http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10426105/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-shoves-fan
Smart claims the fan used a racial slur. Does that excuse shoving a fan?
I expect a multi-game suspension.
Thoughts?
A lot of postings about this fan on You Tube. Seems to be the kind of middle aged guy who likes yelling at young kids.
For this reason alone I side with Smart. Though he needs to better control his temper.
'Go back to Africa' is the Twittertracka story.
Knowing his past, the fan deserved it.
This will cause another Richard Sherman-like discussion about race in sports.
Nevermind...foiled by a fake Twitter account.
Both need to be punished, imo. If i was Texas Tech, I wouldn't want this fan representing my university if he indeed did yell racial slurs. Take his tickets away. That said, Smart, no matter how provoked, shouldn't be shoving anyone and needs to be suspended.
Agreed on both counts. A handful of games for Smart sends the message that you can't have players shoving fans, regardless of the alleged deplorable circumstances. And if the allegations are proven to be true, that guy shouldn't be allowed to attend an NC2A sporting event ever again.
Rumors have it that this is the fan in question. If so, like I said, I side with Smart....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w#t=00m08s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w#t=00m08s)
You see it best at the 31 second mark.
I commend Marcus Smart.
Doesn't this Orr guy have kids at home that he can verbally abuse?
Twitter has become the modern-day equivalent of the telephone game.
http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610
Ya know, if athletes, professional and collegiate, were allowed to deck, I mean just frickin cold cock and lay out, without punishment, one fan a year that got on their nerves, it would go a long way to restoring civility to our ballparks and arenas. Each athlete. A few hundred fans get leveled, stupid stuff stops getting yelled.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2014, 12:22:37 PM
Ya know, if athletes, professional and collegiate, were allowed to deck, I mean just frickin cold cock and lay out, without punishment, one fan a year that got on their nerves, it would go a long way to restoring civility to our ballparks and arenas. Each athlete. A few hundred fans get leveled, stupid stuff stops getting yelled.
someone got Tower's password. He would never say anything this stupid.
Quote from: mu-rara on February 09, 2014, 12:30:14 PM
someone got Tower's password. He would never say anything this stupid.
I don't know - some people use that argument for guns all the time
I said it. We say stupid stuff. Fans at games say stupid stuff. People talk about accountability. Give the athlete a chance to look the heckler in the eye and give him the option to retaliate if the heckler crosses whatever the line is. It will never happen, of course, but if the person I was yelling stupid stuff had the right to just deck me, perhaps I would be a trifle more restrained in what I yell.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on February 09, 2014, 11:12:32 AM
Both need to be punished, imo. If i was Texas Tech, I wouldn't want this fan representing my university if he indeed did yell racial slurs. Take his tickets away. That said, Smart, no matter how provoked, shouldn't be shoving anyone and needs to be suspended.
Agreed. Two wrongs never make a right. Punish both.
We go to these contests to be entertained by the athleticism and energy of the athletes not to be disturbed by loud, obnoxious fans. That's why I never go to games when teams are playing opponents from Boston.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
I said it. We say stupid stuff. Fans at games say stupid stuff. People talk about accountability. Give the athlete a chance to look the heckler in the eye and give him the option to retaliate if the heckler crosses whatever the line is. It will never happen, of course, but if the person I was yelling stupid stuff had the right to just deck me, perhaps I would be a trifle more restrained in what I yell.
Why give athletes this special privilege? Maybe we should all have a free pass to deck anyone who annoys us once a year.
By the way, what's the line? If I yell "That call sucks," can Jim Burr take a swing at me? Can I swing back? Will said swing be conducted contemporaneously to the offending statement, or will Jim and I have to appear before a panel to determine whether my insult was punch-worthy?
Who's the arbiter on these things?
Sounds like another wasteful government program to me.
Would have been better if he punched the guy's bitch. Lubbock is an epicenter of white power. No shock this happened in their arena.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 09, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Why give athletes this special privilege? Maybe we should all have a free pass to deck anyone who annoys us once a year.
By the way, what's the line? If I yell "That call sucks," can Jim Burr take a swing at me? Can I swing back? Will said swing be conducted contemporaneously to the offending statement, or will Jim and I have to appear before a panel to determine whether my insult was punch-worthy?
Who's the arbiter on these things?
Sounds like another wasteful government program to me.
I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me. Clearly, it will never happen and never should. I just find myself increasingly disgusted with fans with a false sense of entitlement, both at games and on message boards. Bringing it back to MU, our players have family who read message boards and have to listen to ignorant fans yell ignorant things. And while congress may not pass a law restricting free speech, if stupid, possibly racist, speech had more immediate repercussions, perhaps it would be curtailed.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2014, 12:59:47 PM
And while congress may not pass a law restricting free speech, if stupid, possibly racist, speech had more immediate repercussions, perhaps it would be curtailed.
Great.
Now, who does Tower put in charge of determining what qualifies as "stupid" speech and what repercussions are appropriate.
Call me crazy, but I'm a little leery of suggesting it's a good idea to physically assault others for saying things we don't like.
Sticks and stone, y'all.
Middle-aged guy sitting courtside for a big game? Probably/possibly a donor or important figure in some way in regards to TTU. I'd assume, under those circumstances, if anything happened to the guy, it'd be a slap on the wrist
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 09, 2014, 01:15:15 PM
Middle-aged guy sitting courtside for a big game? Probably/possibly a donor or important figure in some way in regards to TTU. I'd assume, under those circumstances, if anything happened to the guy, it'd be a slap on the wrist
Lots o money in Texas waiting in line to take this guys place. If he did wrong, he goes down.
