As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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Seems plausible.
Todd Mayo was the
ONLY person to show up in our S16 game against Florida. IMO, the heart that he showed in that one game alone should merit a much longer leash IMO.
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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You do realize I'm probably the only one left here who can see this right? From now on post like you are speaking directly to me or I'll put you on ignore too!!! ;D
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 06, 2014, 06:38:58 PM
You do realize I'm probably the only one left here who can see this right? From now on post like you are speaking directly to me or I'll put you on ignore too!!! ;D
LOL!
Quote from: BenCat12 on February 06, 2014, 06:38:58 PM
You do realize I'm probably the only one left here who can see this right? From now on post like you are speaking directly to me or I'll put you on ignore too!!! ;D
Sorry BenCat12 - I'll try to do better next time. The irony of everything is that many used to complain here about my undying worship of Buzz, and having blue and gold colored glasses on...yet, now when I'm critical of Buzz and a few players...more complaints. Moral of the story....no one is ever gonna make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time, and to try to do so is a waste of time.
I suspect vindication will happen at some point - either Dawson starts to get 25+ and team plays better, or we slump to the finish line and NIT....and I know for damn sure nobody on this board was predicting NIT at the start of the season...even after the McKay transfer and Duane injury..
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:51:15 PM
Sorry BenCat12 - I'll try to do better next time. The irony of everything is that many used to complain here about my undying worship of Buzz, and having blue and gold colored glasses on...yet, now when I'm critical of Buzz and a few players...more complaints. Moral of the story....no one is ever gonna make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time, and to try to do so is a waste of time.
I suspect vindication will happen at some point - either Dawson starts to get 25+ and team plays better, or we slump to the finish line and NIT....and I know for damn sure nobody on this board was predicting NIT at the start of the season...even after the McKay transfer and Duane injury..
I think it is pretty safe to assume Buzz is not playing Dawson 25 plus a game. This is an NIT team whether we like it or not.
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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Ners, the Doctor Phil of MU hoops.
Building mental toughness
Not to mention that there have pretty damn good reasons, including this year, why Todd hasn't exactly earned the trust of the coaches. Believe me, I want him to start, play more, and have stated as such.
But man...the guy has got to show that he is committed. And that commitment hasn't always been there.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 06, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
Ners, the Doctor Phil of MU hoops.
You don't need a pack of wild horses to learn how to make a sandwich.
Phil McGraw
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 06, 2014, 07:27:40 PM
I think it is pretty safe to assume Buzz is not playing Dawson 25 plus a game. This is an NIT team whether we like it or not.
True and true. No "vindication" for Ners unless Dawson a) starts playing 25 minutes per game and b) takes us to the NCAAs. Not gonna happen.
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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+10000 brilliant assessment
Quote from: Dreadman24 on February 06, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
+10000 brilliant assessment
1,000,00% psychobabble nonsense
Quote from: Dreadman24 on February 06, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
+10000 brilliant assessment
When Dreadman gives you +10000, you may want to rethink your position
TAMU
I would agree if Ners was going on about a freshman Dawson somehow finding 'it' if given more playing time.
With a player like Mayo, I agree with him wholeheartedly. He's an obviously talented player with a confidence issue for one reason or another and as Sultan has stated some of it is his own doing. Sometimes tough love and the fear of the bench spurs players on to become better and sometimes it makes a kid revert deeper into their shell. With Mayo I think it's the latter.
Bart Starr had to go to coach Lombardi privately and tell him not to yell at him in front of his team he was supposed to be leading and to Lombardi's credit he listened. He treated Starr more delicately than he did guys like Taylor and Hornung. He understood that individual motivating factors are different among different people.
Buzz WILL learn this over time. He is young himself. Hopefully he learns this with Mayo before his career is over at MU and not in hindsight.
You guys need to understand something. Buzz Williams is the ONLY reason Todd Mayo is here this year. That isn't exaggeration or hyperbole. And that faith in Todd hasn't always been repaid.
