The Sixers D-League team the 87ers signed Vander. Good news for his chance in the NBA. Since I'm a Sixers fan I follow them closely and all signs point to them liking his potential and work ethic back when he played for the 76ers in the preseason.
If he performs well for a while I think there's a decent chance the Sixers dump one of Elliot Williams and Lorenzo Brown so Blue could get a shot. Might be a better situation than Israel after all.
Good to hear. Hope he makes it.
87ers? Really? That just sounds silly.
Is this move at all related to his DNPs and departure from the Israeli team? As in, did Philly reach out to him and his foreign team to bring him back?
Quote from: chapman on January 13, 2014, 02:46:21 PM
87ers? Really? That just sounds silly.
The Constitutional Convention ya'll!
I thought .. Vander was making close to 6 figures/more .. in Israel, plus room & board, and perhaps zero tax. In the D-League, players make south of $40k ..
I'd think this is a big hit to his pocket-book.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 13, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
I thought .. Vander was making close to 6 figures/more .. in Israel, plus room & board, and perhaps zero tax. In the D-League, players make south of $40k ..
I'd think this is a big hit to his pocket-book.
Big hit, yes. But I'd have to think it gets him closer to the NBA.
Quote from: chapman on January 13, 2014, 02:46:21 PM
87ers? Really? That just sounds silly.
Might as well be the 69ers, hey?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 13, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
I thought .. Vander was making close to 6 figures/more .. in Israel, plus room & board, and perhaps zero tax. In the D-League, players make south of $40k ..
I'd think this is a big hit to his pocket-book.
But I thought he was cut from his team in Israel? If so, it's $0 vs $40k - a nice raise.....
Is this team a salute to the Magic, Miracles and True Believers; the 1987 Milwaukee "Team Streak" Brewers?
I hope he doesn't ask for Juan Nieves' number, that best be retired.
He should wear #39 in honor of Molly.
I'm pretty sure Vander was just waived in Israel and the Sixers wanted to bring him in to play in Delaware. No sign that he was coerced to come back (as you guys mentioned with the difference in salary). A lot of shifting in their roster so might as well keep him close to see how he plays. I gave the rock eyebrow when seeing the 87ers team name too.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 13, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Might as well be the 69ers, hey?
Hopefully Vander got some action on that court over in Tel Aviv
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 13, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
Big hit, yes. But I'd have to think it gets him closer to the NBA.
I think so.
Even if it's a cup of coffee, minutes in the League is, in a way, auditioning for other teams who are looking at next season's rosters to be filled by cheap pickups.
Quote from: The Lens on January 13, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
Is this team a salute to the Magic, Miracles and True Believers; the 1987 Milwaukee "Team Streak" Brewers?
No. No, it's not.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 13, 2014, 02:36:40 PM
The Sixers D-League team the 87ers signed Vander. Good news for his chance in the NBA. Since I'm a Sixers fan I follow them closely and all signs point to them liking his potential and work ethic back when he played for the 76ers in the preseason.
If he performs well for a while I think there's a decent chance the Sixers dump one of Elliot Williams and Lorenzo Brown so Blue could get a shot. Might be a better situation than Israel after all.
There is NO REASON they should have cut him in the first place! Clowns....then they brought back guys when he left no better then he was.
He should have been on that opening day roster. Good for him. Keep working Van!
Quote from: The Lens on January 13, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
Is this team a salute to the Magic, Miracles and True Believers; the 1987 Milwaukee "Team Streak" Brewers?
I hope he doesn't ask for Juan Nieves' number, that best be retired.
He should wear #39 in honor of Molly.
Nieves should be in the HoF!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 13, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
I thought .. Vander was making close to 6 figures/more .. in Israel, plus room & board, and perhaps zero tax. In the D-League, players make south of $40k ..
I'd think this is a big hit to his pocket-book.
