Would it be smart to sit J. Wilson and have him come off the bench? I know Buzz did this with Crowder during his junior year to help him avoid foul trouble. In addition, Crowder said it made him hungry and more focused, because he wanted to be a starter.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 10, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
Would it be smart to sit J. Wilson and have him come off the bench? I know Buzz did this with Crowder during his junior year to help him avoid foul trouble. In addition, Crowder said it made him hungry and more focused, because he wanted to be a starter.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Install a blow torch under his butt.
I'm not for sure Wilson gets angry.
It's not about lineups it's about who's working hard in practice.
People can disagree with me, however, just like Buzz does not play guys becuase they are not practicing hard enough he should use the same criteria for heart and intelligence. If you cant bring heart and intelligence then maybe a player should just sit. Otherwise, just like effort it creates a culture of it being acceptable.
Jamil may be the biggest enigma at Mu since Bernard Toone, but at least BT got it it and brought it his senior year. I see no sense of urgency. Flying at shooters like a grade schooler created 5 on 4 opportunities even when he was in there. Probably the most disappointing Senior year both physically and mentally I have seen in a long long long time.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 01:03:04 PM
I'm not for sure Wilson gets angry.
Besides after he fouls out, he has more time to dance. #SOFT
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 01:03:04 PM
I'm not for sure Wilson gets angry.
I think this is the issue. Crowder made this leap his senior year because there was no way in hell he wasn't going to start or that he was going to have his minutes lowered for something he could control. Jamil doesn't have that same fire, or another year of eligibility.
I had a real hope for him when the 2nd half came and after sitting because of fouls, he would have had an offensive chip on his shoulder. Unfortunately very unproductive night for him...
Even when Jamil was in high school, he had a reputation has being a bright player, a good teammate, and lacking fire. He doesn't seem to realize that the best way for this team to succeed is for him to be 'the man'.
Jamil Wilson has let his team-mates down in a significant way.
Whether his skill set is good, super, or great, as a senior he has a responsibility to his team-mates to lead and at least be consistent in playing to his mental and physical skill level.
Unfortunately, it would seem that this year, like the previous two, will me marked by inconsistent play at both ends of the court.
Oh, what could of been ... but, let's yet hope will be.
Let's not overreact. He had a bad game, that's all. He is still our second leading scorer and has been brilliant at times this year. Yes, he is talented, but I think sometimes vastly overstate his ability and assume that he is lazy or doesn't care.
He is the most talented player on the team. Ultimately, this team goes as far as he takes it. Which means he has to step up. Can't foul out of a tight conference road game against a good team after playing only 12 minutes. That is something Chris Grimm could do, but that is all MU needed from Chris Grimm. Jamil is still doing the same silly things that got Crowder benched during his junior year and got Jamil benched last year. Unfortunately, this team needs him too much to simply sit him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
He is the most talented player on the team. Ultimately, this team goes as far as he takes it. Which means he has to step up. Can't foul out of a tight conference road game against a good team after playing only 12 minutes. That is something Chris Grimm could do, but that is all MU needed from Chris Grimm. Jamil is still doing the same silly things that got Crowder benched during his junior year and got Jamil benched last year. Unfortunately, this team needs him too much to simply sit him.
Not sure about most talented--he is the most inconsistent and is foul prone.
Quote from: INDYWarrior on January 10, 2014, 01:34:36 PM
I had a real hope for him when the 2nd half came and after sitting because of fouls, he would have had an offensive chip on his shoulder. Unfortunately very unproductive night for him...
Sad thing is you would expect that, yet he was even worse!
Jamil is a role player. The problem is we dont have a superstar or at least a go to player. Burton CAN be that guy if Buzz unleash him. JJJ TOO
Let's not throw Jamil under the bus. He had a bad game. He is our defensive glue and we sorely missed him when he got in foul trouble. Just did not look like he had it last night.
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Buzz should play him the whole 40 min. Main goal is to attack offensively (shoot first mentality). If he doesn't, he's on the bench. A passive Jamil is a no good for this team.
No, we will need Jamil come tournament time -- conference tournament time, that is.
Quote from: Rudy on January 10, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
Let's not throw Jamil under the bus. He had a bad game. He is our defensive glue and we sorely missed him when he got in foul trouble. Just did not look like he had it last night.