So before we go all armchair psychologist with regards to Buzz and Todd, please understand that there is a back story here.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 07, 2014, 01:48:44 AM
Bart Starr had to go to coach Lombardi privately and tell him not to yell at him in front of his team he was supposed to be leading and to Lombardi's credit he listened. He treated Starr more delicately than he did guys like Taylor and Hornung. He understood that individual motivating factors are different among different people.
Starr went to Lombardi because he thought being reamed in front of the team hampered his ability to lead, not because he couldn't take it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 07, 2014, 08:33:14 AM
You guys need to understand something. Buzz Williams is the ONLY reason Todd Mayo is here this year. That isn't exaggeration or hyperbole. And that faith in Todd hasn't always been repaid.
So before we go all armchair psychologist with regards to Buzz and Todd, please understand that there is a back story here.
and that would be.....?
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 07, 2014, 08:33:14 AM
You guys need to understand something. Buzz Williams is the ONLY reason Todd Mayo is here this year. That isn't exaggeration or hyperbole. And that faith in Todd hasn't always been repaid.
So before we go all armchair psychologist with regards to Buzz and Todd, please understand that there is a back story here.
Regardless of that (and I agree with you), Buzz has to realize that putting Mayo on a too-short leash may hamper his production more than it benefits him personally. On the other hand, there are games like SJU where he was just plain bad. All I know is that I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions.
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
As brilliant as Buzz is..his recent quotes on Todd after the Butler game are really interesting - in that Buzz speaks to his personal best asset as a coach being able to relate to players and understand them - yet Buzz is having such a difficult time understanding why he's getting inconsistent play from Mayo (and others on the team), and Buzz quote on Todd:
"When the chips are down, he shows up," Williams said. "I'd like for him to show up more. He had four turnovers in the first half against St. John's. He didn't do much in the second half, didn't play much. But when he starts good, it typically trends toward it's going to stay good or get better. When he starts bad, it's delicate because he feels the stress of, 'I know I've got to be good.' Sometimes that takes some time for him to work through."
Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long. I believe the for the first time in Todd's career...Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half...and Todd didn't really do anything in the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half...and if Buzz gave up on him at that point..we'd never have seen the last 13 minutes of brilliance.
You simply cannot yank guys in and out of a lineup and expect good performance. Yet, somehow he gives Jake and Derrick the longest stretches of PT on the team...and they are arguably two of our least talented players.
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Beyond agree. I've always been a Todd "homer." I would rather have him in there making mistakes and playing through them, than anyone else. Certainly, he needs to be pulled at some point, but Buzz has conditioned him to "execute flawlessly or get pulled" (the exact inverse of his toleration of De. Wilson). I believe this kind of pressure changes the way Todd plays -- playing not to make mistakes vs. playing his game. Was odd to see Todd finish the game out -- that is typically not Buzz's style. Maybe he's changing his tactic with Todd idk? Would love to see Todd actually start and maybe we would see more positive body language from the get-go. I believe Mayo would be an entirely different player if he had more confidence in his place. I'm not the biggest fan of Jake, but no one makes Jake look better than Mayo. Mayo spaces the floor and allows Jake to get open looks. That is good for this team. Without happy Mayo getting 28-30 minutes a game, this team has no chance to succeed in the long term -- just not enough offense from the guards. With him rolling and confident, I believe this team could beat anyone. I would like to see us go all-in with Mayo and let the chips fall.
Quote from: slingkong on February 07, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Regardless of that (and I agree with you), Buzz has to realize that putting Mayo on a too-short leash may hamper his production more than it benefits him personally. On the other hand, there are games like SJU where he was just plain bad. All I know is that I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions.
I don't disagree with the longer-leash. But I'm just saying that Buzz has reasons for what he is doing that aren't "ego" related.
