This team is too soft. We have bigs but they are too soft. Davavnte is a good rebounder and scorer but a step slow on defense. Where are the block outs by the seniors? The blocked shots? Stop blaming D.Wilson (who granted is limited in talent) we need the seniors to take the lead and be aggressive. I think a bad boy in Malek would be good for MU. I am tired of being bullied by other teams in the middle and in the post.
He might be a bully off the court, have you seen him play yet? There will be a great need for a Jae Crowder type player next year.
Hold on... it's bad enough we're making statements that kids who aren't currently getting playing time (Dawson) are significantly better than kids with more experience and Buzz's faith that are actually on the court (DeWil)... now we're going to say our saviors are kids who aren't even here yet?! What in the world is going on lately? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! This is back-up QB syndrome gone mad. I sincerely hope this is a troll....
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 02, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Hold on... it's bad enough we're making statements that kids who aren't currently getting playing time (Dawson) are significantly better than kids with more experience and Buzz's faith that are actually on the court (DeWil)... now we're going to say our saviors are kids who aren't even here yet?! What in the world is going on lately? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! This is back-up QB syndrome gone mad. I sincerely hope this is a troll....
Didn't you know, the sky is falling.
Run for your lives!
Agreed, this is getting old.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 02, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Hold on... it's bad enough we're making statements that kids who aren't currently getting playing time (Dawson) are significantly better than kids with more experience and Buzz's faith that are actually on the court (DeWil)... now we're going to say our saviors are kids who aren't even here yet?! What in the world is going on lately? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! This is back-up QB syndrome gone mad.
That's right, we also need Philip Flory to knock down 3s, and as someone posted yesterday, Reily LaChance to be a leader and a winner.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 02, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Hold on... it's bad enough we're making statements that kids who aren't currently getting playing time (Dawson) are significantly better than kids with more experience and Buzz's faith that are actually on the court (DeWil)... now we're going to say our saviors are kids who aren't even here yet?! What in the world is going on lately? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! This is back-up QB syndrome gone mad. I sincerely hope this is a troll....
Not to mention kids who aren't guaranteed to attend MU.
Though I agree we could use a cocky SOB or two, since when does having a beer or a little of that stuff that's legal in Colorado make someone a tough physical bad boy?
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on December 03, 2013, 07:08:45 AM
Not to mention kids who aren't guaranteed to attend MU.
And who aren't even playing high school ball their senior year.
Lets keep taking cheap shots on high school players.In my opinion MU should have signed Riley LaChance.He is in the mold of Rick Olson,Frank Seckar and Travis Diener.How did those guys turn out as college players?I am not sure why Mu signed 2 point guards in the same class with Wilson and Dawson.The way the game is played you need some players that can make the 3 pt.shot.More teams are going to play zone now because of the way the game is called.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 03, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Lets keep taking cheap shots on high school players.In my opinion MU should have signed Riley LaChance.He is in the mold of Rick Olson,Frank Seckar and Travis Diener.How did those guys turn out as college players?I am not sure why Mu signed 2 point guards in the same class with Wilson and Dawson.The way the game is played you need some players that can make the 3 pt.shot.More teams are going to play zone now because of the way the game is called.
To play devil's advocate here, they have two PGs in this class...and one in 2015. I think there were concerns about his combination of size and quickness. Furthermore I think we are seeing in Jake Thomas what a shooter without quickness gets you.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 03, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Lets keep taking cheap shots on high school players.In my opinion MU should have signed Riley LaChance.He is in the mold of Rick Olson,Frank Seckar and Travis Diener.How did those guys turn out as college players?I am not sure why Mu signed 2 point guards in the same class with Wilson and Dawson.The way the game is played you need some players that can make the 3 pt.shot.More teams are going to play zone now because of the way the game is called.
Wilson made 60% of his 3pt in HS, and is a better shooter than LaChance. Riley is a nice player, but just wasnt Buzzball material. Would MU be better off now or in the future with LaChance instead of Dawson? I guess I don't see how.
