There have been 100 posts on Various forums about the Point Guard situation but honestly where is the Senior Star Power on this Team.
Isn't Jamil Wilson supposed to be our Senior Leader. I posted this as a comment but now I feel like its a legitamate question.
I know hes had a great run at Marquette and helped us to the Elite 8 last year but thats the past.
So I ask Jamil Wilson giving us a performance worth the price of Admission??
I personally feel like, Jamil is a good player that could be a very good to 2nd round draft pick/D league his way onto a NBA Roster. But he is digging himself in a deeper whole every game. GM's and scouts see hes not a natural leader and too passive. He'd thrive in a situation where he can be a utility guy and not the feature/star player its just not in his persona to be the one. There are players even on Marquette who would give their right arm to play 50% of the time jamil Plays.
You rarely, closer to never see him take charge in a huddle, get angry or rally the troops he just comes gives you 30 min scores 10-15 ppg and goes home. Some guys are like that its not a knock on him he just isnt the one to take control and want to be that guy like Vander was last year. Hes gonna do enough to keep himself in the game but often as we see this year thats just not enough to Win!
Many teams have won with Point guards who arent that good but your best player has to play just that much better and although Jamil has been good this year. He's not having a "with the 34th pick in the NBA draft the Washington Wizards select Jamil Wilson year...." That id hoped for. Theres still 11 games left and the BET and maybe NIT to play. So the Jury is out to lunch.
I don't know about zero, but he's definitely over-rated by the fans.
Jamil has been very consistent over the last couple months of the season. Outside of the Xavier game where he got in foul trouble, he's playing 30+ minute, scoring 10-15 points, grabbing a bunch of rebounds and dishing out assists.
He's not developed into what we thought he would be coming out of high school, but he's hardly a dog either. Going back to last year I never thought he was going to make the NBA. Not quick enough. He is what he is. He's not going to be more than that.
We're going to miss him a lot more than some people think next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
Jamil has been very consistent over the last couple months of the season. Outside of the Xavier game where he got in foul trouble, he's playing 30+ minute, scoring 10-15 points, grabbing a bunch of rebounds and dishing out assists.
He's not developed into what we thought he would be coming out of high school, but he's hardly a dog either. Going back to last year I never thought he was going to make the NBA. Not quick enough. He is what he is. He's not going to be more than that.
We're going to miss him a lot more than some people think next year.
I actually saw his name on some Pre Season Mock NBA drafts I know they hold no weight and I'm sure his rebounding and scoring will be missed next year. I want Jamil to be "That Guy" for the rest of the year. I would love to see him get more than just the 1 STOG he has in 19 games is pretty much my grievance.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
Jamil has been very consistent over the last couple months of the season. Outside of the Xavier game where he got in foul trouble, he's playing 30+ minute, scoring 10-15 points, grabbing a bunch of rebounds and dishing out assists.
He's not developed into what we thought he would be coming out of high school, but he's hardly a dog either. Going back to last year I never thought he was going to make the NBA. Not quick enough. He is what he is. He's not going to be more than that.
We're going to miss him a lot more than some people think next year.
Agree with this. To put it in terms of the OP's question - he is neither a hero nor a zero...but he is certainly closer to the former.
WE definitely missed Jamil in overtime against Villanova..
One of this biggest assets as a player is his length, and ability to cover a lot of space on the court defensively. Jamil helps hide other defensive deficiencies we have.
Jamil has the look of an NBA baller, yet he plays quite upright - not great body lean - which is why he struggles to beat people off the dribble. His NBA prospects will be helped by the fact he's a high character guy, who isn't going to cause problems off the court, will work hard, and can likely defend 2s, 3s, and 4s at next level with his length. Should be able to knock down mid range shot with decent consistency. Hard worker. Not sure if the above will be enough for him to make league...but those are his assets.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 30, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
I actually saw his name on some Pre Season Mock NBA drafts I know they hold no weight and I'm sure his rebounding and scoring will be missed next year. I want Jamil to be "That Guy" for the rest of the year. I would love to see him get more than just the 1 STOG he has in 19 games is pretty much my grievance.