Bilas with one of the more level-headed responses I've heard: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10426109
Also, watching the video a couple times, I love how the lady next to the guy (his wife?) erupts when Smart pushes the guy, yet 99.9% chance she heard what was said. So, glad she condones her husband's(?) comments.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 09, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Bilas with one of the more level-headed responses I've heard: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10426109
Also, watching the video a couple times, I love how the lady next to the guy (his wife?) erupts when Smart pushes the guy, yet 99.9% chance she heard what was said. So, glad she condones her husband's(?) comments.
I have no idea what he said. Do you?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 09, 2014, 01:15:15 PM
Middle-aged guy sitting courtside for a big game? Probably/possibly a donor or important figure in some way in regards to TTU. I'd assume, under those circumstances, if anything happened to the guy, it'd be a slap on the wrist
He's their "Number One Fan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eoa1Ko_lxE
Quote from: Pakuni on February 09, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
I have no idea what he said. Do you?
No. But it doesn't matter. Good or bad, she condones it.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 09, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
Would have been better if he punched the guy's bitch. Lubbock is an epicenter of white power. No shock this happened in their arena.
Back that up. Can't just blow crap like that out your rear. Its easy to play the race card in this situation without any information. Upon ruminating on this, I find it hard to believe that a guy, so tied to the sport and an obvious big fan, would call out a racial epithet when he is there to enjoy the athletic endeavors of similar players. I still am open-minded until the truth comes out. If the guy ,indeed, did say something despicable, he should be banned.
Upon further reflection while shoveling snow for an hour, I have changed my mind. Slippery slope. Unintended consequences. Stand your ground laws. Would not ultimately be a net good.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Upon further reflection while shoveling snow for an hour, I have changed my mind. Slippery slope. Unintended consequences. Stand your ground laws. Would not ultimately be a net good.
You're right of course. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for exercising your right to free speech. I can walk into a bar and exercise my rights by finding the biggest guy in the place and calling him a pu**y. But I would have to expect he would exercise a couple rights of his own on my face.
This kind of fan makes me sick and I really don't care what happens to him. If you watch the tape, he and his wife were obviously enjoying the whole ensuing scene.
These are college kids and if this redneck d'bag doesn't know how to treat them as such, I really could care less what happens to him. Just too bad Smart is the one who will pay.
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Brandx, I completely agree.
http://deadspin.com/smart-suspended-three-games-ttu-claims-fan-called-him-1519532362 (http://deadspin.com/smart-suspended-three-games-ttu-claims-fan-called-him-1519532362)
Smart suspended for 3 games. Tech fan won't be at any of Tech's remaining games.
He claims to have only called him a "piece of crap" ::)
Quote from: Warriors10 on February 09, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
http://deadspin.com/smart-suspended-three-games-ttu-claims-fan-called-him-1519532362 (http://deadspin.com/smart-suspended-three-games-ttu-claims-fan-called-him-1519532362)
Smart suspended for 3 games. Tech fan won't be at any of Tech's remaining games.
He claims to have only called him a "piece of crap" ::)
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Pakuni on February 09, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be
Video is inconclusive at best. I'm sure there were many people in the stands yelling at that moment. No way to tell if it was Orr.
When you look at ESPN's video, whatever caused Smart to go off was after Smart was already standing. The GoPro video, we definitely hear "piece of crap", but that was while Smart was on the ground and getting up. Also, just from a cursory lip-reading of Orr just before Smart pushed him, he almost certainly did not say "piece of crap". He may have when Smart was on the ground. But he certainly said something different when Smart was standing in front of him.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 09, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
Would have been better if he punched the guy's bitch. Lubbock is an epicenter of white power. No shock this happened in their arena.
Be the Difference Everyone.
By all accounts, the fan seems like a disgusting human being.
Marcus Smart overreacted. Its unfortunate, but I can hardly blame him.
Well, Smart does look like a 'piece of crap,' but you could say that about a lot of players.
Quote from: elephantraker on February 09, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
Back that up. Can't just blow crap like that out your rear. Its easy to play the race card in this situation without any information. Upon ruminating on this, I find it hard to believe that a guy, so tied to the sport and an obvious big fan, would call out a racial epithet when he is there to enjoy the athletic endeavors of similar players. I still am open-minded until the truth comes out. If the guy ,indeed, did say something despicable, he should be banned.
Its been well known in Big 12 circles that visits to Lubbock seem to coincide with some not so nice remarks toward certain players. There's plenty out there for you to find if you want to learn more.
But, really, there will be no conclusion to a "he said, he said" situation. I do find it curious that Orr is now "voluntarily" taking a leave from Tech basketball even though he's a massive donor, the "No. 1" fan, and is well known to opposing players and in YouTube videos for his "heckling" since he only called Smart a "piece of crap".
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 10, 2014, 09:48:25 AM
Its been well known in Big 12 circles that visits to Lubbock seem to coincide with some not so nice remarks toward certain players. There's plenty out there for you to find if you want to learn more.
But, really, there will be no conclusion to a "he said, he said" situation. I do find it curious that Orr is now "voluntarily" taking a leave from Tech basketball even though he's a massive donor, the "No. 1" fan, and is well known to opposing players and in YouTube videos for his "heckling" since he only called Smart a "piece of crap".
Not to be Elitists, but I read that Orr is an air traffic controller. Decent pay but let's not call him a "massive donor." T Boone Pickens and his support of Okla State ... that is a "massive donor."
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 10, 2014, 09:52:03 AM
Not to be Elitists, but I read that Orr is an air traffic controller. Decent pay but let's not call him a "massive donor." T Boone Pickens and his support of Okla State ... that is a "massive donor."
Fair enough. Take out "massive". Though, relative to pay, I'll bet this "No.1 fan" has put a large percentage into Tech ball.