Please do not compare Riley LaChance to Jake Thomas.Have you seen LaChance play?LaChance is a high major recruit at the D1 level.Jake is a walk on.Larry Bird was real fast.How about Matt Thomas?Guess you didn't want him either.We need some players that can shoot the ball.Do not need all athletic players.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 03, 2013, 07:50:01 AM
Please do not compare Riley LaChance to Jake Thomas.Have you seen LaChance play?LaChance is a high major recruit at the D1 level.Jake is a walk on.Larry Bird was real fast.How about Matt Thomas?Guess you didn't want him either.We need some players that can shoot the ball.Do not need all athletic players.
OK...I can't compare LaChance to Jake Thomas, but you can compare him to Larry Bird....who was a 6'9" forward???
I am just telling you why I believe that Buzz wasn't interested.
To simply call one a walk-on and the other a high D1 recruit would be lazy analysis.
I've seen Riley play since 7th grade since my kids are in BC system. Most people are surprised he went high D1 because while he is a very good player, he lacks great athleticism. He has high basketball IQ and is a very good shooter and hard worker. He really gets everything out of his ability. He had an amazing summer on the AAU circuit and he really exploded. Personally, I think it would have been a big gamble to sign him considering how Buzz runs his system. Bo and Gard were at a lot of his games, and there was no offer. Crean and Pitino (MN) had a private workouts and didn't offer. But in recruiting, all it takes is one coach to fall in love with you. I have no doubt we will be more than happy with Duane Wilson, who can do everything Lachance can, and them some. That is no knock on Riley, I just think Wilson's ceiling is higher. And while I'm no big fan of Jake, I would say he is more athletic and a far better defender than Riley, but that could just be age at this point. By my eyes, I would say they are both comparable long-range shooters. I think Riley has a much better driving game and knows how to score other ways than shooting 3s. Riley has more confidence and it shows. Who knows how it may change at the next level. I know the college game stats don't bear it out, but Jake is a good long-range shooter, that is why Buzz has him on the floor. Maybe he's a head case during games and will never be the shooter he is in practice?? I know I've told this story before, but during camp a few years back, Jake was helping my son in a 3-point drill and my son hit 9 in a row. Jake asked my son what he thought his (Jake's) personal record of made 3s in a row was. It was something like 58. Personally, I would like to see Jake off the bench for some heat checks — ride him when he's hot, put him on the shelf when he's not. We all have opinions, but at the end of the day, I trust Buzz and keep reminding myself of what MU Bball life was like in 1988.
LaChance was very close to getting an offer from Marquette. In fact, he may have received a conditional offer. If dominoes had fallen in a different way with a couple of Marquette freshman/2014 commits/2015 commits, Riley would have had an offer. Whether or not he had accepted it I do not know. Buzz was at multiple open gyms at BC this past summer.
As far as his game goes I agree he is obviously not the most athletically gifted player in the world, but he is a very polished offensive player. While he is obviously nowhere near as good nor will he ever be near as good, he plays much like a much shorter Doug McDermett (spelling). He scores the ball in every way, from 5 feet behind the 3 point line to posting up, can hit a step back fadaway mid range jumper, etc. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for in court vision and IQ. Completely opposite of his father (which who knows, maybe that's part of why Buzz and Bo didn't go all in), he seems to have his head on very straight.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 03, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Lets keep taking cheap shots on high school players.In my opinion MU should have signed Riley LaChance.He is in the mold of Rick Olson,Frank Seckar and Travis Diener.How did those guys turn out as college players?I am not sure why Mu signed 2 point guards in the same class with Wilson and Dawson.The way the game is played you need some players that can make the 3 pt.shot.More teams are going to play zone now because of the way the game is called.
If you don't want to see "cheap shots" taken at HS players perhaps you should stop setting them up as saviors.
And while I'm on the subject of setting up HS players as saviors, is it really your opinion, Raul, that a 6'7", 200 pound recruit is what MU needs to stop its upperclassmen from getting bullied in the paint?
