Losing out on all these recruits has got to be frustrating, meanwhile pitino lands recruits without visits. If any upper echelon offers him a job he'll be gone....which will be a shame.
Wow, late late show starting...now...
Welcome to last Spring.
Pitno lands recruits without visits...meaning the players believe in him? Crean doesn't have quite the reputation to walk into any program and pull that off. There are very little coaches that can.
Crean isn't going anywhere. Especially with a contract that last until 2016-2017.
The program has grown by leaps and bounds since he arrived and it will continue to do so while he's here. Just because a few recruits picked other quality programs over our own doesn't mean he is going to jump ship.
I agree, Crean is not going anywhere.
If his teams play poorly over the next couple of seasons (not likely) it's not like he's going to entertain other $1.6M salaries anywhere else...I don't see a guy like TC quitting basketball and moving to Cancun any time soon.
He only leaves if it's a massive NCAA violation and MU is forced to fire him or he gets an offer he can't refuse from a school (he highly covets) willing to fork over some cash to buy out his contract (anyone know his buyout clause?).
Uh oh. Here comes another thread for people to whine and moan about Crean.
This is a fair question, though. In years past, many of us were worried about Crean leaving for a bigger program (Kentucky, Florida). However, I don't think he has much of a chance at any of these schools until he starts making strides in the tourney. He's not going anywhere unless 1) MU bombs miserably this season or 2) MU does very well in the tourney in the next 2 or 3 seasons and KU, FL, etc start looking at him with enough seriousness to see him at their helms.
Because mu has no a/d who is going to push crean out from mu's side? that process is taking forever and who knows how much longer that will take. if/when he does leave it might have to be on his own for a "better" oppurtunity such as FL or UK etc because there still might not be an a/d in place
I predict that TC's next move will be the NBA------has to be getting fed up with recruiting. I think he would be a better NBA coach than Div 1-----has a very good sense of matchups and that's what the NBA game is all about.
Crean is not NBA material. Holy cripes...I cannot imagine an NBA team that would hire him.
I'm pretty sure I get dumber every time I click on a "Crean to..." thread or a "How much longer do we have to deal with Crean?" thread.
Why do I keep clicking? ???
Ding ding, notkirk .. we are dumber for having clicked into this.
It's a fact of life. Every March there will be some top 20 team that needs a new coach. And every March, Crean will be in the mix, begetting the penis measuring contest of school X to MU.
Talking about this in October = crazy
QuoteWhy do I keep clicking?
I click on it because if i dont it keeps telling me theres new posts and it drives me nuts haha
Wallbanger----why do you say "TC isn't NBA materail"? do you deny that the NBA game is all about matchups? Don't you think that TC is good on matchups? ,Don't you think TC dos a good job of game prep which is very important in the NBA as well?
Furthermore the NBA is one place where he could make more money than at MU!
Matchups, game prep, and motivation are all TC strengths-----and all are even more important coaching attributes in the NBA than in Div 1.
why would Crean? He is in the cat bird's seat. 1st round flameouts and three poor recruiting classes in a row yet not a hint of pressure. He goes to a bigger program and he is in the hot seat right when the floor falls out from under him in two years when MU is greatly out talented in the BE.
Quote from: Harrison on October 22, 2007, 06:59:42 PM
why would Crean? He is in the cat bird's seat. 1st round flameouts and three poor recruiting classes in a row yet not a hint of pressure. He goes to a bigger program and he is in the hot seat right when the floor falls out from under him in two years when MU is greatly out talented in the BE.
MU won't be out talented in 2 years. Breathe ;)
Quote from: lovebaroney on October 22, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Losing out on all these recruits has got to be frustrating, meanwhile pitino lands recruits without visits. If any upper echelon offers him a job he'll be gone....which will be a shame.
When TC has the post season resume Pitino has then he will get recruits. Pitino has proven himself a winner, like him or not. TC has had very limited post season success compared to
pitino.
Quote from: 79Warrior on October 22, 2007, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: lovebaroney on October 22, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Losing out on all these recruits has got to be frustrating, meanwhile pitino lands recruits without visits. If any upper echelon offers him a job he'll be gone....which will be a shame.
