Dude's a balla....onions!
Happy things worked out for the kid.
Didn't Derrick Wilson take his spot?
25 points including the game winner tonight,
You'll see Newbill in the NBA....very skilled. Probably ended up being a bad "trade."
Think he'd have that much volume as a shooter on MU's offense?
I don't think so.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
You'll see Newbill in the NBA....very skilled. Probably ended up being a bad "trade."
Who did we trade him for? Jamil Wilson or Reggie Smith?
What was the final verdict on the Newbill situation? Did we do this kid as dirty as it seemed?
I wasn't on scoop at that time. I remember reading an article then about how we basically cut him loose. And then a few weeks later we got jamil from oregon.
I read some old threads on it a while back and it seems like he got the shaft. The ugly side of college basketball, I guess...
In any case, I'm very glad that he's had a successful career thus far and I sincerely hope that the success continues.
Go back and watch the final two minutes vs Davidson last year.
Get back to us on the bad trade.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2014, 09:13:41 PM
Go back and watch the final two minutes vs Davidson last year.
Get back to us on the bad trade.
Sure, Jamil hit some big shots in that game. Just saying the body of work over their respective careers may very well reflect that Newbill has a more productive career.
Glad to see he is doing well after So. Miss.
Have we seriously recruited a Philly kid since the the Newbill debacle?
Quote from: Atticus on January 29, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Have we seriously recruited a Philly kid since the the Newbill debacle?
Did we recruit a Philly kid before the Newbill event?
Im more concerned with the fact that OSU destroyed us.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 29, 2014, 09:28:07 PM
Im more concerned with the fact that OSU destroyed us.
It was more of what MU didn't do.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on January 29, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
What was the final verdict on the Newbill situation? Did we do this kid as dirty as it seemed?
I wasn't on scoop at that time. I remember reading an article then about how we basically cut him loose. And then a few weeks later we got jamil from oregon.
I read some old threads on it a while back and it seems like he got the shaft. The ugly side of college basketball, I guess...
In any case, I'm very glad that he's had a successful career thus far and I sincerely hope that the success continues.
Others can correct me here as I'm going off memory ...
* Jamil transferred from Oregon in June putting us one over the limit
* we recruited 2 PGs, DJ Newbill and Reggie Smith. Smith was the higher rated.
* someone help me here ... I believe it was June and Newbill did not formally "apply" or maybe it was "enroll" in MU making him vulnerable to getting cut loose and using his schollie for someone else. I seem to remember he left himself exposed in some way. If I'm right, I believe the others were in summer school so they already "used" their schollies and cutting them would not open one up (see McKay leaving earlier not opening a schllie as they are yearly). Newbill by not applying or enrolling was the only one we cut cut to make room for Jamil.
* Reggie was higher rated and was from Chicago. He played on the same AAU team as Steve Taylor (memory here again). So Reggie was considered important to keep not just for his higher ranking but the inroads to Chicago he represented. If we cut Reggie out instead of Newbill, would Steve Taylor coming to MU have happened? Others can comment.
These are complicated issues and not as clear-cut as some simple trade. Which is why I asked was the Newbill "trade" for Jamil Wilson or Reggie Smith? If we cut Smith, would Steve Taylor be here? Who would have argued at the time to pass on Jamil for Newbill? Would you make that case today?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 29, 2014, 09:09:12 PM
Think he'd have that much volume as a shooter on MU's offense?
I don't think so.
Given that MU doesn't have any good shooters, if he were part of MU's offense and a good shooter I would hope he would shoot a lot. How did our team shoot the night we played Ohio State this year again?
Quote from: ElDonBDon on January 29, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
What was the final verdict on the Newbill situation? Did we do this kid as dirty as it seemed?
I wasn't on scoop at that time. I remember reading an article then about how we basically cut him loose. And then a few weeks later we got jamil from oregon.
I read some old threads on it a while back and it seems like he got the shaft. The ugly side of college basketball, I guess...
In any case, I'm very glad that he's had a successful career thus far and I sincerely hope that the success continues.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Did-Marquette-put-winning-before-ethics-by-cutti?urn=ncaab,252690
Newbill may have signed and then quit the team like reggie, who knows? Woulda, coulda, shoulda that's life. One door closes another opens.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 29, 2014, 08:39:37 PM
25 points including the game winner tonight,
He finished 9-20 (45%) overall and 2-6 (33%) from 3.
His shot attempts made up 35% of all shots they took.
If we let Mayo shoot 20 a night. I assure you he could match those numbers, in fact I think he would exceed them. Problem is that wouldn't be better for the team as a whole.
Let's get real here. Buzz would 100% have crushed this kid's morale and he would have transferred out after a year or two. Standard outcome for freshmen under Buzz.
The same thing was said about Newbill as it was about Dawson. Posters were lamenting giving scholarships to these low rated recruits. In fact people were happy when Newbill did not get admitted so J. Wilson could come. Newbill has proven to be a very good player and there is a good indication that Dawson will be a very good player. I actually think Newbill was odd man out when Reggie Smith actually qualified. I believe Buzz expected Smith to have to go to prep school for a year, which would of made room for both Newbill and Wilson. Unfortunately Smith jumped ship at end of first semester. This team could of had Smith starting at point, Newbill at the 2 and Blue at the three. None of them are here now and that is why we are struggling.
Marquette sure did blow it on Newbill watching him beat a team
We lost too sucks. But he wouldnt get 20 shots up under Buzz anyway.
Good for him tho.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 29, 2014, 09:54:29 PM
Others can correct me here as I'm going off memory ...
