From The Quon right now. Very impressed with Henry. Twice took the rock coast to coast and scored. Tough, quick kid. Would love to see him in a Warrior uni.
Stone, not as basketball savvy. Slower to move up and down the court. IMHO, still raw, but with great potential. Ellenson is more ready right now.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 06:20:45 PM
From The Quon right now. Very impressed with Henry. Twice took the rock coast to coast and scored. Tough, quick kid. Would love to see him in a Warrior uni.
Stone, not as basketball savvy. Slower to move up and down the court. IMHO, still raw, but with great potential. Ellenson is more ready right now.
OK, we don't need Stone so let's move on.
Hate to say it, but Ellenson looks to be the prototypical Bo big man. Can shoot the three and is constantly movin'.
Stone is physically wider and could double his rebound total if he would follow the ball and crash the boards. Could see the "L" word bein' applied to his play. Like I said, a lotta untapped potential. Could be a beast with proper coachin' and motivation.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
Hate to say it, but Ellenson looks to be the prototypical Bo big man. Can shoot the three and is constantly movin'.
Stone is physically wider and could double his rebound total if he would follow the ball and crash the boards. Could see the "L" word bein' applied to his play. Like I said, a lotta untapped potential. Could be a beast with proper coachin' and motivation.
He plays like a lesbian?
Stone fouls out. Out of position frequently and doesn't move his feet on defense. Ellenson beat him on the bounce at will.
Gotta say after watchin' these cats head to head, I'm down with Henry. He's perfect for Buzz' offense. Would be a big like we haven't had in eons. Not a traditional back to the basket dude, but yet traditional. Like his basketball IQ. Sic'em Buzz.
Dominican is poorly coached.Really sad.Diamond would do himself a favor and play for a good coach his senior year.
BeeJay, where you at homie? You need to chime in on this puppy.
Ellenson is the son of Ellenson that committed to Marquette and then backed out to go to UW-madison, correct?
Is he even interested at Marquette?
John Ellenson was recruited by Majerus.When Rick left Dukiet came in.Ellenson did not like him and transferred to Wisconsin.Look for Henry to go to Wisconsin or Minnesota.
I missed the game but saw some highlights. Both seem to have their own skill sets but Stone still looks strong inside and plenty quick in the post. More mobile than either of our current bigs with some good moves on offense. Ellensen looked very impressive too but I don't think he will end up here.
Ellenson senior played at MU.
Quote from: tower912 on December 27, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Ellenson senior played at MU.
Yup, for about a year and a half or so. He transferred when I was a student to UW-madison.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
Yup, for about a year and a half or so. He transferred when I was a student to UW-madison.
Badger scum.
Good stuff, 4ever. Agree completely on Stone across the board. Nice to hear the comments on Henry.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 27, 2013, 07:37:47 PM
John Ellenson was recruited by Majerus.When Rick left Dukiet came in.Ellenson did not like him and transferred to Wisconsin.Look for Henry to go to Wisconsin or Minnesota.
How hard are we pursuing Ellenson?
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/henry-ellenson-and-rice-lake-topple-diamond-stone-and-dominican-b99172987z1-237777531.html?ipad=y
Stone would start from day 1 at Marquette despite some not being as impressed with him last night.
Quote from: TedBaxter on December 28, 2013, 07:32:23 AM
Stone would start from day 1 at Marquette despite some not being as impressed with him last night.
I read this and said to myself, B.S. - Buzz will never start him unless he deserves it. Then I saw it was from you Ted, so it must have merit. I hope he comes here, and I hope you are right (And I hope he earns it)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
Hate to say it, but Ellenson looks to be the prototypical Bo big man. Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
Gotta say after watchin' these cats head to head, I'm down with Henry. He's perfect for Buzz' offense.
Do Buzz and Bo run similar systems??
A little unfair to compare these two. Henry is essentially a switchable who plays smaller and quicker than his size. He spends most of his time on the wing, outside of the 3 circle.
Diamond is a low post player.
To me it seems that Diamond has taken several steps back each year. I don't know if it is the coaching, but it was obvious that he can get away with things (late weak side rotation to block a shot) simply because of the quality of the opponents in D4. He looked terribly slow last night and out of position. His post moves are very quick and smooth. However, I have yet to see DS run.....a jog seems to fit him better.
