It's not a big deal even Kentucky has one down year every five. But MU is going dancing ing the NIT
This is a great post. Thanks.
What is blound?
As negative as I have been about our starters.
I refuse to believe this at this point.
5 non conference losses will look ugly.
But all we gotta do is get hot for a few days in the BE and win that tourney.
Sure, right now I am not confident against any BE team, but none scare me either.
Clean up the title when you sober up. MU is going to the big dance. Don't make brewcity embarrass everybody with a bold prediction again.
This has drunken idiot written all over it.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 07, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
As negative as I have been about our starters.
I refuse to believe this at this point.
5 non conference losses will look ugly.
But all we gotta do is get hot for a few days in the BE and win that tourney.
Sure, right now I am not confident against any BE team, but none scare me either.
Wait, you're actually semi-positive about something? I really hope we won't be NIT Blound and dancing ing this year too.
Bound... Blound, who gives a crap? We have 0 quality wins
Marquette will be in the NCAA field. Put money on it. This is a young team looking for it's chemistry. You can see Buzz coaching his butt off bringing the freshman along. Without Taylor and Wilson things are extremely tough. Add Mayo's apparent maturity issues and McKay's defection there's a clear manpower shortage and chemistry development challenge.
Quote from: TheTulsaWarrior on December 07, 2013, 03:46:32 PM
Marquette will be in the NCAA field. Put money on it. This is a young team looking for it's chemistry. You can see Buzz coaching his butt off bringing the freshman along. Without Taylor and Wilson things are extremely tough. Add Mayo's apparent maturity issues and McKay's defection there's a clear manpower shortage and chemistry development challenge.
Gotta beat New Mexico and can't afford too many slip ups in BE play. I'm not as optimistic as you, as I don't have much confidence in this year's talent, but I am by no means counting them out yet.
"But all we gotta do is get hot for a few days in the BE and win that tourney"
I am sure we can clean it all up by the BE tourney time...
If that is our hope for the NCAA tourney, we suck...
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
Bound... Blound, who gives a crap? We have 0 quality wins
George Washington will be a quality win by the end of the season. I know that is grasping for sunshine right now, but they are talented with high major transfers and are extremely well coached.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
Clean up the title when you sober up. MU is going to the big dance. Don't make brewcity embarrass everybody with a bold prediction again.
Isn't the concept of a bold prediction to be...bold?
you can't really embarrass people with a bold prediction when you are acknowledging its...bold.
That said, I agree...we will dance...in the Big one.
21-10 or so, at season's end. Middle of the road seed in NCAA.
How'd this work out last year?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
Bound... Blound, who gives a crap? We have 0 quality wins
He may need a blunt to chill...or if it Corie Blount, there may be a lot of illegitimate children to feed.
Mayo sucks. Marquette was better off without that idiot on the floor
...
All they need to do is find a way to get jake Thomas to violate team rules and they'd be set
As I see it from the cheap seats, we lack intensity at too many points in a gme and get outhussled. We should have moved faster and anticipated Bo's sets.
I ask everyone this would you put 1000 of your hard earned money that marquette makes the NCAA tournament? If so what are your reasons?
Who is our go to scorer?
How strong is the new big east to cover a awful non conference schedule ?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 07, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
21-10 or so, at season's end. Middle of the road seed in NCAA.
We will likely be 8-5 entering Conference play. 13-5 in conference is not going to happen, unless Buzz shakes the lineup, which he won't. Even if we finish 11-7, which right now is a stretch, 19-12 is not a dancing resume. We will have zero quality wins, unless we beat Villanova or Georgetown on their floor.
Quote from: dking0213 on December 07, 2013, 04:01:40 PM
I ask everyone this would you put 1000 of your hard earned money that marquette makes the NCAA tournament? If so what are your reasons?
Who is our go to scorer?
How strong is the new big east to cover a awful non conference schedule ?
I'll take a piece of that action if you are offering it.
MU will make the tournament.
Ok look I have "walk on" status but some please explain how we make the tourney with an
RPI over 100, and 0 quality non-conference wins?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 07, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
We will likely be 8-5 entering Conference play. 13-5 in conference is not going to happen, unless Buzz shakes the lineup, which he won't. Even if we finish 11-7, which right now is a stretch, 19-12 is not a dancing resume. We will have zero quality wins, unless we beat Villanova or Georgetown on their floor.
Have you been paying attention to BE teams so far?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 07, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
We will likely be 8-5 entering Conference play. 13-5 in conference is not going to happen, unless Buzz shakes the lineup, which he won't. Even if we finish 11-7, which right now is a stretch, 19-12 is not a dancing resume. We will have zero quality wins, unless we beat Villanova or Georgetown on their floor.
