AD resignation shocked Buzz Williams
Updated: December 14, 2013, 8:26 PM
MILWAUKEE -- Marquette coach Buzz Williams said Saturday he was shocked by the sudden resignation of athletic director Larry Williams.
Larry Williams ran Marquette's athletic department for two years before he stepped down on Friday to pursue leadership opportunities outside of the university. Bill Cords, who served as Marquette's athletic director from 1987 to 2006, is returning to the post until a replacement is named.
Buzz Williams says he found out about the resignation after practice on Friday.
"I'm thankful for what he has done at Marquette," Buzz Williams said. "I have great faith in (interim president) Father Robert Wild and Mr. Cords."
The men's basketball team is the marquee athletic program at Marquette, but Buzz Williams said the department is more than just his team.
"Whatever leadership trends towards, it impacts more kids than just the men's basketball kids," said Williams, who coached the Golden Eagles to an 86-50 victory over IUPUI on Saturday.
"Whoever is the next president and athletic director, I don't want to be the exclusive spokesperson for the athletic department. We have to do what's right for the institution."
School spokesman Brian Dorrington said university officials will be working over the next several weeks to set a timeline and process for hiring a new athletic director.
He said given the winning tradition for the basketball team, along with the success of the other teams at the university, there should be considerable interest in the position.
"When the time comes, we would expect there to be many high-caliber candidates," he said.
Dorrington said the athletic department is in good shape with Cords in charge.
"He built many of the athletic programs at the university," he said. "He has done great work here."
Buzz' translation="so glad the m'fer is gone."
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2013, 07:42:35 AM
Buzz' translation="so glad the m'fer is gone."
Wonder if he did his dance again.
4ever
right on!!
Bridge for sale in Arizona?
Maybe Larry thought Buzz was on an airplane or something and didn't want to wait until he landed to talk to him in case Buzz was able to change his mind, so he just went with it.
shocked...it didn't happen sooner
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
Whomever is chosen to replace Larry Williams as Athletic Director should DEFINITELY be interviewed with Buzz Williams present. The two need to have an excellent working relationship, solid communication skills and a level of trust that I feel we all thought was lacking with the Williams & Williams pairing.
I'd be shocked if Bill Cords is named the permanent replacement. I doubt it would happen, but they should go to Buzz and ask him if he wants the dual AD/HC position. He is a great representative of the university, but I am not sure he want want to extra workload on an already demanding job.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
this a thousand times
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Bridge for sale in Arizona?
I never got that reference. Arizona has plenty of man made reservoirs and natural rivers that would warrant having a bridge; albeit not a long bridge.
The London Bridge is actually in Havasau City if I recall.
Bridge for Sale in Mongolia or Kazahkstan would be more fitting as both of those are Semi arid, or Arid climates located on the Eurasian Steppe, which means their are few if any places for a bridge.
Yep - we got bridges here. ;)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 15, 2013, 08:33:38 AM
Whomever is chosen to replace Larry Williams as Athletic Director should DEFINITELY be interviewed with Buzz Williams present. The two need to have an excellent working relationship, solid communication skills and a level of trust that I feel we all thought was lacking with the Williams & Williams pairing.
I'd be shocked if Bill Cords is named the permanent replacement. I doubt it would happen, but they should go to Buzz and ask him if he wants the dual AD/HC position. He is a great representative of the university, but I am not sure he want want to extra workload on an already demanding job.
Absolutely not
The AD job is demanding enough and needs independence from the coaches. Besides, I want my basketball coach focused on basketball, not a bunch of other distractions....he has enough already. Too much for one person to do effectively. Too many conflicts of interest.
No thanks
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 15, 2013, 08:33:38 AM
Whomever is chosen to replace Larry Williams as Athletic Director should DEFINITELY be interviewed with Buzz Williams present. The two need to have an excellent working relationship, solid communication skills and a level of trust that I feel we all thought was lacking with the Williams & Williams pairing.
I'd be shocked if Bill Cords is named the permanent replacement. I doubt it would happen, but they should go to Buzz and ask him if he wants the dual AD/HC position. He is a great representative of the university, but I am not sure he want want to extra workload on an already demanding job.
Should Buzz also be present in the room when MU is interviewing for the new university president? How about for all trustees? Buzz might not like to be the "underling," but that's what he is.
It would be like a college letting a star returning player help interview prospective coaches. It might be done occasionally (but rarely) on the pro level, but it would be preposterous on the college level.
As for Buzz being coach/AD, those times have passed. Each job is far too all-encompassing now. A coach's day used to have a start and an end; now, it's practically a 24-hour profession. And a good athletic director doesn't work a 40-hour week. Even if you say Buzz could hire several associate ADs to whom he could delegate, it would be a near-impossible task.
Just hire an AD with good people skills and a proven record of working well with revenue-sport coaches.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 09:07:51 AM
Absolutely not
The AD job is demanding enough and needs independence from the coaches. Besides, I want my basketball coach focused on basketball, not a bunch of other distractions....he has enough already. Too much for one person to do effectively. Too many conflicts of interest.
No thanks
Agreed ... The AD is not merely the GM of the Basketball program. The AD has many other things to do, for the head BB coach to hire someone that caters to him, and him alone, is a big mistake.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
Head scratcher that this is even being asked still. An entire administration has been summarily wiped out only two years in. It has been "dePilarzed" completely in the MIDDLE of the school year, with many major leadership voids. The university was on the brink, people.
There is no smoke, it was a full flame out. It wasn't because Todd Mayo's suspension was one game vs. three. Or just Buzz's happy. It was about the university's happy. Follow the money. Who sits next to Bill Cords or Fr. Wild at basketball games? Who sat next to Larry or Pilarz?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 15, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
Head scratcher that this is even being asked still. An entire administration has been summarily wiped out only two years in. It has been "dePilarzed" completely in the MIDDLE of the school year, with many major leadership voids. The university was on the brink, people.
There is no smoke, it was a full flame out. It wasn't because Todd Mayo's suspension was one game vs. three. Or just Buzz's happy. It was about the university's happy. Follow the money. Who sits next to Bill Cords or Fr. Wild at basketball games? Who sat next to Larry or Pilarz?
agreed ... that is why I started the thread about "MU at a crossroads." What is happening is orders of magnitude more important than a Mayo suspension.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 15, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
Head scratcher that this is even being asked still. An entire administration has been summarily wiped out only two years in. It has been "dePilarzed" completely in the MIDDLE of the school year, with many major leadership voids. The university was on the brink, people.
There is no smoke, it was a full flame out. It wasn't because Todd Mayo's suspension was one game vs. three. Or just Buzz's happy. It was about the university's happy. Follow the money. Who sits next to Bill Cords or Fr. Wild at basketball games? Who sat next to Larry or Pilarz?