* Jamil transferred from Oregon in June putting us one over the limit
* we recruited 2 PGs, DJ Newbill and Reggie Smith. Smith was the higher rated.
* someone help me here ... I believe it was June and Newbill did not formally "apply" or maybe it was "enroll" in MU making him vulnerable to getting cut loose and using his schollie for someone else. I seem to remember he left himself exposed in some way. If I'm right, I believe the others were in summer school so they already "used" their schollies and cutting them would not open one up (see McKay leaving earlier not opening a schllie as they are yearly). Newbill by not applying or enrolling was the only one we cut cut to make room for Jamil.
Well, it may have been a little more shady than that depending on who you talk to. Newbill's side will tell you that some assistant coach was telling him to "take his time" with his application, the inference being that if he applies and is accepted, the scholarship must be honored because of his NLI.
But then I have also heard that there was always an agreement in place that if Jamil wanted to transfer, Newbill would have to find a place elsewhere...which is why he never applied when he signed his NLI in April.
So who knows?
I would rather have Jamil. He may not be what we expected, but he is a good player who's hit a lot of good shots for us.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 08:46:23 AM
Well, it may have been a little more shady than that depending on who you talk to. Newbill's side will tell you that some assistant coach was telling him to "take his time" with his application, the inference being that if he applies and is accepted, the scholarship must be honored because of his NLI.
But then I have also heard that there was always an agreement in place that if Jamil wanted to transfer, Newbill would have to find a place elsewhere...which is why he never applied when he signed his NLI in April.
So who knows?
I would rather have Jamil. He may not be what we expected, but he is a good player who's hit a lot of good shots for us.
Jamil is a good player that could be a very good to 2nd round draft pick/D league his way onto a NBA Roster. But he is digging himself in a deeper whole every game. GM's and scouts see hes not a natural leader and too passive. He'd thrive in a situation where he can be a utility guy and not the feature/star player its just not in his persona to be the one. There are players even on Marquette who would give their right arm to play 50% of the time jamil Plays.
You rarely, closer to never see him take charge in a huddle, get angry or rally the troops he just comes gives you 30 min scores 10-15 ppg and goes home. Some guys are like that its not a knock on him he just isnt the one to take control and want to be that guy like Vander was last year. Hes gonna do enough to keep himself in the game but often as we see this year thats just not enough to Win!
Many teams have won with Point guards who arent that good but your best player has to play just that much better and although Jamil has been good this year. He's not having a "with the 34th pick in the NBA draft the Washington Wizards select Jamil Wilson year...." That id hoped for. Theres still 11 games left and the BET and maybe NIT to play. So the Jury is out to lunch.
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Quote from: Nevada233 on January 30, 2014, 09:05:25 AM
Jamil is a good player that could be a very good to 2nd round draft pick/D league his way onto a NBA Roster. But he is digging himself in a deeper whole every game. GM's and scouts see hes not a natural leader and too passive. He'd thrive in a situation where he can be a utility guy and not the feature/star player its just not in his persona to be the one. There are players even on Marquette who would give their right arm to play 50% of the time jamil Plays.
You rarely, closer to never see him take charge in a huddle, get angry or rally the troops he just comes gives you 30 min scores 10-15 ppg and goes home. Some guys are like that its not a knock on him he just isnt the one to take control and want to be that guy like Vander was last year. Hes gonna do enough to keep himself in the game but often as we see this year thats just not enough to Win!
Many teams have won with Point guards who arent that good but your best player has to play just that much better and although Jamil has been good this year. He's not having a "with the 34th pick in the NBA draft the Washington Wizards select Jamil Wilson year...." That id hoped for. Theres still 11 games left and the BET and maybe NIT to play. So the Jury is out to lunch.
Jamil or Newbill is a no-brainer based on what we know:
With Jamil, we reached the Elite 8 last year. Without him, unlikely.
Plus, let's not forget that Newbill would have been done at MU after last season, when at best he would have shared time with Junior and/or sat behind Vander.
I'll take the "what we know" over the slight chance that we would have done better than S16-S16-E8 with Newbill instead of Jamil.
That being said, Nevada, everything you say here about Jamil is 100% correct. In this draft, with so many great players, I see little to suggest why an NBA GM would select a guy who will be 24 when next season starts and who underachieved fairly significantly in college.
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
Jamil or Newbill is a no-brainer based on what we know:
With Jamil, we reached the Elite 8 last year. Without him, unlikely.
Plus, let's not forget that Newbill would have been done at MU after last season, when at best he would have shared time with Junior and/or sat behind Vander.
I'll take the "what we know" over the slight chance that we would have done better than S16-S16-E8 with Newbill instead of Jamil.
That being said, Nevada, everything you say here about Jamil is 100% correct. In this draft, with so many great players, I see little to suggest why an NBA GM would select a guy who will be 24 when next season starts and who underachieved fairly significantly in college.
I didnt even know he was about to be 24 next year.
Yea, his NBA window is closing by the minute
The unintended consequence of Newbill's recruitment is Buzz damaged a major bridge here in Philadelphia.
He really upset Delgreco K. Wilson, http://delgrecowilson.com/about/ ,a man who acts as a mentor and adviser to many of the top basketball players in the Philadelphia area.
Delgreco has written negative posts about Buzz's recruiting methods on Philadelphia Big 5 message boards specifically regarding the recruitments of Newbill and Roseboro.
Personally, I think his reasons for disliking Marquette right now are justifiable. I hope Buzz can repair the damage since many of the players Delgreco helps and advises are some of the top players in the country.
Many of his Newbill related posts were on the now defunct St. Joe's board. On the Scout board, he goes by phillyhoops4life, the same name he used on http://hawkhoopclub.proboards.com/.