Looking back, seems like Larry Williams timed his exit perfectly maybe he knew this season was about to enter train wreck territory.
If Buzz is this stubborn in changing his lineup when it seems obvious that a change is needed, how difficult must he be to work with on a day to day basis? Would he listen to a "boss"?
Just watching our players there is not the same life as the past few years, something is rotten and we may never know what that is, but I bet Larry Williams knew and didn't want to be associated with it - or this crappy bball product.
(http://austrianeconomists.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451eb0069e2011570ea5170970c-pi)
Yeah, that's why Larry's checkin' Monster.com daily.
Larry Williams left when Father Pilarz was let go. No surprise there.
Is this regarding Buzz's weight? I feel like he's been doing a good job of keeping the in-season weight off so far.
what a pathetic post. Its unfortuante that these posts are on here and even the ones that are not so blatant all over the board.
Buzz and the other coaches are coaching their asses off, and the players are playing their asses off. This year is simply a culmination of transfers, injuries, and early entry rising up and leaving us a little bit undertalented. We have lost 2 or 3 games in over time and a handful of others by just a few possesions. We have 2 kids playing a ton of minutes that had things gone the way the coaches projected would have gotten approx. the minutes they got last year. That is too much to over come when the difference between winning and losing is so small.
undertalented, no.
We have talented frosh!
underplayed, yes!
I bet there are a bunch of top 20/50/etc teams that play a frosh more minutes than buzz does ours...
You should probably quit while you are behind. HAve you watched Deonte play the last 3-4 games? He was terrible, talented, bright future, but terrible. Its a process. No way Daawson turns in the numbers Derrick did, and unfortunately we need more than what Derrick does. JuJuan is hurt....
But good answer.
Unfortunately the 19 year olds that drank their first beer after the lost and signed up for MU Scoop dont have any perspective and simply expect programs to go to the sweet 16 every year. And dont realize that sometimes a culmination fo bad luck results in us having an undertalented team this year and that John Wooden and the 12 apolostles as asstants cant change that. Dont remeber names like Dukiet, Deane, and Crean and dont realize Buzz is the best thig to ahppen to MU BBAll in 30 years. ok 26
Why do people only use the word "britches" when using this expression?
If anyone wondered about this poster's intentions...
17 MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: New AD on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
"I know Larry and his family personally from ND he is legit, Marquette should be very happy today!"
Also, this poster registered two weeks before Larry was hired (during the courting process?).
Another awful, awful poster coming out of the woodwork.
This place has become a cesspool of bad.
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 27, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
If anyone wondered about this poster's intentions...
17 MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: New AD on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
"I know Larry and his family personally from ND he is legit, Marquette should be very happy today!"
Also, this poster registered two weeks before Larry was hired (during the courting process?).
Well done. So we have an ND alum/fan worried about MU basketball. Thanks but no thanks. Worry about that crappy ND team this year. Maybe Brey is getting too big for his "britches"? LOL
Brey will probably deservedly get canned this year for the disaster that has become ND hoops.
I am a season ticket holder at MQ!
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 27, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
If anyone wondered about this poster's intentions...
17 MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: New AD on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
"I know Larry and his family personally from ND he is legit, Marquette should be very happy today!"
Also, this poster registered two weeks before Larry was hired (during the courting process?).
So we've now got Joanie Crean, Kevin O'Neill, and now Larry Williams posting on Scoop. It's a regular TMZ up in here!
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 27, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
If anyone wondered about this poster's intentions...
17 MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: New AD on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
"I know Larry and his family personally from ND he is legit, Marquette should be very happy today!"
Also, this poster registered two weeks before Larry was hired (during the courting process?).
Haha hysterical
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 27, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
If anyone wondered about this poster's intentions...
17 MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: New AD on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
"I know Larry and his family personally from ND he is legit, Marquette should be very happy today!"
Also, this poster registered two weeks before Larry was hired (during the courting process?).
Ah...a family member or close friend then?
Awesome.
Quote from: harigtad on January 27, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Brey will probably deservedly get canned this year for the disaster that has become ND hoops.
I am a season ticket holder at MQ!
Da fook is MQ?
How dare you come on this board and post such blasphemy. Everybody knows that this season's problems were caused by Larry Williams, D. Gardner, McKay transferring, global warming/climate change, Rodgers shoulder injury...and...Bush.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 27, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
How dare you come on this board and post such blasphemy. Everybody knows that this season's problems were caused by Larry Williams, D. Gardner, McKay transferring, global warming/climate change, Rodgers shoulder injury...and...Bush.