Then it sounds like due diligence and process weren't too great last time.
I expect a non Jesuit to get the President role
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 09:07:51 AM
Absolutely not
The AD job is demanding enough and needs independence from the coaches. Besides, I want my basketball coach focused on basketball, not a bunch of other distractions....he has enough already. Too much for one person to do effectively. Too many conflicts of interest.
No thanks
This. A key aspect of the AD job is to act as the boss of all the head coaches. Sometimes the interests of the University are different than those of a particular coach, and the AD is responsible for keeping everything in check.
Besides that, if Buzz were the AD as well as basketball coach, one of the jobs is going to suffer at the expense of the other. Things have changed a lot in regards to that job from when Al did it.
Virtual lock on the lay prez. Beautiful day in 90210
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2013, 09:58:19 AM
Virtual lock on the lay prez. Beautiful day in 90210
Jeff Joerres?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
Hilltopper: Whatever would make you believe that some people are "taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not"? Surely it could not be from some of the posts on this board.
I have no way of knowing, but Larry is a football guy, and it may be as simple as he is pursuing opportunities in that area or with a school that has a football program.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2013, 09:55:11 AM
This. A key aspect of the AD job is to act as the boss of all the head coaches. Sometimes the interests of the University are different than those of a particular coach, and the AD is responsible for keeping everything in check.
Besides that, if Buzz were the AD as well as basketball coach, one of the jobs is going to suffer at the expense of the other. Things have changed a lot in regards to that job from when Al did it.
i've put a considerable amount of time and research into looking at hiring practices of entities that rank out the highest in retention, production, etc. i've also worked with reputable search firms that have also assisted in the interviewing process. imho, buzz should be on the final interview team for this one. it gives the university the right to look at buzz and say "you had input, you agreed it was a good hire, now you make it work" if problems arise.
what i've never done is hire someone to oversee an employee who makes more money...so i get that buzz holds the power, but it's almost all the more reason for the university to use a consensus approach with an interview team that includes buzz. it forces buzz to get a long with the hire (sometimes i get the feeling buzz just likes a little consternation), and the university sets the details of the power the AD has over the coaches from the start of the process, and in the interviews. or just hire buzz's wife as the associate athletic director and move on.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2013, 09:58:19 AM
Virtual lock on the lay prez. Beautiful day in 90210
Yes, lay prez seems likely.
Beautiful day here in the O.C.....been standing in line since 6:00am at a Walmart (please shoot me) because they were getting shipments of PS4s today. Went in when it was dark, just came outside to lovely sunshine. Need to mow the grass. See, you guys bitching about blowing snow don't have to cut the grass year round. :P
Quote from: avid1010 on December 15, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
i've put a considerable amount of time and research into looking at hiring practices of entities that rank out the highest in retention, production, etc. i've also worked with reputable search firms that have also assisted in the interviewing process. imho, buzz should be on the final interview team for this one. it gives the university the right to look at buzz and say "you had input, you agreed it was a good hire, now you make it work" if problems arise.
what i've never done is hire someone to oversee an employee who makes more money...so i get that buzz holds the power, but it's almost all the more reason for the university to use a consensus approach with an interview team that includes buzz. it forces buzz to get a long with the hire (sometimes i get the feeling buzz just likes a little consternation), and the university sets the details of the power the AD has over the coaches from the start of the process, and in the interviews. or just hire buzz's wife as the associate athletic director and move on.
My response was to Chico's comment, which I believe was in response to making Buzz the AD, not to having him involved in the hiring decision.
They have Walmarts in th O.C.?
Quote from: avid1010 on December 15, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
i've put a considerable amount of time and research into looking at hiring practices of entities that rank out the highest in retention, production, etc. i've also worked with reputable search firms that have also assisted in the interviewing process. imho, buzz should be on the final interview team for this one. it gives the university the right to look at buzz and say "you had input, you agreed it was a good hire, now you make it work" if problems arise.
what i've never done is hire someone to oversee an employee who makes more money...so i get that buzz holds the power, but it's almost all the more reason for the university to use a consensus approach with an interview team that includes buzz. it forces buzz to get a long with the hire (sometimes i get the feeling buzz just likes a little consternation), and the university sets the details of the power the AD has over the coaches from the start of the process, and in the interviews. or just hire buzz's wife as the associate athletic director and move on.
Yes Buzz can interview at the end of the process (once the decision has largely been made) but so can the women's soccer and Men's lacrosse coaches. They will all get input at the end.
Yes Buzz will carry the most weight, but it would be a huge mistake to have Buzz "decide" who the next AD will be. If Buzz does get to decide, why not close all sports at MU except for women's basketball (title IX), it makes the job of AD much better for Buzz.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 15, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
Head scratcher that this is even being asked still. An entire administration has been summarily wiped out only two years in. It has been "dePilarzed" completely in the MIDDLE of the school year, with many major leadership voids. The university was on the brink, people.
There is no smoke, it was a full flame out. It wasn't because Todd Mayo's suspension was one game vs. three. Or just Buzz's happy. It was about the university's happy. Follow the money. Who sits next to Bill Cords or Fr. Wild at basketball games? Who sat next to Larry or Pilarz?
But, see, we all could come to all those conclusions too, with what's been "reported" on the internet.
The question is, Doctor B, do you have direct knowledge from a first hand (or even second hand) source, or are you doing what most of us are doing: reading the boards, filling in the "facts" like one uses a Ouija board?
Hilltopper
I believe Hunt mentioned in article there was tension beteen LW and Buzz. Would hope the beat writer knows something of what was going on. Give the guy credit, he broke the JT starting news.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
Yes....there was a rift, no ifs, ands, buts about it. A few examples - read the tweet Jeff Goodman (Buzz's closest confidant in the basketball writer community) sent out after the LW resignation - paraphrasing - Marquette AD Larry Williams resigns. I'm sure Buzz Williams isn't shedding a tear over this one. Secondly, Buzz's statements on Larry are about as impersonal and short as you can get - no remarks about he'll be missed...I enjoyed working with him...wish him the best in his next endeavor...sometimes it's not what's said that says more.
Lastly, though I've gotten hazed about it - Buzz sent me an e-mail response to an e-mail I wrote him, about my annoyance and how inappropriate I thought the remarks LW made to the Journal Sentinel were - which basically threw Buzz under the bus - though I did write that perhaps though said wrongly and in the wrong forum, perhaps the statement of him tying his tie too tight (working too hard) could be taken constructively to ward off possible burnout. Buzz's response was fairly cryptic - but it simply said quote- I agree with ALL you wrote. Thanks for taking the time to write and for caring.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
Yes, lay prez seems likely.
