So much for that theory. If he can't have his way with the DePaul defense, he isn't the answer.
Meanwhile, Jake played most of the first half and did nothing
Two TOs and one foul in the first two minutes of the second half for new point guard Jamil. Ugghhh.
And Jake passing up wide-open threes. Wonderful.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 04, 2014, 02:17:47 PM
Two TOs and one foul in the first two minutes of the second half for new point guard Jamil. Ugghhh.
And Jake passing up wide-open threes. Wonderful.
Red light, green light?
And Jake finally hits...with assists from DERRICK!
Quote from: elephantraker on January 04, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
Red light, green light?
They said that is the deal in the radio brodcast...no paint touch can't take outside shot!
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 04, 2014, 02:02:54 PM
So much for that theory. If he can't have his way with the DePaul defense, he isn't the answer.
Meanwhile, Jake played most of the first half and did nothing
Solution has been Mayo-for-Thomas (http://latenighthoops.com/marquettes-shots-arent-adding/#.UshxpvRDuz4).
Derrick to Todd for 3!
What happened to all the Mayo haters?
Quote from: mugrack on January 04, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
What happened to all the Mayo haters?
As I said on the game thread, people on this board (including myself) redirect their hate towards who ever isn't playing well in today's particular game. Last game it was mostly Todd and Juan for me.
Time to start some combination of 3 guards (where was JJJ today) and Jamil and CO. Twin towers doesn't work well, either.
Quote from: newsdrms on January 04, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
They said that is the deal in the radio brodcast...no paint touch can't take outside shot!
This can't be serious. This isn't some middle school team. Your only 3 point threat should be shooting whenever he's comfortable and in rhythm, not worrying about if there was a paint touch yet.
Has buzz verified this rule?
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 04, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
This can't be serious. This isn't some middle school team. Your only 3 point threat should be shooting whenever he's comfortable and in rhythm, not worrying about if there was a paint touch yet.
Has buzz verified this rule?
Buzz said in the creighton post game that he pulled Juan early when he took an outside side before there was a paint touch
Quote from: melissasmooth on January 04, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Buzz said in the creighton post game that he pulled Juan early when he took an outside side before there was a paint touch
I would REALLY hope this rule doesn't apply to Jake.
Jake can't create his own shot. His #1 concern should be getting in rhythm to shoot a three, not worrying about if there's been a paint touch.
The starting lineup was awful. 2 best players out of position...DG creating from outside the 3 point line and Wilson at pg.
What did we have out of Jake/Derrick: 67 minutes and 8 points? Jamil Wilson with 6 TO's and several stupid fouls. Thank God that Ox carried the team today. Where will we get scoring next year--from De. Wilson?
I agree with tower...start mayo over Juan (go 3 guards). Hopefully he can add some offensive punch early on.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 04, 2014, 03:03:51 PM
As I said on the game thread, people on this board (including myself) redirect their hate towards who ever isn't playing well in today's particular game. Last game it was mostly Todd and Juan for me.
Diogenes! I found one. I found one!
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 04, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
I would REALLY hope this rule doesn't apply to Jake.
Jake can't create his own shot. His #1 concern should be getting in rhythm to shoot a three, not worrying about if there's been a paint touch.
Buzz would point out the difference between the team's 3 point shooting %'s with and without paint touch first as his justification.
I believe that even when Lazar and Jae were trailing on the break and taking threes in transition, they were getting the ball passed to them from the paint.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 04, 2014, 07:47:48 PM
Buzz would point out the difference between the team's 3 point shooting %'s with and without paint touch first as his justification.
I believe that even when Lazar and Jae were trailing on the break and taking threes in transition, they were getting the ball passed to them from the paint.
No they were most often from the pg who was also outside the arc.
I dunno; I like JW at point. Thought that the feeds to DG when he was posting low (and not further out as most of the game) were coming from JW. I don't think JW should be full time at the point, but should be doing it 15-20 minutes a game.
Many of Davante's points came from getting the ball 10-15 feet from the basket and being allowed to back down a single defender. Thanks, DePaul.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2014, 09:40:07 PM
I dunno; I like JW at point. Thought that the feeds to DG when he was posting low (and not further out as most of the game) were coming from JW. I don't think JW should be full time at the point, but should be doing it 15-20 minutes a game.
