Apologize if anyone has already started this thread, but I really liked what I saw out of Burton. He reminds me a bit of Wes as a freshman the way he attacks the hoop and plays in the post.
He's a lot stronger around the hoop than even junior Wes was.
Quote from: chris006 on November 13, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
Apologize if anyone has already started this thread, but I really liked what I saw out of Burton. He reminds me a bit of Wes as a freshman the way he attacks the hoop and plays in the post.
Everyone looks good against a "team" like Grambling. But unless he plays defense he won't see much more than 5 - 8 minutes a game once we start playing real teams.
That being said, you are right that the talent is there. I think he's an all-conf player by his senior year.
Uber talented...loved the power two foot jump stop/hop to basket he used a couple of times. They don't make many 6'5" guys his weight/build that can explode and elevate like he can. Brevin Knight even through out a Charles Barkley reference....
Think he can definitely be a 10-15 minute contributor this season in conference play - he's absolutely physically ready...and a very assertive, physical presence. He's the bull that we need Jamil to be..
Quote from: Ners on November 13, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
Uber talented...loved the power two foot jump stop/hop to basket he used a couple of times. They don't make many 6'5" guys his weight/build that can explode and elevate like he can. Brevin Knight even through out a Charles Barkley reference....
Think he can definitely be a 10-15 minute contributor this season in conference play - he's absolutely physically ready...and a very assertive, physical presence. He's the bull that we need Jamil to be..
He also seems like the type of player that can gain confidence quickly. He isn't shy about shooting the ball. We could use some more guys with that mentality. I think his % will improve the more he gets used to the team and pace of the college game.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on November 13, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
He also seems like the type of player that can gain confidence quickly. He isn't shy about shooting the ball. We could use some more guys with that mentality. I think his % will improve the more he gets used to the team and pace of the college game.
That's what I like best about him - too often we haven't had enough of that kind of aggressive player on offense. Just imagine Jamil with Deonte's aggressiveness on offense.
jamil would be a top 10 pick if he had deontes aggresiveness... lol
Quote from: brandx on November 13, 2013, 12:43:41 PM
That's what I like best about him - too often we haven't had enough of that kind of aggressive player on offense. Just imagine Jamil with Deonte's aggressiveness on offense.
Jamel, it seems will never be a take charge guy, nor does MU go out of there way to get him more shoots. He seemed a little more assertive yesterday but still has a ways to go.
The game yesterday was no more than a scrimmage, but for the freshman and even Jake Thomas, it probably got some of there jitters out of the way. Jake needed a game like
that, happy for him, the freshman gave us hope for the future. To bad Duane is hurt. With all the guards back next year except Thomas, add 2 to replace him, it should be fun
to watch again next year. Hill and Cohen look a little more on the physical side for guards which they will need.
I like what I'm seeing from Deonte as well. He has that knack for always being around the ball so even if he's not shooting a great % he seems to find offensive rebounds and I definitely like his aggressiveness. He will be a good one.
Deonte is not your avg freshman, he's a star in the making. You will all soon understand.
He's already a top 5 player on this team. Will finish 3rd or 4th in scoring. Gardner, J Wilson, Deonte, Steve and Todd will be your top 5. He will be playing 20-25 mins each game, in the very near future. Similar minutes to Devante. #diaperdandy.
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 01:37:57 PM
Deonte is not your avg freshman, he's a star in the making. You will all soon understand.
He's already a top 5 player on this team. Will finish 3rd or 4th in scoring. Gardner, J Wilson, Deonte, Steve and Todd will be your top 5. He will be playing 20-25 mins each game, in the very near future. Similar minutes to Devante. #diaperdandy.
I want to see him defend against "non-SWAC" competition before saying he will average 20-25 mpg.
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 01:37:57 PM
Deonte is not your avg freshman, he's a star in the making. You will all soon understand.
He's already a top 5 player on this team. Will finish 3rd or 4th in scoring. Gardner, J Wilson, Deonte, Steve and Todd will be your top 5. He will be playing 20-25 mins each game, in the very near future. Similar minutes to Devante. #diaperdandy.
Who's Devante?
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 01:37:57 PM
Deonte is not your avg freshman, he's a star in the making. You will all soon understand.
He's already a top 5 player on this team. Will finish 3rd or 4th in scoring. Gardner, J Wilson, Deonte, Steve and Todd will be your top 5. He will be playing 20-25 mins each game, in the very near future. Similar minutes to Devante. #diaperdandy.
Agree with this. The guy will be a stud, very soon. He has the body, the aggressiveness and knack. Just too bad he is 6'4". He can bang with many bigger guys, but a couple more inches would make him awesome. He just needs to continue to work on his shot. All the tools will then be there.