Beautiful day here in the O.C.....been standing in line since 6:00am at a Walmart (please shoot me) because they were getting shipments of PS4s today. Went in when it was dark, just came outside to lovely sunshine. Need to mow the grass. See, you guys bitching about blowing snow don't have to cut the grass year round. :P
Yesterday you said you were going to mow the lawn, falling behind schedule?
Quote from: Ners on December 15, 2013, 11:38:55 AM
Yes....there was a rift, no ifs, ands, buts about it. A few examples - read the tweet Jeff Goodman (Buzz's closest confidant in the basketball writer community) sent out after the LW resignation - paraphrasing - Marquette AD Larry Williams resigns. I'm sure Buzz Williams isn't shedding a tear over this one. Secondly, Buzz's statements on Larry are about as impersonal and short as you can get - no remarks about he'll be missed...I enjoyed working with him...wish him the best in his next endeavor...sometimes it's not what's said that says more.
Lastly, though I've gotten hazed about it - Buzz sent me an e-mail response to an e-mail I wrote him, about my annoyance and how inappropriate I thought the remarks LW made to the Journal Sentinel were - which basically threw Buzz under the bus - though I did write that perhaps though said wrongly and in the wrong forum, perhaps the statement of him tying his tie too tight (working too hard) could be taken constructively to ward off possible burnout. Buzz's response was fairly cryptic - but it simply said quote- I agree with ALL you wrote. Thanks for taking the time to write and for caring.
I understand this "does it" for you. In my opinion, that doesn't prove the narrative. A tweet by a sports opinion guy doesn't rise to the level of an actual article, vetted by actual sources and printed. For all we know, he's conjecturing as much as "we" are. Then .. Buzz's "impersonal" comments about LW are an interpretation that you've made. That could also be read that he's careful about talking about his boss, but they aren't dinner party friends.
Buzz's email back to you is indeed a first hand report, and it holds some merit, but .. he gave a short response to a complex issue to (I assume) a total stranger, albeit fan. It's not completely invalid, I agree, but I don't read it as solid evidence, where the actual words came out of his mouth "yes, LW and I do not see eye to eye, and I would rather he not be working at MU" (or some such.) I could fathom Buzz irked over the quote, but he's a well paid man who is all about character -- and likely, forgiveness. He's got bigger issues to worry about.
This isn't directed at you Ners, but to anyone who espouses this narrative. -- Can't anyone step forward and say "Yes. I have spoken to Buzz, LW, Fr. Pilarz, Mike Broeker, Craig K, a BoT member, Dick Strong, (insert big donor here) and I heard words out of their mouths: Buzz has a big issue with LW (or vice versa)/ prefers another do the job" .. ?
So far (most) of what I've heard is conjecture, with nearly zero first hand info.
I infer the same thing as Ners on what Buzz DIDN'T say.
Topper, you're right...me, Ners, et al really don't know how Buzz truly feels about LW.
Like most things in life, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
LW would still be here if Buzz was the only personality conflict he had. Less than 2 years in a position is not a lot, guys.
Topper
With all due respect, and I mean that, I do not believe most on here would be believe that someone on here spoke to the folks you mentioned. It is a very old argument and really no winner.
Time look ahead and focus on landing Diamond Stone.
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
Hilltopper
I believe Hunt mentioned in article there was tension beteen LW and Buzz. Would hope the beat writer knows something of what was going on. Give the guy credit, he broke the JT starting news.
And let's not forget this winner: http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aac.html
You've got issues when the school is pretty much forced to issue a response to confirm your coach won't be leaving to take a big step down just to get away from the AD. No way that was released based only on internet rumors, even if the MU community gets tweeked out over every little thing.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
+1000. Common sense still reigns for some.
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2013, 12:44:37 PM
Time look ahead and focus on landing Diamond Stone.
Bob Stone for AD!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
So .. curious. For all those who think Buzz is happy (or had a part in) Larry's departure because of "some rift" .. out of sheer curiosity, do you have actual knowledge of that rift? And "I know a guy who knows a guy who drives the team bus" doesn't count.
Has Buzz (or LW) ever said to anyone that there is a rift?
I take the article at its word, that Buzz was "shocked," which would tend to mean he didn't have an inkling this was going to happen, or that he'd asked/wished it to happen.
I can't rid myself of the nagging feeling the interwebs have played a massive game of telephone, taking a kernel of irritation and exploding it into something that it's not. Anyone here with actual knowledge beyond the "smoke, must be fire" theories?
Are you kidding? An entire administration was just wiped out like the Vandals sacking Rome. There is no more compelling proof that the Scott Pilarz - Larry Williams era met an ignominious end.
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Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2013, 09:09:30 AM
Should Buzz also be present in the room when MU is interviewing for the new university president? How about for all trustees? Buzz might not like to be the "underling," but that's what he is.
It would be like a college letting a star returning player help interview prospective coaches. It might be done occasionally (but rarely) on the pro level, but it would be preposterous on the college level.
As for Buzz being coach/AD, those times have passed. Each job is far too all-encompassing now. A coach's day used to have a start and an end; now, it's practically a 24-hour profession. And a good athletic director doesn't work a 40-hour week. Even if you say Buzz could hire several associate ADs to whom he could delegate, it would be a near-impossible task.
Just hire an AD with good people skills and a proven record of working well with revenue-sport coaches.
Yeah letting a former College star basketball player into a leadership position like say on a board of trustees would be absolutely insane! Good thing Doc Rivers isn't on ours...
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
But, see, we all could come to all those conclusions too, with what's been "reported" on the internet.
The question is, Doctor B, do you have direct knowledge from a first hand (or even second hand) source, or are you doing what most of us are doing: reading the boards, filling in the "facts" like one uses a Ouija board?
Listen, if you don't like what I (or any other poster) am selling, don't buy it. It is the freaking internet and I am not a professional journalist. You are the mod on this board and on Cracked Sidewalks, figure it out yourself. I put it out here in a way so not to divulge where this comes from, yet all this time later, after a complete collapse of a MU administration, you still aren't buying. Don't really care, other that I find it funny that you Doubting Thomases are incredibly still doubting.
With that, I am out.
I maintain there is a bigger question that remains...bigger than LW v BW.
What was the process used that resulted in the BOT to hire SP, and in turn, cause widespread turnover in so many key positions in such a short period of time?
I suspect that 30+ BOT's, probably based on the size check they can write, instead of their grasp on the concept of servant leadership, was in no small way, a huge contributing factor to this mess. Picking BOT's based on the size of their bank account, or public persona, and letting them have a say in decision making is a recipe for.....
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 15, 2013, 02:37:41 PM
I maintain there is a bigger question that remains...bigger than LW v BW.
What was the process used that resulted in the BOT to hire SP, and in turn, cause widespread turnover in so many key positions in such a short period of time?