I can't get frustrated by Jamil. He is a really, really great guy. I just don't think it is either in his nature or within his abilities for him to be what you want him to be.
I feel bad for Jamil. As much as we want him to drive the batmobile, he likes wearing the yellow cape. He doesn't have that killer instinct that others have (e.g., Deonte, Vander). Being aggressive just doesn't seem to be who he is. Perhaps it's not his personality.
That said, I think he's very valuable to the team and we will miss him next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 10:31:07 AM
I can't get frustrated by Jamil. He is a really, really great guy. I just don't think it is either in his nature or within his abilities for him to be what you want him to be.
Yea I understand but boy if he was that (Give me the Ball and get out of my way) type of guy.
He would be unstoppable for most teams.
Jamil is most assuredly not an NBA player. I had hopes of him stepping up this year, but he just doesn't have the alpha trait in him. He fits best as the 3rd option on a really good team. He can have a good career overseas if he wants that. If he can't step up and be a go to guy as a 5th year senior, he will get eaten alive in the NBA. Solid all around player on the collegiate level.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 30, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
Yea I understand but boy if he was that (Give me the Ball and get out of my way) type of guy.
He would be unstoppable for most teams.
Doubtful.
Jamil is what he is and, honestly, I think he's bright enough to understand that. He's a 6'7" athlete who "looks the part" of being a stud player but his actual abilities don't match that look.
He's a poor man's version of what Luol Deng was for the Bulls. He's very talented and can do a lot of different things but he's just not talented enough to be "the man" on a great team. He's ideally suited to be a third option and there's no doubt that Jamil would be one of the best third options in the Big East. Unfortunately, the current MU team doesn't really have a 1 and 2 so Jamil is exposed.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 30, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Jamil is most assuredly not an NBA player. I had hopes of him stepping up this year, but he just doesn't have the alpha trait in him. He fits best as the 3rd option on a really good team. He can have a good career overseas if he wants that. If he can't step up and be a go to guy as a 5th year senior, he will get eaten alive in the NBA. Solid all around player on the collegiate level.
Great reply!
Plus being 24 next year doesnt up his stock.
While Jamil is not a zero, he definitely is a main ingredient of S'mores.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 30, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Jamil is most assuredly not an NBA player. I had hopes of him stepping up this year, but he just doesn't have the alpha trait in him. He fits best as the 3rd option on a really good team. He can have a good career overseas if he wants that. If he can't step up and be a go to guy as a 5th year senior, he will get eaten alive in the NBA. Solid all around player on the collegiate level.
Only 60 guys get drafted and he is not even in Chad Ford's top 100 players for this year's draft. And Ford is one of the more tuned in guys on this.
I'm starting to question our fanbase. We always seem to have an under-appreciated player that is a good, solid, productive player, but we love to hate him for some reason because he isn't good enough for some people. It seems to be Jamil now, before that it was Vander, before that it was Dominic, before that it was Merritt. Maybe it's an issue of expectations, maybe it's a post-Wade thing where we expect our stars to be superhuman. We have a hard time appreciating some players for who they are.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2014, 10:52:06 AM
While Jamil is not a zero, he definitely is a main ingredient of S'mores.
He's a cracker???
Dude is alright in my book.
http://deadspin.com/heres-how-marquette-erased-a-six-point-davidson-lead-i-458283539
Quote from: willie warrior on January 30, 2014, 11:42:21 AM
No he is a soft marshmellow.
Thanks for the explanation willie. ::)
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 30, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
There have been 100 posts on Various forums about the Point Guard situation but honestly where is the Senior Star Power on this Team.
Isn't Jamil Wilson supposed to be our Senior Leader. I posted this as a comment but now I feel like its a legitamate question.
I know hes had a great run at Marquette and helped us to the Elite 8 last year but thats the past.
So I ask Jamil Wilson giving us a performance worth the price of Admission??