BTW, BO sitting in front row directly behind Rice Lake bench. 2 guys wearing big MU sweatshirts sitting directly behind WFB DOM bench. When they took a TO, it was cool to see.
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 28, 2013, 06:54:18 AM
How hard are we pursuing Ellenson?
Check with Buzz. He is the man.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
Stone fouls out. Out of position frequently and doesn't move his feet on defense. Ellenson beat him on the bounce at will.
Gotta say after watchin' these cats head to head, I'm down with Henry. He's perfect for Buzz' offense. Would be a big like we haven't had in eons. Not a traditional back to the basket dude, but yet traditional. Like his basketball IQ. Sic'em Buzz.
Nice, lets scare our top recruit away from the school before he even gets here.
Im cool about criticizing player that are already here, but lets not scare away a 5 star center.
Too many sugar coated donuts, KW. Next time I'll check with you before posting truthful, valid observations. BTW, how many of your students are bein' held back this year 'cause they're underachievin'? Just as I thought. Let's just keep makin' excuses. Yep, everyone has an equal vote, a'ina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 28, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
Too many sugar coated donuts, KW. Next time I'll check with you before posting truthful, valid observations. BTW, how many of your students are bein' held back this year 'cause they're underacheivin'? Just as I thought. Let's just keep makin' excuses. Yep, everyone has an equal vote, a'ina?
WTF are you talking about?
stone listed at 6-10, 240, scout grade-96 and 5th ranked. ellenson listed at 6-9, 250, scout grade 84, 49th ranked. but i'd say stone has the higher probability to put the pounds on. i'd be following him around the dinner table as he has the potential to become gardener-esk. agree ellenson is a typical bo ryan player. i'd like them both if we can fir them under the salary cap
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 28, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
Too many sugar coated donuts, KW. Next time I'll check with you before posting truthful, valid observations. BTW, how many of your students are bein' held back this year 'cause they're underachievin'? Just as I thought. Let's just keep makin' excuses. Yep, everyone has an equal vote, a'ina?
the decline and fall of the scoop...just sayin
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 28, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
Nice, lets scare our top recruit away from the school before he even gets here.
Im cool about criticizing player that are already here, but lets not scare away a 5 star center.
If a young man is scared away this easily, he isn't tough enough to be a Big East big man anyway.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 07:17:37 PM
BeeJay, where you at homie? You need to chime in on this puppy.
Been praising him for years.
Can be a helluva lot better than his "rankings".
Some Ellenson articles (http://latenighthoops.com/tag/henry-ellenson/)
QuoteTWIN CITIES & SURROUNDING AREA TALENT
Henry Ellenson (Rice Lake, WI)
6'9", 250 | Rice Lake HS | Class of 2015
October 2012 Notes
You may hear Ellenson called a center by some, but that's selling him short. Physically he looks the part and he can certainly battle on the blocks, but his skill and athletic ability sets him far apart from other kids his size.
Henry is an excellent shooter with plenty of range well past the three-point line, but has also worked on developing his game on the blocks. Over the next few years he should be able to continue adding to his arsenal of offensive weapons, which is a scary thought for teams trying to defend him.
His strength and quickness are not areas of concern, but there is opportunity for him to be elite if these areas progress nicely over the next few years. In college, there is no reason Ellenson can't be a 3/4 switchable type who can score at multiple levels and defend multiple positions.
Now, at this point in time you wouldn't have him dribbling the ball all the way up the court on a 3-on-1 fast break, but there's not a lot I'd give him a red light on doing.
At a minimum, he's a very good college prospect. With hard work, I can see Henry winding up as a top 10 player in the 2015 class.
Other potential factors such as good coaches, supportive family and older brothers who also play basketball (the oldest brother, Wally, is a freshman at Minnesota and will be able to share his D1 experience and Henry's father played college ball for Marquette and Wisconsin) all seem to favor the likelihood of success for Henry Ellenson. He's legit and the sky is the limit.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
Stone fouls out. Out of position frequently and doesn't move his feet on defense. Ellenson beat him on the bounce at will.