I suspect that 30+ BOT's, probably based on the size check they can write, instead of their grasp on the concept of servant leadership, was in no small way, a huge contributing factor to this mess. Picking BOT's based on the size of their bank account, or public persona, and letting them have a say in decision making is a recipe for.....
Two Words: Zizzo Group
Quote from: keefe on December 15, 2013, 02:40:49 PM
Two Words: Zizzo Group
Just went to their website. What an effin headache.
People's careers were derailed based on their recommendations.
I hope the gang of 30+ get it right this time.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
I understand this "does it" for you. In my opinion, that doesn't prove the narrative. A tweet by a sports opinion guy doesn't rise to the level of an actual article, vetted by actual sources and printed. For all we know, he's conjecturing as much as "we" are. Then .. Buzz's "impersonal" comments about LW are an interpretation that you've made. That could also be read that he's careful about talking about his boss, but they aren't dinner party friends.
Buzz's email back to you is indeed a first hand report, and it holds some merit, but .. he gave a short response to a complex issue to (I assume) a total stranger, albeit fan. It's not completely invalid, I agree, but I don't read it as solid evidence, where the actual words came out of his mouth "yes, LW and I do not see eye to eye, and I would rather he not be working at MU" (or some such.) I could fathom Buzz irked over the quote, but he's a well paid man who is all about character -- and likely, forgiveness. He's got bigger issues to worry about.
This isn't directed at you Ners, but to anyone who espouses this narrative. -- Can't anyone step forward and say "Yes. I have spoken to Buzz, LW, Fr. Pilarz, Mike Broeker, Craig K, a BoT member, Dick Strong, (insert big donor here) and I heard words out of their mouths: Buzz has a big issue with LW (or vice versa)/ prefers another do the job" .. ?
So far (most) of what I've heard is conjecture, with nearly zero first hand info.
I have second hand info from someone related to a Trustee. Buzz and LW didn't really have much of a relationship and the athletic department's finances are a mess.
If you choose not to believe me, that's your issue. But how do you think a guy like Goodman gets his information and puts out there that Buzz isn't going to shed a tear over this...or whatever he said.
Topper's question is fair, based on the importance of the topic.
Your response and Doc's were well written....answered Topper's question.
Time to move on.
Let's find a leader that understands and respects MU history and servant leadership.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2013, 11:14:21 AM
They have Walmarts in th O.C.?
They do, though I actually went to one in L.A. County.
Quote from: newsdrms on December 15, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
Yesterday you said you were going to mow the lawn, falling behind schedule?
Yes, decided not to do it yesterday and took the kids to see the Hobbit instead. Long movie, but good.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 03:07:52 PM
Yes, decided not to do it yesterday and took the kids to see the Hobbit instead. Long movie, but good.
Don't forget to post what you have for dinner tonight.
Any chance Broeker gets the job? I've heard many people would not be a fan.
Larry Williams is gonna pay for that purple monkey dishwasher comment.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2013, 03:41:55 PM
Don't forget to post what you have for dinner tonight.
Sushi, most likely.
I was merely responding to a question that someone put out, the ignore button works.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 15, 2013, 09:02:48 AM
I never got that reference. Arizona has plenty of man made reservoirs and natural rivers that would warrant having a bridge; albeit not a long bridge.
The London Bridge is actually in Havasau City if I recall.
Bridge for Sale in Mongolia or Kazahkstan would be more fitting as both of those are Semi arid, or Arid climates located on the Eurasian Steppe, which means their are few if any places for a bridge.
And Havasau City is actually in Arizona if I recall correctly.
So, if I wanted to sell you London Bridge, then I'd be selling you a bridge in.....
"he stepped down on Friday to pursue leadership opportunities outside of the university."
Seriously, does anyone not know that this is the code wording for being told he could resign or be let go?
That, of course, does not mean that LW's relationship with Buzz was the reason he was asked to move on.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 05:02:21 PM
Sushi, most likely.
I was merely responding to a question that someone put out, the ignore button works.
Real sushi or like white guy sushi?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 05:40:58 PM
Korean
Machigatta nai yo!
Step up to the plate, Chico, and go to a proper Izakaya or Onomiya where you can get Kanimiso to Namako to Shiokara to Uni! Barioishii desu ne!
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 15, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
"he stepped down on Friday to pursue leadership opportunities outside of the university."
Seriously, does anyone not know that this is the code wording for being told he could resign or be let go?
That, of course, does not mean that LW's relationship with Buzz was the reason he was asked to move on.
The other possibility is that he was caught interviewing for a job elsewhere. Michigan fired Bill Frieder on the eve of the NCAA tournament beacuse he was interviewing with ASU.
Not saying I know this is what happened--just saying the wording isn't inconsistent with Larry Williams looking elsewhere and MU saying "If your'e so intereted in that job, take it."
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 15, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
Listen, if you don't like what I (or any other poster) am selling, don't buy it. It is the freaking internet and I am not a professional journalist. You are the mod on this board and on Cracked Sidewalks, figure it out yourself. I put it out here in a way so not to divulge where this comes from, yet all this time later, after a complete collapse of a MU administration, you still aren't buying. Don't really care, other that I find it funny that you Doubting Thomases are incredibly still doubting.
With that, I am out.
Hey, I apologize if you or anyone feels slighted. Let's remember where we are. The internet. If you found someone buying everything being sold, you'd think them an idiot. It's hard to wade through the various posts to determine what and who has veracity, and who is just repeating a theory so many times, they think it's fact.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 15, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
The other possibility is that he was caught interviewing for a job elsewhere. Michigan fired Bill Frieder on the eve of the NCAA tournament beacuse he was interviewing with ASU.
Not saying I know this is what happened--just saying the wording isn't inconsistent with Larry Williams looking elsewhere and MU saying "If your'e so intereted in that job, take it."
This will come as a shock to everyone on Scoop, but you have your facts wrong. Bill Frieder wasn't fired for interviewing with ASU. He actually agreed to take the job with ASU before the NCAA tourney but offered his expertise to the Wolverines through the tournament's conclusion. Not surprisingly, the powers that be at Michigan declined and Steve Fischer took the team to the title.
The idea that MU fired LW because he interviewed for a job is silly, and if he already had one it would have been announced by his people, not MU.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2013, 07:02:37 PM
This will come as a shock to everyone on Scoop, but you have your facts wrong. Bill Frieder wasn't fired for interviewing with ASU. He actually took the job with ASU before the NCAA tourney but offered his expertise to the Wolverines through the tournament's conclusion. Not surprisingly, the powers that be at Michigan declined and Steve Fischer took the team to the title.
The idea that MU fired LW because he interviewed for a job is silly, and if he already had one it would have been announced by his people, not MU.