Come on man. This worked when you were the only one not sipping the kool-aid, but there is plenty of criticism of Buzz this year.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on January 27, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
Come on man. This worked when you were the only one not sipping the kool-aid, but there is plenty of criticism of Buzz this year.
Yeah, there has been some criticism this year, but also plenty of slurping also. Look at how this poster just got blasted.
Quote from: harigtad on January 27, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Looking back, seems like Larry Williams timed his exit perfectly maybe he knew this season was about to enter train wreck territory.
If Buzz is this stubborn in changing his lineup when it seems obvious that a change is needed, how difficult must he be to work with on a day to day basis? Would he listen to a "boss"?
Just watching our players there is not the same life as the past few years, something is rotten and we may never know what that is, but I bet Larry Williams knew and didn't want to be associated with it - or this crappy bball product.
I completely agree with you. Larry Williams understood we are rolling the dice with Buzz and he didn't want to gamble with his own reputation. So he left having made us a great deal for the new Big East and on the heels of the elite eight. Smart move on his part. Buzz should have taken the SMU loot when he had the chance. I guess we are stuck with him until he can produce again.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
I completely agree with you. Larry Williams understood we are rolling the dice with Buzz and he didn't want to gamble with his own reputation. So he left having made us a great deal for the new Big East and on the heels of the elite eight. Smart move on his part. Buzz should have taken the SMU loot when he had the chance. I guess we are stuck with him until he can produce again.
Yeah, Hoop, LW made a great decision to resign. Looks better on his resume' than being fired. He still exploring all those opportunities or has he settled on one?
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
I completely agree with you. Larry Williams understood we are rolling the dice with Buzz and he didn't want to gamble with his own reputation.
Which isn't the true story...at all.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 27, 2014, 08:18:33 PM
Which isn't the true story...at all.
Ok so let us know what the true story is...
His contract wasn't going to be renewed. He said that he would rather leave. They negotiated some sort of buy out.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 27, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
His contract wasn't going to be renewed. He said that he would rather leave. They negotiated some sort of buy out.
Your second sentence is what we are focused on. He left on his own terms. Also I am not in agreement with the notion that his contract was not going to be renewed. I think it had a finite period and he didn't want to wait around and see if it was renewed or not.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 27, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
Yeah, there has been some criticism this year, but also plenty of slurping also. Look at how this poster just got blasted.
He got blasted because there is a strong possibility his opinion is crap-flinging due to a personal relationship with LW. See: his previous posts including the "I know LW from ND." It's likelihood of trolling is pretty high--rather, the probative value of his statements is severely outweighed by the inflammatory nature of his post. Don't be jealous that a new troll has moved in the neighborhood.
Honestly, I am just tired of the new trend of crap-slinging and irrational chicken-little finger pointing. It used to just be a quietly ignorable minority (willie, et al)...but it seems that this trend has multiplied like a virus and become the new tea party of the board-- a group of people who believe the only means to prove the validity of their point is not by the use of substantive facts, but by whoever can yell their point the loudest. I try to keep things lighthearted and (perhaps a little too often) make a joke about a situation. However, the aforementioned group of chicken littles has made the once enjoyable exercise of conversations on this board a cesspool makes it difficult to justify why I even come here. Time for me to fade into the ether for a while and just enjoy the team without the baggage of the fans for a little bit.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
I completely agree with you. Larry Williams understood we are rolling the dice with Buzz and he didn't want to gamble with his own reputation. So he left having made us a great deal for the new Big East and on the heels of the elite eight. Smart move on his part. Buzz should have taken the SMU loot when he had the chance. I guess we are stuck with him until he can produce again.
Until this post, I actually liked to read your posts and have discussions. Unless this is high sarcasm... ignore.
PS. with President Scranton gone, it was only a matter of time for LW. maybe just after that. maybe once the next President took office. But for sure eventually.
Also, how did 2 trolls manage to combine to make this a top post? awful. Mods have to see through this, right?
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 08:25:13 PM
Your second sentence is what we are focused on. He left on his own terms. Also I am not in agreement with the notion that his contract was not going to be renewed. I think it had a finite period and he didn't want to wait around and see if it was renewed or not.
Huh? I am telling you what happened. Fr. Wild (or someone close to him) told LW sometime just after Thanksgiving that he would not be employed beyond this academic year. I am not sure if he had a multi-year contract of some sort, or a simple rollover. And while it was his decision to leave before the end of the academic year, it most certainly was not his decision to end his employment with Marquette.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2014, 08:27:55 PM
Until this post, I actually liked to read your posts and have discussions. Unless this is high sarcasm... ignore.
PS. with President Scranton gone, it was only a matter of time for LW. maybe just after that. maybe once the next President took office. But for sure eventually.
