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Title: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 25, 2014, 10:22:42 PM
Ended a 10 game losing streak by beating Seton Hall at home.

Good for them.  Now watch them win two or three in a row and save Purnell's arse.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: keefe on February 25, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
How could they possibly justify keeping Purnell? Even if they run the table they have had another atrocious season. 
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: mr.MUskie on February 25, 2014, 10:43:04 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 25, 2014, 10:22:42 PM
Ended a 10 game losing streak by beating Seton Hall at home.

Good for them.  Now watch them win two or three in a row and save Purnell's arse.


Losing by winning.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 26, 2014, 07:42:49 AM
Good for DePaul. Their young guards are very good. If they were in the MVC or Horizon they'd be considered good. But in the Big East they stink. It's all relative.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: jsglow on February 26, 2014, 07:46:46 AM
Quote from: keefe on February 25, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
How could they possibly justify keeping Purnell? Even if they run the table they have had another atrocious season. 

Three words.  Billy Garrett Jr.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: warriorchick on February 26, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
Did the fan(s) rush the court?

I know at the Marquette game, they had security and police in place for that possibility.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NavinRJohnson on February 26, 2014, 08:03:28 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 26, 2014, 07:46:46 AM
Three words.  Billy Garrett Jr.

Those three words are justification for keeping Purnell?
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Windyplayer on February 26, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 26, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
Did the fan(s) rush the court?

I know at the Marquette game, they had security and police in place for that possibility.
I watched it on TV and I would be shocked if there were 1,000 people there. I hand counted about 15 students.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 26, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Quote from: keefe on February 25, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
How could they possibly justify keeping Purnell? Even if they run the table they have had another atrocious season. 

They have to give him like 1/2 of the basketball team's budget for the next four years or so whether he's there or not.  Does DePaul have a Dick Strong to bail them out?
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 26, 2014, 08:51:44 AM
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 26, 2014, 08:03:28 AM
Those three words are justification for keeping Purnell?

With Purnell gone, there's a good chance that they lose him, and he's the best player they've had there in some time.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: River rat on February 26, 2014, 08:54:09 AM
I wonder where Ners will be sleeping tonite, for sure he bet the house on Seton Hall. 
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
They have to give him like 1/2 of the basketball team's budget for the next four years or so whether he's there or not.  Does DePaul have a Dick Strong to bail them out?

Richard Driehaus
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NavinRJohnson on February 26, 2014, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 08:51:44 AM
With Purnell gone, there's a good chance that they lose him, and he's the best player they've had there in some time.

Great, so they'll win 6 games with him. Hes not exactly Dwayne Wade. They need a complete rebuild...again. To hang onto Purnell because of once decent player doesn't accomplish much.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NavinRJohnson on February 26, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
They have to give him like 1/2 of the basketball team's budget for the next four years or so whether he's there or not.  Does DePaul have a Dick Strong to bail them out?

He's owed like $6-7 million on the contract, so it it very safe to assume the buyout is significantly less than that.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
Quote from: River rat on February 26, 2014, 08:54:09 AM
I wonder where Ners will be sleeping tonite, for sure he bet the house on Seton Hall. 

LOL - Nope...learned a lesson after the MU game...and I've never felt Seton Hall is very good.  But, if it makes you feel better...I did take a pretty good hit betting on St. John's last night...didn't see that coming.

But..I did win quite nicely on Wichita over Bradley...moneyline and against the line...were only giving 12...
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
LOL - Nope...learned a lesson after the MU game...and I've never felt Seton Hall is very good.  But, if it makes you feel better...I did take a pretty good hit betting on St. John's last night...didn't see that coming.

But..I did win quite nicely on Wichita over Bradley...moneyline and against the line...were only giving 12...

I treat St. John's like an NBA team.  Never bet on a game they are playing in.  They are either extremely hot and blow out someone in what you think will be a competitive game or extremely cold and lose to someone you think they have no business being in a game with.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2014, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
I treat St. John's like an NBA team.  Never bet on a game they are playing in.  They are either extremely hot and blow out someone in what you think will be a competitive game or extremely cold and lose to someone you think they have no business being in a game with.