Gotta say after watchin' these cats head to head, I'm down with Henry. He's perfect for Buzz' offense. Would be a big like we haven't had in eons. Not a traditional back to the basket dude, but yet traditional. Like his basketball IQ. Sic'em Buzz.
Proves what I've always said. Those hacks at Duke, North Carolina, duke, UCLA, Georgetown, Arizona, Connecticut, Michigan State, etc. are idiots and wouldn't know a good player if they saw one.
It's one thing to praise Ellenson who could be a good player, but, c'mon, really???
4everwarriors is not a talent scout, that's for sure. Stevie Wonder could attend a Dominican game and see the talent in Diamond.
Quote from: TedBaxter on December 28, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
4everwarriors is not a talent scout, that's for sure. Stevie Wonder could attend a Dominican game and see the talent in Diamond.
Have seen stone play several times, haven't seen ellenson but it sounds like they are completely different players. Why not get both let them compliment each other.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 28, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
Too many sugar coated donuts, KW. Next time I'll check with you before posting truthful, valid observations. BTW, how many of your students are bein' held back this year 'cause they're underachievin'? Just as I thought. Let's just keep makin' excuses. Yep, everyone has an equal vote, a'ina?
Not sure that equates to anything I just said but to be honest quite a few of the students on my caseload are behind on credits. That's why I have to adjust the IEP several times a year to make sure they are in classes the can succeed in. On a positive note I have 4 extraordinary students that are special Ed and 3.0 students in mainstream classes. One of whom who has done so well that she was the first student at my HS to have her special Ed services discontinued.
But FYI. Diamond sounds like he reads everything like most 16 year olds do and I would not put it past anyone to write off a school cause their fan base does not stroke their egos. Lets at least wait until he chosen a different school to bash him; you know the badger way! Also never questioned your scouting abilities just said that you should not trash a possible recruits
And yes I as most people do love sugar donuts but I have a pre diabetic condition that has put the kabosh on sugar donuts.
Quote from: TedBaxter on December 28, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
4everwarriors is not a talent scout, that's for sure. Stevie Wonder could attend a Dominican game and see the talent in Diamond.
Lots of guys have talent, lots of "talent evaluators" miss on talented guys...Roseboro, Mbao, etc just in our own program recently.
Maymon had talent, but that doesn't mean you get all the talent that is there.
Plenty of blue blood programs have missed on talent over the years as well. Usually not because the kids aren't talented, but they don't bring the ethic to maximize (or they do something really stupid off the court to negate it all).
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 28, 2013, 11:18:34 AM
Have seen stone play several times, haven't seen ellenson but it sounds like they are completely different players. Why not get both let them compliment each other.
Marquette is recruiting both with that exact thinking in mind.
i don't believe you can compare the two. they are two different types of player/positions at this point. ellenson seems to be a little more developed at his position/shooting foward, but stone, with the right attitude, coaching, etc could very well develop into something special. as many will say, it's hard to evaluate heart.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 28, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
Check with Buzz. He is the man.
On the ESPN page it says he has offers from a bunch of schools absent among those is Wisconsin. I have no idea how up to date or how accurate that information is, can anyone give a little more color as to his recruiting? I know it is a little early for him to get serious, he is a Jr (2015) correct?
Quote from: john31 on December 28, 2013, 12:16:45 PM
On the ESPN page it says he has offers from a bunch of schools absent among those is Wisconsin. I have no idea how up to date or how accurate that information is, can anyone give a little more color as to his recruiting? I know it is a little early for him to get serious, he is a Jr (2015) correct?
He has an offer from both.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 28, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
Lots of guys have talent, lots of "talent evaluators" miss on talented guys...Roseboro, Mbao, etc just in our own program recently.
Maymon had talent, but that doesn't mean you get all the talent that is there.
Plenty of blue blood programs have missed on talent over the years as well. Usually not because the kids aren't talented, but they don't bring the ethic to maximize (or they do something really stupid off the court to negate it all).