This just shows how much the original poster does not understand. Players get pulled when they do not play to the game plan, take bad shots, hustle for 50-50 balls or do not play defense. Thomas plays to game plan, does not take bad shots (although I think he should be more aggressive here), hustles for 50-50 balls and knows what to do on defense. The same goes for Derrick. You play if you follow Buzz's plan, you get pulled if you do not. Leave Harrison (St. John's) open for a three like Mayo did and you get benched. Playing well in Buzz's mind is playing to the above four factors. Look at start of second half against Butler. Gardner started and Butler scored 3 or 4 layups. Gardner pulled and Otule stops the layups from happening. The defense cannot be a sieve.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on February 07, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
Beyond agree. I've always been a Todd "homer." I would rather have him in there making mistakes and playing through them, than anyone else. Certainly, he needs to be pulled at some point, but Buzz has conditioned him to "execute flawlessly or get pulled" (the exact inverse of his toleration of De. Wilson). I believe this kind of pressure changes the way Todd plays -- playing not to make mistakes vs. playing his game. Was odd to see Todd finish the game out -- that is typically not Buzz's style. Maybe he's changing his tactic with Todd idk? Would love to see Todd actually start and maybe we would see more positive body language from the get-go. I believe Mayo would be an entirely different player if he had more confidence in his place. I'm not the biggest fan of Jake, but no one makes Jake look better than Mayo. Mayo spaces the floor and allows Jake to get open looks. That is good for this team. Without happy Mayo getting 28-30 minutes a game, this team has no chance to succeed in the long term -- just not enough offense from the guards. With him rolling and confident, I believe this team could beat anyone. I would like to see us go all-in with Mayo and let the chips fall.
I agree with a lot of this, but the "bad Todd" we saw at St. John's simply could not be left in the game until he found his groove. I am sympathetic to the "need to get in a flow" school of thought, but sometimes you don't have that luxury. We are such a 50/50 team this year that I can't be critical of the short leash.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on February 07, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
Beyond agree. I've always been a Todd "homer." I would rather have him in there making mistakes and playing through them, than anyone else. Certainly, he needs to be pulled at some point, but Buzz has conditioned him to "execute flawlessly or get pulled" (the exact inverse of his toleration of De. Wilson). I believe this kind of pressure changes the way Todd plays -- playing not to make mistakes vs. playing his game. Was odd to see Todd finish the game out -- that is typically not Buzz's style. Maybe he's changing his tactic with Todd idk? Would love to see Todd actually start and maybe we would see more positive body language from the get-go. I believe Mayo would be an entirely different player if he had more confidence in his place. I'm not the biggest fan of Jake, but no one makes Jake look better than Mayo. Mayo spaces the floor and allows Jake to get open looks. That is good for this team. Without happy Mayo getting 28-30 minutes a game, this team has no chance to succeed in the long term -- just not enough offense from the guards. With him rolling and confident, I believe this team could beat anyone. I would like to see us go all-in with Mayo and let the chips fall.
Hey. It worked for Denzel in Remember the Titans.
Leave it to NErs to completely miss the intent of what Buzz was saying. Todd is not feeling pressure to play well or he will be benched, rather he knows he needs to play well for his team to have a chance to win. Nohing Buzz or any of the coaches can do to make or help Todd play well. It is that mental battle that all players have to go thru. Todd seems to make a mistake or two and things begin to slide for him, when he gets to the point where he can over come that , he will be that much of better and more consiatant player and Mu will be a better team. Todd has still gotten his minutes when he has played poorly, obviously not as many. This whole premise by Ners of Todd being afraid of not getting time or not getting the time to do his things is horsecrap. And is simply based on saying something over and over til you belive it. In the last 14 games Todd has gotten between 23-29 minutes in everygame but the Georgetown and St. johns games. He is top 4 in minutes played. During those games he has turned in some real stinkers of 2,4,6,8, and zero points scoreded. yet we use the St. johns game where even he would admit he was horrendous as the basis for a baseless argument. Dont use the St. Johns game as the one outlier example. We were getting beat by almost 30 and Todd and Jamil sat in the second half. It happens get over it. Todd has gotten his minutes, that has not been the variale, the variable has been what he has done with them.
