Five or six missed calls the commentators have pointed out against Marquette.
No. all missed calls even out over the course of the game. calls at the end are the same.
It all evens out. F that BS Chicos.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 20, 2014, 10:23:36 PM
Five or six missed calls the commentators have pointed out against Marquette.
Well [Chicos] the five bad calls throughout the game led to more than one GU point. Without that point we win and it doesn't go to OT.
Wilson got away with a double dribble so probably not.
True.
I just hope we win so it is ok to point out the bad calls.
I like that the announcers were not shy about pointing out the bad calls. I also liked it when they gave the refs credit for getting a call right instinctually (is that a word?) like the ball off Starks foot.
Its amazing how bad college refs are. It's like every possession they referee is the first possession they ever refereed. There was an exchange in the first half where Jamil drove baseline in the same manner on 2 straight possession. 25 pushed him the same way on both possessions. One was a foul, one wasn't. It's just one example. Not an incredibly significant one. Just an example of how the officials have no idea what is a violation and what is not in the ordinary course of business.
I did not think this was a very well officiated game. But I also realize that 99.9% of the time, the game is decided by the players and coaches.
Let's say you think Marquette got totally jobbed tonight. Well, they overcame adversity and won anyway. Which is what a good team does. Maybe this is a sign Marquette can be good!
Winners win. Whiners whine about the officiating.
No complaining about refs win or lose. Climb the next mountain.
Ok Chicos.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 20, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
No complaining about refs win or lose. Climb the next mountain.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 20, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
No. all missed calls even out over the course of the game. calls at the end are the same.
I think you forgot the teal.
Quote from: Gato78 on January 20, 2014, 10:26:55 PM
It all evens out. F that BS Chicos.
LOL. Go to the G'Town board right now and they are complaining about calls as well. That's exactly the point, calls happen throughout a game and impact the game throughout.
Double dribble call at the end not called, benefited us. The walking non call, benefited them. But in typical fandom, folks only notice the calls that impact their team, not the other team....human nature and how fans see only what impacts them, not the other stuff. Not surprising, we all think the world is out to get us in sporting events. A missed call or two in the first half benefits us...nah, we ignore it and don't care about as if it didn't happen (G'Town fans look at it quite differently). Second half, only those calls matter. LOL. Fandom is a funny thing.
I have a great book for you to read that takes out the biases and illustrates it very well. Heck, I'll even buy you the book Gato. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
But in typical fandom, folks only notice the calls that impact their team, not the other team....human nature and how fans see only what impacts them, not the other stuff. Not surprising, we all think the world is out to get us in sporting events.
Guess the commentators were MU fans then.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
Guess the commentators were MU fans then.
Yeah, every call they said the refs missed except the Jamil double dribble benefitted the Hoyas. Must be Warrior fans. LOL
Goaltend. Euro-travel. Pivot-foot travel. Shotclock whistle and going possession arrow to gtown when mu had secured it.
The make-up over the back call was nice though.
All things were not equal.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
LOL. Go to the G'Town board right now and they are complaining about calls as well. That's exactly the point, calls happen throughout a game and impact the game throughout.
Double dribble call at the end not called, benefited us. The walking non call, benefited them. But in typical fandom, folks only notice the calls that impact their team, not the other team....human nature and how fans see only what impacts them, not the other stuff. Not surprising, we all think the world is out to get us in sporting events. A missed call or two in the first half benefits us...nah, we ignore it and don't care about as if it didn't happen (G'Town fans look at it quite differently). Second half, only those calls matter. LOL. Fandom is a funny thing.
I have a great book for you to read that takes out the biases and illustrates it very well. Heck, I'll even buy you the book Gato. ;)
Just went to Hoyas talk. Went through the entire 18 page thread. Only one comment to the refs sucking, that was when they benefitted greatly from the non-over the back call/35 second violation/jump ball. They thought it was hilarious how badly refs could screw that up.
Before that 3 comments about how great these refs were for letting them play and not calling falls on Georgetown. One person though a foul happened and wasn't called early in the game. ...Correction...two people though there was an uncalled foul in the first half. One of the times the individual was corrected, saying it was all ball (paraphrase).
