I went down with a friend to the Mizzou-Tennessee bball game. Tennessee plays a 2 guard 3 forward offense with maymon as a starting forward. He scored 5 pts and played extensively on the low block. While he is labeled a forward, his role was very different from the other forwards...he guarded mizzous 5 and spent most of his time setting screens and interchanging sides on the low post. He did not take a shot from more than 8 feet away and wasn't utiliZed much. In short his role was like that of a 5. I found it very ironic considering his reason for transferring.
Wonder what Daddy is thinking?
Well, he and Vander Blue can tour Europe together!
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 16, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Wonder what Daddy is thinking?
Well, he and Vander Blue can tour Europe together!
There are worse ways to spend your 20s than touring Europe while being paid to play basketball.
Like, pretty much all of them.
Quote from: Hold the Mayo on February 16, 2014, 02:42:19 PM
I found it very ironic considering his reason for transferring.
What is offered for public consumption is not always the meal served behind the velvet curtain. Maymon "leaving" was 98% Tim and 2% Jeronne.
Quote from: Hold the Mayo on February 16, 2014, 02:42:19 PM
I went down with a friend to the Mizzou-Tennessee bball game. Tennessee plays a 2 guard 3 forward offense with maymon as a starting forward. He scored 5 pts and played extensively on the low block. While he is labeled a forward, his role was very different from the other forwards...he guarded mizzous 5 and spent most of his time setting screens and interchanging sides on the low post. He did not take a shot from more than 8 feet away and wasn't utiliZed much. In short his role was like that of a 5. I found it very ironic considering his reason for transferring.
yeah and this has always been his role too.
Havn't seen him much this year but in other years at Tennessee it was the same thing and he was a brick layer at the free throw line.
Kind of reminiscent of Dameon Mason going to LSU. Should have been a star in the Big East, instead his career just fizzled. http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=185992
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2014, 03:08:04 PM
Kind of reminiscent of Dameon Mason going to LSU. Should have been a star in the Big East, instead his career just fizzled. http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=185992
Mason should have ended up in the Marquette Pantheon of Heroes. What a waste of talent.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 16, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Wonder what Daddy is thinking?
Well, he and Vander Blue can tour Europe together!
Who cares what daddy is thinking? People said he was a head case.
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
Mason should have ended up in the Marquette Pantheon of Heroes. What a waste of talent.
Agreed. Saw Mason in high school. Thought he had all the tools to be a force in college. His sophomore season at MU should have been the start, not the pinnacle of his career. Plus he had an NBA body. Came from a solid background, too. Always struck me from a distance as a nice kid.
Very unfortunate it ended the way it did. Sic transit gloria mundi.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
Who cares what daddy is thinking? People said he was a head case.
Precisely the point, Willie. From what I am told the final straw was some unacceptable behavior at the Kohl Center before the MU-UW game. Not worth repeating but it is the stuff that makes a warrior want to kick the sheet out of coward like Tim Maymon. I actually feel sorry for Jeronne but as they say you get to pick your buds but not your fuds.
All you need to do is pull Tim Maymon's record in Dane county.
I feel bad for his son.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
Who cares what daddy is thinking? People said he was a head case.
I probably should have used teal. It was tongue in cheek.
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2014, 03:57:54 PM
Precisely the point, Willie. From what I am told the final straw was some unacceptable behavior at the Kohl Center before the MU-UW game. Not worth repeating but it is the stuff that makes a warrior want to kick the sheet out of coward like Tim Maymon. I actually feel sorry for Jeronne but as they say you get to pick your buds but not your fuds.
Getting away from Wisconsin probably was best for Jeronne in the long run. Never once was mad at the guy...I felt sorry for him. Hopefully he will earn his degree, if he hasn't already, and be satisfied with whatever career he chooses.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 16, 2014, 04:51:02 PM
Getting away from Wisconsin probably was best for Jeronne in the long run. Never once was mad at the guy...I felt sorry for him. Hopefully he will earn his degree, if he hasn't already, and be satisfied with whatever career he chooses.
Think you meant Jeronne, not Tim...
Ha...I edited it before you even quoted me!!
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 16, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Wonder what Daddy is thinking?
Well, he and Vander Blue can tour Europe together!
Why bring Vander into this thread? Their situations are not similar and Maymon will be lucky to even get close to the D-League.
Looks like Mason is doing alright now...
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=126677084&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=k439&locale=en_US&srchid=287164121392593489986&srchindex=1&srchtotal=1&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A287164121392593489986%2CVSRPtargetId%3A126677084%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=126677084&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=k439&locale=en_US&srchid=287164121392593489986&srchindex=1&srchtotal=1&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A287164121392593489986%2CVSRPtargetId%3A126677084%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary)
Still lists "Marquette University" under education.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 16, 2014, 05:45:16 PM
Still lists "Marquette University" under education.