Correct, Lenny. Frieder accepted the ASU job just before the Tournament
yet expected to continue to coach the Wolverines! The Michigan AD was none other than Bo Schembechler who adjusted Frieder;s expectations about continuing to coach the Wolverines for the remainder of that season. Here is the Free Press account of the "Michigan Man!" event:
When Bill Frieder told his boss, Bo Schembechler, on the eve of the '89 NCAA Tournament that an offer had been made for him to coach at Arizona State, and that he'd be taking the job as soon as he got done coaching the Wolverines, Schembechler blew a gasket.
Bo fired Frieder, on the spot.
"A Michigan man will coach Michigan!" Bo famously declared. And in his eyes, Bill Frieder was only partly a Michigan man, now that he'd accepted another job, effective at the end of the season.
Assistant Steve Fisher was named interim coach, for as long as U-M would last in the tourney. Michigan won the Tournament.
The "Michigan man" quote is legendary, and followed Schembechler to his death in 2006.
Hunt opinion article on LW..
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/departure-of-ad-larry-williams-might-be-best-for-marquette-b99164322z1-235958751.html
"So, it was easy to see where the Williams-Williams conflict came about. The AD was laying down arbitrary law to a successful coach who had never experienced administrative pressure to up the recruiting standards at a school where academic requirements already make it difficult to attract the bluest of chips.
Two very different personalities ignited friction. Weeks would go by without coach and AD speaking."
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 15, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
Hunt opinion article on LW..
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/departure-of-ad-larry-williams-might-be-best-for-marquette-b99164322z1-235958751.html
"So, it was easy to see where the Williams-Williams conflict came about. The AD was laying down arbitrary law to a successful coach who had never experienced administrative pressure to up the recruiting standards at a school where academic requirements already make it difficult to attract the bluest of chips.
Two very different personalities ignited friction. Weeks would go by without coach and AD speaking."
Hunt also wrote ...
At one point, Buzz Williams wanted to know what kind of basketball program Larry Williams wanted when there was little communication from either side. Did he expect really good students who were good basketball players, or generally average students who could keep Marquette at an elite level on the national scene?
At the same time, Buzz Williams was being recruited with lucrative offers by other schools. Powerful and influential Marquette boosters were concerned that Larry Williams' strict oversight of the program could drive Buzz Williams away.
Which brings us to the current situation in which Marquette has no permanent president or AD.
I read this as Pilarz and LW being shown the door because of the way they interacted with Buzz. If so, this is wrong. They were shown the door because the BoT has a different vision of the University than they were offering.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2013, 03:07:52 PM
Yes, decided not to do it yesterday and took the kids to see the Hobbit instead. Long movie, but good.
Better than Hobbit I, I trust? (I hope)
And now that Hunt brought this to the public, one can see the reason for this:
http://youtu.be/bs-o1OIqbHk
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 15, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
Yeah letting a former College star basketball player into a leadership position like say on a board of trustees would be absolutely insane! Good thing Doc Rivers isn't on ours...
By "star returning player," I meant that had Buzz left after last season, Marquette would invite Jamil Wilson or Davante Gardner into the interview process.
Which they wouldn't. Which no school would.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2013, 09:47:08 PM
By "star returning player," I meant that had Buzz left after last season, Marquette would invite Jamil Wilson or Davante Gardner into the interview process.
Which they wouldn't. Which no school would.
Ok my bad, I take back my snarkiness
Several months back, we were told that Larry Williams had all the power, along with Pilarz. A new direction was being charted. Larry had strong donors in his corner who were pushing him to rein in Buzz. That Larry was being encouraged to restrain the students and their cheers by big donors who were offended by the cheekiness of college kids. What happened? Is there a power struggle among powerful donors? Is there a power struggle on the BoT? How can we go from "Larry has all the power" to adios in such a short time? Was the previous information inaccurate? Or did the totality of the Larry Williams experience turn his former support against him?
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 07:59:10 AM
Several months back, we were told that Larry Williams had all the power, along with Pilarz. A new direction was being charted. Larry had strong donors in his corner who were pushing him to rein in Buzz. That Larry was being encouraged to restrain the students and their cheers by big donors who were offended by the cheekiness of college kids. What happened? Is there a power struggle among powerful donors? Is there a power struggle on the BoT? How can we go from "Larry has all the power" to adios in such a short time? Was the previous information inaccurate? Or did the totality of the Larry Williams experience turn his former support against him?
Nobody really has "all the power" in an organization like Marquette. Just because he had donors who wanted to shut some student chants down, doesn't mean that those same donors weren't disturbed over Buzz's unhappiness. I think Hunt did a real good job of outlining what the basic problems were. Buzz is a good guy who runs a clean program, yet that wasn't enough in the eyes of a number of people.
But the way those people went about it were wrong. They hired a president who was a poor fit from the beginning, and he hired people who were bad fits as well. I have made similar mistakes before - hiring good, competent people, but ones that don't mesh well with the culture of your organization. It simply doesn't work. That doesn't mean LW is incompetent. He accomplished a great deal at Portland. I think he's going to have a very successful career when all is said and done. He just didn't fit at Marquette. That's not entirely his fault.
I re-read the Hunt article after my last post. First of all, it had to be a blow to bucky fans and some here to have Hunt rave about how clean a program Buzz runs. Some boosters fear that MU will never win another championship because Buzz DOESN'T cheat?!?! Wow. But, yes, sultan, I guess the answer is somewhere in the 'wrong fit' category.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 07:59:10 AM
Several months back, we were told that Larry Williams had all the power, along with Pilarz. A new direction was being charted. Larry had strong donors in his corner who were pushing him to rein in Buzz. That Larry was being encouraged to restrain the students and their cheers by big donors who were offended by the cheekiness of college kids. What happened? Is there a power struggle among powerful donors? Is there a power struggle on the BoT? How can we go from "Larry has all the power" to adios in such a short time? Was the previous information inaccurate? Or did the totality of the Larry Williams experience turn his former support against him?
This
See these lines from Hunt ...
But neither the former president nor Williams may have been the right guy for where Marquette is at the moment, or where the big-money donors want it to be....
So, it was easy to see where the Williams-Williams conflict came about. The AD was laying down arbitrary law to a successful coach who had never experienced administrative pressure to up the recruiting standards at a school where academic requirements already make it difficult to attract the bluest of chips....
In fact, there are Marquette boosters who actually fear the Golden Eagles will never win another national title because Buzz Williams doesn't cheat.
Tower, this board did what it does best ... get the sotry wrong. Remember Hiroshima? (another story this board got completely wrong).
Going back to Hunt, I think these lines better describe the situation between Buzz and LW ...