When TC has the post season resume Pitino has then he will get recruits. Pitino has proven himself a winner, like him or not. TC has had very limited post season success compared to
pitino.
Agreed. Of course in the first 9 years of Pitino's career he went to the NCAAs twice including a FINAL Four. He went to the NIT twice also.
Crean's first eight years he had 4 NCAAs including a Final Four and three NITs.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out moving forward...Pitino is 55 years old while Crean is 41 I believe. Both got their first head coaching jobs around the same age.
in the mirror for the reasons to leave. Coaches, fairly or unfairly, are judged by their won-loss record and success in the post season.
He's not going anywhere on his own volition. He has a sweetheart deal at MU and frankly hasn't done enough to this point to warrant an elite job.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 22, 2007, 07:47:51 PM
in the mirror for the reasons to leave. Coaches, fairly or unfairly, are judged by their won-loss record and success in the post season.
He's not going anywhere on his own volition. He has a sweetheart deal at MU and frankly hasn't done enough to this point to warrant an elite job.
I'm sure when he receives accreditation from you and PRN he will feel as though he has made it.
I think the only reason Crean leaves is if he feels he can recruit better else where. This would mean moving up to a higher profile program. My question is how many higher profile programs are there?
These programs I believe are at a higher profile that will not have vacancies anytime soon.
UCLA
Kentucky
North Carolina
Ohio St.
Louisville
Florida
Syracuse
Kansas
Georgetown
Texas
Michigan
USC
Wisconsin
Illinois
These programs will have vacancies sooner
Indiana
Connecticut (may have been promised to assistant)
Arizona (Kevin O Neal?)
Possibly Michigan ST. (only if Izzo goes pro or dies)
Maryland
Duke (Crean would have no chance at this, but could result in another job opening)
Basically that leaves Maryland or Indiana. I have no idea if Maryland would be interested in Crean. If Indiana got rid of Sampson, I could see them being very interested in Crean's good reputation.
There are additional schools that would be a lateral move, but why would he do that? Only if he felt unwelcome here like Tubby did at Kentucky.
IMO, there is only one job Crean leaves for, and that is MSU, though I think Duane Stephens probably gets it when Izzo leaves.
Reasons: He can't get the level of control somewhere else that he has at MU. Joanie does not want to uproot the family. He has built something good at MU and that matters to him. The admin showed him loyalty long before they had to. As crazy as our fans our, ones at other schools are worse. He became hooked on MU as a youth, at about the same time I did, for the same reasons. Al, those crazy uniforms, little school beating big schools. He has a deep, talented team, and good recruits coming in. He wants to prove he can win a championship here. There aren't that many gigs out there significantly better than the one he has. Finally, unless he starts winning some tournament games, bigger, badder schools aren't going to be all that interested.
hmmm... can we just leave this pinned to the top of the board so that everyone can see we have had this conversation already??? although im not sure i want to see this convo everytime i log on...
Crean, if he really wanted, could have had jobs already. Illinois? Kentucky? He'll be around a while...his best element he left MSU with was recruiting, we need to start to see that now....example the blue chip or 5 star or mcdonalds caliber players...
Quote from: lovebaroney on October 22, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Losing out on all these recruits has got to be frustrating, meanwhile pitino lands recruits without visits. If any upper echelon offers him a job he'll be gone....which will be a shame.
Good thing Crean didn't leave! He would have never got Tyshawn Taylor! ;D
to bad the yankees are going to hire Girardi, I would have hired crean...haha jk
TC's rah-rah style wouldn't work in the NBA, Murff. The players make too much money to respond to it. If you don't believe me, check out Pitino's NBA coaching resume.
Quote from: ecompt on October 30, 2007, 10:03:39 AM
TC's rah-rah style wouldn't work in the NBA, Murff. The players make too much money to respond to it. If you don't believe me, check out Pitino's NBA coaching resume.
Oh John Calipari or Mike Montgomery or Tim Floyd or Lon Kruger or Leonard Hamilton or Jerry Tarkanian or ...
ecompt----i didn't say TC would succeed in the NBA (may or may not)------i said it may be his next move. But let me add this-----as one gets older he's less "rah rah" as energy diminishes.