Ya, but he does list LSU as well. Good to see he landed on his feet
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2014, 03:57:54 PM
Precisely the point, Willie. From what I am told the final straw was some unacceptable behavior at the Kohl Center before the MU-UW game. Not worth repeating but it is the stuff that makes a warrior want to kick the sheet out of coward like Tim Maymon. I actually feel sorry for Jeronne but as they say you get to pick your buds but not your fuds.
I believe you heard wrong.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 16, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
I believe you heard wrong.
Could be, Murs. I have never claimed to have any pipeline to the God of MU basketball. Perhaps it wasn't the final straw but it was part of the calculus. From what I was told it was more despicable than outrageous behavior. I was told the Administration wasn't pleased, in any event.
I cannot picture my father doing something like that. But then he was an AF flag officer and not a hoodlum.
It was actually at practice the next day where the problems arose with Maymon's dad.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 17, 2014, 08:38:06 AM
It was actually at practice the next day where the problems arose with Maymon's dad.
I don't think that they arose the next day, they finished the next day. Adios.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 17, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
I don't think that they arose the next day, they finished the next day. Adios.
Yes....well put.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 17, 2014, 08:38:06 AM
It was actually at practice the next day where the problems arose with Maymon's dad.
And his old AAU coach, Hennessey Auriantal.
Courtesy of Milwaukee Express According to Scout:
So Tim Maymon shows up at the Kohl Center on Saturday night and goes over to the Marquette will call desk to get his tickets. The woman at the desk (who works for the Marquette ticket office) hands him his four tickets. Tim says there must be a mistake because he said he needs a total of 20 tickets and demands his 16 other tickets. The woman tells him that even if she had 20 extra tickets, which she doesn't, she couldn't give him 20 tickets because NCAA regulations only allow for tickets per player.
Papa Maymon proceeds to call her names and says he doesn't care about NCAA regulations and the woman is in tears and someone else has to take over and usher Maymon inside.
Fast-forward to the next morning. I'll head back to Scout's recap of the situation:
Marquette had a practice at the Al McGuire Center. As it is beginning, the doors fly open and Tim Maymon and Hennessey Auriantal (J.May's AAU coach) come walking in. Tim is swearing up a storm again about his son playing the wrong position, not getting the ball, etc.. Buzz calms him down and ushers him out and tells him that they'll talk after practice. The two go off to either the AD or an assistant AD's office (who has already been briefed on the antics of Saturday night) and tear that guy a new a-hole for an hour.
Finally the AD has enough and walks the two back to practice. He pulls Buzz over in front of the team and says, "Buzz, this had gone on long enough. If it's ok with you, I'm throwing these guys out of the building and I don't want to see them ever again." Buzz says fine and they tell Tim and Hennessey if they don't leave immediately, campus police will be called and they'll be arrested for trespassing. Buzz tells Jeronne to shower up and head home – he's off the team.
Sunday night into Monday, Jeronne calls everyone from Buzz to the assistants to his teammates and is basically in tears saying that he doesn't want to leave the team.
So basically everyone who assumed that that Papa Maymon was the problem was right and while its good that Buzz finally stood up to him, it's clear that these problems were happening for quite a while and Buzz let him get away with it.
The Scout piece speculates that since Jeronne was Buzz's first big recruit, Buzz didn't want to admit it was a bust and therefore let the thing go on too long.
Either way, it's too bad that an 18-year old's life is so dictated by his crazy father.
I wonder what he is saying now, he is playing power forward for Tennessee, he is as big as a house. He will never be a guard much less a small forward, he is all inside, Buzz was right on what he did.
I wasnt here for that whole fiasco but from what it sounds like it seems that Tim was just using that as an excuse because for one reason or another he didnt like Buzz and MU.
I don't know this for a fact, but I would bet that Buzz learned a lot from this recruitment about being as upfront and honest as possible with recruits about their potential role.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 17, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
And his old AAU coach, Hennessey Auriantal.
Courtesy of Milwaukee Express
According to Scout:
So Tim Maymon shows up at the Kohl Center on Saturday night and goes over to the Marquette will call desk to get his tickets. The woman at the desk (who works for the Marquette ticket office) hands him his four tickets. Tim says there must be a mistake because he said he needs a total of 20 tickets and demands his 16 other tickets. The woman tells him that even if she had 20 extra tickets, which she doesn't, she couldn't give him 20 tickets because NCAA regulations only allow for tickets per player.