That is all I was saying, he would rather leave on his own terms than be asked out the door, declared victory and moved on.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
That is all I was saying, he would rather leave on his own terms than be asked out the door, declared victory and moved on.
But that isn't what happened. He did not "leave on his own terms."
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 27, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
He got blasted because there is a strong possibility his opinion is crap-flinging due to a personal relationship with LW. See: his previous posts including the "I know LW from ND." It's likelihood of trolling is pretty high--rather, the probative value of his statements is severely outweighed by the inflammatory nature of his post. Don't be jealous that a new troll has moved in the neighborhood.
Honestly, I am just tired of the new trend of crap-slinging and irrational chicken-little finger pointing. It used to just be a quietly ignorable minority (willie, et al)...but it seems that this trend has multiplied like a virus and become the new tea party of the board-- a group of people who believe the only means to prove the validity of their point is not by the use of substantive facts, but by whoever can yell their point the loudest. I try to keep things lighthearted and (perhaps a little too often) make a joke about a situation. However, the aforementioned group of chicken littles has made the once enjoyable exercise of conversations on this board a cesspool makes it difficult to justify why I even come here. Time for me to fade into the ether for a while and just enjoy the team without the baggage of the fans for a little bit.
Amen, Jake.
Translation=Larry got s hitcanned.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2014, 08:53:29 PM
Translation=Larry got s hitcanned.
LOL....yes. In so many words.
I guess if Chris Columbo is told that he has 15 minutes to clean out his office, and he leaves after 10, then he is "leaving on his own terms."
To add to the rumor pile .. what I understand is that he did leave on his own terms, and the current theory of him being some sort of inevitable departure after Pilarz's is false. LW was doing a decent job at MU and wasn't in any danger of being shown the door.
Of course, none of us were in the room, but that's the story I've been given.
Quote from: harigtad on January 27, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Looking back, seems like Larry Williams timed his exit perfectly maybe he knew this season was about to enter train wreck territory.
If Buzz is this stubborn in changing his lineup when it seems obvious that a change is needed, how difficult must he be to work with on a day to day basis? Would he listen to a "boss"?
Just watching our players there is not the same life as the past few years, something is rotten and we may never know what that is, but I bet Larry Williams knew and didn't want to be associated with it - or this crappy bball product.
Nothin' like a dumb a$$ domer to stink up the place.
What do you get when you breed a pig with an ND alum? Nothing. There are some things even pigs won't do.
Quote from: harigtad on January 27, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Looking back, seems like Larry Williams timed his exit perfectly maybe he knew this season was about to enter train wreck territory.
If Buzz is this stubborn in changing his lineup when it seems obvious that a change is needed, how difficult must he be to work with on a day to day basis? Would he listen to a "boss"?
Just watching our players there is not the same life as the past few years, something is rotten and we may never know what that is, but I bet Larry Williams knew and didn't want to be associated with it - or this crappy bball product.
Has there ever been an AD who said to himself, "Self, we might have a really bad basketball season, so I'd better become unemployed and eventually hope to land a job somewhere near as good"?
If that really was LW's mindset, he was the worst AD in the country. Who thinks so myopically and with such a short-term view?
I sincerely doubt that's what LW was thinking, though. I'll give him that much credit.
The poster? He gets no credit for such silliness.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 27, 2014, 08:56:19 PM
To add to the rumor pile .. what I understand is that he did leave on his own terms, and the current theory of him being some sort of inevitable departure after Pilarz's is false. LW was doing a decent job at MU and wasn't in any danger of being shown the door.
Of course, none of us were in the room, but that's the story I've been given.
So why did he leave, then? In the middle of the school year? Without another job to move onto?
I don't know the answers, and I'm sure you don't know either. I'm just saying that IMO those questions undermine the credibility of the story that you were told somewhat. Both sides blowing big kisses each other's way could very well have been part of the exit deal.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2014, 10:21:09 PM
Has there ever been an AD who said to himself, "Self, we might have a really bad basketball season, so I'd better become unemployed and eventually hope to land a job somewhere near as good"?
If that really was LW's mindset, he was the worst AD in the country. Who thinks so myopically and with such a short-term view?
I sincerely doubt that's what LW was thinking, though. I'll give him that much credit.
The poster? He gets no credit for such silliness.