Comparing guys recruited as total projects (Mbao and Roseboro) or even a guy like Maymon with Diamond Stone (at worst top 10 in his class) is silly.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 28, 2013, 11:48:37 AM
Not sure that equates to anything I just said but to be honest quite a few of the students on my caseload are behind on credits. That's why I have to adjust the IEP several times a year to make sure they are in classes the can succeed in. On a positive note I have 4 extraordinary students that are special Ed and 3.0 students in mainstream classes. One of whom who has done so well that she was the first student at my HS to have her special Ed services discontinued.
But FYI. Diamond sounds like he reads everything like most 16 year olds do and I would not put it past anyone to write off a school cause their fan base does not stroke their egos. Lets at least wait until he chosen a different school to bash him; you know the badger way! Also never questioned your scouting abilities just said that you should not trash a possible recruits
And yes I as most people do love sugar donuts but I have a pre diabetic condition that has put the kabosh on sugar donuts.
Go grain free, partner.
Quote from: TedBaxter on December 28, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
4everwarriors is not a talent scout, that's for sure. Stevie Wonder could attend a Dominican game and see the talent in Diamond.
You read all of my critique, right? Never said the kid doesn't have talent. Sure didn't bring it last night. I stand by my opinions. Gotta be sure he's OKG. Some like chicken. Some like feathers.
Quote from: john31 on December 28, 2013, 12:16:45 PM
On the ESPN page it says he has offers from a bunch of schools absent among those is Wisconsin. I have no idea how up to date or how accurate that information is, can anyone give a little more color as to his recruiting? I know it is a little early for him to get serious, he is a Jr (2015) correct?
Yes - a 2015. WI has offered.. just looking at ESPN now.. some others not on there include.. I4, Michigan State, Purdue, Creighton, Oregon...
UNC and others have watched... IIRC correctly, Georgetown was first, with Iowa State and Marquette there early as well (i.e.,.. I think that was spring of 2012).
Buzz and many others have visited Rice Lake and the MU staff have taken in a lot of his games.
His 16U teammate this past summer, Marshawn Wilson, is worth a look also. 15U teammate two summers ago and D1 Minnesota standout Amir Coffey (2016) also is a stud.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
Yes - a 2015. WI has offered.. just looking at ESPN now.. some others not on there include.. I4, Michigan State, Purdue, Creighton, Oregon...
UNC and others have watched... IIRC correctly, Georgetown was first, with Iowa State and Marquette there early as well (i.e.,.. I think that was spring of 2012).
Buzz and many others have visited Rice Lake and the MU staff have taken in a lot of his games.
His 16U teammate this past summer, Marshawn Wilson, is worth a look also. 15U teammate two summers ago and D1 Minnesota standout Amir Coffey (2016) also is a stud.
Any idea what he's thinking? Does Minnesota have an advantage because of his brother? Does Wisconsin have an advantage because of his dad?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 28, 2013, 12:52:57 PM
You read all of my critique, right? Never said the kid doesn't have talent. Sure didn't bring it last night. I stand by my opinions. Gotta be sure he's OKG. Some like chicken. Some like feathers.
I don't like your posts because they bring in too much negativity (L=Lazy?) and these kids read the boards. Stone's change in body the last two years shows that he's done a lot of work away from games.
Per Mark Miller's twitter, Neenah beat Rice Lake and Ellenson had 34 points and 14 rebounds. Very, very good player and I'm not denying that he had a better game last night. Diamond Stone with 16 points and 6 dunks in the first half tonight.
The kid who MU fans might want to follow is 6-10 Neenah junior Matt Heldt from Neenah. He had 25 points and 8 rebounds against Rice Lake todayu and is a kid who's still developing physically. Very good friend of Noskowiak and Buzz was watching closely yesterday.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 28, 2013, 12:29:29 PM
Comparing guys recruited as total projects (Mbao and Roseboro) or even a guy like Maymon with Diamond Stone (at worst top 10 in his class) is silly.
Point is that in a day and age with limited scholarships, offering them to "total projects" doesn't really happen that much anymore. Can't afford to do it.
The other point I was trying to make is services can be wrong and coaches can be as well. Some kids just don't develop in college, don't have the work ethic, or whatever.