Unless you are Kentucky or are very lucky, freshmen are rarely saviors. If Mr. Harris does what he needs to do to get to MU, then I will look forward to watching him play. But I do not expect him to be a program changer. I will continue to say this, MU needs to take it's summer trip next year so that all of the incoming frosh and sophs to be can all get on the same page. Their readiness dictates next year's outcome.
I haven't watched LaChance, but the staff watched him extensively and never offered. Heard a few times that MU was where he really wanted to go, so I think if Buzz wanted him he could have had him at any time. The kid clearly has some ability based on what scouts were saying and how he improved his stock, but I think it's pretty significant that he didn't end up with much high-major interest.
Now that Buzz has started recruiting at a higher level regularly, he seems more able to pick the type of players that fit the style he wants to play. I think we got a glimpse of that when Jae and DJO were upperclassmen because through JUCOs, he really had all his kind of guys. Going by reports, LaChance has the passing and shooting Buzz covets, but lacks a bit in the quickness and length that guys like Duane Wilson and Nick Noskowiak have. Both of those two excel at pushing the pace and I'm not sure that's LaChance's game. That's not to say he can't be a fine player at Vandy, just that Buzz already had Wilson and Dawson this year, another guy with some experience at the point in Cohen in 2014, and Noskowiak in 2015. That makes the point less of a priority in 2014 than a dominant scorer like Hill, a purebred switchable like Shayok, or a big like Pierce.
It's interesting that almost no one talked about LaChance when Aircraftcarrier started a thread on him then when Raul starts a thread on Harris, LaChance becomes the dominate topic. I guess that people needed to sit with the LaChance suggestion awhile.
Not sure how a kid who is in high school would make up for any perceived lack of toughness in our seniors.
As for the next couple of years, we already have a kid with plenty of muscle and toughness on the bench - Deonte. He may not be a savior this year, but he sure helps. And as the next couple of years go on, he could very well set the tone inside....
If only we had Flory this year, imagine the banners going up.
Is this thread a joke?
Yep.
While we are playing the imaginary members of this years team game...We need.
Travis Diener PG
Wesley Matthews SG.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 03, 2013, 01:35:42 PM
If only we had Flory this year, imagine the banners going up.
Don't forget Zaire Wade.
Guaranteed Final Four this year if we had him.
The front court should be our strength this year but it has been disappointing. When we had JUCOs like Jae, Lazar and Butler they had that edge and toughness that is missing this year. I think Deonte is that kind of person but at 6"4" there is only so much he can do. We have the talent to be really good but for some reason its been a struggle. I hope we don't get or butts kicked by UW.
Quote from: raul on December 03, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
The front court should be our strength this year but it has been disappointing. When we had JUCOs like Jae, Lazar and Butler they had that edge and toughness that is missing this year. I think Deonte is that kind of person but at 6"4" there is only so much he can do. We have the talent to be really good but for some reason its been a struggle. I hope we don't get or butts kicked by UW.
Oh the irony... :D
Didn't know Lazar was a JUCO. No wonder the cat talked to the departed, hey?
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 03, 2013, 11:36:43 AM
If you don't want to see "cheap shots" taken at HS players perhaps you should stop setting them up as saviors.
And while I'm on the subject of setting up HS players as saviors, is it really your opinion, Raul, that a 6'7", 200 pound recruit is what MU needs to stop its upperclassmen from getting bullied in the paint?
What are you typing about? What upperclassmen get bullied in the paint? Devante was sick...Chris doesn't get bullied.
I assume you mean Taylor but he is not an upperclass men and they have Jamil at PG or Point Forward now.
They are not getting bullied, it is just that the rule change where you can't touch anybody anymore has hurt MU a bit.
MU is going to have to adapt and take advantage of that and have their guys attack the basket and push the tempo more or throw it down low.
They are not being bullied, they just can't shoot with any confidence and hit shots to make it easier for teams to play them honestly and double down on the Bigs.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on December 03, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Lets keep taking cheap shots on high school players.