I think it was more along the lines of "Self I have done great things by getting us a fantastic tv deal and future new conference, we just finished a great year and now I am facing a new President and still have to play second fiddle to the basketball coach. I will leave now with my record intact, I have plenty of money and I am going to enjoy watching my two sons play college football and kick back and do some consulting work until another good job opens up" Actually people who are successful have conversations like that with themselves all the time. this guy has had a long NFL career, practiced law with a major law firm, and has a very solid record of achievement in athletic administration at the college level. He has plenty of doors that are going to be open for him. Also if you ever met him in person, while he may come off as cocky etc to a University President etc he has perfected the speech about academics first and that will get him many jobs. He is not going to role the dice on an unreliable guy like Buzz. Just not in his DNA right or wrong.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 27, 2014, 11:33:18 PM
I think it was more along the lines of "Self I have done great things by getting us a fantastic tv deal and future new conference, we just finished a great year and now I am facing a new President and still have to play second fiddle to the basketball coach. I will leave now with my record intact, I have plenty of money and I am going to enjoy watching my two sons play college football and kick back and do some consulting work until another good job opens up" Actually people who are successful have conversations like that with themselves all the time. this guy has had a long NFL career, practiced law with a major law firm, and has a very solid record of achievement in athletic administration at the college level. He has plenty of doors that are going to be open for him. Also if you ever met him in person, while he may come off as cocky etc to a University President etc he has perfected the speech about academics first and that will get him many jobs. He is not going to role the dice on an unreliable guy like Buzz. Just not in his DNA right or wrong.
But that's not what happened. No matter how many times you say it.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 27, 2014, 11:08:08 PM
So why did he leave, then? In the middle of the school year? Without another job to move onto?
I don't know the answers, and I'm sure you don't know either. I'm just saying that IMO those questions undermine the credibility of the story that you were told somewhat. Both sides blowing big kisses each other's way could very well have been part of the exit deal.
I'm just going to say this. The guy who told me about LW is the same one that told me about Todd's academic issues weeks before it became public, and the same guy who told me about the alleged sexual assaults months before they become public. He is in a position to know.
interesting insight and appreciate you adding value to the discussion.
I do think Buzz v Larry power struggle is the reason behind the firing/resignation.
The tension between Buzz and Larry was probably 'A' factor, but not 'THE' factor. The Pilarz-Larry alliance factors in. Just as Pilarz left because he didn't feel he was the right man for the huge upcoming fundraising, how Larry was perceived by many of the influential donors and the BOT needs to be factored in. An AD can't be butchering big money donors names during fundraisers. When an institution has a successful and popular coach for one of its programs, it is bad form to appear to be undercutting him, badmouthing him, and hamstringing him. It hurts fundraising. So, IMO, when the BOT brought back Wild as a transitional president until the new, forward looking, money raising machine is hired, the writing was on the wall for Larry.
You certain you got that right on Pilarz?
I take him at his word in his resignation letter. I have heard many of the same rumors, hints, allegations, etc. But he's gone now, so what is the point of raking him over the coals?
Hope you don't believe in Santa and the Easter bunny too?
So what's the real story with Pilarz then?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 28, 2014, 08:39:22 AM
I'm just going to say this. The guy who told me about LW is the same one that told me about Todd's academic issues weeks before it became public, and the same guy who told me about the alleged sexual assaults months before they become public. He is in a position to know.
You are very confident about this, Sultan, so you've got my vote.
Now, while you have all this power, go do something about either shrinking Buzz or getting him some bigger britches!
Quote from: Litehouse on January 28, 2014, 10:00:26 AM
So what's the real story with Pilarz then?
I don't know the details, but I have worked in higher education 25+ years. I have never...ever...heard of a President leaving a job voluntarily just after an academic year started. I have heard enough to know that donors weren't happy and financial issues were a concern. My *guess* is that the Board said "resign or be fired."
BTW, in regards to Buzz's britches, it appears that he could use some smaller ones. He looked like he could change his name to 'buff' in the Georgetown postgame locker room.
Buzz has a guy in Kansas City. Gets him all of his suits. Maybe that guy is to be blamed if Buzz's britches are too big or small, and we can blame this season on him.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2014, 10:21:09 PM
Has there ever been an AD who said to himself, "Self, we might have a really bad basketball season, so I'd better become unemployed and eventually hope to land a job somewhere near as good"?
If that really was LW's mindset, he was the worst AD in the country. Who thinks so myopically and with such a short-term view?
I sincerely doubt that's what LW was thinking, though. I'll give him that much credit.
The poster? He gets no credit for such silliness.
Sure there has been an AD like this! At the same university where the coach of our men's basketball team (the only real revenue generating sport we have) is trying to lose the rest of the games we have scheduled this year instead of playing freshmen who would give us a better chance of winning. In fact, I bet LW actually left because he discovered the truth behind Buzz's sordid plan, and wanted no part in that type of behavior! I bet that in one of the two or three times LW and Buzz spoke this year LW told Buzz he would have to play freshmen this year, no matter how badly Buzz wanted to lose. So, Buzz had to think deep. Drawing on the memories of his idol (and the reason for his shaved head) Dr. Evil, Buzz came up with a plan so dastardly that it defied all logic and reason!