Papa Maymon proceeds to call her names and says he doesn't care about NCAA regulations and the woman is in tears and someone else has to take over and usher Maymon inside.
Fast-forward to the next morning. I'll head back to Scout's recap of the situation:
Marquette had a practice at the Al McGuire Center. As it is beginning, the doors fly open and Tim Maymon and Hennessey Auriantal (J.May's AAU coach) come walking in. Tim is swearing up a storm again about his son playing the wrong position, not getting the ball, etc.. Buzz calms him down and ushers him out and tells him that they'll talk after practice. The two go off to either the AD or an assistant AD's office (who has already been briefed on the antics of Saturday night) and tear that guy a new a-hole for an hour.
Finally the AD has enough and walks the two back to practice. He pulls Buzz over in front of the team and says, "Buzz, this had gone on long enough. If it's ok with you, I'm throwing these guys out of the building and I don't want to see them ever again." Buzz says fine and they tell Tim and Hennessey if they don't leave immediately, campus police will be called and they'll be arrested for trespassing. Buzz tells Jeronne to shower up and head home – he's off the team.
Sunday night into Monday, Jeronne calls everyone from Buzz to the assistants to his teammates and is basically in tears saying that he doesn't want to leave the team.
So basically everyone who assumed that that Papa Maymon was the problem was right and while its good that Buzz finally stood up to him, it's clear that these problems were happening for quite a while and Buzz let him get away with it.
The Scout piece speculates that since Jeronne was Buzz's first big recruit, Buzz didn't want to admit it was a bust and therefore let the thing go on too long.
Either way, it's too bad that an 18-year old's life is so dictated by his crazy father.
Wow.
Others might have seen this story in its entirety already, but I hadn't. Incredible and illuminating.
I'm guessing stuff like this goes on far more often than people realize at programs all around the country.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 17, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
And his old AAU coach, Hennessey Auriantal.
Courtesy of Milwaukee Express
According to Scout:
So Tim Maymon shows up at the Kohl Center on Saturday night and goes over to the Marquette will call desk to get his tickets. The woman at the desk (who works for the Marquette ticket office) hands him his four tickets. Tim says there must be a mistake because he said he needs a total of 20 tickets and demands his 16 other tickets. The woman tells him that even if she had 20 extra tickets, which she doesn't, she couldn't give him 20 tickets because NCAA regulations only allow for tickets per player.
Papa Maymon proceeds to call her names and says he doesn't care about NCAA regulations and the woman is in tears and someone else has to take over and usher Maymon inside.
That synchs with what I was told by a friend who was there. The only details missing are the extremely personal and very vulgar language Tim Maymon used with a woman. I wouldn't allow anyone to speak to my mother, sisters, wife, or daughter that way. Honestly, I would have ripped Tim Maymon's effing tonsils out for treating another human being that way.
Truly illuminating. Certainly feel sorry for Jeronne. Hope things work out for him.
Behavior such as described cannot ever be tolerated at MU. I'd actually rather lose.
He would have graduated by now, so it is a somewhat moot point. Just another in Buzz's life lessons. Like Todd.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
He would have graduated by now
Three years of ball in five years. Even Chris got about 4 1/3 in six. Mid-season transfers just aren't kind.
he has this coming. public record. scumbag:
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/pager.do;jsessionid=DBD3421B14D480AAB8E72E768F4EC6DD.render6?cacheId=E9D4F79B1429C015D73EA8C24DE97479&offset=0&sortColumn=0&sortDirection=DESC
Quote from: siliconwarrior on February 17, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
he has this coming. public record. scumbag:
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/pager.do;jsessionid=DBD3421B14D480AAB8E72E768F4EC6DD.render6?cacheId=E9D4F79B1429C015D73EA8C24DE97479&offset=0&sortColumn=0&sortDirection=DESC
That's quite a rap sheet. I only looked at a couple, but it looks like his most recent one is using a cell phone in a threatening way. Can that be right?
Edit: My bad, the rap sheet isn't just his. Still, somebody got a disorderly conduct for threatening somebody with a cell phone. I'd like to hear that story.
Quote from: MU82 on February 17, 2014, 10:07:14 AM
Wow.
Others might have seen this story in its entirety already, but I hadn't. Incredible and illuminating.
I'm guessing stuff like this goes on far more often than people realize at programs all around the country.
The only question I would raise is that Jeronne was 18+ years of age and on his own.
At some point, Daddy needed to go away. Jeronne needed to tell Daddy, respectfully of course, to get lost and that he's a big boy now.
Jeronne didn't and he's at UT. I think in the long-run both he and Marquette lost. It's sad this situation developed as it did and I wish Jeronne the best.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 17, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
The only question I would raise is that Jeronne was 18+ years of age and on his own.