Two very different personalities ignited friction. Weeks would go by without coach and AD speaking.
At one point, Buzz Williams wanted to know what kind of basketball program Larry Williams wanted when there was little communication from either side. Did he expect really good students who were good basketball players, or generally average students who could keep Marquette at an elite level on the national scene?
The last highlighted part is key.
Pilarz and LW took it amongst themselves to "rein in Buzz." Buzz was not against a controversy free program. The problem was Pilarz/LW could not define to Buzz what kind of program they wanted (one thing this board got right ... turn MU into SLU). Then came the BoT new vision and Pilarz and LW were the wrong guys.
Quote from: AZWarrior on December 15, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
Better than Hobbit I, I trust? (I hope)
Worse. Another expensive video game. The 3D experience makes you feel like you're at a Disney theme park, not in Middle Earth.
And, of course, it's entirely different from the book. Which, in my opinion, would have made for a better movie.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 16, 2013, 08:17:47 AM
At one point, Buzz Williams wanted to know what kind of basketball program Larry Williams wanted when there was little communication from either side. Did he expect really good students who were good basketball players, or generally average students who could keep Marquette at an elite level on the national scene?
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The last highlighted part is key.
Pilarz and LW took it amongst themselves to "rein in Buzz." Buzz was not against a controversy free program. The problem was Pilarz/LW could not define to Buzz what kind of program they wanted (one thing this board got right ... turn MU into SLU). Then came the BoT new vision and Pilarz and LW were the wrong guys.
Hold on...how can you say that SP/LW "could not define to Buzz what kind of program they wanted," yet in the same sentence say that this board got it right about turning MU into SLU?
My guess is that they wanted Buzz to keep winning like he had before, but they wanted less Jucos, less risks, etc. and then tied his hands through changing the housing arrangements for freshmen, etc. That's not really SLU. That's like Stanford of a decade ago. But of course Marquette isn't Stanford and Milwaukee isn't Palo Alto.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 16, 2013, 08:17:47 AM
Tower, this board did what it does best ... get the sotry wrong. Remember Hiroshima? (another story this board got completely wrong).
I think you are forgetting what Hiroshima was. Hiroshima was supposedly going to be this board's reaction to the news that MU was changing its academic requirements for continuing athletes (which they did), and apply them retroactively to current players (which I am not sure if they did or not.)
Hiroshima never happened because we get outraged over things that are not all that important like Todd Mayo's instagram account and Juan being named SOTG against IUPUI.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 16, 2013, 08:23:52 AM
Hold on...how can you say that SP/LW "could not define to Buzz what kind of program they wanted," yet in the same sentence say that this board got it right about turning MU into SLU?
My guess is that they wanted Buzz to keep winning like he had before, but they wanted less Jucos, less risks, etc. and then tied his hands through changing the housing arrangements for freshmen, etc. That's not really SLU. That's like Stanford of a decade ago. But of course Marquette isn't Stanford and Milwaukee isn't Palo Alto.
Key words ... "my guess." Hunt suggests Buzz never got this question answered and this was a source of frustration. This board
feared the answer was turning MU into SLU.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 16, 2013, 08:26:52 AM
Key words are "your guess." Hunt suggests Buzz never got this question answer and this was a source of frustration. This board feared the answer was turning MU into SLU.
But how could the board get it right about SLU if Buzz never got the answer to the question? That's illogical.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 16, 2013, 08:17:47 AM
This
See these lines from Hunt ...
But neither the former president nor Williams may have been the right guy for where Marquette is at the moment, or where the big-money donors want it to be.
...
So, it was easy to see where the Williams-Williams conflict came about. The AD was laying down arbitrary law to a successful coach who had never experienced administrative pressure to up the recruiting standards at a school where academic requirements already make it difficult to attract the bluest of chips.
...
In fact, there are Marquette boosters who actually fear the Golden Eagles will never win another national title because Buzz Williams doesn't cheat.
Tower, this board did what it does best ... get the sotry wrong. Remember Hiroshima? (another story this board got completely wrong).
Going back to Hunt, I think these lines better describe the situation between Buzz and LW ...
Two very different personalities ignited friction. Weeks would go by without coach and AD speaking.
At one point, Buzz Williams wanted to know what kind of basketball program Larry Williams wanted when there was little communication from either side. Did he expect really good students who were good basketball players, or generally average students who could keep Marquette at an elite level on the national scene?
The last highlighted part is key.
Pilarz and LW took it amongst themselves to "rein in Buzz." Buzz was not against a controversy free program. The problem was Pilarz/LW could not define to Buzz what kind of program they wanted (one thing this board got right ... turn MU into SLU). Then came the BoT new vision and Pilarz and LW were the wrong guys.
Excellent post, Walt White!
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 16, 2013, 08:28:10 AM
But how could the board get it right about SLU if Buzz never got the answer to the question? That's illogical.
Your missing the word "feared" in my post. From Hunt ...
At one point, Buzz Williams wanted to know what kind of basketball program Larry Williams wanted when there was little communication from either side. Did he expect really good students who were good basketball players, or generally average students who could keep Marquette at an elite level on the national scene?This board correctly understood that Pilzrz/LW wanted to change the program. It
feared that
meant turning MU into SLU.
Yes this question was probably never answered, and will never be answered as Pilarz and LW are gone.
Well, it's obvious that they wanted to change the program. They changed housing requirements, admittance requirements for Jucos, requirements for continuing on scholarship, etc. The board got that right two years ago, and all of that has been discussed here in the meantime.
I hate to say it, but this seems like it's about the $. (which often happens at private schools).
If LW (and Pilarz) were true rainmakers, they'd still be at MU (if they wanted to be).
When the money isn't pouring in, then the other problems become amplified, relationships matter(ed), and it's probably best for all parties to move on.
Winning covers a lot of quirks for a coach, and donations cover a lot of quirks for an AD and President.
In the past, I've had confidence in the BOT (they are smart people)... but I'm really afraid I might have been wrong. Something isn't working with that group. They need to get this next round of hires correct.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2013, 07:02:37 PM
This will come as a shock to everyone on Scoop, but you have your facts wrong. Bill Frieder wasn't fired for interviewing with ASU. He actually agreed to take the job with ASU before the NCAA tourney but offered his expertise to the Wolverines through the tournament's conclusion. Not surprisingly, the powers that be at Michigan declined and Steve Fischer took the team to the title.
The idea that MU fired LW because he interviewed for a job is silly, and if he already had one it would have been announced by his people, not MU.
My recolllection was that the deal with ASU wasn't completely final until after Frieder was officially out at Michigan, but you may be right. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day. But you're still wrong about Crowder and Butler being non-top-500 HS players, to cite an oft-repeated error of yours.