None of them commented on the double dribble (why, because I didn't think it was a double dribble either and they didn't see the double dribble).
So they actually had 0 problem with the officiating, which means that the game was tilted heavily in their favor, as usually there are a few plays you think went against your team and people then comment on them. To have no calls they thought went against them is quite telling.
Your assumption that we are unable to examine a game and evaluate officiating because we are fans is laughable. This was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen, because it was no where near balancing out to even. Didn't matter, the guys stepped up in the end anyway and pulled it out.
Quote from: forgetful on January 21, 2014, 12:56:26 AM
Just went to Hoyas talk. Went through the entire 18 page thread. Only one comment to the refs sucking, that was when they benefitted greatly from the non-over the back call/35 second violation/jump ball. They thought it was hilarious how badly refs could screw that up.
Before that 3 comments about how great these refs were for letting them play and not calling falls on Georgetown. One person though a foul happened and wasn't called early in the game. ...Correction...two people though there was an uncalled foul in the first half. One of the times the individual was corrected, saying it was all ball (paraphrase).
None of them commented on the double dribble (why, because I didn't think it was a double dribble either and they didn't see the double dribble).
So they actually had 0 problem with the officiating, which means that the game was tilted heavily in their favor, as usually there are a few plays you think went against your team and people then comment on them. To have no calls they thought went against them is quite telling.
Your assumption that we are unable to examine a game and evaluate officiating because we are fans is laughable. This was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen, because it was no where near balancing out to even. Didn't matter, the guys stepped up in the end anyway and pulled it out.
You must be on the Georgetown site populated by Maryland, Syracuse and Marquette fans. LOL- hope there's no need for teal.
I think you can complain about the refs in every Big East game I have watched (not just MU games). Are these the best refs The New BE could get? It is also nauseating to hear these goofy announcers praise the refs when replays show them missing several calls per game (e.g. Butler game).
Refs let us play a little bit, which helps us. Missed calls both ways. For a road game, we've got nothing to complain about.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 21, 2014, 05:37:09 AM
Refs let us play a little bit, which helps us. Missed calls both ways. For a road game, we've got nothing to complain about.
But Chicos said essentially the same thing. It can't be right.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
Wilson got away with a double dribble so probably not.
I am not sure that was a double dribble. Wilson tried to pick up the ball but lost it. Basically, he never had control of it, so it was not a double dribble. Blowing the whistle, because the ref thought the ball missed the rim with 28 seconds to go just before Taylor got his hands on the rebound should of cost us the game, but the Georgetown player subsequently missed the front end of one & one and then we were fouled on the rebound.
Quote from: bilsu on January 21, 2014, 06:26:02 AM
...because the ref thought the ball missed the rim with 28 seconds to go just before Taylor got his hands on the rebound should of cost us the game, but the Georgetown player subsequently missed the front end of one & one and then we were fouled on the rebound.
Agree 100%. A bad call that went against us (if we just played on like we should have we would have had the ball) that actually was instrumental in us winning the game. Without that call, we don't get fouled and get the two points with almost no time running off the clock.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
I have a great book for you to read that takes out the biases and illustrates it very well. Heck, I'll even buy you the book Gato. ;)
You read a book on biases of officiating? Good grief.
Chicos, did you read that book? I honestly did not. Wertheim isn't very good as a writer and every article they have in there has been proven or debunked by the hundreds of sports stats websites out there. I remember reading an excerpt from the book however on home field advantage. I think there basic argument was all home field advantage was due to BIASED officiating to the home team. I couldn't find the excerpt I read (it was probably in the Sports Illustrated article), but here is a review of the book with their thoughts on the BIASED officiating: http://blog.philbirnbaum.com/2011/01/scorecasting-is-home-field-advantage.html
I'm not sure what your original argument was, but this book sided with BIASED officiating as an advantage for the home team. Could you imagine the officials changing the shot clock violating play last night against Georgetown? How about when UConn had the basket taken away in OT last year against us? I don't mind (as much) all of the calls against us on the road, as long as we get them at home. It's a part of the game.