I mean, he's making 40K a year to play his favorite sport. I don't pity him one bit. You can definitely make a living off of that, as many families that live in the USA know. I have no pity towards him.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 15, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
I mean, he's making 40K a year to play his favorite sport. I don't pity him one bit. You can definitely make a living off of that, as many families that live in the USA know. I have no pity towards him.
but isn't that $40K is before taxes ?
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 15, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
but isn't that $40K is before taxes ?
The true value of Vander's scholarship (when you include tuition, books, tutors, food, housing, training facilities, coaching, etc) is more than $40K, so the NDBL is a pay cut. Basically, the upside is he doesn't have to go to class. I'm guessing he was never planning on using his degree or education from Marquette for any real purpose other than basketball, so you can't say he made a bad decision, but it seems to me his quality of life/fun factor would be better playing ball in front of packed houses on national TV for one more year rather than slogging it out in front of nobody in Des Moines or wherever. Not to mention that a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life, so a college degree would be helpful in coaching or something down the line. But to each his own. I hope it all works out for him. Best bet now is probably a lengthy career in Europe.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 15, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
The true value of Vander's scholarship (when you include tuition, books, tutors, food, housing, training facilities, coaching, etc) is more than $40K, so the NDBL is a pay cut. Basically, the upside is he doesn't have to go to class. I'm guessing he was never planning on using his degree or education from Marquette for any real purpose other than basketball, so you can't say he made a bad decision, but it seems to me his quality of life/fun factor would be better playing ball in front of packed houses on national TV for one more year rather than slogging it out in front of nobody in Des Moines or wherever. Not to mention that a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life, so a college degree would be helpful in coaching or something down the line. But to each his own. I hope it all works out for him. Best bet now is probably a lengthy career in Europe.
Well, you're right that most guys don't make enough money to set themselves up for life. But it's because they don't have the knowledge to save it. If Vander made the NBA for a number of years he could more or less set himself up for life in that span if he were smart about it.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 15, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Well, you're right that most guys don't make enough money to set themselves up for life. But it's because they don't have the knowledge to save it. If Vander made the NBA for a number of years he could more or less set himself up for life in that span if he were smart about it.
+1. No more chains and birthday events at the club.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 15, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
The true value of Vander's scholarship (when you include tuition, books, tutors, food, housing, training facilities, coaching, etc) is more than $40K, so the NDBL is a pay cut. Basically, the upside is he doesn't have to go to class. I'm guessing he was never planning on using his degree or education from Marquette for any real purpose other than basketball, so you can't say he made a bad decision, but it seems to me his quality of life/fun factor would be better playing ball in front of packed houses on national TV for one more year rather than slogging it out in front of nobody in Des Moines or wherever. Not to mention that a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life, so a college degree would be helpful in coaching or something down the line. But to each his own. I hope it all works out for him. Best bet now is probably a lengthy career in Europe.
How much of that scholarship money could Van spend on whatever he desired?
Would you rather do what you love for free on national television or do what you love quietly but get paid for it?
Spending a season at the end of an NBA bench would be worth $500k in salary. How long would it take a normal working person to earn a total of $500k after college? Probably 8-12 years depending on their degree, maybe longer in some cases. It's certainly not "set for life" money but I'd have taken $250k in the bank in my mid-20's if it meant leaving school without graduating and missing out on some "fun."
Also, he can always go back and finish his degree. After 3 years in school, he can't be all that far from it.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2014, 12:48:46 PM
How much of that scholarship money could Van spend on whatever he desired?
How long would it take a normal working person to earn a total of $500k after college? Probably 8-12 years depending on their degree, maybe longer in some cases.
You don't have a ton of discretionary income at $40K/year. I think freedom (not having to go to class) is the biggest benefit by far that he got by leaving school.
Since he's not on the end of an NBA bench, your second point is moot. It boils down to whether leaving a year early increased his chances of getting that NBA money in the future balanced against whatever future earnings/opportunites he may get by having a degree. I readily admit I have no idea which path would have maximized his chance at the NBA (nor does anyone else), but I do know that going back to finish your college degree 10-15 years from now or whatever would be a lot harder than doing it now.