"execute flawlessly or get pulled" - my ass!
"Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long.
" - my ass!!
Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half- this is so dumb on so many levels i dont even know where to begin
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 07, 2014, 01:48:44 AM
TAMU
I would agree if Ners was going on about a freshman Dawson somehow finding 'it' if given more playing time.
With a player like Mayo, I agree with him wholeheartedly. He's an obviously talented player with a confidence issue for one reason or another and as Sultan has stated some of it is his own doing. Sometimes tough love and the fear of the bench spurs players on to become better and sometimes it makes a kid revert deeper into their shell. With Mayo I think it's the latter.
Bart Starr had to go to coach Lombardi privately and tell him not to yell at him in front of his team he was supposed to be leading and to Lombardi's credit he listened. He treated Starr more delicately than he did guys like Taylor and Hornung. He understood that individual motivating factors are different among different people.
Buzz WILL learn this over time. He is young himself. Hopefully he learns this with Mayo before his career is over at MU and not in hindsight.
I had no idea what Ners posted about. I was commenting on Dreadman more than him
Quote from: River rat on February 07, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Leave it to NErs to completely miss the intent of what Buzz was saying. Todd is not feeling pressure to play well or he will be benched, rather he knows he needs to play well for his team to have a chance to win. Nohing Buzz or any of the coaches can do to make or help Todd play well. It is that mental battle that all players have to go thru. Todd seems to make a mistake or two and things begin to slide for him, when he gets to the point where he can over come that , he will be that much of better and more consiatant player and Mu will be a better team. Todd has still gotten his minutes when he has played poorly, obviously not as many. This whole premise by Ners of Todd being afraid of not getting time or not getting the time to do his things is horsecrap. And is simply based on saying something over and over til you belive it. In the last 14 games Todd has gotten between 23-29 minutes in everygame but the Georgetown and St. johns games. He is top 4 in minutes played. During those games he has turned in some real stinkers of 2,4,6,8, and zero points scoreded. yet we use the St. johns game where even he would admit he was horrendous as the basis for a baseless argument. Dont use the St. Johns game as the one outlier example. We were getting beat by almost 30 and Todd and Jamil sat in the second half. It happens get over it. Todd has gotten his minutes, that has not been the variale, the variable has been what he has done with them.
"execute flawlessly or get pulled" - my ass!
"Yes Buzz, your coaching of Todd has conditioned Todd to think this way (and I'm sure Dawson as well) - I know I've got to be really good in my first 2 or 3 minutes...or I'm likely headed to the bench for God knows how long.
" - my ass!!
Buzz gave him 20 minutes straight of PT in the 2nd half- this is so dumb on so many levels i dont even know where to begin
Respectfully disagree with much you write here, especially "Nothing Buzz or any of the coaches can do to make or help Todd play well." You severely underestimate the role of confidence/mind-set; many times just as important as gym time. When there's no second-guessing and a guy "just plays" with confidence, good things happen.
u can diagree all you want , and i will agree with you that the coaches can affect confidece and put players in positions to succeed. yes I agree with that but at the end of the day the player has to play and over come obstacles.
What I take objection to is statements like "if I dont perform flawlessly immediately i will not get back in" and the other playing time versus performance bunk that has littered the board. Todds play and points have been wholly inconsistant. His minutes have not. In fact they have been remarkable consistant in that he has played approx 25 minutes in every game out of the last 14 with 29 minutes and 12 minutes being the two outliers. yet we see post after post about the 12 minute game which was an absolute blowout.