Trust me, I'm not saying anything negative about this kid. Who knows how he will do. However, the same is true that there are no guarantees he will be great either. You just never know.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1612144-ranking-the-10-biggest-ncaa-basketball-recruiting-busts-in-the-past-decade/page/11
Quote from: TedBaxter on December 28, 2013, 05:45:26 PM
I don't like your posts because they bring in too much negativity (L=Lazy?) and these kids read the boards. Stone's change in body the last two years shows that he's done a lot of work away from games.
Per Mark Miller's twitter, Neenah beat Rice Lake and Ellenson had 34 points and 14 rebounds. Very, very good player and I'm not denying that he had a better game last night. Diamond Stone with 16 points and 6 dunks in the first half tonight.
The kid who MU fans might want to follow is 6-10 Neenah junior Matt Heldt from Neenah. He had 25 points and 8 rebounds against Rice Lake todayu and is a kid who's still developing physically. Very good friend of Noskowiak and Buzz was watching closely yesterday.
Fair reply. Will agree on Stone's body change. Works out at Athlete Performance in The Quon and it shows. Frankly, there's enough room at MU for both Ellenson and Stone. Then look out.
Heldt may eventually be better than both.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2013, 01:01:35 PM
Any idea what he's thinking? Does Minnesota have an advantage because of his brother? Does Wisconsin have an advantage because of his dad?
From what I have seen, you have identified the two leaders for Ellenson at this point, although I'm not sure how much father and brother enter into it. I have read that Ellenson' father holds no ill will toward MU, and wouldn't urge Henry away from them due to his bad experience under Dukiet. Rice Lake is located between Minnesota and Madison (closer to Minn), so he might want to play closer to home.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 28, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
The other point I was trying to make is services can be wrong and coaches can be as well. Some kids just don't develop in college, don't have the work ethic, or whatever.
Quinn Buckner was the perfect example of this - he was basically the same player as a junior in high school as he was in the pros - obviously more refined but his game was no different. He was the same bad shooter in the NBA that he was in high school. But in high school, he controlled everything - in college still pretty good, and just another guy in the NBA.
Quote from: MU82 on December 27, 2013, 06:36:33 PM
He plays like a lesbian?
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzgt2tke511qjtesgo1_500.gif)
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 28, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
Rice Lake is located between Minnesota and Madison (closer to Minn), so he might want to play closer to home.
Rice lake is about an hour directly north of Eau Claire, about 1.5 hours NE of The Cities.
That is a long ways from Madison.
Quote from: brandx on December 28, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
Quinn Buckner was the perfect example of this - he was basically the same player as a junior in high school as he was in the pros - obviously more refined but his game was no different. He was the same bad shooter in the NBA that he was in high school. But in high school, he controlled everything - in college still pretty good, and just another guy in the NBA.
Quinn Buckner was better than "pretty good" at Indiana.
Ellenson is more advanced than Stone. More basketball skills.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 28, 2013, 12:29:29 PM
Comparing guys recruited as total projects (Mbao and Roseboro) or even a guy like Maymon with Diamond Stone (at worst top 10 in his class) is silly.
Not as silly as digging back in a players history to find an unfavorable ranking and completely ignoring more recent (and more favorable) rankings.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 29, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
Ellenson is more advanced than Stone. More basketball skills.
I don't think that that was the conclusion when they both tried out for USA basketball. Didn't Stone make the team and start while Ellenson missed the cutoff?
Quote from: brandx on December 28, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
Quinn Buckner in college still pretty good
Quite an understatement, brand. He was the leader of the last Div I team to go undefeated. And he played for The General.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 29, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
Ellenson is more advanced than Stone. More basketball skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8OwSQ-sNCI
I'd take either player in a New York minute.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2013, 06:20:45 PM
From The Quon right now. Very impressed with Henry. Twice took the rock coast to coast and scored. Tough, quick kid. Would love to see him in a Warrior uni.
Stone, not as basketball savvy. Slower to move up and down the court. IMHO, still raw, but with great potential. Ellenson is more ready right now.
Are you saying ...
Ellenson =Steve Novak
Stone = Lloyd Moore
Sayin' Henry is more like Maurice. And, Diamond is a better and bigger Robert with potential to be more Jimmy like.
