Name Plus Minus Game Min. P/M per Min
J. Wilson 80 68 12 44 0.27
D. Gardner 75 51 24 40 0.6
C. Otule 19 31 -12 15 -0.8
J. Thomas 62 51 11 35 0.31
D. Wilson 23 24 -1 12 -0.08
J. Anderson 2 5 -3 4 -0.75
D. Burton 7 11 -4 6 -0.67
Mayo 20 27 -7 15 -0.47
Dawson 66 48 18 31 0.58
S. Taylor 44 44 0 23 0
Confirms the eye test - the Dawson, Thomas, JWilson, Taylor, Gardner lineup looked great in D.C. Hope there's more to come there.
Quote from: BenCat12 on January 23, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
Name Plus Minus Game Min. P/M per Min
J. Wilson 80 68 12 44 0.27
D. Gardner 75 51 24 40 0.6
C. Otule 19 31 -12 15 -0.8
J. Thomas 62 51 11 35 0.31
D. Wilson 23 24 -1 12 -0.08
J. Anderson 2 5 -3 4 -0.75
D. Burton 7 11 -4 6 -0.67
Mayo 20 27 -7 15 -0.47
Dawson 66 48 18 31 0.58
S. Taylor 44 44 0 23 0
Interesting, but aren't the guys (Chris, Derrick) who play defense in the D/O switch going to do worse than the guys subbed in for offense (Davante, John)? Can the figures be adjusted to give a better picture? Thanks.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
Interesting, but aren't the guys (Chris, Derrick) who play defense in the D/O switch going to do worse than the guys subbed in for offense (Davante, John)? Can the figures be adjusted to give a better picture? Thanks.
Surprisingly, the only game there was a large discrepancy was the game against Georgetown. Otherwise the offense defense switch doesn't happen as much as we think it does. Obviously sample size, in the case of JuJuan and Steve, and late game situations do effect the data slightly. After re-watching the games, Mayo and Dawson's numbers are skewed positively because of Mayo's late game FT shooting ability and because of Buzz playing offense defense with Dawson in the Georgetown game. For example, in OT against Georgetown Dawson was +13.
Despite all the debate over D. Wilson vs Dawson, the real question that needs to be answered is why does Anderson get any minutes at this point? An argument can also be made that a lineup of D. Wilson at point, Dawson at 2, Jake at 3 J.Wilson at 4 and Davante at 5, may be the best overall lineup. Jake's ability to guard a "3" and rebound would be the question. Another argument could be made that Otule and Mayo are seeing too many minutes. Obviously the +/- stat is not an end all be all in regards to deserved playing time, but it is a different way at looking at how the team performs when certain individuals are on the court.
Quote from: BenCat12 on January 23, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
Jake's ability to guard a "3" and rebound would be the question.
Big question. I'm guessing the answer would overwhelmingly be no against most opponents.
EDIT: I love Jake, and it's in no way a slight against him. This guy has hit one big shot after another over the last few games including two monster 3s in the last 6 minutes of the G-town game (third rattled out from way out). He's becoming a real threat beyond the arc, but to ask him to guard a 3 and rebound more often is unrealistic. I'd rather put my faith in Dawson figuring out on defense, put Jake at the 2 for 15-20 minutes, and have Taylor, Gardner, Wilson, and Otule occupy the 3-4-5. Obviously, we can play smaller sometimes, but if so, put Mayo at the 3--more athletic, better defender.
Quote from: windyplayer on January 23, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Big question. I'm guessing the answer would overwhelmingly be no against most opponents.
EDIT: I love Jake, and it's in no way a slight against him. This guy has hit one big shot after another over the last few games including two monster 3s in the last 6 minutes of the G-town game (third rattled out from way out). He's becoming a real threat beyond the arc, but to ask him to guard a 3 and rebound more often is unrealistic. I'd rather put my faith in Dawson figuring out on defense, put Jake at the 2 for 15-20 minutes, and have Taylor, Gardner, Wilson, and Otule occupy the 3-4-5. Obviously, we can play smaller sometimes, but if so, put Mayo at the 3--more athletic, better defender.
My point was that based strictly on the +/- of the last 5 games, the lineup I proposed would be the best overall....obviously Jake guarding a "3" could be difficult, but perhaps more zone could be used. Right now there seems to be fairly strong statistical evidence that proves Anderson and Otule are killing this team right now. That means more minutes for guards and perhaps playing smaller lineups like the one I mentioned. Obviously if JuJuan and STjr are healthy and ready to play they could and probably should take minutes from Otule, Anderson and Mayo.
Quote from: BenCat12 on January 23, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
My point was that based strictly on the +/- of the last 5 games, the lineup I proposed would be the best overall....obviously Jake guarding a "3" could be difficult, but perhaps more zone could be used. Right now there seems to be fairly strong statistical evidence that proves Anderson and Otule are killing this team right now. That means more minutes for guards and perhaps playing smaller lineups like the one I mentioned. Obviously if JuJuan and STjr are healthy and ready to play they could and probably should take minutes from Otule, Anderson and Mayo.
I feel you.
Quote from: BenCat12 on January 23, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
Name Plus Minus Game Min. P/M per Min
J. Wilson 80 68 12 44 0.27
D. Gardner 75 51 24 40 0.6
C. Otule 19 31 -12 15 -0.8
J. Thomas 62 51 11 35 0.31
D. Wilson 23 24 -1 12 -0.08
J. Anderson 2 5 -3 4 -0.75
D. Burton 7 11 -4 6 -0.67
Mayo 20 27 -7 15 -0.47
Dawson 66 48 18 31 0.58
S. Taylor 44 44 0 23 0
Nice stats. Another interesting way to look at the +/- is the roland rating, which is a comparison to the +/- when they are on the court compared to the +/- when they are off the court.
For Georgetown game.
Player RR
J. Wilson +16
D. Gardner +38
C. Otule -22
D. Wilson -30
J. Thomas +8
J. Dawson +34
T. Mayo -20
J. Anderson -16
S. Taylor 0
D. Burton -18
Gives a great perspective of the how much impact some players had.
Similarly, sorted for decreasing PM/min...
Name Plus Minus Game Min. P/M per Min
D. Gardner 75 51 24 40 0.6
Dawson 66 48 18 31 0.58
J. Thomas 62 51 11 35 0.31
J. Wilson 80 68 12 44 0.27
S. Taylor 44 44 0 23 0.0
D. Wilson 23 24 -1 12 -0.08
Mayo 20 27 -7 15 -0.47
D. Burton 7 11 -4 6 -0.67
J. Anderson 2 5 -3 4 -0.75
C. Otule 19 31 -12 15 -0.8