I personally feel like, Jamil is a good player that could be a very good to 2nd round draft pick/D league his way onto a NBA Roster. But he is digging himself in a deeper whole every game. GM's and scouts see hes not a natural leader and too passive. He'd thrive in a situation where he can be a utility guy and not the feature/star player its just not in his persona to be the one. There are players even on Marquette who would give their right arm to play 50% of the time jamil Plays.
You rarely, closer to never see him take charge in a huddle, get angry or rally the troops he just comes gives you 30 min scores 10-15 ppg and goes home. Some guys are like that its not a knock on him he just isnt the one to take control and want to be that guy like Vander was last year. Hes gonna do enough to keep himself in the game but often as we see this year thats just not enough to Win!
Many teams have won with Point guards who arent that good but your best player has to play just that much better and although Jamil has been good this year. He's not having a "with the 34th pick in the NBA draft the Washington Wizards select Jamil Wilson year...." That id hoped for. Theres still 11 games left and the BET and maybe NIT to play. So the Jury is out to lunch.
So their is no in-between???
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 30, 2014, 12:00:39 PM
So their is no in-between???
Yeah
Hero, Okay or Zero!
Should I rename the post.
Agree, of course Jamil needs to be a leader for this team. Like others have said, he just doesn't seem to have it in him. I don't fault our season on the lack of leadership in Jamil Wilson, but do find fault in there being no vocal leader of this team.
And what about Davante? Maybe he should have stepped up and took on the leadership role of this team. We all appreciate the hard work he puts in on the offensive end, but to me he seems to have that fire and motivation to be a senior leader... I just haven't seen him take on that mentality. This is his last chance, and although he can't put the entire team on his back, I think he could be a better leader/example/motivator for the team to try and make something out of his final season of a great career here. We all know he can motivate and fire himself up for a three point play, lets see him get the team going a little more.
And look, none of us here knows what goes in the practices, lockers rooms, etc. Maybe these guys are vocal leaders, but from what I can see in this team, that's something they have been missing this season.
edit: not saying he's a bad teammate, just that he kinda always seems to be in his own little zone.
What a dumb subject. Any coach in this country would love to have everything that Jamil does for this team. Jamil is not the problem. He is a very good college basketball player that does many things very well, defensively and offensively.
This board is spiraling out of control.
I am one who hoped he would become the alpha. He hasn't. I agree with the thought that he is a good player, but a good complementary player, second or third option with a couple of other scorers. Unfortunately, that isn't what this team needs. That is why he was a key component last year as Blue's wingman.
Quote from: Rudy on January 30, 2014, 04:13:26 PM
What a dumb subject. Any coach in this country would love to have everything that Jamil does for this team. Jamil is not the problem. He is a very good college basketball player that does many things very well, defensively and offensively.
This board is spiraling out of control.
This is a great subject! What topic do you want to discuss? After all the Wilson/Dawson threads, this is a nice changeup!
Quote from: Litehouse on January 30, 2014, 11:20:17 AM
I'm starting to question our fanbase. We always seem to have an under-appreciated player that is a good, solid, productive player, but we love to hate him for some reason because he isn't good enough for some people. It seems to be Jamil now, before that it was Vander, before that it was Dominic, before that it was Merritt. Maybe it's an issue of expectations, maybe it's a post-Wade thing where we expect our stars to be superhuman. We have a hard time appreciating some players for who they are.
I don't think anyone hates Jamil. Lots of us had hopes he would step up and be the man...that hasn't happened. If anything I think people are disappointed that he hasn't elevated his play, but everyone can recognize he is still a solid contributor.
In today's game, and from my recollection for the first time this season, Jamil drove to the hoop, INTO contact, and made the bucket. If he can do this 5-6 times per game, under control, for layups and dunks and FT's, then he adds the dimension that makes him a hero, an NBA prospect, and a serious threat to all upcoming opponents - which is the only thing I care about.
He has great smarts, a beautiful shot, excellent shot selection on his jumpers, decent range, and "blow-by" quickness. He just needs to learn to take contact and use contact.