At some point, Daddy needed to go away. Jeronne needed to tell Daddy, respectfully of course, to get lost and that he's a big boy now.
Jeronne didn't and he's at UT. I think in the long-run both he and Marquette lost. It's sad this situation developed as it did and I wish Jeronne the best.
Marquette didn't lose.
Buzz doesn't go after Jae Crowder if Maymon is still around...and Crowder was much better than Maymon.
On the outside chance Jeronne does see or hear about this thread, I want to add that most Marquette fans probably do wish him the best. Good luck Jeronne.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 17, 2014, 09:27:31 PM
On the outside chance Jeronne does see or hear about this thread, I want to add that most Marquette fans probably do wish him the best. Good luck Jeronne.
This. I really hope he does have a nice career in basketball despite the things he's had to overcome. I also wish he'd have been able to do it in a Marquette uniform.
Gotta admit, not being in MKE I'd never heard all that. I'm going to stop rooting against the kid - good luck to him.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 17, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
The only question I would raise is that Jeronne was 18+ years of age and on his own.
At some point, Daddy needed to go away. Jeronne needed to tell Daddy, respectfully of course, to get lost and that he's a big boy now.
Jeronne didn't and he's at UT. I think in the long-run both he and Marquette lost. It's sad this situation developed as it did and I wish Jeronne the best.
Daddy lived two hours away, and owned a car. Daddy had spent virtually all of Jeronne's life heavily involved, even intertwined in Jeronne's basketball life. As the story about getting "only" four tickets at the Kohl Center indicates, Jeronne's Dad got abusive in the extreme when "respectfully" informed what NCAA rules were. So, how do you think he would have responded when he son who he considered himself to have devoted his entire life to setting up for an NBA career suddenly told him that he, Jeronne had it from there? Violence would hardly have seemed out of the question. My only point is that you talk about Tim and Jeronne Maymon as if it were a typical father-son relationship when it was at the far dark end of the spectrum.
Getting out of state for school was absolutely imperative for Jeronne. Something that Bo Ryan knew early on, and Buzz came to understand.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 18, 2014, 08:22:36 AM
Daddy lived two hours away, and owned a car. Daddy had spent virtually all of Jeronne's life heavily involved, even intertwined in Jeronne's basketball life. As the story about getting "only" four tickets at the Kohl Center indicates, Jeronne's Dad got abusive in the extreme when "respectfully" informed what NCAA rules were. So, how do you think he would have responded when he son who he considered himself to have devoted his entire life to setting up for an NBA career suddenly told him that he, Jeronne had it from there? Violence would hardly have seemed out of the question. My only point is that you talk about Tim and Jeronne Maymon as if it were a typical father-son relationship when it was at the far dark end of the spectrum.
Getting out of state for school was absolutely imperative for Jeronne. Something that Bo Ryan knew early on, and Buzz came to understand.
Murs is right. Unfortunately for Jeronne, there is no strategy to effectively handle "crazy".
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 18, 2014, 08:22:36 AM
Daddy lived two hours away, and owned a car. Daddy had spent virtually all of Jeronne's life heavily involved, even intertwined in Jeronne's basketball life. As the story about getting "only" four tickets at the Kohl Center indicates, Jeronne's Dad got abusive in the extreme when "respectfully" informed what NCAA rules were. So, how do you think he would have responded when he son who he considered himself to have devoted his entire life to setting up for an NBA career suddenly told him that he, Jeronne had it from there? Violence would hardly have seemed out of the question. My only point is that you talk about Tim and Jeronne Maymon as if it were a typical father-son relationship when it was at the far dark end of the spectrum.
Getting out of state for school was absolutely imperative for Jeronne. Something that Bo Ryan knew early on, and Buzz came to understand.
Even if the relationship was a completely normal father/son relationship, how many 18 year olds are going to basically cut their fathers out of their lives?
Just not going to happen.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 17, 2014, 09:27:31 PM
On the outside chance Jeronne does see or hear about this thread, I want to add that most Marquette fans probably do wish him the best. Good luck Jeronne.
Agree 100%.
When this first happened, I partially blamed Jeronne for not standing up for himself and telling his dad to take a hike. As I've learned more about the situation (like the above description of events), I've changed my mind -- he probably felt powerless to stop the actions of his crazy dad.
Hope things work out for Jeronne.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 18, 2014, 09:20:41 AM
Even if the relationship was a completely normal father/son relationship, how many 18 year olds are going to basically cut their fathers out of their lives?
Just not going to happen.
Exactly. Expecting an 18-year-old to tell his father to go to h-e-double-hockey-sticks because now that teenager is "a man" is unrealistic.