WILL LEITCH, he of deadspin fame and the worst kind of Illini Alum there is (a St. Louis-centric one) has decided to rank the Top 25 in College Hoops. Apparently he did not use the following indices:
Coaches' Salaries
Overall spending on basketball
Amenities
Attendance
Proximity to Major Hoops Market
Past Success
Recent Success
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Are we a Top 10 job? No...are we better than Temple and others 11-25, most definitely.
And from an Illinois alum, they couldn't even land TC.
Texas top 10.
Illinois's problem is you have to live in Champaign Urbana.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2013, 09:36:37 PM
Texas top 10.
Illinois's problem is you have to live in Champaign Urbana.
Yes! And you'll lose assistant coaches to Non Top 25 schools like MU who apparently have more resources to pay assistants.
Overall, I th nk it's a pretty good list. I'd argue that MU is a better job than Memphis and Maryland, but...like it or not...like Chicos mentioned with the Illini and Champaign, we've got Milwaukee itself weighing us down.
If the author had written about Marquette the way he did the Top 25, I think he might have said this...
Marquette -- Al McGuire has been dead for more than a decade and hasn't coached in more than 35 years, but his ghost blankets this program. It's as if nothing existed before or after Al and it's what Duke might become if someday Coach K leaves and the transition is handled poorly. Marquette today is a program trying to recapture its past with a dynamic young coach, Buzz Williams. If they keep him, they're likely to recapture their glory. If they don't, they are just another fading program trying to break-out.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 13, 2013, 05:05:13 AM
Overall, I th nk it's a pretty good list. I'd argue that MU is a better job than Memphis and Maryland, but...like it or not...like Chicos mentioned with the Illini and Champaign, we've got Milwaukee itself weighing us down.
Aside from the weather, Milwaukee has way more pluses than minuses relative to many college towns.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on December 13, 2013, 06:06:03 AM
Aside from the weather, Milwaukee has way more plus-sized ladies than minuses relative to many college towns.
FIFY
While I loved Will's Deadspin and still read it daily, he is the sports fan I despise the most.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 13, 2013, 05:05:13 AM
Overall, I th nk it's a pretty good list. I'd argue that MU is a better job than Memphis and Maryland, but...like it or not...like Chicos mentioned with the Illini and Champaign, we've got Milwaukee itself weighing us down.
PRN, I believe you live in Chicagoland. Chicago is one of the greatest cities in the World. Compared to Chicago, Milwaukee has its faults but judged against the rest of America is actually a pretty good place. One thing I have noticed with my out of town MU friends is their MKE knowledge is Water Street Brewery or Wolski's. This town has actually evolved quite nicely.
23. Temple Owls. Philadelphia is a wonderful college basketball city, and the Owls will always rule here.
Sorry, but I've got to think that you dump Temple in this sentence and throw in Nova. No way Temple's a better job than Nova...
Quote from: The Lens on December 13, 2013, 09:13:42 AM
PRN, I believe you live in Chicagoland. Chicago is one of the greatest cities in the World. Compared to Chicago, Milwaukee has its faults but judged against the rest of America is actually a pretty good place. One thing I have noticed with my out of town MU friends is their MKE knowledge is Water Street Brewery or Wolski's. This town has actually evolved quite nicely.
I would take MKE or CHI 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. I realize we all have our biases, etc and I will get slammed, but I much much prefer MKE to Chicago on so many fronts. Big enough city without some of the nonsense that goes along with a major city.
Quote from: The Lens on December 13, 2013, 09:13:42 AM
PRN, I believe you live in Chicagoland. Chicago is one of the greatest cities in the World. Compared to Chicago, Milwaukee has its faults but judged against the rest of America is actually a pretty good place. One thing I have noticed with my out of town MU friends is their MKE knowledge is Water Street Brewery or Wolski's. This town has actually evolved quite nicely.
I like Milwaukee and my wife grew up there. In fact, if it wasn't for my mother in law, I'd probably move there! I just think it, and Marquettes campus, are not exactly selling points.
Quote from: siliconwarrior on December 13, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
23. Temple Owls. Philadelphia is a wonderful college basketball city, and the Owls will always rule here.
Sorry, but I've got to think that you dump Temple in this sentence and throw in Nova. No way Temple's a better job than Nova...
That is one of the more ridiculous aspects of that list.
Temple, Oklahoma St., UNLV and Wichita St. have no business on that list.
I would swap in Marquette and NOVA for at least two of those 4. Then maybe add Gonzaga also.
Wichita St seems like an oddity, but then I realized it's more abouthow he was doing the rankings - they're the only program in that conference that pays money and commits to things like private jets. It should be a nice, cushy, winnable job for whoever has it. Programs that also seem high, like Texas, are because the pressure to win big is lower and they have so many natural advantages (recruiting, no limit on money, and perfect facilities). Temple still doesn't make sense though.
This is not Top 25 programs, it's Top 25 JOBS.
Quote from: forgetful on December 13, 2013, 10:01:02 AM
That is one of the more ridiculous aspects of that list.
Temple, Oklahoma St., UNLV and Wichita St. have no business on that list.
I would swap in Marquette and NOVA for at least two of those 4. Then maybe add Gonzaga also.
Jeez, didn't even notice Okie St there. Like, it's cool they're doing well for a bit, but they're still behind KU, Texas and Oklahoma at a MINIMUM.
I guess the same logic about Oregon and Nike is applying to Okie St and T. Boone?
Quote from: siliconwarrior on December 13, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
23. Temple Owls. Philadelphia is a wonderful college basketball city, and the Owls will always rule here.
Sorry, but I've got to think that you dump Temple in this sentence and throw in Nova. No way Temple's a better job than Nova...
Maybe because Nova isn't technically in Philly.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2013, 10:03:43 AM
It should be a nice, cushy, winnable job for whoever has it.
That's a good point. I think Buzz likes the job, but I don't think he would ever say that the job...or keeping it is easy.
This is one of the most laughable lists I have ever seen. Bleacher Report worthy
I lose track. How many of these jobs have had Buzz's name tossed around?
Quote from: siliconwarrior on December 13, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
23. Temple Owls. Philadelphia is a wonderful college basketball city, and the Owls will always rule here.
Sorry, but I've got to think that you dump Temple in this sentence and throw in Nova. No way Temple's a better job than Nova...
Living in Philly, I know that Temple does not rule Philadelphia. The top players in the area prefer Villanova (or Syracuse). Also, it is a cash poor school; they just cut 7 athletic programs.
Maybe Leitch is down on MU bc we were able to steal an assistant coach from his alma mater by basically doubling his salary. How were we able to do that? Oh, yeah, right, because we're a better job. More money, more resources.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 13, 2013, 05:05:13 AM
Overall, I th nk it's a pretty good list. I'd argue that MU is a better job than Memphis and Maryland, but...like it or not...like Chicos mentioned with the Illini and Champaign, we've got Milwaukee itself weighing us down.
What's wrong with Milwaukee. I loved my time at MU in the sixties; and Milwaukee and the MU campus looked like a war zone with all the urban redevelopment going on at the time. Never met nicer people willing to help students like me (from New Jersey) feel like they were home.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
I would take MKE or CHI 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. I realize we all have our biases, etc and I will get slammed, but I much much prefer MKE to Chicago on so many fronts. Big enough city without some of the nonsense that goes along with a major city.
Lived in both, love both, but Milwaukee comes up short by comparison on most metrics. Have you ever lived in Chicago?