Say what you want about the pro am, but you can tell a lot about a players makeup. McKay was kind of laid back. Burton was a bull in the china shop. When he was matched up against Tokoto he repeatedly challenged Tokoto as they both tried to outdo the other. Jamil played in that same game like it did not matter to him. I love Burton's take no prisoner attitude.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 13, 2013, 01:50:37 PM
Agree with this. The guy will be a stud, very soon. He has the body, the aggressiveness and knack. Just too bad he is 6'4". He can bang with many bigger guys, but a couple more inches would make him awesome. He just needs to continue to work on his shot. All the tools will then be there.
I think that makes him a four year player, so that is okay with me.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on November 13, 2013, 01:47:25 PM
Who's Devante?
I don't know why I typed that (maybe reading too much jsonline), I know his name is Ox.
Deonte will be just fine on the defensive end of the floor. Not All frosh are bad defenders, just most.
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
I don't know why I typed that (maybe reading too much jsonline), I know his name is Ox.
Deonte will be just fine on the defensive end of the floor. Not All frosh are bad defenders, just most.
Wasn't very good defensively against the worst team in the country - but at least the effort was there. He will learn what Buzz wants on that end of the floor - but I don't see 20-25 minutes this year.
Quote from: bilsu on November 13, 2013, 01:58:50 PM
I think that makes him a four year player, so that is okay with me.
Agree. If he was 6'7" he'd probably be at Kentucky interviewing guys to be his agent.
There were a few who stood out as bad defensively last night. I won't name them, but Burton wasn't one of them.
Defense is almost always 90% effort, much of the time.
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
There were a few who stood out as bad defensively last night. I won't name them, but Burton wasn't one of them.
Defense is almost always 90% effort, much of the time.
Ill call one of them out for you JJJ was absolutely brutal on the defensive end.
Quote from: esard2011 on November 13, 2013, 02:21:27 PM
Ill call one of them out for you JJJ was absolutely brutal on the defensive end.
Was that really necessary? He's played like 25 mins of D1 be all. If you want to call someone out you could choose a 5th yr senior starter who got beat off the dribble more times than I can count.
Quote from: esard2011 on November 13, 2013, 02:21:27 PM
Ill call one of them out for you JJJ was absolutely brutal on the defensive end.
Let him get acclimated to the speed of the game at this level... I'm sure Buzz is working him hard in practice and he won't put a frosh on the floor if he can't play any defense. So I think it's just a matter of adjusting.
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on November 13, 2013, 03:00:57 PM
Let him get acclimated to the speed of the game at this level... I'm sure Buzz is working him hard in practice and he won't put a frosh on the floor if he can't play any defense. So I think it's just a matter of adjusting.
That was my point. These guys are freshman. And Buzz is very specific in what he wants to do on defense. It just takes time.
Deonte, with his build and inside game, reminds a Lamar Hayward. To Bad he's only 6-4 or 5.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 13, 2013, 04:06:26 PM
Deonte, with his build and inside game, reminds a Lamar Hayward. To Bad he's only 6-4 or 5.
Well I mean so was Lazar.
I think you will see more minutes from the freshmen than in past years. We need the guards to play to upgrade and Burton will get minutes. I would be very surprised if Burton, JJJ and Wilson are not logging big minutes in 2nd half of season.
Quote from: Ners on November 13, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
Uber talented...loved the power two foot jump stop/hop to basket he used a couple of times. They don't make many 6'5" guys his weight/build that can explode and elevate like he can. Brevin Knight even through out a Charles Barkley reference....
Think he can definitely be a 10-15 minute contributor this season in conference play - he's absolutely physically ready...and a very assertive, physical presence. He's the bull that we need Jamil to be..
It was said a while ago Burton should be nicknamed the "Bull".
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39364.msg507775#msg507775
He is a Beast down low coming off that baseline I can't think of anyone I'd rather have.
Deonte is Bane.
Burton is as good as Jayvaughn Pinkston is now. That's the comparison. Watching Pinkston's activity down the stretch last season has been watching Burton the last two games. He will come in and out of that form this season but that is the least amount of procuction I'd expect from him.
The few games I saw burton as a high school player I was not impressed but this year he seems to be more aggressive and sure of himself. He is like a bull and very confident. Love it
I also have thought it was too bad he was 6'4". He seems to be slated as a 2/3 player that will have to slide over to the undersized 4 position to get more minutes. In the southern game he had to guard much bigger players and was fearless, even when he got beat. But in reading this thread I have decided that him being a "bull" in a 6'4" body is a plus. He looks like he has very good ball handling skills to go along with explosiveness and a left handed shot. If he is a guard like Wes Matthews instead of a PF like Lazar, his height and strength suddenly becomes an advantage. A wing player who can create on a dribble drive and post up and defend multiple positions on the court. I think he is going to be very very good
He was poorly coached in high school.