I'm not sure that Crean's approach wouldn't work in the NBA----as in anything else-----it would be the quality of the "rah rah" that would be decisive! You might remember George Allen with the Redskins----very "rah rah" but yet very successful!
No, you said that Crean would be more successful in the NBA than in college ball. Since most of us here believe that Crean is a successful college coach we take your statement to mean he will be even more successful in the NBA.
You are just so full of crap that it's painful.
Besides Arkansas and IL, do we know for sure that Crean was either offered or the #1 candidate for any other jobs at any point during the search? That is not to say that he made himself a candidate, just that the university put him #1 on their list.
Previous posters keep mentioning FL and UK having been possibilities for him. There is no evidence to support this. I don't believe there is any evidence to support Indiana or Ohio St as I have heard in the past either. For recruiting purposes, it is annoying that his name is floated out there every spring, but also annoying is people assuming he could have just about any D1 job when available.
His name is floated because Crean floats it! Also, Crean was NOT offered the Illinois job. I have it on very good authority that after he met with them they decided to go another direction.
The idea that Crean hasn't expressed interested in other jobs is absurd. He practically hangs a "head coach" available sign outside his door every March.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on October 31, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
His name is floated because Crean floats it! Also, Crean was NOT offered the Illinois job. I have it on very good authority that after he met with them they decided to go another direction.
The idea that Crean hasn't expressed interested in other jobs is absurd. He practically hangs a "head coach" available sign outside his door every March.
whether he floats his name, or has someone do it for him (ala Rick Majerus), I agree. few are the coaches w/ the balls to say "I'm home here, I'm staying here, please don't contact me". (as did Bruce Pearl at Tenn last year).
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on October 31, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
His name is floated because Crean floats it! Also, Crean was NOT offered the Illinois job. I have it on very good authority that after he met with them they decided to go another direction.
The idea that Crean hasn't expressed interested in other jobs is absurd. He practically hangs a "head coach" available sign outside his door every March.
See, this is hard to understand your logic.
You say that you have it on good authority that Crean wasn't offered the Illinois job. I'll take you at your word. (you could be right, I don't really know).
BUT,
Why do you find it so hard to believe people who are close to the program when they say that Crean doesn't float his own name out there, and that he is very happy at MU?
We are just supposed to take your word on the Illinois information, but you refuse to believe what anybody else says about Crean.
Why should I believe you and dismiss others?
Your logic is is often weak, misguided, and full of bias. You've already said that you dislike Crean and don't want him at MU.
He wasn't offered b/c his demands bordered on obnoxious (he has a GREAT deal here).
He floats his name out mostly to inflate his own brand value. It helps everyone, MU included, if TC is thought to be a candidate for UK (teams can't negative recruit on this anymore b/c he's been here 8+ seasons now).
He ain't going anywhere...but he will float that name forever. Dude knows what he's doing when it comes to marketing.
verify that Crean was never offered the Illinois job. My source is a former NBA assistant GM.
I heard he was interested in the Ohio State job by two sources, one within the MU program and Jim Tressel.
This post seemed most negative. Even the topic was a negative one, and then the bantering between the posters. Pretty lame if you ask me.
Why do people insist on carrying on with this topic and keeping this at the top of the message board? Crean isn't going anywhere, and that's been shown by the fact that he has never left and he has no reason to leave now. Let's "kill" this issue and focus on another season of Marquette basketball!!
PS: I know by making this post I "bumped" it to the top again, but it was already up there and I wanted to add my two cents.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on November 01, 2007, 08:58:53 AM
Why do people insist on carrying on with this topic and keeping this at the top of the message board? Crean isn't going anywhere, and that's been shown by the fact that he has never left and he has no reason to leave now. Let's "kill" this issue and focus on another season of Marquette basketball!!
PS: I know by making this post I "bumped" it to the top again, but it was already up there and I wanted to add my two cents.
Exactly Avenue. It seems some people here would rather see Marquette fail with Crean than succeed with him; just so they can say "I told you so." It is ridiculous and obnoxious.