If you say so.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
Ok look I have "walk on" status but some please explain how we make the tourney with an
RPI over 100, and 0 quality non-conference wins?
I think MU will make the tournament.
Maybe you're a genius. Maybe I'm an idiot.
Put your money up and find out.
Everything else is just talkin'
Buzz needs to stop worrying so much about his in-game wardrobe and learn to pull jake the snake Thomas out when he contributes nothing for 15 minutes
on a positive, the Buzz to UT threads will die down...
Quote from: dking0213 on December 07, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Buzz needs to stop worrying so much about his in-game wardrobe and learn to pull jake the snake Thomas out when he contributes nothing for 15 minutes
Quote from: dking0213 on December 07, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Buzz needs to stop worrying so much about his in-game wardrobe and learn to pull jake the snake Thomas out when he contributes nothing for 15 minutes
And without Mayo, who should play instead? Jajuan?
JJJ should be getting every minute JT is getting. JT has no upside and hurts us on both sides of the ball.
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2013, 04:08:15 PM
Have you been paying attention to BE teams so far?
Have you been paying attention to MU so far?
People need to wake up. Buzz is a great coach but this team has not, and will not, develop to a top 68 team. J. Wilson is too soft and we have no backcourt. We have a great core of younger players, but this just isn't our year. Our RPI is now over 120, our conference has no-one in the top 25. We won't win our conference or conference tournament. Please tell me where u see potential in this team?
If they could find a way to shoot the ball the way they did in the last 2 min for a whole game they'd be a lot better off. Instead they take their sweet ass time and try to find a way to feed the pirate (otule) down low. Which obviously doesn't work. JaJuan showed he's capable of taking the outside shot but their whole game plan is retarded. They're not a low post team
Quote from: willie warrior on December 07, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
Have you been paying attention to MU so far?
Yes and I think 11-7 is hardly a stretch. Georgetown, Villanova, and Creighton are all very comparable to MU right now.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 04:19:15 PM
People need to wake up. Buzz is a great coach but this team has not, and will not, develop to a top 68 team. J. Wilson is too soft and we have no backcourt. We have a great core of younger players, but this just isn't our year. Our RPI is now over 120, our conference has no-one in the top 25. We won't win our conference or conference tournament. Please tell me where u see potential in this team?
Thought Nova was Top 20?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
How'd this work out last year?
To be fair, we had a better team last year. Maybe not better talent, but a better team. Hopefully the return of Duane Wilson will be the difference. For the record, this does not mean I think we are NIT bound, but with the conference not as good and the poor results in non-conference, the clock is ticking to right the ship. Obviously the expectations by the pundits are not looking very strong.
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2013, 05:23:35 PM
Yes and I think 11-7 is hardly a stretch. Georgetown, Villanova, and Creighton are all very comparable to MU right now.
Villanova is undefeated with wins over #2 Kansas and #23 Iowa. I don't think anyone could reasonably argue they're a comparable team to us right now.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 07, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
Villanova is undefeated with wins over #2 Kansas and #23 Iowa. I don't think anyone could reasonably argue they're a comparable team to us right now.
Perhaps we're more like Villanova two years ago. So there will be better days.
No backcourt.
No shooters.
No dancing.
Quote from: LAZER on December 07, 2013, 05:23:35 PM
Yes and I think 11-7 is hardly a stretch. Georgetown, Villanova, and Creighton are all very comparable to MU right now.
We are at the bottom of the heap, except for DePaul, right now in overall BEast team records. We will see how that all shakes out. So for the record, you are predicting MU at better than 11-7 in conference?
I think this team gets to 22 wins in the regular season.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
Clean up the title when you sober up. MU is going to the big dance. Don't make brewcity embarrass everybody with a bold prediction again.
That's what I was thinking.
Again... Our RPI is over 120 that's a bubble NIT team by the numbers. I'm not upset by it and I still have full trust in Buzz. This is just a down year becuase of the unexpected departures. But stop with all the crap about this team turning it around. When was the last time we had this many losses and 0 quality wins at this point in the season and still went dancing?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
Bound... Blound, who gives a crap? We have 0 quality wins
? Me-- it's blound don't say it's bound when it's clear you meant blound.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on December 07, 2013, 08:48:37 PM
Again... Our RPI is over 120 that's a bubble NIT team by the numbers. I'm not upset by it and I still have full trust in Buzz. This is just a down year becuase of the unexpected departures. But stop with all the crap about this team turning it around. When was the last time we had this many losses and 0 quality wins at this point in the season and still went dancing?