Boy, I hope this wasn't directed at pointing out things like "Malek Harris verbally committed but didn't sign" and "Malek Harris isn't playing high school basketball."
Quote from: raul on December 03, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
The front court should be our strength this year but it has been disappointing. When we had JUCOs like Jae, Lazar and Butler they had that edge and toughness that is missing this year.
So last year, when MU went to the Elite 8, who was that guy? Front line is almost identical this year.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 04, 2013, 07:39:10 AM
So last year, when MU went to the Elite 8, who was that guy? Front line is almost identical this year.
Hmmm ...
The frontcourt personnel is the exact same this season but the group has been less effective.
There are 3 possible explanations for this:
1. The forwards have underperformed.
2. The significantly lower skill level in the backcourt has made it more difficult for the frontcourt to excel.
3. Some combination of both 1 and 2.
I opt for 3, but others might disagree.
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
Hmmm ...
The frontcourt personnel is the exact same this season but the group has been less effective.
There are 3 possible explanations for this:
1. The forwards have underperformed.
2. The significantly lower skill level in the backcourt has made it more difficult for the frontcourt to excel.
3. Some combination of both 1 and 2.
I opt for 3, but others might disagree.
Or, they've played a grand total of 8 games, have looked good in some, and not so good in others, and its just too soon to judge. I'm gonna go that route.
Still say Davante being very sick on Sunday lowered his game enough to affect the result of the game.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
As far as his game goes I agree he is obviously not the most athletically gifted player in the world, but he is a very polished offensive player. While he is obviously nowhere near as good nor will he ever be near as good, he plays much like a much shorter Doug McDermett (spelling). He scores the ball in every way, from 5 feet behind the 3 point line to posting up, can hit a step back fadaway mid range jumper, etc. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for in court vision and IQ. Completely opposite of his father (which who knows, maybe that's part of why Buzz and Bo didn't go all in), he seems to have his head on very straight.
Have you watched McDermott play? If so, how can you seriously be comparing him, a 6'8 225 lb forward, to a 6'2 160 lb guard? McDermott regularly posts up using his big body and IQ to get position and easy points. There is no way in hell that Riley LaChance could do the same at the high D1 level.
Quote from: newsdrms on December 04, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
Still say Davante being very sick on Sunday lowered his game enough to affect the result of the game.
Agreed. Not many acknowledging this point here. I'm not saying we definitely would have won with DG healthy, but it would have been a much different game.
Quote from: MUSF on December 04, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
Agreed. Not many acknowledging this point here. I'm not saying we definitely would have won with DG healthy, but it would have been a much different game.
Big SHEESH is no Joe Chapman when it comes to puking and playing.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 04, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
Big SHEESH is no Joe Chapman when it comes to puking and playing.
BTW, is anybody else surprised that officials let ill players participate? Doesn't seem very safe IMO.
Quote from: MUSF on December 04, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
BTW, is anybody else surprised that officials let ill players participate? Doesn't seem very safe IMO.
Yeah, I never thought of that.
A guy gets a teeny, tiny cut that drips one drop of blood and they make him leave the court lest everybody gets AIDS. But a guy can have freakin' TB and be coughing and sweating all over people and it's A-OK.
Quote from: MUSF on December 04, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
BTW, is anybody else surprised that officials let ill players participate? Doesn't seem very safe IMO.
The SDSU guy had a hard hand cast on for goodness sake. Gardner got elbowed under the chin in full view of everybody without a review. You want Tom Eades deciding the medical health of each player on the floor? He couldn't even get the basketball calls right he was supposed to make.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
The SDSU guy had a hard hand cast on for goodness sake. Gardner got elbowed under the chin in full view of everybody without a review. You want Tom Eades deciding the medical health of each player on the floor? He couldn't even get the basketball calls right he was supposed to make.
I'm not asking the officials to do medical checkups at half court, but if a guy is puking on the bench, I think they could determine that he is sick.