Probably a good philosophy on St. Johns - they had just been trending so well - was hard to bet against them at home to X, coming off the egg X laid at GTown.  I generally like to only bet on the moneyline (pick the winner) for a lower return than picking against the line...and that's how I bet them last night.

To your NBA point...totally agree.  I never bet NBA..don't bet anything other than college hoop...although early non conference college football can offer some good probabilities for return...do 3-4 team parlay on moneyline picking heavy favorites...
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: GOO on February 26, 2014, 09:36:08 AM
Let's hope DePaul doesn't replace him.  I would fear that one of our assistants with Chicago ties would be a top candidate.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 26, 2014, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: GOO on February 26, 2014, 09:36:08 AM
Let's hope DePaul doesn't replace him.  I would fear that one of our assistants with Chicago ties would be a top candidate.

I think that Sultan might be correct that a hire with Marquette ties would probably be too tough a pill to swallow for DePaul fandom.  Kind of like an AD from ND at Marquette.  Since Lenti-Ponsetto is married to that Ponsetto, she'd hear about it at home, if she was considering it.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Archies Bat on February 26, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 09:39:03 AM
I think that Sultan might be correct that a hire with Marquette ties would probably be too tough a pill to swallow for DePaul fandom.

They will eventually both get over it.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 09:41:49 AM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 09:31:53 AM
Probably a good philosophy on St. Johns - they had just been trending so well - was hard to bet against them at home to X, coming off the egg X laid at GTown.  I generally like to only bet on the moneyline (pick the winner) for a lower return than picking against the line...and that's how I bet them last night.

To your NBA point...totally agree.  I never bet NBA..don't bet anything other than college hoop...although early non conference college football can offer some good probabilities for return...do 3-4 team parlay on moneyline picking heavy favorites...

Pretty sound strategy overall.  I do like to bet against the line when I see lines that to me seem way too generous 1 way or another.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on February 26, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 26, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
Did the fan(s) rush the court?

I know at the Marquette game, they had security and police in place for that possibility.

I was at the game.  We actually jokingly brought up the question about whether or not a visiting teams fans ever rushed the court because of all the yellow there.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 26, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 26, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
They will eventually both get over it.

:D
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: T-Bone on February 26, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
I believe that leaves DePaul at 10-100 in BE play over the last 5 years.  Something around there.  I remember the announcers saying in the MU game that it would be DePaul's 10th win or 100th loss.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: GOO on February 26, 2014, 10:18:21 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 09:39:03 AM
I think that Sultan might be correct that a hire with Marquette ties would probably be too tough a pill to swallow for DePaul fandom.  Kind of like an AD from ND at Marquette.  Since Lenti-Ponsetto is married to that Ponsetto, she'd hear about it at home, if she was considering it.

That would be nice if that was the case... but I suspect that will be a minor point in trying to get the right person for the job.    Getting someone from Chicago, would likely be a bigger positive for DePaul.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: River rat on February 26, 2014, 10:22:10 AM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
LOL - Nope...learned a lesson after the MU game...and I've never felt Seton Hall is very good.  But, if it makes you feel better...I did take a pretty good hit betting on St. John's last night...didn't see that coming.

But..I did win quite nicely on Wichita over Bradley...moneyline and against the line...were only giving 12...

So you are saying you have been wrong on every Big east game you mention? And what lesson did you learn?  That road wins in the Big east are not to be assumed or taken for granted?   Good for you hopefully, it reduced the amount of moronic diatribes we have to endure.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: River rat on February 26, 2014, 10:22:10 AM
So you are saying you have been wrong on every Big east game you mention? And what lesson did you learn?  That road wins in the Big east are not to be assumed or taken for granted?   Good for you hopefully, it reduced the amount of moronic diatribes we have to endure.

I agree....our road win at Georgetown was huge.  Slightly more impressive than our recent victory at DePaul...too bad we frittered away the opportunity at mighty Butler.

As for moronic comment - it takes two to tango - if only the idiocy on your side of the debate didn't exist, you'd never have to endure the "moronic diatribes."

