I fully accept that Buzz has better basketball knowledge than I do. But what I can't figure out is why he continues to trot out multiple guys that have no business playing high D1 ball. And if your gonna trot out those guys they should be consistently feeding Ox or you need to give Jamil the green light at all times. If we would have played The Marquette brand of basketball that was shown in the final 2 minutes as opposed to having The disgrace to number 23, Jake Thomas, or Derrick, I MIGHT be able to start at Vincent, Williams run the swing offense we would have had at least a prayer. I trust Buzz, I just wish I could get a coherent explanation on this cluster f.
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 10:22:02 PM
I fully accept that Buzz has better basketball knowledge than I do. But what I can't figure out is why he continues to trot out multiple guys that have no business playing high D1 ball. And if your gonna trot out those guys they should be consistently feeding Ox or you need to give Jamil the green light at all times. If we would have played The Marquette brand of basketball that was shown in the final 2 minutes as opposed to having The disgrace to number 23, Jake Thomas, or Derrick, I MIGHT be able to start at Vincent, Williams run the swing offense we would have had at least a prayer. I trust Buzz, I just wish I could get a coherent explanation on this cluster f.
Buzz is playing who gives him the best chance to win. Could jjj and dawson put up better offense than the starters? Maybe. Could jjj and dawson play better defense? No. So is buzz going to trade an almost guaranteed defensive drop for a possible offensive boost? Clearly he's not willing to roll the dice and I can't say I blame him. Now, the freshmen could improve their defense in the coming weeks or months and then I'd be on your side. Right now, the current high mpg guys are giving mu a better chance to win. In February? It may be a different dynamic. Just hib a have to live with it for now.
And in all your ranting, I noticed you failed to propose any solutions that would make this team better right now.
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 10:22:02 PM
I fully accept that Buzz has better basketball knowledge than I do. But what I can't figure out is why he continues to trot out multiple guys that have no business playing high D1 ball. And if your gonna trot out those guys they should be consistently feeding Ox or you need to give Jamil the green light at all times. If we would have played The Marquette brand of basketball that was shown in the final 2 minutes as opposed to having The disgrace to number 23, Jake Thomas, or Derrick, I MIGHT be able to start at Vincent, Williams run the swing offense we would have had at least a prayer. I trust Buzz, I just wish I could get a coherent explanation on this cluster f.
WHO...SHOULD...HE...PLAY????
Seriously you guys act like he's got Lebron, Kobe and Durant on the bench or something.
HE SHOULD PLAY ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS TO SCORE. Guys that are interested in shooting a basketball more than playing a game of hot potato.
We have recruited some of the most OVERRATED ESPN Top 100 Prospects! Not one of these guys are playing up to their expectation, and we have a lot of Top 100 recruits on this team...
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
HE SHOULD PLAY ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS TO SCORE. Guys that are interested in shooting a basketball more than playing a game of hot potato.
Did you see some of the lapses JJJ and even Burton had out there? Sure they're talented, but they get lost on D and play out of control on offense too often. If JJJ, Burton, and Dawson take Derrick, Jake, and Juan's minutes in the 2nd half, we would have lost by 15.
Buzz will bring the freshmen along but they are not fully ready at this point. I doubt Dawson will ever be a big minute guy at MU once Duane gets healthy. He is a 3rd string freshman and people seem to think he is the answer. Reminds me of how people were hyping up Reggie whats his name a few years ago.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on December 08, 2013, 12:05:27 AM
We have recruited some of the most OVERRATED ESPN Top 100 Prospects! Not one of these guys are playing up to their expectation, and we have a lot of Top 100 recruits on this team...
This is why I generally stay away from Scoop after a loss. A lot of ridiculous BS floating around here.
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
HE SHOULD PLAY ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS TO SCORE. Guys that are interested in shooting a basketball more than playing a game of hot potato.
Said it earlier, but I'll say it again, you put the likes of JJJ, Dawson, Taylor, Burton out there for more extensive minutes against this Bo Ryan, and they lose that game by 20+.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 08, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
Said it earlier, but I'll say it again, you put the likes of JJJ, Dawson, Taylor, Burton out there for more extensive minutes against this Bo Ryan, and they lose that game by 20+.
We'll believe it when we see it. That's how bad our current starting guard play is. Hoping Buzz takes a chance and proves us wrong.