There was a guy with a hand cast?!? I'm surprised that didn't get mentioned during the broadcast. ;)
Quote from: MUSF on December 04, 2013, 08:56:39 PM
I'm not asking the officials to do medical checkups at half court, but if a guy is puking on the bench, I think they could determine that he is sick.
There was a guy with a hand cast?!? I'm surprised that didn't get mentioned during the broadcast. ;)
I was at the game...I didn't see the broadcast...but each team has a trainer and team doctor on its bench...what qualifies a referee to make medical judgments? With blood, it is to stop play, get it cleaned up, and have the player checked out by the same medical professionals before returning. If Gardner was puking on the court, it would be the same procedure. Stop play, clean it up, have the medical professionals tend to him. Once he was cleared by them, he is free to return.
So again, why would a referee be qualified to make that medical call? Theoretically, if Gardner was not allowed to play again by a basketball referee, MU could claim it is unfair he was being excluded as their medical professionals said he was okay..and Buzz would point out the Cast Man and say you favoring one team over the other in a health matter you know nothing about.
Would I let Tim Higgins pick out my scotch? Yes. Would I let him determine if I had the flu or food poisoning? No.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2013, 09:11:51 PM
I was at the game...I didn't see the broadcast...but each team has a trainer and team doctor on its bench...what qualifies a referee to make medical judgments? With blood, it is to stop play, get it cleaned up, and have the player checked out by the same medical professionals before returning. If Gardner was puking on the court, it would be the same procedure. Stop play, clean it up, have the medical professionals tend to him. Once he was cleared by them, he is free to return.
So again, why would a referee be qualified to make that medical call? Theoretically, if Gardner was not allowed to play again by a basketball referee, MU could claim it is unfair he was being excluded as their medical professionals said he was okay..and Buzz would point out the Cast Man and say you favoring one team over the other in a health matter you know nothing about.
Would I let Tim Higgins pick out my scotch? Yes. Would I let him determine if I had the flu or food poisoning? No.
I don't know... just an observation. I haven't spent more than 2 minutes thinking about this, so I am not exactly sure how it would work. I'm just a little surprised that the NCAA doesn't have some sort of rule on this.
Also, I'm assuming cast man's broken hand isn't contagious. I do know that he wouldn't be allowed to play without padding on it, and hitting someone in the face with your hand is supposed to be a foul anyway.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2013, 06:18:48 AM
Didn't know Lazar was a JUCO. No wonder the cat talked to the departed, hey?
Not only that, but he mentions Burton being
only 6'4", and both Jae and Lazar were both 6'4" when measured at the combine.
Lets not get caught up in the details and miss the spirit(like Jae was measured at 6'4" at the combine ) well he was listed at 6"6" or 6'7" by MU and who knows what Deonte gets listed at the combine in a few years? Yes it's almost the same front line as last year but they have not improved in fact I think they took a step backwards, but it is still early and they can improve. My point is that the front line is not playing like they should and that's the plain truth. If you don't see that then you will not expect the players to live up their potential.
Quote from: MUSF on December 04, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
BTW, is anybody else surprised that officials let ill players participate? Doesn't seem very safe IMO.
Referees (in almost every case) are not physicians while teams have physicians working for them. In such circumstances, leaving that decision to the teams would seem to be the way to go. Let refs concentrate on the job they're there to do which is hard enough in itself.
It makes sense for the officials to get involved in the blood thing,
because its been determined before hand by the NCAA that there is a risk involved in that and the officials-owing to their proximity to the players-are in the best position to see blood the earliest.
A guy throwing up on the sideline is sick, but is he contagious so as to be a risk to others or too sick to play? Those are a questions for a doctor.
Verbalcommits.com is a good source of offers and updates. When you click on a prospect, it also shows you his most recent tweets. Looks like Juan Anderson thinks Malek Harris is coming to Milwaukee next year:
Juan Anderson @juanonjuan10 15h
@24_MoneyTeam_10 enjoy it young bro. See you in a few months. Keep grinding
This team is too soft when it comes to their bigs. Outrebounded 39-20 is a shame.