However, because there are younger people on this board, as a public service I must point out that you are dead wrong about the possiblity of being fired for interviewing for another job.
People have been fired for merely leaving a resume on the copy machine. People can (and do) get fired for job hunting.
Again, I specificed that this might not be the case here.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
However, because there are younger people on this board, as a public service I must point out that you are dead wrong about the possiblity of being fired for interviewing for another job.
He didn't say that in a general sense. He specifically said it in terms of LW and Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 16, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
He didn't say that in a general sense. He specifically said it in terms of LW and Marquette.
Which I said in my inital post. I identified it as an alternate possiblity, which Lenny had no way of knowing if it was true or not at the time.
Which leads to the question why you're defending him instead of accusing him of pulling this out of his ass?
As Chicos says, its not the WHAT that's said, its WHO says the what.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
My recolllection was that the deal with ASU wasn't completely final until after Frieder was officially out at Michigan, but you may be right. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day. But you're still wrong about Crowder and Butler being non-top-500 HS players, to cite an oft-repeated error of yours.
Your "recollection" was that Bill Frieder was fired for interviewing for another job, which was ridiculous. You say that Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder were ranked in the top 500 nationally coming out of high school. By whom and what was their ranking?
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
However, because there are younger people on this board, as a public service I must point out that you are dead wrong about the possiblity of being fired for interviewing for another job.
People have been fired for merely leaving a resume on the copy machine. People can (and do) get fired for job hunting.
Again, I specificed that this might not be the case here.
Of course I never said that "people" couldn't be fired for interviewing for another job. Hell, "people" can be fired for not recycling their Coke cans. But coaches and ADs of major universities are not going to be fired for taking an interview. Please cite one real example that contradicts this. Thank you.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Which I said in my inital post. I identified it as an alternate possiblity, which Lenny had no way of knowing if it was true or not at the time.
Which leads to the question why you're defending him instead of accusing him of pulling this out of his ass?
As Chicos says, its not the WHAT that's said, its WHO says the what.
What in your mind is an "alternate possibility"? One chance in 100? 1000? 1,000,000? The possibility that this happened is about as great as Buzz adopting a player to save a scholarship, another of the "possibilities" you've brought to the board in the past. When you postulate an outrageous scenario and base its possibility on something that didn't happen (Frieder's firing due to an interview) you most certainly are being called out on WHAT you said, but play the victim card if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Which I said in my inital post. I identified it as an alternate possiblity, which Lenny had no way of knowing if it was true or not at the time.
Which leads to the question why you're defending him instead of accusing him of pulling this out of his ass?
Why are you so obsessed with me? Normally I would be honored...but you're a little strange.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Which I said in my inital post. I identified it as an alternate possiblity, which Lenny had no way of knowing if it was true or not at the time.
Which leads to the question why you're defending him instead of accusing him of pulling this out of his ass?
As Chicos says, its not the WHAT that's said, its WHO says the what.
The victimization virus spreads.
No, it stays primarily contained in two locations.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 16, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
I hate to say it, but this seems like it's about the $. (which often happens at private schools).
If LW (and Pilarz) were true rainmakers, they'd still be at MU (if they wanted to be).
When the money isn't pouring in, then the other problems become amplified, relationships matter(ed), and it's probably best for all parties to move on.
Winning covers a lot of quirks for a coach, and donations cover a lot of quirks for an AD and President.
In the past, I've had confidence in the BOT (they are smart people)... but I'm really afraid I might have been wrong. Something isn't working with that group. They need to get this next round of hires correct.
The BOT played "whack-a-mole", trying to please all of the people all of the time. That's a good way to create larger problems than the ones you are (allegedly) solving. Challenges occur everywhere, UW, Notre Dame, MU, etc. Make changes to ensure the university hasn't lost sight of her true mission, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water for PR purposes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 16, 2013, 10:34:44 AM
The BOT played "whack-a-mole", trying to please all of the people all of the time. That's a good way to create larger problems than the ones you are (allegedly) solving. Challenges occur everywhere, UW, Notre Dame, MU, etc. Make changes to ensure the university hasn't lost sight of her true mission, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water for PR purposes.
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
I hope the BOT gets it right this time. I know there are smart people on the board, but I don't know if their decision making process is the best (as you pointed out).
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 16, 2013, 10:34:44 AM
The BOT played "whack-a-mole", trying to please all of the people all of the time. That's a good way to create larger problems than the ones you are (allegedly) solving. Challenges occur everywhere, UW, Notre Dame, MU, etc. Make changes to ensure the university hasn't lost sight of her true mission, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water for PR purposes.
This is why the "new vision" unveiled in May is so important. Now the BoT has a specific criteria and objective in their hiring to look for.
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 15, 2013, 05:09:02 PM
And Havasau City is actually in Arizona if I recall correctly.
So, if I wanted to sell you London Bridge, then I'd be selling you a bridge in.....
(http://i.imgur.com/ZLV6URW.gif)
I've read this thread and the Hunt columns with great interest.
I note that John Ferraro is heading up the current Presidential Search Committee. I have very strong regard for John and believe he is doing a very thorough job. I do not believe he was directly involved (other than his participation on the BOT) in the last search.
I also think that many of the issues that have cropped up in basketball (MU becoming SLU metaphorically) may have had certain parallels in other areas of university leadership under Fr. Pilarz. Whether this led to angst among very big money donors or concern on the BOT is not something I'm privy to. I do know that Fr. Wild has been very well received and I am very grateful for his service giving us all a second chance to get this right. And I believe that Buzz is absolutely committed to doing this the 'right way' and is a coach that we can and should be proud to have.
http://www.marquette.edu/leadership/documents/presidential-position-description.pdf
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 16, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
http://www.marquette.edu/leadership/documents/presidential-position-description.pdf
I think I read the job description as fast as my mouse could scroll through it. Which probably means I'm not a good candidate for the position... I wasted 12 seconds skimming when I should have been spending that 12 seconds being a visionary (or on the phone raising money).
Now that Buzz has gotten rid of Pilarz and Williams are MUScoopers next?
Quote from: keefe on December 15, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
Machigatta nai yo!
Step up to the plate, Chico, and go to a proper Izakaya or Onomiya where you can get Kanimiso to Namako to Shiokara to Uni! Barioishii desu ne!
I go where my daughter wants to go....it's our father daughter thing
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2013, 07:02:37 PM
This will come as a shock to everyone on Scoop, but you have your facts wrong. Bill Frieder wasn't fired for interviewing with ASU. He actually agreed to take the job with ASU before the NCAA tourney but offered his expertise to the Wolverines through the tournament's conclusion. Not surprisingly, the powers that be at Michigan declined and Steve Fischer took the team to the title.
The idea that MU fired LW because he interviewed for a job is silly, and if he already had one it would have been announced by his people, not MU.