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 10:22:02 PM
I fully accept that Buzz has better basketball knowledge than I do.
Apparently not.
Quote from: niquejamesfan on December 07, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
HE SHOULD PLAY ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS TO SCORE. Guys that are interested in shooting a basketball more than playing a game of hot potato.
You mean like JJJ? Who was on the floor ten minutes and didn't take a shot?
Buzz was missing 4 guys he thought would be on the floor when he scheduled yesterday's game: Duane, Todd, Steve and Vander. He did OK with what he had available. Losing sucks but the Vadgers played pretty well so let's not dump this all on Buzz's lap.
Quote from: MUSF on December 08, 2013, 12:09:12 AM
This is why I generally stay away from Scoop after a loss. A lot of ridiculous BS floating around here.
It's really unbelievable. Almost like some of these people are making parody posts.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 08, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
Said it earlier, but I'll say it again, you put the likes of JJJ, Dawson, Taylor, Burton out there for more extensive minutes against this Bo Ryan, and they lose that game by 20+.
I agree with this 100%. And this is where the transfers of Jones/Ferguson and the departure of Blue are hurting us. Can't blame Jones/Ferguson for transferring... with Mayo and Blue on the team this year, they likely wouldn't have seen a starting role. Can't blame Buzz for over-recruiting, just the nature of D-1 basketball.
In all reality, these early season struggles are a blessing in disguise. The team is improving and the freshman are getting valuable playing time against top programs. We may not get a top seed in the NCAA tournament but will be in good position to make a run at the Big East crown and head into the tournament with some positive momentum.
He fully accepts that Buzz has more basketball IQ than he does...proceeds to tell us how much more basketball IQ than Buzz he has.
We have lost four games to top 50 teams, three of them on the road, two of them against top 10 teams. Stop panicking
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2013, 06:25:46 PM
He fully accepts that Buzz has more basketball IQ than he does...proceeds to tell us how much more basketball IQ than Buzz he has.
We have lost four games to top 50 teams, three of them on the road, two of them against top 10 teams. Stop panicking
Some might be panicking. But not everybody who voices legitimate concerns is panicking.
If a gunman came at me wanting to shoot me in the head, I'd panic. Whether a college basketball team does or doesn't make the NCAA tournament? As much as I love the Warriors, it simply isn't enough to make me panic.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 08, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
Said it earlier, but I'll say it again, you put the likes of JJJ, Dawson, Taylor, Burton out there for more extensive minutes against this Bo Ryan, and they lose that game by 20+.
^^This
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2013, 06:42:43 PM
Some might be panicking. But not everybody who voices legitimate concerns is panicking.
If a gunman came at me wanting to shoot me in the head, I'd panic. Whether a college basketball team does or doesn't make the NCAA tournament? As much as I love the Warriors, it simply isn't enough to make me panic.
There's a definite difference between panicking and legitimate concern. I wouldn't put you in the panic category. That doesn't mean there isn't a ton of it on this board.
I'm a little confused why nobody seems to have confidence in the freshmen. I mean they're more talented than the James, McNeal, and Matthews combo that started nearly every game when they were freshmen and I doubt many of you guys complained about that.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 09, 2013, 04:04:37 AM
I'm a little confused why nobody seems to have confidence in the freshmen. I mean they're more talented than the James, McNeal, and Matthews combo that started nearly every game when they were freshmen and I doubt many of you guys complained about that.
Just cause they were rated higher does not mean that they are more talented. It also helped that they had a guy like Steve Novak who made defenses stretch out.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 09, 2013, 04:04:37 AM
I mean they're more talented than the James, McNeal, and Matthews combo that started nearly every game when they were freshmen and I doubt many of you guys complained about that.
Yeah, that's not accurate.
Those guys were special. They weren't only physically gifted, they were all extremely intelligent, and picked up on things at an abnormally fast rate. Crean's offense was far more difficult to learn than what Buzz runs, and they were all very sound defensively.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 09, 2013, 09:56:20 AM
Yeah, that's not accurate.
Those guys were special. They weren't only physically gifted, they were all extremely intelligent, and picked up on things at an abnormally fast rate. Crean's offense was far more difficult to learn than what Buzz runs, and they were all very sound defensively.
Also, Crean had more of a classic man to man defense. Buzz runs a more aggressive defense that is high risk-high reward. If a player has any hesitation in where they are suppose to be, it's going to be lay-up city all game long.