For example, Mayo played over 20 minutes against creighton scored 2 points and went 0-6 from the floor. Was it playing time that caused this?? did he need a 20 minute half to find his groove? This aint on Buzz or the staff!! todd got his minutes and stunk the place up!!
another one, Todd played 26!! minutes against Butler, went 2-9 from the field, Was this the coaches fault or was Did todd just not play well?
This black or white Todd needs minutes equals todd is awesome and all the play flawlessly or never play again is complete BS. Todds minutes have been pretty regular his performance has not.
There have been some reall bullcrap theories on MU's struggles mostly centered around coaching. Im gonna call bullcrap when i see it
Quote from: River rat on February 07, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
u can diagree all you want , and i will agree with you that the coaches can affect confidece and put players in positions to succeed. yes I agree with that but at the end of the day the player has to play and over come obstacles.
What I take objection to is statements like "if I dont perform flawlessly immediately i will not get back in" and the other playing time versus performance bunk that has littered the board. Todds play and points have been wholly inconsistant. His minutes have not. In fact they have been remarkable consistant in that he has played approx 25 minutes in every game out of the last 14 with 29 minutes and 12 minutes being the two outliers. yet we see post after post about the 12 minute game which was an absolute blowout.
For example, Mayo played over 20 minutes against creighton scored 2 points and went 0-6 from the floor. Was it playing time that caused this?? did he need a 20 minute half to find his groove? This aint on Buzz or the staff!! todd got his minutes and stunk the place up!!
another one, Todd played 26!! minutes against Butler, went 2-9 from the field, Was this the coaches fault or was Did todd just not play well?
This black or white Todd needs minutes equals todd is awesome and all the play flawlessly or never play again is complete BS. Todds minutes have been pretty regular his performance has not.
There have been some reall bullcrap theories on MU's struggles mostly centered around coaching. Im gonna call bullcrap when i see it
I'm gonna call bullcrap on a post when I read it....and much like all of your posts....your latest offering certainly qualifies as bullcrap.
Yes..a TALENTED player has to play AND BE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO OVERCOME OBSTACLES - consistently...that's the freaking point Buzz has always had a short leash with Todd. The point about Buzz giving him 20 straight against Butler, was that is the first time Todd has ever been given 20 straight - he did nothing of note the first 7:00 minutes of the 2nd half, but then finished brilliantly...
The irony of course is your continued tolerance and defense of Derrick...who gets the longest stretches of PT of any player yet "consistently stinks up the place." (By your definition in that Todd stinking up the place at Creighton on 0-6 shooting and 2 points in 20 minutes was so God awful....yet that is actually a fairly normal stat line for your boy Derrick??)
Todd has always had to play with the fear of make a couple of mistakes...and chances are I'm going to the bench...due to Buzz's short leash. It's no way to play the game of basketball, and absolutely limits productivity. The sad thing is Buzz has given the longest leash to two of our least talented players in Derrick and Jake.
Quote from: Ners on February 06, 2014, 06:51:15 PM
Sorry BenCat12 - I'll try to do better next time. The irony of everything is that many used to complain here about my undying worship of Buzz, and having blue and gold colored glasses on...yet, now when I'm critical of Buzz and a few players...more complaints.
You were so close to a break through here. So unbelievably close. Don't worry; insight will come and you'll finally have the break through. You are on the brink.
Finally had enough. Ners on Ignore.
Quote from: mu-rara on February 07, 2014, 01:45:09 PM
Finally had enough. Ners on Ignore.
I would put him on ignore too but I hold out hope that one day he's going to spill the beans on his prolific post-HS basketball career...certainly wouldn't want to miss that.
Atl MU Warrior
+1 Made me laugh.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 07, 2014, 03:02:14 PM
I would put him on ignore too but I hold out hope that one day he's going to spill the beans on his prolific post-HS basketball career...certainly wouldn't want to miss that.
