Seems only way we stay in the game is if the refs allow us to. What a bummer. ;D
http://bluejayunderground.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2975&sid=f7d857f87179e0e9f11f5bc03c42629f&start=30
How pitiful...
Hard to argue with it. Style of play and how it is officiated could definitely play a role. As long as the refs are consistent and don't decide one half will be called one way and another half another way, all I can ask for.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Hard to argue with it. Style of play and how it is officiated could definitely play a role. As long as the refs are consistent and don't decide one half will be called one way and another half another way, all I can ask for.
The only response I have to that is welcome to the Big East. This aint the MVC anymore.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Hard to argue with it. Style of play and how it is officiated could definitely play a role. As long as the refs are consistent and don't decide one half will be called one way and another half another way, all I can ask for.
I'm just having fun. Still, seemed pretty premature to me. It's honestly probably a regular thing they discuss considering the way their team plays.
Isn't Burr officiating? In that case, they are planning well. And we also get to preemptively blame the refs should we not win tomorrow because we know it will be a horribly officiated game.
I was wondering which of the newbies would be the first ones to be crying about how it's too physical
I think the comments on there were pretty good. Most of them are concerned about how well we play at home and the way we have been forcing TO's.
They are right. Some homecooking from the refs would certainly help us. But I don't think any more so than any other game this season.
I actually see it the other way. Creighton shoots a ton of outside shots which typically means they are less likely to draw fouls. MU on the other hand gets a lot of points in the paint through DG in the post and penetration. If the refs swallow their whistles, we are in trouble not Creighton. Calling a close game is the difference between Gardner with 20 pts or Gardner with 10 pts. Likewise, allowing significant contact on penetration significantly limits Mayo and completely eliminates DWilson's limited offensive abilities.
Anyone know who the refs and announcers are?
I am hoping for KO, and anyone but Burr.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Hard to argue with it. Style of play and how it is officiated could definitely play a role. As long as the refs are consistent and don't decide one half will be called one way and another half another way, all I can ask for.
I always felt the refs could determine the outcome of the game by deciding how to call it before the game. Every game seem to have a different emphasis. Some games there are a lot of fouls called. Some games the refs watch the feet and some games there are virtually no traveling calls. Sure it is fine to have both sides called equally, but the reffing emphasis usually hurts one team more than another. Look at Providence. With their short bench, do they have a chance to beat MU in a game were a lot of fouls are called. I would say know. We cannot beat teams like St. John's and Xavier, if the refs are going to call every touch foul when a guard drives it to the basket. The first Xavier game we could not stop Christian, because we could not touch him on a drive. The last Xavier game the refs allowed it to be a physical game. There is no way you can stop McDermott, if you cannot touch him. We need the style of game that was called in the last Xavier game.
Quote from: MUSF on February 19, 2014, 12:23:17 AM
I actually see it the other way. Creighton shoots a ton of outside shots which typically means they are less likely to draw fouls. MU on the other hand gets a lot of points in the paint through DG in the post and penetration. If the refs swallow their whistles, we are in trouble not Creighton. Calling a close game is the difference between Gardner with 20 pts or Gardner with 10 pts. Likewise, allowing significant contact on penetration significantly limits Mayo and completely eliminates DWilson's limited offensive abilities.
Agreed. If they call it close, Davante and Todd will live at the line.
If Burr is one of the officials, more than half of his calls will be wrong because he will be out of position.
Quote from: bilsu on February 19, 2014, 07:21:46 AM
There is no way you can stop McDermott, if you cannot touch him.
True. Key is going to be keeping him out on the perimeter (guarded) as much as possible. I just know how they're going to do that.
MU's "physical play" also is the focus in Chili's game day article thread, including comments from Coach McD on the same; likely trying to condition the refs.
I thought someone posted Raferty and Johnson are doing the game tonight.
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on February 19, 2014, 10:24:01 AM
I thought someone posted Raferty and Johnson are doing the game tonight.
Raferty and Larrivee
I will say I love when KO does the broadcasts. Hes very insightful and (obviously) knows a lot about the game.