First, he had to convince major university donors to stop contributing and complain about LW's patron to the University Trustees. But how to do it? Of course! Convince those donors that unless they did what he wanted he would keep our most talented players on the bench, causing us to lose all but two of our conference games in the inaugural year. The fact that this was Buzz's intent all along just made the threats sweeter. Seeing the brilliance of Buzz, donors stopped giving and started complaining, so much in fact that the University had to reverse course and replace Pilarz with the more agreeable Father Wild. Mission accomplished. In a reward to those who had supported him, and seeking to torment hardcore MUBB fans who saw what he was doing, Buzz played those freshmen in a road game at Georgetown, winning handily in overtime.
Now that Pilarz was gone there was nothing to stop Buzz from getting rid of LW, and preserving his plan of losing every game left on MU's schedule. MMMbbbbwaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Seeing the inevitability, LW, with his honor intact, left MU rather than share the taint of basketball team that couldn't follow up from an Elite Eight season, and left for a job.......well, he left.
Unfortunately there were some that saw through Buzz's evil plan. Posters Like Columbo and Willie saw the charlatan for what he really is, and have made it their life's mission to tell the truth about Dr. Buzz, the freshman-hating, D1 coach who would stubbornly rather lose conference games and a season than change a lineup and allow Ners to shout at the top of his lungs: See, I was Right!
Shoulda used Teal ;D Someone here will probably try to refute your argument point by point.
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
I take him at his word in his resignation letter. I have heard many of the same rumors, hints, allegations, etc. But he's gone now, so what is the point of raking him over the coals?
Anyone care to share the rumors, hints, allegations? I'll even accept a PM.
Quote from: connie on January 28, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Sure there has been an AD like this! At the same university where the coach of our men's basketball team (the only real revenue generating sport we have) is trying to lose the rest of the games we have scheduled this year instead of playing freshmen who would give us a better chance of winning. In fact, I bet LW actually left because he discovered the truth behind Buzz's sordid plan, and wanted no part in that type of behavior! I bet that in one of the two or three times LW and Buzz spoke this year LW told Buzz he would have to play freshmen this year, no matter how badly Buzz wanted to lose. So, Buzz had to think deep. Drawing on the memories of his idol (and the reason for his shaved head) Dr. Evil, Buzz came up with a plan so dastardly that it defied all logic and reason!
First, he had to convince major university donors to stop contributing and complain about LW's patron to the University Trustees. But how to do it? Of course! Convince those donors that unless they did what he wanted he would keep our most talented players on the bench, causing us to lose all but two of our conference games in the inaugural year. The fact that this was Buzz's intent all along just made the threats sweeter. Seeing the brilliance of Buzz, donors stopped giving and started complaining, so much in fact that the University had to reverse course and replace Pilarz with the more agreeable Father Wild. Mission accomplished. In a reward to those who had supported him, and seeking to torment hardcore MUBB fans who saw what he was doing, Buzz played those freshmen in a road game at Georgetown, winning handily in overtime.
Now that Pilarz was gone there was nothing to stop Buzz from getting rid of LW, and preserving his plan of losing every game left on MU's schedule. MMMbbbbwaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Seeing the inevitability, LW, with his honor intact, left MU rather than share the taint of basketball team that couldn't follow up from an Elite Eight season, and left for a job.......well, he left.
Unfortunately there were some that saw through Buzz's evil plan. Posters Like Columbo and Willie saw the charlatan for what he really is, and have made it their life's mission to tell the truth about Dr. Buzz, the freshman-hating, D1 coach who would stubbornly rather lose conference games and a season than change a lineup and allow Ners to shout at the top of his lungs: See, I was Right!
Shut down Scoop. This post is the greatest I have ever read.
wait, I thought it was the Bucks that were tanking it this year?
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 28, 2014, 12:17:58 PM
wait, I thought it was the Bucks that were tanking it this year?
It's a Milwaukee thing
Quote from: connie on January 28, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Sure there has been an AD like this! At the same university where the coach of our men's basketball team (the only real revenue generating sport we have) is trying to lose the rest of the games we have scheduled this year instead of playing freshmen who would give us a better chance of winning. In fact, I bet LW actually left because he discovered the truth behind Buzz's sordid plan, and wanted no part in that type of behavior! I bet that in one of the two or three times LW and Buzz spoke this year LW told Buzz he would have to play freshmen this year, no matter how badly Buzz wanted to lose. So, Buzz had to think deep. Drawing on the memories of his idol (and the reason for his shaved head) Dr. Evil, Buzz came up with a plan so dastardly that it defied all logic and reason!