Both would fit in nicely as a 4 and 5.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 29, 2013, 01:16:53 PM
Not as silly as digging back in a players history to find an unfavorable ranking and completely ignoring more recent (and more favorable) rankings.
Digging back in a player's history? LOL. Where JFB, Crowder, Buycks, DJO, Vander, Jamil, Junior, Wesley, etc., etc., etc. went to high school and where they were ranked out of high school has been discussed on multiple occasions by multiple posters on Scoop. As for Jimmy and Jae, Buzz has brought it up on multiple occasions too. Be outraged on their behalf while they nod their heads in agreement and laugh about how far they've come.
Quote from: keefe on December 30, 2013, 01:39:32 AM
Quite an understatement, brand. He was the leader of the last Div I team to go undefeated. And he played for The General.
And I believe that Knight called him his favorite player. And he wasn't a slouch in the NBA. 10 year career and solid defender.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2013, 08:40:21 AM
Digging back in a player's history? LOL. Where JFB, Crowder, Buycks, DJO, Vander, Jamil, Junior, Wesley, etc., etc., etc. went to high school and where they were ranked out of high school has been discussed on multiple occasions by multiple posters on Scoop. As for Jimmy and Jae, Buzz has brought it up on multiple occasions too. Be outraged on their behalf while they nod their heads in agreement and laugh about how far they've come.
Find me just one post where someone mentioned Wes Matthews' sophomore year HS ranking and ignored his senior year ranking and I'll concede the point.
Until then, its silly to ignore more recent results in favor of older, invalid data.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 30, 2013, 08:49:35 AM
Find me just one post where someone mentioned Wes Matthews' sophomore year HS ranking and ignored his senior year ranking and I'll concede the point.
Until then, its silly to ignore more recent results in favor of older, invalid data.
I didn't ignore them. In fact, I conceded multiple times that Jimmy was one year removed from his HS RSCI and Jae was two years removed from his when they arrived at Marquette. I guess that means that after Vander's freshman year and Wesley's sophomore year at MU their high school rankings were invalid and couldn't be mentioned without insulting them.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2013, 10:42:20 AM
I didn't ignore them. In fact, I conceded multiple times that Jimmy was one year removed from his HS RSCI and Jae was two years removed from his when they arrived at Marquette. I guess that means that after Vander's freshman year and Wesley's sophomore year at MU their high school rankings were invalid and couldn't be mentioned without insulting them.
You're STILL ignoring them! "One year removed?" "Two years removed?" THAT's really all you can bring yourself to "concede" about Jae's and Jimmy's JUCO accomplishments? Boy, that's awfully magnanimous of you.
Do you really think the most important defining characteristic that caused Buzz to recruit Jae was that he was "two years removed from HS"? Or would you "concede" that the only reason he even got a sniff from MU was because he was in the midst of leading his his team to the NJCAA championship and with a POY performance?
Meanwhile, do I need to remind you again that
nowhere in your quote was about "the guy who turned two non top 500 HS guys into NBA draft picks. . . " did you reference their JUCO accomplishments? Back then, you didn't even bother to "concede" they were one/two years removed from HS. In other words, you ignored their JUCO accomplishments, minimizing it to the passage of time.
Only after I called you out did you bother to given them any credit at all--and just for being one or two years removed from HS.
And its funny how now all of a sudden you're claming to be offended that I don't give you credit for such "concession".
despite the petty bickering, 'Forever' makes a valid point in that it would be ideal to have them both..., kind of a Novak/Jackson redux!!
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 30, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
You're STILL ignoring them! "One year removed?" "Two years removed?" THAT's really all you can bring yourself to "concede" about Jae's and Jimmy's JUCO accomplishments? Boy, that's awfully magnanimous of you.
Do you really think the most important defining characteristic that caused Buzz to recruit Jae was that he was "two years removed from HS"? Or would you "concede" that the only reason he even got a sniff from MU was because he was in the midst of leading his his team to the NJCAA championship and with a POY performance?
Meanwhile, do I need to remind you again that nowhere in your quote was about "the guy who turned two non top 500 HS guys into NBA draft picks. . . " did you reference their JUCO accomplishments? Back then, you didn't even bother to "concede" they were one/two years removed from HS. In other words, you ignored their JUCO accomplishments, minimizing it to the passage of time.