This was our 2010-2011 full non conference slate:
Prairie View AM - W
Bucknell - W (barely)
Green Bay - W
South Dakota - W
Duke - L
Gonzaga - L
@ Milwaukee - W
Longwood - W
Texas AMCC - W
Wisconsin - L
Centenary - W
Miss Valley State - W
@Vandy - L
For a total non conference record of 9-4. We then proceeded to go 9-9 in conference for a 18-13 record. We ended up in the sweet 16.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 07, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
? Me-- it's blound don't say it's bound when it's clear you meant blound.
Thanks for clairifing pretty boy
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on December 07, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
This was our 2010-2011 full non conference slate:
Prairie View AM - W
Bucknell - W (barely)
Green Bay - W
South Dakota - W
Duke - L
Gonzaga - L
@ Milwaukee - W
Longwood - W
Texas AMCC - W
Wisconsin - L
Centenary - W
Miss Valley State - W
@Vandy - L
For a total non conference record of 9-4. We then proceeded to go 9-9 in conference for a 18-13 record. We ended up in the sweet 16.
Dont bring your facts into this.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on December 07, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
This was our 2010-2011 full non conference slate:
Prairie View AM - W
Bucknell - W (barely)
Green Bay - W
South Dakota - W
Duke - L
Gonzaga - L
@ Milwaukee - W
Longwood - W
Texas AMCC - W
Wisconsin - L
Centenary - W
Miss Valley State - W
@Vandy - L
For a total non conference record of 9-4. We then proceeded to go 9-9 in conference for a 18-13 record. We ended up in the sweet 16.
Relying on that precident could be dangerous. That yeare we were able to offset the non-conference losses with quality conference wins against RPI #21 WVU (x2), #14 UConn and #18 Syracuse.
We also got a nice SOS bump from playing (albeit losing) to #9 Notre Dame twice, #10 Pitt, #13 Georgetown, another game against #14 UConn, 2 games against #17 Louisville, #36 Cincy and #38 Villanova.
Once confernce play started, we had 13 chances against top 50 opponents (11 of them top 25 opponents) to offset those four non-conference losses.
This year the only BE team currently in the top 50 RPI is #6 Villanova.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on December 07, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
This was our 2010-2011 full non conference slate:
Prairie View AM - W
Bucknell - W (barely)
Green Bay - W
South Dakota - W
Duke - L
Gonzaga - L
@ Milwaukee - W
Longwood - W
Texas AMCC - W
Wisconsin - L
Centenary - W
Miss Valley State - W
@Vandy - L
For a total non conference record of 9-4. We then proceeded to go 9-9 in conference for a 18-13 record. We ended up in the sweet 16.
I don't think all hope is lost and I don't necessarily think we are NIT Blound, but 9-9 in the NBE will not be the RPI equivalent of going 9-9 in the 2011 Big East. We are probably going to have to win a dozen or so league games to get into the NCAAs, and that's if we win out in nonconference play by beating New Mexico and the cupcakes.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 07, 2013, 09:40:16 PM
Relying on that precident could be dangerous.
True. But someone asked him to prove that it happened. And he did.
Wow....losing a close one to the Badgers really tied some people's panties into knots.
We WILL beat New Mexico in two weeks
We WILL finish in the top four of the BEast
We WILL be dancing in March
Not really trying to analyze here, just going on the record. Three road losses to RPI top 50 teams and one home loss to a top 5 team does not mean the season is over. Sheesh people
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on December 07, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
This was our 2010-2011 full non conference slate:
Prairie View AM - W
Bucknell - W (barely)
Green Bay - W
South Dakota - W
Duke - L
Gonzaga - L
@ Milwaukee - W
Longwood - W
Texas AMCC - W
Wisconsin - L
Centenary - W
Miss Valley State - W
@Vandy - L
For a total non conference record of 9-4. We then proceeded to go 9-9 in conference for a 18-13 record. We ended up in the sweet 16.
We were also one of the last teams in and some argued outside the bubble prior to the Big East tournament that year. Joe Lunardi had us I believe the 2nd to last team in prior to the BET.
We got a lot of benefit that year from a very powerful conference which we don't play in any longer.
Not saying you aren't right with your potential prediction, but that season record and this season's record are not apples to apples due to who we played and the conference we played in.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2013, 05:42:59 PM
Wow....losing a close one to the Badgers really tied some people's panties into knots.