Perhaps one day you'll be able to acknowledge the reality of this season...highly ineffective starting backcourt play...particularly at PG.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: willie warrior on February 26, 2014, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 08:51:44 AM
With Purnell gone, there's a good chance that they lose him, and he's the best player they've had there in some time.
And a collective sigh of relief from Scoop, because we have nobody that can lock him down.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 26, 2014, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: T-Bone on February 26, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
I believe that leaves DePaul at 10-100 in BE play over the last 5 years.  Something around there.  I remember the announcers saying in the MU game that it would be DePaul's 10th win or 100th loss.

Had to do the math: .090909%.  One more win (without a loss) gets them to 10%.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2014, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
I agree....our road win at Georgetown was huge.  Slightly more impressive than our recent victory at DePaul...too bad we frittered away the opportunity at mighty Butler.

Agree. A win over Butler, despite their record, would definitely help MU's overall perception that it is NCAA tourney worthy.

It'll be different with Gtown this time. Trawick is healthy.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: CTWarrior on February 26, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 12:05:47 PM
Had to do the math: .090909%.  One more win (without a loss) gets them to 10%.

I heard that too, so I looked it up.  They were wrong, DePaul is now 10-96 (.094) in regular season action over the past 6 seasons, including this one.  They are 11-101 (.098) if you count the Big East Tournament over that stretch.  3-15 is their best finish, they have two shots to beat that this year, as they are currently 3-13.  They finish home against Butler, so I think they do it.
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: Windyplayer on February 26, 2014, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
Perhaps one day you'll be able to acknowledge the reality of this season...highly ineffective starting backcourt play...particularly at PG.
What are your thoughts on Dawson at PG?
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2014, 12:28:56 PM
Quote from: windyplayer on February 26, 2014, 12:26:50 PM
What are your thoughts on Dawson at PG?

Nice...well played.   ;D
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: River rat on February 26, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
I agree....our road win at Georgetown was huge.  Slightly more impressive than our recent victory at DePaul...too bad we frittered away the opportunity at mighty Butler.

As for moronic comment - it takes two to tango - if only the idiocy on your side of the debate didn't exist, you'd never have to endure the "moronic diatribes."

Perhaps one day you'll be able to acknowledge the reality of this season...highly ineffective starting backcourt play...particularly at PG.

Wrong i have had on numerous occassions stated that we have the worst backcourt in the big east.  Problem is your solution to it (dawson) is as i stated moronic.  Taylor n blue left, duane got hurt 20 posts a day saying dwil n jake arent very good isnt gonna change that.  And buzz throwing those two under the bus is only gonna make one person happy (you).  But thats not what a coach does, and he  inwardly knows this backcourt is weak but you dance with who you brung.  No midsaeson trades in college
Title: Re: DePaul Beats Seton Hall
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2014, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: River rat on February 26, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Wrong i have had on numerous occassions stated that we have the worst backcourt in the big east.  Problem is your solution to it (dawson) is as i stated moronic.  Taylor n blue left, duane got hurt 20 posts a day saying dwil n jake arent very good isnt gonna change that.  And buzz throwing those two under the bus is only gonna make one person happy (you).  But thats not what a coach does, and he  inwardly knows this backcourt is weak but you dance with who you brung.  No midsaeson trades in college

That's funny....you are convinced Duane Wilson would have gotten significant minutes....word from Buzz was that "he had a long way to go" to be ready for Big East ball in the Media Day in mid October...before any of the stress fracture issues.  Duane likely will be very good, but he also was quite thin entering MU and likely would have had challenges as well.

I just find it mornoic that you feel my preferred solution is moronic - in that he hasn't been given much of a chance...and other Seton Hall game...he certainly didn't look overmatched at any point in time...and he can knock down 3's and FTs much better than the current option...

If we were winning games against SOME Top 50 teams due to great defense (Derrick's calling card), then I'd be at peace with things..but the defensive approach largely hasn't worked...and many teams PG  has gone off on us as it is.

So, if you acknowledge our starting backcourt is the worst in the Big East - what's the harm in changing dance partners at some point?  It worked out fairly well the one game Dawson got 30.  And if you can't see that Dawson has a lot of talent/potential...well...I guess I'm not surprised...given your moronic take on the situation.. 
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