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on December 09, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
Also, Crean had more of a classic man to man defense. Buzz runs a more aggressive defense that is high risk-high reward. If a player has any hesitation in where they are suppose to be, it's going to be lay-up city all game long.
But one wonders if that's not a fault on Buzz's part to not adjust his defensive scheme to accommodate his current players, to get his better offensive freshmen on the floor? Like playing more zone.
You guys do realize they will play over 30 games this year, and they have played 9 so far, right? 25-30% through the year, and you want him to adjust the defensive scheme? Play more zone? How about learning to do the things you want hem to do first, before changing course and trying to do something different?
Buzz has already adjusted things on defense. They aren't nearly as aggressive as they have been in previous years. That's why you don't have as much transition game as you saw last year.
Eventually the young guys need to learn what Buzz is teaching.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 09, 2013, 04:04:37 AM
I'm a little confused why nobody seems to have confidence in the freshmen. I mean they're more talented than the James, McNeal, and Matthews combo that started nearly every game when they were freshmen and I doubt many of you guys complained about that.
The three amigos started nearly every game because there were only four scholarship guards on the team.
Don't think the defensive effort has been bad this year, but we have woes on offense
Quote from: willie warrior on December 09, 2013, 10:55:28 AM
Don't think the defensive effort has been bad this year, but we have woes on offense
And this is my point of zoning the defense. It gets the defense struggling, but better offensive players on the floor, keeps players to minimal foul trouble (Jamil benefits), it creates long outlets for athletic guards that knows how to leak out, etc. There are some positives. I'm not say eliminate Buzz ball, I'm saying it may be a way to help the offensive end.
5-4 is not good, but two of our losses are to top 10 teams that are undefeated. As of Saturday there were only 15 undefeated teams left. We played a bad first half at Arizona St in our first road game. I suspect that if we had another game at Arizona St we would win this time. I have already accepted this team for what it is, which is a team good enough to win the NIT championship. However, what really bothers me is that usually I have the feeling that next year we will be better. This year I feel that next year's team we will be worse.
Quote from: bilsu on December 09, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
However, what really bothers me is that usually I have the feeling that next year we will be better. This year I feel that next year's team we will be worse.
A little too early to think about next year. But of course I will. I understand your fear, when you consider the strnegth of this year's team is Garder/Ja Wilson/Otule and they will be gone. But next year's team has a chance to be a lot of fun going back to small ball zaniness and fast pace.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 09, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
A little too early to think about next year. But of course I will. I understand your fear, when you consider the strnegth of this year's team is Garder/Ja Wilson/Otule and they will be gone. But next year's team has a chance to be a lot of fun going back to small ball zaniness and fast pace.
Yea, actually, Guard might be a strength next year.
You have:
Wilson & Wilson
Todd & JJJ
Juan & Deonte
That's 6 pretty good players who should improve by next season.
The PF and C spots are up in the air and unknown
Steve Taylor
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Burton and Juan might have to play "4" next year.
Do you actually think Todd will be here next year? I also am beginning to wonder if Taylor will be here next year. He did not play against Wisconsin either. We will have no size at all if Taylor leaves unless you want to count a freshmen center that probably will not play much.
Quote from: bilsu on December 09, 2013, 12:08:04 PM
Do you actually think Todd will be here next year? I also am beginning to wonder if Taylor will be here next year. He did not play against Wisconsin either. We will have no size at all if Taylor leaves unless you want to count a freshmen center that probably will not play much.
Taylor didn't play because he's hurt.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 09, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
Yea, actually, Guard might be a strength next year.
You have:
Wilson & Wilson
Todd & JJJ
Juan & Deonte
That's 6 pretty good players who should improve by next season.
The PF and C spots are up in the air and unknown
Steve Taylor
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Burton and Juan might have to play "4" next year.
Guard could be better next year. Don't think either Anderson or Burton would best be considered Guards, so take them out of the mix.
If both Wilson's play the point, then Duane should get the most minutes until proven otherwise. Derrick is a back up, and should warrant 15 minutes per game. JJJ needs to get most minutes at the 2nd guard--Mayo is a head case. Let's not forget about Dawson, and don't we have a couple wings coming in next year?
We will be hurting underneath next year.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 09, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
We will be hurting underneath next year.
Especially painful when you are "hurting underneath", no?
Sunbelt and NiqueJames should be coaching this team.