Would be happy to square off in a game of one on one with you ATL...just PM me if you want to..and we can meet in MKE for an MU game...and game of 1 on 1. And to the loser, a 3 month Scoop break. Would be a lot of fun regardless of outcome. :)
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 07, 2014, 01:48:44 AM
TAMU
I would agree if Ners was going on about a freshman Dawson somehow finding 'it' if given more playing time.
With a player like Mayo, I agree with him wholeheartedly. He's an obviously talented player with a confidence issue for one reason or another and as Sultan has stated some of it is his own doing. Sometimes tough love and the fear of the bench spurs players on to become better and sometimes it makes a kid revert deeper into their shell. With Mayo I think it's the latter.
Bart Starr had to go to coach Lombardi privately and tell him not to yell at him in front of his team he was supposed to be leading and to Lombardi's credit he listened. He treated Starr more delicately than he did guys like Taylor and Hornung. He understood that individual motivating factors are different among different people.
Buzz WILL learn this over time. He is young himself. Hopefully he learns this with Mayo before his career is over at MU and not in hindsight.
Good post. Agree with you on Mayo. He needs encouragement from the coach, not pulling him out after 2 minutes. Also Al use to say some players are great in practice but not in games and some only rise to the occasion in the game. So the Buzz concept of only playing good practice players leaves some good ones behind. I would expect Buzz will change over time.
Encourage all to unite behind the NEP, the Ners Enabler Pledge.
Quote from: Ners on February 07, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
Would be happy to square off in a game of one on one with you ATL...just PM me if you want to..and we can meet in MKE for an MU game...and game of 1 on 1. And to the loser, a 3 month Scoop break. Would be a lot of fun regardless of outcome. :)
I'm sure it would be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, it is not in the cards for me. I have "retired" from actually playing basketball due to twice-dislocated left shoulder (torn labrum second time). Still shoot at our gym from time to time, but the age-old "use it or lose it" dictum applies to jump shot form as well as other things.
That's ok though. When I turned 40 a couple of years ago I tried to dunk for the first time since last injury -- roughly 5 years. It wasn't pretty but it went in! Pretty sure that was the last time in my life I will ever be able to do that...kind of makes me sad. Oh well...in a few years hopefully I will be able to live vicariously through my son.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 07, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
I'm sure it would be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, it is not in the cards for me. I have "retired" from actually playing basketball due to twice-dislocated left shoulder (torn labrum second time). Still shoot at our gym from time to time, but the age-old "use it or lose it" dictum applies to jump shot form as well as other things.
That's ok though. When I turned 40 a couple of years ago I tried to dunk for the first time since last injury -- roughly 5 years. It wasn't pretty but it went in! Pretty sure that was the last time in my life I will ever be able to do that...kind of makes me sad. Oh well...in a few years hopefully I will be able to live vicariously through my son.
Sorry to hear all that ATL...still should let me know if you head to MKE ever for a game...would be happy to meet for a beer...perhaps even demo that I can still dunk just to prove it. :)
Ironically, I got a reverse shoulder dislocation on my left shoulder 10 years ago.....from Tony Romo....he and I used to square off a lot in basketball at the gym I belonged to from 2003-2006. Tony's a good basketball player...we'd go at it pretty good...nice guy back in the day...funny story in 2003 - I had some MU hoops shorts on at gym....and he asked me if I went to Marquette - said yes..how do you know Marquette (cause we were in Dallas, TX and not many people know MU), said he grew up outside Milwaukee. Asked what he did for work in Dallas....he said..."I play football." Asked for who - thought SMU - because SMU was across street - and he looked young....he replied "The Cowboys." At this time of course he was just a rookie, undrafted free agent...figured he was a punter or something...asked him what position...said QB. Needless to say..was fun to know him as he progressed..