Again, I'm not saying he made a bad decision because how would I know? Just saying how I'd feel about it. I'd want to maximize my options and it seems to me playing in packed houses and on national TV would be a lot of fun. I understand that he looks at it differently and I wish him the best.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 15, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
You don't have a ton of discretionary income at $40K/year. I think freedom (not having to go to class) is the biggest benefit by far that he got by leaving school.
Since he's not on the end of an NBA bench, your second point is moot. It boils down to whether leaving a year early increased his chances of getting that NBA money in the future balanced against whatever future earnings/opportunites he may get by having a degree. I readily admit I have no idea which path would have maximized his chance at the NBA (nor does anyone else), but I do know that going back to finish your college degree 10-15 years from now or whatever would be a lot harder than doing it now.
Again, I'm not saying he made a bad decision because how would I know? Just saying how I'd feel about it. I'd want to maximize my options and it seems to me playing in packed houses and on national TV would be a lot of fun. I understand that he looks at it differently and I wish him the best.
I guarantee he has more discretionary income than he had the last 3 years, and possibly more than at any point in his life.
My second point was in response to you saying "a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life." Being the 12th man is a pretty good gig. Milwaukee's own Mike Wilks, for example, bounced around the NBA for parts of 7 seasons, started just 7 of the 233 games that he played in and made over $5M by age 30. I understand that he's more the exception than the rule but there are quite few examples out there of borderline NBA players who've made large sums of money.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2014, 03:26:43 PM
I guarantee he has more discretionary income than he had the last 3 years, and possibly more than at any point in his life.
My second point was in response to you saying "a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life."
Yeah, you're right, I kinda switched lanes there didn't I?
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 15, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
The true value of Vander's scholarship (when you include tuition, books, tutors, food, housing, training facilities, coaching, etc) is more than $40K, so the NDBL is a pay cut. Basically, the upside is he doesn't have to go to class. I'm guessing he was never planning on using his degree or education from Marquette for any real purpose other than basketball, so you can't say he made a bad decision, but it seems to me his quality of life/fun factor would be better playing ball in front of packed houses on national TV for one more year rather than slogging it out in front of nobody in Des Moines or wherever. Not to mention that a guy like him may make the NBA, but is never going to make enough money at it (being the 12th to 15th man on an NBA roster for short years) to set himself up for life, so a college degree would be helpful in coaching or something down the line. But to each his own. I hope it all works out for him. Best bet now is probably a lengthy career in Europe.
Let's just stop right there.
No $ ever went into his pocket as a player. So he's $40k richer.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 15, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Let's just stop right there.
No $ ever went into his pocket as a player. So he's $40k richer.
Not to mention that Vander placed the value of a Marquette education at about $0.
i understand travis diener finished/graduated from school or at least stayed for four years, but he made approx.
$6 million from 2005-2010 and has been playing in italy the last three years and i don't know what his salary is there
Lots of pasta
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 17, 2014, 03:23:03 PM
Lots of pasta
Or bottles of olive oil and cans of sardines.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 17, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Or bottles of olive oil and cans of sardines.
Or Vespa scooters.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 17, 2014, 03:15:13 PM
i understand travis diener finished/graduated from school or at least stayed for four years, but he made approx.
$6 million from 2005-2010 and has been playing in italy the last three years and i don't know what his salary is there
Travis turned down the chance to be the Bucks third PG because he was tired of sitting. He plays on Sardinia, not too far from Rome. He gets paid well, although not NBA dollars, but he plays.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 15, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
The true value of Vander's scholarship (when you include tuition, books, tutors, food, housing, training facilities, coaching, etc) is more than $40K, so the NDBL is a pay cut.
Then tax it. That will change the tune at the NCAA really quick!
It is payment for services. In my book, as well as the that of the tax code and Generally Accepted Accounting Principles ("GAAP"), a payment for services is income and should be taxed at the effective rate.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 15, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
If Vander made the NBA for a number of years he could more or less set himself up for life in that span if he were smart about it.
C'mon, we're talking Vander Blue here!