How come every suspension seems to happen at big game on the road? We beat UW and WVU with guys out and had at least one out today. How come this never happens when we play Chicago State?
Because if Buzz is being genuine about proving a point, perhaps holding someone out one of the biggest games of the year is the way to do it? Todd probably doesn't care if he misses a game versus Grambling. Takes some balls to suspend one of your core players in these games, but it must be warranted.
Jamil,
Still seems very strange to me. Odds are if are going to F up it can happen before any game.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on December 07, 2013, 04:22:23 PM
Because if Buzz is being genuine about proving a point, perhaps holding someone out one of the biggest games of the year is the way to do it? Todd probably doesn't care if he misses a game versus Grambling. Takes some balls to suspend one of your core players in these games, but it must be warranted.
Or just smart---figured if he was going to lose anyway, the committee might be willing to look past the loss if a key player was out.
Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
How come every suspension seems to happen at big game on the road? We beat UW and WVU with guys out and had at least one out today. How come this never happens when we play Chicago State?
We crush Chicago St at home and the road--and in the conf tourney so it doesn't matter.
I am going with just smart.
DJO was suspended for Northern Colorado a couple years ago.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 07, 2013, 09:44:26 PM
Or just smart---figured if he was going to lose anyway, the committee might be willing to look past the loss if a key player was out.
So Buzz selectively enforces the rules when we play a good opponent to have a built in excuse?
Jesus...some of the odd-ball theories that are floated around this place amaze me.
Yep, opponent and time of season doesn't matter. It's not that hard to show up to practice on time, or send the coach a text beforehand that says "Yo Buzz I'm on the john be a few minutes late"
Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2013, 09:50:38 PM
I am going with just smart.
I expect off the wall, lame brained, kooky conspiracy theories from the usual suspects, but come on Goose - you can't really agree with that bit of lunacy.
Lenny,
I am not saying it is done for seeding or anything like that. My only point was it is odd that our guys are always jammed up for big games on the road. I do not think Buzz has some master plan, but it does seem strange to me on the games guys are suspended.
Only thing I can add to that is Todd seems to be common element in these suspensions. Maybe question on why he is not suspended more often should be the issue.
Quote from: Goose on December 09, 2013, 08:57:57 AM
Lenny,
I am not saying it is done for seeding or anything like that. My only point was it is odd that our guys are always jammed up for big games on the road. I do not think Buzz has some master plan, but it does seem strange to me on the games guys are suspended.
Only thing I can add to that is Todd seems to be common element in these suspensions. Maybe question on why he is not suspended more often should be the issue.
Or maybe it's just a coincidence?
We are talking about 3 occurrences in three years right?
Let's actually look at Todd's suspensions. The first was 720, which involved damn near half the team. Not good, but I can excuse a freshman for that. The second was academics, which he got fixed and thus far seems to be keeping up on. The third was being late for a practice. Are any of these, or even all three taken together over the course of three years, really so severe that he should be dismissed from the program?
Quote from: Goose on December 09, 2013, 08:57:57 AM
Lenny,
I am not saying it is done for seeding or anything like that. My only point was it is odd that our guys are always jammed up for big games on the road. I do not think Buzz has some master plan, but it does seem strange to me on the games guys are suspended.
Only thing I can add to that is Todd seems to be common element in these suspensions. Maybe question on why he is not suspended more often should be the issue.
DJO at home for N Colorado, Junior at UW, Todd at UW and multiple guys at West Virginia. Three out of four coin tosses have come up heads. Let's build a kooky conspiracy theory around that no so amazing coincidence.
Want a real conspiracy theory? Check out the programs/coaches who only suspend players for home games against cupcakes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Let's actually look at Todd's suspensions. The first was 720, which involved damn near half the team. Not good, but I can excuse a freshman for that. The second was academics, which he got fixed and thus far seems to be keeping up on. The third was being late for a practice. Are any of these, or even all three taken together over the course of three years, really so severe that he should be dismissed from the program?
Not a game suspension, but being sent away for a summer wasn't a reward for good behavior either.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Let's actually look at Todd's suspensions. The first was 720, which involved damn near half the team. Not good, but I can excuse a freshman for that. The second was academics, which he got fixed and thus far seems to be keeping up on. The third was being late for a practice. Are any of these, or even all three taken together over the course of three years, really so severe that he should be dismissed from the program?
Agreed. And maybe Drill Sergeant Buzz needs to lighten up a bit. I don't know whose antics I'm more sick of, his or Todd's.
Quote from: chapman on December 09, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
Not a game suspension, but being sent away for a summer wasn't a reward for good behavior either.