Quote from: Ners on February 07, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
Ironically, I got a reverse shoulder dislocation on my left shoulder 10 years ago.....from Tony Romo....he and I used to square off a lot in basketball at the gym I belonged to from 2003-2006. Tony's a good basketball player...we'd go at it pretty good...nice guy back in the day...funny story in 2003 - I had some MU hoops shorts on at gym....and he asked me if I went to Marquette - said yes..how do you know Marquette (cause we were in Dallas, TX and not many people know MU), said he grew up outside Milwaukee. Asked what he did for work in Dallas....he said..."I play football." Asked for who - thought SMU - because SMU was across street - and he looked young....he replied "The Cowboys." At this time of course he was just a rookie, undrafted free agent...figured he was a punter or something...asked him what position...said QB. Needless to say..was fun to know him as he progressed..
Tony Romo played at Eastern Illinois for Bob Spoo, brother in law to a good friend of mine. Spoo told him that Romo would be a starting NFL QB one day. We had a good laugh, but he laughed last.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2014, 07:43:09 PM
Tony Romo played at Eastern Illinois for Bob Spoo, brother in law to a good friend of mine. Spoo told him that Romo would be a starting NFL QB one day. We had a good laugh, but he laughed last.
Bob Spoo who prior to Eastern Illinois coached HS football at Loyola Academy in Wilmette, Illinois, and in 1969 had an undefeated and untied team that was ranked second in the country.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 07, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
Bob Spoo who prior to Eastern Illinois coached HS football at Loyola Academy in Wilmette, Illinois, and in 1969 had an undefeated and untied team that was ranked second in the country.
Jack Spellman was the star or that 69 team and he ended up at Purdue (where Spoo played). I knew Jack from wrestling at Loyola. He was a freshman when I was a senior - he took his lumps that year but went on to be an outstanding. In fact, as good as he was in football he may have been an even better wrestler.
Spoo was an assistant under Bob Naughton in 66 and 67 when we also won the Catholic League and City Championships. I think he took over in 67-68.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 07, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
I'm sure it would be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, it is not in the cards for me. I have "retired" from actually playing basketball due to twice-dislocated left shoulder (torn labrum second time). Still shoot at our gym from time to time, but the age-old "use it or lose it" dictum applies to jump shot form as well as other things.
That's ok though. When I turned 40 a couple of years ago I tried to dunk for the first time since last injury -- roughly 5 years. It wasn't pretty but it went in! Pretty sure that was the last time in my life I will ever be able to do that...kind of makes me sad. Oh well...in a few years hopefully I will be able to live vicariously through my son.
Did you have the surgery? I have a torn labrum right shoulder, just doing PT. Sucks
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2014, 09:10:01 PM
Jack Spellman was the star or that 69 team and he ended up at Purdue (where Spoo played). I knew Jack from wrestling at Loyola. He was a freshman when I was a senior - he took his lumps that year but went on to be an outstanding. In fact, as good as he was in football he may have been an even better wrestler.
Spoo was an assistant under Bob Naughton in 66 and 67 when we also won the Catholic League and City Championships. I think he took over in 67-68.
Geoff Steger was no slouch, either. Spellman was a sophomore running back, right?
I was in the same class at New Trier East as Clay Matthews dad, Clay Matthews, Sr.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 07, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Geoff Steger was no slouch, either. Spellman was a sophomore running back, right?
I was in the same class at New Trier East as Clay Matthews dad, Clay Matthews, Sr.
Jack's freshman year (my senior year) he played freshman ball. The star running back his sophomore year was Randy Marks, who played at Wisconsin. I think he became a starter as a junior and was a full fledged All State running back his senior year. Years later, his son was the star running back at your alma mater, New Trier. Small world, Murs.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2014, 09:11:45 PM
Did you have the surgery? I have a torn labrum right shoulder, just doing PT. Sucks
No surgery. Just PT.
I am pretty lucky...for the most part, I have pretty good function from the shoulder. I can still lift weights, although I can't do some exercises like military press. I can't do as much weight on things like bench and incline presses as I used to, but I don't know if that's because of the shoulder. Age, infrequent workouts due to young kids, etc. are just as likely the culprits.