The lack of height isn't going to hurt him in college. You can be plenty effective as an undersized, brutish player. Unless he develops his offensive game almost completely, it is tough to see him at the next level, but there is plenty of time to worry about that.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 13, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
Burton is as good as Jayvaughn Pinkston is now. That's the comparison. Watching Pinkston's activity down the stretch last season has been watching Burton the last two games. He will come in and out of that form this season but that is the least amount of procuction I'd expect from him.
This is a good comparison. Deonte being left handed is an added bonus.
i agree with several others commenting about how good it is to see Burton being aggressive on offense. Wish Jamil and Juan would take note and copy. Burton was touted as 6'5" as a Junior in high school. How did he shrink an inch at MU? The same thing happened to Steve Taylor who was 6'8" in high school. Is there something in the Milwaukee water that shrinks our players?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 14, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
i agree with several others commenting about how good it is to see Burton being aggressive on offense. Wish Jamil and Juan would take note and copy. Burton was touted as 6'5" as a Junior in high school. How did he shrink an inch at MU? The same thing happened to Steve Taylor who was 6'8" in high school. Is there something in the Milwaukee water that shrinks our players?
I looked at the official roster to see what he was listed as. He is listed as 6"4". Duane Wilson is listed as 6'2", so he also shrunk an inch.
Even more mysteriously MU players seem to shrink even more when they enter the NBA.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 14, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
He was poorly coached in high school.
The lack of height isn't going to hurt him in college. You can be plenty effective as an undersized, brutish player. Unless he develops his offensive game almost completely, it is tough to see him at the next level, but there is plenty of time to worry about that.
You can always work with your dad to get transferred to TN!
Quote from: esard2011 on November 14, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
Even more mysteriously MU players seem to shrink even more when they enter the NBA.
Yeah, I think Jae is now listed at 5' 11".
Quote from: jsglow on November 14, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
Yeah, I think Jae is now listed at 5' 11".
So he shaved his head, then?
Remember when people said Jimmy Butler was not the leader we needed him to be early in his senior season and that he wasn't aggressive enough? Yeah, I think that turned out OK for us and for him. I'll bring this thread back up when JWil follows the same path as Jimmy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 14, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
brutish player
Brutish has a pejorative connotation. Muscular, ferocious, or pugnacious might be less detractive.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 13, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
Burton is as good as Jayvaughn Pinkston is now. That's the comparison. Watching Pinkston's activity down the stretch last season has been watching Burton the last two games. He will come in and out of that form this season but that is the least amount of procuction I'd expect from him.
I love Burton's upside, but I'd maybe temper those expectations. Pinkston is averaging 21.5 ppg this year after averaging 13.3 ppg and 5 rpg a year ago. Putting a kid in that category based on two games, especially when the breakout performance was against Grambling, might be a bit premature.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
Remember when people said Jimmy Butler was not the leader we needed him to be early in his senior season and that he wasn't aggressive enough? Yeah, I think that turned out OK for us and for him. I'll bring this thread back up when JWil follows the same path as Jimmy.
I hope so bad that you're right.
At the pro-am Jamil gets downright pissed, but he smiles through it. I hope he gets comfortable with his emotions and learns to channel his rage. Keeping it bottled up is for freshmen and entry-level employees.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 14, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
He was poorly coached in high school.
The lack of height isn't going to hurt him in college. You can be plenty effective as an undersized, brutish player. Unless he develops his offensive game almost completely, it is tough to see him at the next level, but there is plenty of time to worry about that.
Burton+30lbs of muscle= All pro TE, I can see him at that next level. Am I the first to state this? Not advocating MU bring back football..... I'm just saying....
Quote from: john31 on November 14, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
Burton+30lbs of muscle= All pro TE, I can see him at that next level. Am I the first to state this? Not advocating MU bring back football..... I'm just saying....
Did he play football in high school? Did he ever play tight end?
The guys (ex-basketball players) in the NFL were all football players before they got to the NFL
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 13, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
There were a few who stood out as bad defensively last night. I won't name them, but Burton wasn't one of them.
Defense is almost always 90% effort, much of the time.
I'd say that your statement is 100% true 65% of the time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 14, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
He was poorly coached in high school.
The lack of height isn't going to hurt him in college. You can be plenty effective as an undersized, brutish player.
See DJO.
Quote from: Stronghold on November 15, 2013, 10:14:43 AM
See DJO.
The aggressive offensive player is going to get the calls. Even if Deonte doesn't shoot a great %, he will be an outstanding player by his Jr. & Sr. seasons because he will be at the line so much.
People criticized the refs when it came to guys kike Jordan, Erving, Kobe, etc. always "getting" the calls. They got those calls because they were always taking it to the hole.
Ruben Patterson had a lot of success in college and a long pro career. He was another 6'5" athletic freak. Dude had long arms though, great defender. Not sure about Burton's wing span or his defensive abilities.