First, he had to convince major university donors to stop contributing and complain about LW's patron to the University Trustees. But how to do it? Of course! Convince those donors that unless they did what he wanted he would keep our most talented players on the bench, causing us to lose all but two of our conference games in the inaugural year. The fact that this was Buzz's intent all along just made the threats sweeter. Seeing the brilliance of Buzz, donors stopped giving and started complaining, so much in fact that the University had to reverse course and replace Pilarz with the more agreeable Father Wild. Mission accomplished. In a reward to those who had supported him, and seeking to torment hardcore MUBB fans who saw what he was doing, Buzz played those freshmen in a road game at Georgetown, winning handily in overtime.
Now that Pilarz was gone there was nothing to stop Buzz from getting rid of LW, and preserving his plan of losing every game left on MU's schedule. MMMbbbbwaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Seeing the inevitability, LW, with his honor intact, left MU rather than share the taint of basketball team that couldn't follow up from an Elite Eight season, and left for a job.......well, he left.
Unfortunately there were some that saw through Buzz's evil plan. Posters Like Columbo and Willie saw the charlatan for what he really is, and have made it their life's mission to tell the truth about Dr. Buzz, the freshman-hating, D1 coach who would stubbornly rather lose conference games and a season than change a lineup and allow Ners to shout at the top of his lungs: See, I was Right!
*waiting for columbo's +1*
Quote from: connie on January 28, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Sure there has been an AD like this! At the same university where the coach of our men's basketball team (the only real revenue generating sport we have) is trying to lose the rest of the games we have scheduled this year instead of playing freshmen who would give us a better chance of winning. In fact, I bet LW actually left because he discovered the truth behind Buzz's sordid plan, and wanted no part in that type of behavior! I bet that in one of the two or three times LW and Buzz spoke this year LW told Buzz he would have to play freshmen this year, no matter how badly Buzz wanted to lose. So, Buzz had to think deep. Drawing on the memories of his idol (and the reason for his shaved head) Dr. Evil, Buzz came up with a plan so dastardly that it defied all logic and reason!
First, he had to convince major university donors to stop contributing and complain about LW's patron to the University Trustees. But how to do it? Of course! Convince those donors that unless they did what he wanted he would keep our most talented players on the bench, causing us to lose all but two of our conference games in the inaugural year. The fact that this was Buzz's intent all along just made the threats sweeter. Seeing the brilliance of Buzz, donors stopped giving and started complaining, so much in fact that the University had to reverse course and replace Pilarz with the more agreeable Father Wild. Mission accomplished. In a reward to those who had supported him, and seeking to torment hardcore MUBB fans who saw what he was doing, Buzz played those freshmen in a road game at Georgetown, winning handily in overtime.
Now that Pilarz was gone there was nothing to stop Buzz from getting rid of LW, and preserving his plan of losing every game left on MU's schedule. MMMbbbbwaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Seeing the inevitability, LW, with his honor intact, left MU rather than share the taint of basketball team that couldn't follow up from an Elite Eight season, and left for a job.......well, he left.
Unfortunately there were some that saw through Buzz's evil plan. Posters Like Columbo and Willie saw the charlatan for what he really is, and have made it their life's mission to tell the truth about Dr. Buzz, the freshman-hating, D1 coach who would stubbornly rather lose conference games and a season than change a lineup and allow Ners to shout at the top of his lungs: See, I was Right!
What a stupid post.
Everybody knows there's at least one more "ha" in "MMMbbbbwaahahahahahahaha"!!!!!!!!!
I'm curious how many people didn't want Larry no matter what because he was a ND guy?
I suppose if you ask a UCLA grad would they be ok with a USC alum as their AD they would freak out. Same goes for Florida and FSU or Duke and UNC, etc, etc.
I'm sure there are fans that think this way.
For me, as much as I love ND as a rival, I don't think they view us as much as a rival so its a little different. They're still football centric and its all about Michigan, USC, Navy, etc. I didn't have an issue with a man that went to law school, graduated from a fine school, was actually a DI athlete at the highest level, played in professional sports. That's a pretty solid resume in my book.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 27, 2014, 10:35:50 AM
Why do people only use the word "britches" when using this expression?
'Sup Britches!!!???
We have many challenges this season but this ain't one of them.
Britches - Keefe, I'm thinking a colonial era photo collage on pants may be in order?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 28, 2014, 01:01:51 PM
I'm curious how many people didn't want Larry no matter what because he was a ND guy?