The one thing I won't do is play basketball again. I've dislocated it twice, each time playing ball and each time there was zero contact. Just one of those things I guess.
Quote from: Ners on February 07, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
Sorry to hear all that ATL...still should let me know if you head to MKE ever for a game...would be happy to meet for a beer...perhaps even demo that I can still dunk just to prove it. :)
Ironically, I got a reverse shoulder dislocation on my left shoulder 10 years ago.....from Tony Romo....he and I used to square off a lot in basketball at the gym I belonged to from 2003-2006. Tony's a good basketball player...we'd go at it pretty good...nice guy back in the day...funny story in 2003 - I had some MU hoops shorts on at gym....and he asked me if I went to Marquette - said yes..how do you know Marquette (cause we were in Dallas, TX and not many people know MU), said he grew up outside Milwaukee. Asked what he did for work in Dallas....he said..."I play football." Asked for who - thought SMU - because SMU was across street - and he looked young....he replied "The Cowboys." At this time of course he was just a rookie, undrafted free agent...figured he was a punter or something...asked him what position...said QB. Needless to say..was fun to know him as he progressed..
Dude out kicked his coverage when pickin' a wife, aina?
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 07, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
Bob Spoo who prior to Eastern Illinois coached HS football at Loyola Academy in Wilmette, Illinois, and in 1969 had an undefeated and untied team that was ranked second in the country.
And prior to that both peed and crapped himself durin' nap time in K-4.
I onced played golf with Tony Smith.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 08, 2014, 10:36:28 PM
I onced played golf with Tony Smith.
You've played with Spoo many times, yes?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 08, 2014, 10:33:21 PM
Dude out kicked his coverage when pickin' a wife, aina?
Somehow being the QB of the Dallas Cowboys has its perks. ;D Tony did some good work in his pre-marriage years in Big D. Blonde Ambition tour for Tony all the way...and he couldn't have landed in a better place for blondes than Dallas.
Jessica Simpson - In her prime hot years - check.
Carrie Underwood - In her prime hot years - check
Numerous Dallas blondes in their 20s - check
Polished, classy, uber hot, local sports anchor - Candace Crawford - Check (now his wife)
Well done Tony.
Quote from: Ners on February 09, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Somehow being the QB of the Dallas Cowboys has its perks. ;D Tony did some good work in his pre-marriage years in Big D. Blonde Ambition tour for Tony all the way...and he couldn't have landed in a better place for blondes than Dallas.
Jessica Simpson - In her prime hot years - check.
Carrie Underwood - In her prime hot years - check
Numerous Dallas blondes in their 20s - check
Polished, classy, uber hot, local sports anchor - Candace Crawford - Check (now his wife)
Well done Tony.
With a lineup like that he should definitely be getting 30+ minutes a game! :)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 08, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
And prior to that both peed and crapped himself durin' nap time in K-4.
LOL. You must be a Fenwick or Brother Rice guy.
Quote from: Ners on February 09, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Carrie Underwood - In her prime hot years - check
Never existed. She's always been a rat-faced puke head. Yuck.
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BeeJay, you're completely nuts if you wouldn't do her.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 09, 2014, 07:07:34 PM
BeeJay, you're completely nuts if you wouldn't do her.
He's still fixated on TC's contract.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 09, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
He's still fixated on TC's contract.
You ever hear back from your guy? I was with TC, Vonleh & the gang on Saturday night... wasn't the right time to ask. Kind of bummed down by the locker room.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
Jack's freshman year (my senior year) he played freshman ball. The star running back his sophomore year was Randy Marks, who played at Wisconsin. I think he became a starter as a junior and was a full fledged All State running back his senior year. Years later, his son was the star running back at your alma mater, New Trier. Small world, Murs.
Being a Gordon Tech Ram, I still have bad memories of Jack Spellman and Randy Marks.