Only after I called you out did you bother to given them any credit at all--and just for being one or two years removed from HS.
And its funny how now all of a sudden you're claming to be offended that I don't give you credit for such "concession".
Enough of this nonsense. I am not and cannot be offended by you and your moronic, incessant ramblings. Why don't you write a 50 page letter to Buzz about how mean he has been to Jimmy and Jae for bringing up their high school rankings. He'll get a good laugh out of it and so will they. In the meantime, I'll put you on ignore and you can do the same for me.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 30, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
You're STILL ignoring them! "One year removed?" "Two years removed?" THAT's really all you can bring yourself to "concede" about Jae's and Jimmy's JUCO accomplishments? Boy, that's awfully magnanimous of you.
Do you really think the most important defining characteristic that caused Buzz to recruit Jae was that he was "two years removed from HS"? Or would you "concede" that the only reason he even got a sniff from MU was because he was in the midst of leading his his team to the NJCAA championship and with a POY performance?
Meanwhile, do I need to remind you again that nowhere in your quote was about "the guy who turned two non top 500 HS guys into NBA draft picks. . . " did you reference their JUCO accomplishments? Back then, you didn't even bother to "concede" they were one/two years removed from HS. In other words, you ignored their JUCO accomplishments, minimizing it to the passage of time.
Only after I called you out did you bother to given them any credit at all--and just for being one or two years removed from HS.
And its funny how now all of a sudden you're claming to be offended that I don't give you credit for such "concession".
.
You must be insufferable to work with.
Quote from: keefe on December 30, 2013, 01:39:32 AM
Quite an understatement, brand. He was the leader of the last Div I team to go undefeated. And he played for The General.
I didn't mean to demean his play - he was very good, maybe great on defensive end and an excellent leader and very average offensively, but played with very good players. Scottie May was key on those Indy teams - as a matter of fact when he got injured the year before they went undefeated, Indy lost in the tournament despite going undefeated in the B10 winning by an average of almost 25 points a game. Having Benson helped a bit too.
My point was that Buckner was as good as any high school player I ever saw, but his game was still the same when he played in the NBA. There was no big progression that most of the top players had.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2013, 12:25:41 PM
Enough of this nonsense. I am not and cannot be offended by you and your moronic, incessant ramblings. Why don't you write a 50 page letter to Buzz about how mean he has been to Jimmy and Jae for bringing up their high school rankings. He'll get a good laugh out of it and so will they. In the meantime, I'll put you on ignore and you can do the same for me.
Buzz wasn't "mean" to Jimmy and Jae.
There's a difference between Buzz citing where they started in order to complement their development (including their JUCO accomplishments), and you ignoring their JUCO accomplishments altogether (or minimizing it as merely "years removed from HS") because you thought it sounded more impressive to say he was "the guy who coached two non-top 500 HS guys to the NBA".
The only good laugh Buzz will have is when he reads that you think he turned them from non top 500 HS kids into NBA stars wthout bothering to mention that the contributions of the players themselves or the JUCO coaches were probably more important.
Stone is visiting SMU today per Zagoria. They beat UConn, too.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/calipari-williams-watch-zimmerman-jeter-bragg-carolina-to-see-matt-ryan/
Quote from: Atticus on January 04, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Stone is visiting SMU today per Zagoria. They beat UConn, too.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/calipari-williams-watch-zimmerman-jeter-bragg-carolina-to-see-matt-ryan/
Hopefully, he doesn't come back until Wednesday.
Quote from: Atticus on January 04, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Stone is visiting SMU today per Zagoria. They beat UConn, too.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/calipari-williams-watch-zimmerman-jeter-bragg-carolina-to-see-matt-ryan/
Brown is building quite the team. I'm sure it's enticing to join some other big name players there.
Quote from: Atticus on January 04, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Stone is visiting SMU today per Zagoria. They beat UConn, too.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/calipari-williams-watch-zimmerman-jeter-bragg-carolina-to-see-matt-ryan/
Good weather. Good game in a new gym.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 04, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
Brown is building quite the team. I'm sure it's enticing to join some other big name players there.
Plus the pay is good.