I suppose if you ask a UCLA grad would they be ok with a USC alum as their AD they would freak out. Same goes for Florida and FSU or Duke and UNC, etc, etc.
I'm sure there are fans that think this way.
For me, as much as I love ND as a rival, I don't think they view us as much as a rival so its a little different. They're still football centric and its all about Michigan, USC, Navy, etc. I didn't have an issue with a man that went to law school, graduated from a fine school, was actually a DI athlete at the highest level, played in professional sports. That's a pretty solid resume in my book.
Agree with almost all of this Chicos. But there is no way to put it that one loves ND as a rival. They are indeed hated.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 28, 2014, 01:27:32 PM
Britches - Keefe, I'm thinking a colonial era photo collage on pants may be in order?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Ralph_Earl_-_Elijah_Boardman_-_WGA7452.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c4Bndp8d3fA/ScfsMIz2xSI/AAAAAAAAGJM/HQdgF46wnIc/s1600-h/lee%2Bpellew's_anaconda.jpg)
(http://historicromance.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/underslash.jpg%3Fw%3D510)
(http://img.smartpak.com/product/300x300/21117_Back.jpg)
(http://www.tackeria.com/contents/media/tredstep%20symphony%20no.%203%20rosa%20full%20seat%20breeches.jpg)
(http://www.theequestriancorner.com/files/1825774/uploaded/ladiescottonfullseat10005-01.jpg)
(http://www.kerrits.com/images/Kerrits_Homepage_SS14.jpg)
I think Ima gonna go ride a horse.
Or dress up as one.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 28, 2014, 01:31:27 PM
Agree with almost all of this Chicos. But there is no way to put it that one loves ND as a rival. They are indeed hated.
I don't hate them. I think we have more in common with them than most schools. I used to hate them, but since moving back out this way I don't. I enjoy it when they beat USC in football. I believe in most of their Catholic mission, and the few ND folks out here that I run into have been great, not the pick my nose and see my ring types.
Nice job, ZFB.
For anyone keeping score at home (work), with this new line of pics, ZFB now takes the lead
ZFB - 7
Keefe - 5
Well done chap!......er..uhh..Ziggy!
Seems britches have come a long way.
Too big for his britches? Is he putting on all that weight he lost a few years back?
I'd rather be the horse.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on January 29, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Nice job, ZFB.
For anyone keeping score at home (work), with this new line of pics, ZFB now takes the lead
ZFB - 7
Keefe - 5
Humbled, but Keefe is still the man. I don't have any IDF photos.
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
is JJJ still leaving?
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
Yeah. Good call. ::)
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
2 sweet 16's and 1 elite 8?
Quote from: muarmy81 on January 29, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
2 sweet 16's and 1 elite 8?
He only got there because he's a good coach, not because he can recruit talent... no wait, that's not right.
He only got there because his players' talent and good recruiting, not because he can coach... no wait, that's not right either.
dang. i'm stumped.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 29, 2014, 01:02:12 PM
He only got there because he's a good coach, not because he can recruit talent... no wait, that's not right.
He only got there because his players' talent and good recruiting, not because he can coach... no wait, that's not right either.
dang. i'm stumped.
He only got there because his teams put up unprecedented Luck rankings in KenPom. Nope, not right either. Though we had some proper voodoo last year.
#203, #312, #306, #67, #10.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
Then you obviously weren't a fan of Crean, Deane, O'Neill, Dukiet, Majerus, or Raymonds. Anybody not named McGuire, and my guess is your too young to remember him. Your life as a Marquette fan must really suck.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 29, 2014, 01:13:20 PM
Then you obviously weren't a fan of Crean, Deane, O'Neill, Dukiet, Majerus, or Raymonds. Anybody not named McGuire, and my guess is your too young to remember him. Your life as a Marquette fan must really suck.
"fan"
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
Excellent call. The past five years were excruciating, what with all those deep tournament runs, entertaining players and whatnot.
I sure hope we can find a coach who will be guaranteed to do better than Buzz has. What a loser he's been.