Those assists were from JW...but while DW was playing the point. DW was bringing the ball up court, starting the offense, rotating it to JW, who then got it into Davante. This did not happen at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when JW was running the point.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 04, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Those assists were from JW...but while DW was playing the point. DW was bringing the ball up court, starting the offense, rotating it to JW, who then got it into Davante. This did not happen at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when JW was running the point.
OK, then why hasn't DW been able to make those entry feeds? (And I'm not a hater) I'd like to see more of the offense run through JW even if DW is the nominal PG. JW and DG running the high-low is good stuff.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 04, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Those assists were from JW...but while DW was playing the point. DW was bringing the ball up court, starting the offense, rotating it to JW, who then got it into Davante. This did not happen at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when JW was running the point.
Get off his jock already geez...Derrick this and Derrick that, he didn't have the assist but passed it to the player who got the assist...oh and he brought the ball up lol. Look I get you like him but c'mon.
The solution is to give Deonte and JJJ more minutes.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
Get off his jock already geez...Derrick this and Derrick that, he didn't have the assist but passed it to the player who got the assist...oh and he brought the ball up lol. Look I get you like him but c'mon.
Because pointing out how the plays occurs means anything? That's how the plays developed. Facts not fitting into your narrative
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 04, 2014, 10:55:39 PM
Because pointing out how the plays occurs means anything? That's how the plays developed. Facts not fitting into your narrative
You are really reaching for any positives you can find huh? Good for you ;)
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
You are really reaching for any positives you can find huh? Good for you ;)
Not reaching for anything. Just merely pointing out your total lack of reading comprehension. The post didn't make any judgements or opinions about any players. He literally just stated exactly how the plays happened.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
You are really reaching for any positives you can find huh? Good for you ;)
Check out the +/- numbers in the other thread. Or just keep ignoring the facts. Your choice.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
Get off his jock already geez...Derrick this and Derrick that, he didn't have the assist but passed it to the player who got the assist...oh and he brought the ball up lol. Look I get you like him but c'mon.
Who got the three assists on the only 3s we hit in the game - two by Jake and one by Todd - both times where the shooters got the ball in perfect shooting rhythm? Answer - Derrick.
But I suppose setting up our best outside shooters for wide open threes had NOTHING to do with opening up the paint for the inside-outside game for JW and DG, right?
Derrick's strength is penetrating, and he is getting better at spotting the perimeter guys on those drives. And when a shooter isn't open, he can get it out to someone like Jamil, who did a fabulous job of getting it back in to Davante.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:39:12 AM
Derrick's strength is penetrating, and he is getting better at spotting the perimeter guys on those drives. And when a shooter isn't open, he can get it out to someone like Jamil, who did a fabulous job of getting it back in to Davante.
Derrick Wilson faced a defense that did not sag on him, which gave him room to penetrate. Given that advantage, he managed 2 points and 3 assists, all of which were to three point shooters. Two of the 3 assists were him simply swinging the ball around on a perimeter to perimeter pass with Jake coming off screens, hardly much of an accomplishment. The other was the result of him turning down an open 5 footer on a pass from Gardner to pass to Mayo for a three. He actually had some bad luck in the assist department yesterday, as he hit the low post a few times where our interior guys did not convert.
Look, Derrick HAS to play. We don't have anyone else. He had a nice plus/minus today. He is not a facilitator, he is not a scorer and most of the time (against a sagging defense) he is not a penetrator. He is a solid ball handler who plays an extremely conservative game so he doesn't turn the ball over. Sometimes, like yesterday, that is what we need. Often we'll need more.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:39:12 AM
Who got the three assists on the only 3s we hit in the game - two by Jake and one by Todd - both times where the shooters got the ball in perfect shooting rhythm? Answer - Derrick.
But I suppose setting up our best outside shooters for wide open threes had NOTHING to do with opening up the paint for the inside-outside game for JW and DG, right?
Derrick's strength is penetrating, and he is getting better at spotting the perimeter guys on those drives. And when a shooter isn't open, he can get it out to someone like Jamil, who did a fabulous job of getting it back in to Davante.
You're right Wilson is an offensive maestro lol....give me a break. His strength is penetrating? Really? Since when? Pretty sure he is known as a non penetrator whose offensive game revolves around swinging passes around the perimeter and missing free throws. You are probably so excited that he's here next year to lead us to the NIT for the 2nd consecutive year. You are right though...Jamil did an excellent job finding Davante down low yesterday and it was refreshing to see someone with a little court vision out there.