We WILL beat New Mexico in two weeks
We WILL finish in the top four of the BEast
We WILL be dancing in March
Not really trying to analyze here, just going on the record. Three road losses to RPI top 50 teams and one home loss to a top 5 team does not mean the season is over. Sheesh people
Fact: We have lost to the only four good teams on our schedule to date (or 4 of 5 if one considers GW good, which is still to be seen). We also struggled to beat Southern and New Hampshire.
Opinion: We will beat New Mexico, finish in Big East top four and be dancing in March.
None of this means the season is over, but the facts offer at least some reason for concern. Meanwhile, the opinions are, well, opinions. Curious, TAMU, was it also your opinion that we would lose to Ohio State, Arizona State, San Diego State and Wisconsin State? If so, these more recent opinions will have more credibility!
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
I don't think all hope is lost and I don't necessarily think we are NIT Blound, but 9-9 in the NBE will not be the RPI equivalent of going 9-9 in the 2011 Big East. We are probably going to have to win a dozen or so league games to get into the NCAAs, and that's if we win out in nonconference play by beating New Mexico and the cupcakes.
Yep, 9-9 in the best season for a single conference ever can do wonders - we played an elite team pretty much every night out. The new conference's 9/16 or ~6th place team probably won't make the tournament, much less win the national title, and its 11/16 or ~7th place team may not get an NIT invite rather than going to the S16.
The old conference was a gift from that standpoint - a great resume game almost every time out. We beat two top 10 teams at home, a top 15 team on the road, and since six of our road games were against top 20 teams so many of the losses were almost a free shot from a resume standpoint - this year, @Villanova is currently the only game that fits that category. Unlike the 9-9 year where showing up some nights and not others was okay, this year you really do need to show up every night out since you can't undo all of the bad and more from dropping a game against a middle of the pack team just by winning the next one. We tried to get a few mulligans for later by scheduling some challenges before conference play, and that has failed. Really going to need to show up every night, regardless of opponent.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
Fact: We have lost to the only four good teams on our schedule to date (or 4 of 5 if one considers GW good, which is still to be seen). We also struggled to beat Southern and New Hampshire.
Opinion: We will beat New Mexico, finish in Big East top four and be dancing in March.
None of this means the season is over, but the facts offer at least some reason for concern. Meanwhile, the opinions are, well, opinions. Curious, TAMU, was it also your opinion that we would lose to Ohio State, Arizona State, San Diego State and Wisconsin State? If so, these more recent opinions will have more credibility!
Fact: Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
These threads will be great to read in March.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
Fact: We have lost to the only four good teams on our schedule to date (or 4 of 5 if one considers GW good, which is still to be seen). We also struggled to beat Southern and New Hampshire.
Opinion: We will beat New Mexico, finish in Big East top four and be dancing in March.
None of this means the season is over, but the facts offer at least some reason for concern. Meanwhile, the opinions are, well, opinions. Curious, TAMU, was it also your opinion that we would lose to Ohio State, Arizona State, San Diego State and Wisconsin State? If so, these more recent opinions will have more credibility!
I thought we would beat Arizona State but lose to Ohio State, Creighton (didn't expect SDSU to be there) and Wisconsin. When it ended up being SDSU I expected to win.
I'm not trying to pass opinions off as facts, just logging predictions.
I think there are a LOT of similarities between this team and the 2010-2011 team. That year Junior didn't really play well until the end of the season. In fact he had his best game against WVU. Lots of new parts then had to jell, just like now. If Duane W plays so that Derrick doesn't have to play as much and we get some scoring from the point. If JJJ and Burton mature so that they can give you some solid minutes and Jake can go back to being a situational player (and hopefully a better situational player than last year). If Steve Taylor truly gets healthy. This team could be really playing well in late Feb. Go to the championship of the BE tourney. They probably get in as a 9-12 seed. True we don't have as much margin for error as before. But its been along time since we were on the bubble and we've forgotten has flawed those bubble teams usually are. Buzz has worked his magic too many times for me to lose hope this early. Enjoy the ride.
Quote from: weareMU13 on December 08, 2013, 07:46:37 PM
These threads will be great to read in March.
One way or another
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
I thought we would beat Arizona State but lose to Ohio State, Creighton (didn't expect SDSU to be there) and Wisconsin. When it ended up being SDSU I expected to win.
I'm not trying to pass opinions off as facts, just logging predictions.
Reasonably explained. Thanks.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 07, 2013, 03:40:18 PM
This is a great post. Thanks.
I think this is the first time I, quite literally, laughed out loud at an MUScoop post. Well said.