Dread beats the 'ignore' function with the unbridled stupidity. There are few truly 'great' coaches. We all can name them. Even the 'greats' have flaws. IMO, Buzz is the best coach at MU since Al. Crean was good and deserves props for building enthusiasm for the program and selling the program. But as a recruiter, as an X and O guy, IMO Buzz is better. He is not beyond reproach. He has flaws, like all of us and all of the other coaches. But I believe that if he stays here, say 15 years, this year will be the outlier. And I sure don't see a whole lot better out there that would be willing to come to MU. Miller, Bennett, Pastner, Brad......they ain't walking through that door. And he will continue to be rumored for so many different slots because the entire college basketball world sees it differently than you do, dreadman.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
So other marvelous predictions/statements of yours:
Buzz is to SMU is a done deal
2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East
Vander Blue is a bust (then later you told us him entering the draft was your prediction)
Creighton to the new Big East is a joke
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
Dread beats the 'ignore' function with the unbridled stupidity. There are few truly 'great' coaches. We all can name them. Even the 'greats' have flaws. IMO, Buzz is the best coach at MU since Al. Crean was good and deserves props for building enthusiasm for the program and selling the program. But as a recruiter, as an X and O guy, IMO Buzz is better. He is not beyond reproach. He has flaws, like all of us and all of the other coaches. But I believe that if he stays here, say 15 years, this year will be the outlier. And I sure don't see a whole lot better out there that would be willing to come to MU. Miller, Bennett, Pastner, Brad......they ain't walking through that door. And he will continue to be rumored for so many different slots because the entire college basketball world sees it differently than you do, dreadman.
Up until this year I thought Buzz was a great coach. Now I'm going with good coach. He is a great recruiter, but I don't agree that he is all that as an X and O's guy. And his in game adjustments often leave a lot to be desired. He has been exposed this year as woefully stubborn and that is why I don't think he is great anymore. I'm still glad we have him though,as I think the potential recruits he can bring in will make up for his shortcomings as a game planner/in game coach.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
Some of the reaction to this season is unbelievable. We are coming off our most successful 5 year stretch in 35+ years and you were never a fan of that?
I think Buzz is doing a less than stellar job with this particular group of players, but overall how can you be anything but satisfied with the job he has done? He's regularly bringing in highly rated classes and other than this year, winning big with them.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 29, 2014, 01:55:10 PM
Up until this year I thought Buzz was a great coach. Now I'm going with good coach. He is a great recruiter, but I don't agree that he is all that as an X and O's guy. And his in game adjustments often leave a lot to be desired. He has been exposed this year as woefully stubborn and that is why I don't think he is great anymore. I'm still glad we have him though,as I think the potential recruits he can bring in will make up for his shortcomings as a game planner/in game coach.
I didn't say he was great. I think he still has a way to go and may never get there. I said best since Al. I think his X and O's are solid and that he is always trying to get better. If past is any predictor of future, Buzz will learn from this year and get better. This year is just frustrating. Buzz warned in September and October that this year's team had exactly two players who had ever done anything. And that was before the injury to Duane, McKay leaving, and the lingering injury to STjr. I have a feeling that he saw this coming, far better than most here.
he was just a year off on "2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East"
and could have shot bigger - maybe all of NCAA Div 1.... and some DII and DIII
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 29, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
So other marvelous predictions/statements of yours:
Buzz is to SMU is a done deal
2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East
Vander Blue is a bust (then later you told us him entering the draft was your prediction)
Creighton to the new Big East is a joke
madtown
+1
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 29, 2014, 02:04:49 PM
Some of the reaction to this season is unbelievable. We are coming off our most successful 5 year stretch in 35+ years and you were never a fan of that?
I think Buzz is doing a less than stellar job with this particular group of players, but overall how can you be anything but satisfied with the job he has done? He's regularly bringing in highly rated classes and other than this year, winning big with them.
It truly is, and from what I consider to be a pretty knowledgeable fan base (and consider this board to be representative of that). I just laugh. If Buzz reads this stuff he must piss his pants. I can't imagine how hard he would laugh at someone like dreadman.
Everyone's a couch coach.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2014, 02:11:24 PM
I didn't say he was great. I think he still has a way to go and may never get there. I said best since Al. I think his X and O's are solid and that he is always trying to get better. If past is any predictor of future, Buzz will learn from this year and get better. This year is just frustrating. Buzz warned in September and October that this year's team had exactly two players who had ever done anything. And that was before the injury to Duane, McKay leaving, and the lingering injury to STjr. I have a feeling that he saw this coming, far better than most here.
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Yes the all seeing, all knowing Buzzaraji--he saw the RS to Duane, and McKay leaving well in advance of everybody. Of course, if he was planning all along to RS Duane, then he did see that in advance. But at any rate keep on slurping the Kool Aid Tower.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 29, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
It truly is, and from what I consider to be a pretty knowledgeable fan base (and consider this board to be representative of that). I just laugh. If Buzz reads this stuff he must piss his pants. I can't imagine how hard he would laugh at someone like dreadman.
Everyone's a couch coach.
Less than stellar=?????
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 29, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!
You mean, in your head?