John's the first game.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 28, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
Yeah, that didn't happen. Watch it again, they showed the angle from the basket cam. Neither Juan nor Jamil touched him. Did a great job of staying vertical and not getting him with the body.
Glad to hear that. We were watching on a bar TV with no volume. From the one view I saw of it, I thought our lads hit him but obviously I will defer to a viewer who saw the replays. I do know that Derrick did a heck of a job forcing a tough shot on the previous possession because I saw that replay a couple of times.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 28, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
**STJr was OK on the offensive end, but two consecutive fouls deep in the offensive end when Georgetown was in the bonus? Eh...
Those were extremely weak calls even for the way the refs were calling it last night. One of them I don't believe ST touched the gtown player.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on February 28, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
I'm glad we beat Georgetown who beat Michigan State.
Finally, an indirect Top 25 win.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2014, 02:35:00 PMI do know that Derrick did a heck of a job forcing a tough shot on the previous possession because I saw that replay a couple of times.
Did a really nice job of shading Starks away from the basket without using his body.
Also, not enough people are talking about the charge Derrick took late. He made a fantastic read on that play. He was guarding up top when the ball started moving to the corner where Starks was. He saw the baseline drive coming, and hauled ass to get in perfect position near the block. Huge play.