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Speaking of buses , Jamil is one of those guys who look good walking off the bus and in warm ups. He shows his skills enough to
Tantalize , but at the end of the day, he is simply
Not consistent and unreliable down the stretch.
I honestly think Jamil coming off the bench wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He always seems to get a foul before the first media timeout. Sit him just to keep him out of early foul trouble. The longer he is in, the more consistent he will be able to become
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on January 10, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
Buzz should play him the whole 40 min. Main goal is to attack offensively (shoot first mentality). If he doesn't, he's on the bench. A passive Jamil is a no good for this team.
Can't play 40 if you foul out in 12
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:25:12 PM
Jamil is a role player. The problem is we dont have a superstar or at least a go to player. Burton CAN be that guy if Buzz unleash him. JJJ TOO
I thought that you said JJJ has told Buzz he's transferring, so why unleash him?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
I honestly think Jamil coming off the bench wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He always seems to get a foul before the first media timeout. Sit him just to keep him out of early foul trouble. The longer he is in, the more consistent he will be able to become
If "the longer he is in, the more consistent he will become" is accurate, then why wouldn't you start him? Little bit of lost logic there, methinks.
Quote from: frozena pizza on January 10, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
Let's not overreact. He had a bad game, that's all. He is still our second leading scorer and has been brilliant at times this year. Yes, he is talented, but I think sometimes vastly overstate his ability and assume that he is lazy or doesn't care.
+1
Almost every player has a bad game. also, some of his fouls were what I call victim fouls. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe starting him at small forward was a mistake, he just seemed out of sync there.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Even when Jamil was in high school, he had a reputation has being a bright player, a good teammate, and lacking fire. He doesn't seem to realize that the best way for this team to succeed is for him to be 'the man'.
I think this is spot on. I remember when he sat out his transfer year and hearing of how great he was in HS in Racine. Then how great he was gonna be for MU. I think based on everything we've seen at this point in his career we can expect the following:
1. He's not going to be the leader of this team that is sorely needed. He's just not. We all want him to be but it's just not gonna happen. It just isn't.
2. He's gonna have games like @XU where he's just completely out of it. It's gonna happen. Some games it will happen for a half, other games it will be like we just saw vs XU.
3. He's gonna have some spectacular games where he truly looks like an NBA low first rounder. This is the guy and game we want to see day in and day out, but see #2.
4. He's gonna be down and out in some games and then in the last 3 minutes he will inexplicable catch fire and knock down two or three contested 3-pt shots getting us ever so close and giving us a glimmer of hope that we can pull it out. Unfortunately we likely won't in most cases and he likely wouldn't even be (or want to be) the guy to take the potential gaming winning shot.
This is who he is and what we've seen over the past 3 years.
Only Jamil knows how and why he's this type of player.
Does he simply know that he's got the talent and body type that makes him a shoe-in for a shot at the NBA therefore he doesn't try?
Is he lazy?
Is it a lack of confidence?
Is it something else? (Fill in your own speculations here)
Someone who's been in and around this program as much as he has should have naturally grabbed the leader torch this year but it's just not going to happen and we're gonna see a lot more of points #1 to #4 no matter how much we all want it to be different.
I hope I'm completely wrong and he turns it all around, but I just don't see it happening based on what I've seen in the past years with him.
I say the opposite. Like he did with Jake last game, play JW with 2 fouls in the first half. Don't even take him out. Make him responsible to use his fouls intelligently. You get to use 3 fouls per game... the other 2 are gonna get called on you for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If Jim Burr is officiating, you get to use 2, the other 3 come from him. Either way, he needs to learn to manage this himself.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 10, 2014, 07:49:45 PM
If "the longer he is in, the more consistent he will become" is accurate, then why wouldn't you start him? Little bit of lost logic there, methinks.
You sit him until the first timeout so he doesn't pick up his daily dumb foul in the first four minutes. Then you play him for the entire rest of the game. That's what I'm envisioning
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 11, 2014, 02:33:20 AM
You sit him until the first timeout so he doesn't pick up his daily dumb foul in the first four minutes. Then you play him for the entire rest of the game. That's what I'm envisioning
OK, I see what you are saying--assuming he only has 1 dumb foul.