I don't think it will be Burr, as he reefed the 'Nova/ Creighton game on Sun... I would be surprised if he would do back to back Creighton games. :)
Damn Creighton fans.
Don't they know that blaming the refs is our job?!?!?
Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2014, 11:14:09 AM
Don't they know that blaming the refs is our job?!?!?
Or every fanbase of every team that was subject to refereeing since the dawn of time.
Quote from: MUSF on February 19, 2014, 12:23:17 AM
I actually see it the other way. Creighton shoots a ton of outside shots which typically means they are less likely to draw fouls. MU on the other hand gets a lot of points in the paint through DG in the post and penetration. If the refs swallow their whistles, we are in trouble not Creighton. Calling a close game is the difference between Gardner with 20 pts or Gardner with 10 pts. Likewise, allowing significant contact on penetration significantly limits Mayo and completely eliminates DWilson's limited offensive abilities.
This is very true especially regarding OX.
It is not often he takes more than 8-10 shots in a game. So you expect about 5-6 FGs(sometimes only 3 if it takes even less). He's gotta get to the line to get more.
No need to complain they are the better team
Quote from: MUSF on February 19, 2014, 12:23:17 AM
I actually see it the other way. Creighton shoots a ton of outside shots which typically means they are less likely to draw fouls. MU on the other hand gets a lot of points in the paint through DG in the post and penetration. If the refs swallow their whistles, we are in trouble not Creighton. Calling a close game is the difference between Gardner with 20 pts or Gardner with 10 pts. Likewise, allowing significant contact on penetration significantly limits Mayo and completely eliminates DWilson's limited offensive abilities.
Officiating can be very strange in games. Often they call it tight in the paint and relaxed off the ball and on the perimeter. We need that kind of officiating. Would allow us to be aggressive in denying entry passes (to McBuckets) and defending the perimeter (where their points come), but allow us to live at the line with Gardner and Mayo...here's to hoping we get that type of officiating.
Quote from: bilsu on February 19, 2014, 07:21:46 AM
I always felt the refs could determine the outcome of the game by deciding how to call it before the game. Every game seem to have a different emphasis. Some games there are a lot of fouls called. Some games the refs watch the feet and some games there are virtually no traveling calls. Sure it is fine to have both sides called equally, but the reffing emphasis usually hurts one team more than another. Look at Providence. With their short bench, do they have a chance to beat MU in a game were a lot of fouls are called. I would say know. We cannot beat teams like St. John's and Xavier, if the refs are going to call every touch foul when a guard drives it to the basket. The first Xavier game we could not stop Christian, because we could not touch him on a drive. The last Xavier game the refs allowed it to be a physical game. There is no way you can stop McDermott, if you cannot touch him. We need the style of game that was called in the last Xavier game.
This reminded me of a Michael Jordan story. During the playoffs one year when he heard who the officials were he said; "Alright, we win, tonight." I forget the details of the story, but it was along the lines of Jordan knew the refs and their call tendencies and this crew was a good match for what the Bulls did.
Since when did Dodds become a Creighton fan? :P
That guy probably blames refs for Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Hard to argue with it. Style of play and how it is officiated could definitely play a role. As long as the refs are consistent and don't decide one half will be called one way and another half another way, all I can ask for.
Is it me or am I seeing something that is just not there? Are the refs allowing a little more contact than at the beginning of the season? It seems that you can bump your opponent with your body, but just don't reach in with your hands.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2014, 12:52:15 PM
Is it me or am I seeing something that is just not there? Are the refs allowing a little more contact than at the beginning of the season? It seems that you can bump your opponent with your body, but just don't reach in with your hands.
It definitely appears to me that the refs have fallen back to the old style of calling games. Occasionally during games, they'll have stretches where they then implement the new rules. Pretty inconsistent which is the worst thing for players. At least this is how I've seen in the last month or so.
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 19, 2014, 03:22:53 PM
It definitely appears to me that the refs have fallen back to the old style of calling games. Occasionally during games, they'll have stretches where they then implement the new rules. Pretty inconsistent which is the worst thing for players. At least this is how I've seen in the last month or so.
Big 10 games are even worse, the calls are all over the place.