Agree with this...Frieder was fired because he took the ASU job and Bo Schembechler said he wanted a "Michigan man" to run the program if memory serves.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2013, 09:18:44 PM
I go where my daughter wants to go....it's our father daughter thing
A superb teaching moment then. The problem with the vast majority of Japanese restaurants in North America is that they are owned and operated by Koreans. Nothing wrong with that per se, but what you get is a Korean version of Japanese food that is made for gaijin palates. When I go into a Japanese restaurant I don't know I speak Japanese. If I get a blank look I go elsewhere.
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
A superb teaching moment then. The problem with the vast majority of Japanese restaurants in North America is that they are owned and operated by Koreans. Nothing wrong with that per se, but what you get is a Korean version of Japanese food that is made for gaijin palates. When I go into a Japanese restaurant I don't know I speak Japanese. If I get a blank look I go elsewhere.
Hai!
Quote from: bilsu on December 16, 2013, 02:32:59 PM
Now that Buzz has gotten rid of Pilarz and Williams are MUScoopers next?
We can't be gotten rid of (too many bodies to bury), we can only be contained. That's what MUScoop is for.
I know a number of influential donors that say the Buzz/ Larry Williams rift had been resolved and was no longer an issue. Both guys class acts and the small issues had long been forgotten about. i will take their opinions over those of internet speculation.
Quote from: River rat on December 17, 2013, 11:14:35 AM
I know a number of influential donors that say the Buzz/ Larry Williams rift had been resolved and was no longer an issue. Both guys class acts and the small issues had long been forgotten about. i will take their opinions over those of internet speculation.
+1
LW's rift was with the BoT and the loss of Pilarz, not Buzz.
Why do you think he picked the last day of the semester, the last day of Pilarz Presidency, to resign?
Quote from: River rat on December 17, 2013, 11:14:35 AM
I know a number of influential donors that say the Buzz/ Larry Williams rift had been resolved and was no longer an issue. Both guys class acts and the small issues had long been forgotten about. i will take their opinions over those of internet speculation.
It really isn't just internet speculation. Mike Hunt noted the absence of any sort of relationship between LW and Buzz which I had heard about from elsewhere as well. Perhaps the relationship wasn't bad...it just wasn't very good either.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 17, 2013, 12:36:45 PM
It really isn't just internet speculation. Mike Hunt noted the absence of any sort of relationship between LW and Buzz which I had heard about from elsewhere as well. Perhaps the relationship wasn't bad...it just wasn't very good either.
If your boss doesn't communicate with you for six months that is an excellent indicator of a pretty sh1tty relationship
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 17, 2013, 10:57:08 AM
we can only be contained
The Truman Doctrine!
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Quote from: LittleMurs on December 17, 2013, 10:57:08 AM
We can't be gotten rid of (too many bodies to bury), we can only be contained. That's what MUScoop is for.
New official Scoop motto, with apologies to Chris Berman : You can't stop us, you can only hope to contain us!
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
A superb teaching moment then. The problem with the vast majority of Japanese restaurants in North America is that they are owned and operated by Koreans. Nothing wrong with that per se, but what you get is a Korean version of Japanese food that is made for gaijin palates. When I go into a Japanese restaurant I don't know I speak Japanese. If I get a blank look I go elsewhere.
You are correct, many here in the southland are owned by Koreans. I'm not particularly picky to be honest and it's her call anyway, but you are correct. I actually do speak a bit of Japanese still, so I should be visiting the Japanese owned if I thought about it more.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 17, 2013, 06:56:20 PM
You are correct, many here in the southland are owned by Koreans. I'm not particularly picky to be honest and it's her call anyway, but you are correct. I actually do speak a bit of Japanese still, so I should be visiting the Japanese owned if I thought about it more.
FWIW, it seems the Japanese restaurants out here are run by Chinese. After my wife asks where they're from in Japan they always say "I'm Chinese." I'm always telling the waitresses Xie Xie.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
you can only hope to contain us!
In the aftermath of Hitler's defeat President Truman announced that the cornerstone of American foreign policy would be the containment of Soviet communism. The first test of this policy, known as the Truman Doctrine, was in Greece, which Hitler had invaded in 1941. President Truman remarked that the Soviet Union was a greater threat to the American way of life than Hitler had ever been.
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Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 18, 2013, 07:18:37 AM
FWIW, it seems the Japanese restaurants out here are run by Chinese. After my wife asks where they're from in Japan they always say "I'm Chinese." I'm always telling the waitresses Xie Xie.
I think the reason is that Chinese and Koreans are first generation immigrants and therefore tend to be involved in retail. There hasn't been Japanese emigration anywhere since the turn of the 19th Century so the Japanese American community is now at least in its fifth generation here in North America. As such, and because the community has always stressed formal education, Japanese Americans tend to go into the professions. In 2010, the Japanese American community had the highest level of per capita education and its household income is more than 30% greater than the national average.
Quote from: keefe on December 18, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
In the aftermath of Hitler's defeat President Truman announced that the cornerstone of American foreign policy would be the containment of Soviet communism. The first test of this policy, known as the Truman Doctrine, was in Greece, which Hitler had invaded in 1941. President Truman remarked that the Soviet Union was a greater threat to the American way of life than Hitler had ever been.
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My wife and in-laws seem to have a much greater mistrust for anything Russian than German although not by much. Unknowing supporters of the Truman Doctrine.
From the MJS's Bill Cords article today:
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Cords said he couldn't comment on the reason Wild gave him for Williams' resignation. It is known, however, that Williams and men's basketball coach Buzz Williams had engaged in a power struggle over the running of the school's top sport.
"I'm really looking forward to beginning to help and seeing how things are," Cords said. "One of the things I'm happy about is when I left, things kept right on going and they got better."
Upon his retirement seven years ago, Cords was replaced by Steve Cottingham. Cottingham was ousted two years ago as part of the university's conflict with the city after Marquette failed to report allegations of sexual assault by student-athletes. Cottingham is now an administrator at Colorado State.
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I would think if either of these two topics were wrong, MU officials would be calling Hunt's editors.
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
A superb teaching moment then. The problem with the vast majority of Japanese restaurants in North America is that they are owned and operated by Koreans. Nothing wrong with that per se, but what you get is a Korean version of Japanese food that is made for gaijin palates. When I go into a Japanese restaurant I don't know I speak Japanese. If I get a blank look I go elsewhere.
I never realized this until I wanted to see if we were pronouncing "hello" correctly in Japanese... the waitress had no clue and didn't know a word of Japanese.
Now, having been to Japan, I understand the issue. Why would any one want to leave Japan if they don't have to? Great place, where they actually care about each other or at least treat one another decently.