As Ners mentioned in the other thread, Jae was also sent away for a summer. As I recall, Todd's excellent vacation was less a punishment and more a "figure out where you are with this program" situation.
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 09, 2013, 12:52:54 PM
Agreed. And maybe Drill Sergeant Buzz needs to lighten up a bit. I don't know whose antics I'm more sick of, his or Todd's.
It is absolutely mind-boggling how people here can question what he is doing in this regard.
Remember the good ole days of yore when people thought he went to easy on the team after the alledged sexual misconduct violations?
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on December 07, 2013, 04:22:23 PM
Because if Buzz is being genuine about proving a point, perhaps holding someone out one of the biggest games of the year is the way to do it? Todd probably doesn't care if he misses a game versus Grambling. Takes some balls to suspend one of your core players in these games, but it must be warranted.
Apparently Todd doesn't care one way or the other. It seems Todd only cares about Todd.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Let's actually look at Todd's suspensions. The first was 720, which involved damn near half the team. Not good, but I can excuse a freshman for that. The second was academics, which he got fixed and thus far seems to be keeping up on. The third was being late for a practice. Are any of these, or even all three taken together over the course of three years, really so severe that he should be dismissed from the program?
You are certain he was late to practice?
Quote from: Atticus on December 09, 2013, 01:15:54 PM
You are certain he was late to practice?
I've heard nothing to the contrary, so unless someone's lying...
Quote from: chapman on December 09, 2013, 08:39:24 AM
Yep, opponent and time of season doesn't matter. It's not that hard to show up to practice on time, or send the coach a text beforehand that says "Yo Buzz I'm on the john be a few minutes late"
Sometimes it's very hard. Especially in the morning.
How many times has this guy been late to deserve a suspension? He must be continuously late to the point that extra laps or suicides means nothing.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on December 09, 2013, 01:45:56 PM
Sometimes it's very hard. Especially in the morning.
How many times has this guy been late to deserve a suspension? He must be continuously late to the point that extra laps or suicides means nothing.
Or he's been on a zero-tolerance policy since the meeting with his mother.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2013, 01:47:19 PM
Or he's been on a zero-tolerance policy since the meeting with his mother.
And Buzz, being the bright guy that he is, should have known that a zero-tolerance policy was never going to work with a guy like Todd.
Quote from: Goose on December 09, 2013, 08:57:57 AM
Lenny,
I am not saying it is done for seeding or anything like that. My only point was it is odd that our guys are always jammed up for big games on the road. I do not think Buzz has some master plan, but it does seem strange to me on the games guys are suspended.
Only thing I can add to that is Todd seems to be common element in these suspensions. Maybe question on why he is not suspended more often should be the issue.
Maybe it's happened a little more than we would have liked, but compare those few games with all the big road games in which we've had a full roster--it would dwarf the former number.
knowing Buzz i'd think he suspends someone for a big game for something small like being late to practice, bus or pregame to prove that the little things matter or something. Just a theory.
Quote from: Atticus on December 09, 2013, 01:15:54 PM
You are certain he was late to practice?
Todd tweeted an apology saying that he was sorry for being late to practice.
This whole board meltdown is hilarious. Last summer everyone was worried that Buzz would leave to SMU or any other school. Now he doesn't know what he is doing, has worn out his stick, and unfairly benches players.
Bagpiping
That makes a ton of sense to me. Never even crossed my mind, but I think you might be right.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 09, 2013, 05:34:22 PM
Todd tweeted an apology saying that he was sorry for being late to practice.
This whole board meltdown is hilarious. Last summer everyone was worried that Buzz would leave to SMU or any other school. Now he doesn't know what he is doing, has worn out his stick, and unfairly benches players.
Not the whole board, just a select few.
I'd also suggest there is a select few that have a win at all costs mentality....just win baby...and if you are in that camp the suspension eats at them much more than it eats at others.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 09, 2013, 05:34:22 PM
This whole board meltdown is hilarious. Last summer everyone was worried that Buzz would leave to SMU or any other school. Now he doesn't know what he is doing, has worn out his stick, and unfairly benches players.
Back to back losses do send some MU die-hards into a tail-spin. Add that it's been 11 days since the last win, and 5 more to go until (hopefully) the next win, and it gives people lots of time to stew.
Unfortunate, but a combination of some poor play, tough opponents, and time between opponents has outweighed much of the improvement we have already seen in the team this year.
I suspect this team will get better, but I do (already) wonder if MU will miss the tourney, which seemed unthinkable a month ago.