No one taking the ball to the rim. We either pounded it inside or took a 3 point shot. Rarely did we get a paint touch on dribble penetration. Mayo had a couple good moves...both Wilsons had a couple...but outside of that pretty much nothing. Could be a problem.
ugly O, especially in 2nd half.
13 FG's made in the entire game?
amazing.
Didn't see the game, but I do know Southern has some interior D talent that is rare for its level - specifically Calvin Godfrey, a Milwaukee/Minneapolis kid who spent a little time at Iowa State. He's a big, physical D-I talent.
And he's new there this year... to a team that was actually among the NCAA's best in defensive 2FG%.
So... not making excuses, but for MU to not convert a lot of 2FG's.. what were they at? Looks like 39%ish? Which is about what Southern gave up last year.. 40.5%ish.
OR's & TO's concerning as well... but again, good defense relative to the quality of Southern overall. .89 ppp is pretty brutal... looks like 63 pts in 71 possessions...
Anyway... blabbing, but for now more worried about trends and playing this poorly offensively against a bad defense, which I'd say Southern isn't....although Hiroshima is nice this time of year.
The team is obviously in the early stages (the earliest stage) of discovering who they are, but how nice is it to have a couple of scorers that can carry the load until the rest of the team catches up, which won't be long, hopefully. We have rarely had a tandem like this step up early on and post legit point totals--it's nice. It's guys like Gardner, Mayo, and J. Wilson that are going to keep us from dropping one to a cupcake (and gulp, destroying our RPI).
This game did nothing to relieve my fears of our point guard situation. Offensively Derrick looks pretty much like the same guy that finished the year. If your point guard can't drive, can't finish, can't shoot the 3 and can't make free throws your offense is going to bog down. One positive was that Dawson didn't look totally lost. He should be an adequate backup. But Duane Wilson can't get healthy soon enough and until he does the offense will struggle.
53 free throw attempts. Southern was hacking at every opportunity. I am sure that had something to do with our fg% and ugly offensive performance.
Nothing to worry about. As Jay Bee pointed out, Southern is not a bad team. How quickly we forget that they made 1-seed Gonzaga look bad last March. The game was never in doubt. There are wrinkles to iron out, but this game was our version of the exhibition game. Work out the kinks and get the W. That's all that matters. We did both.
Where was the OReb'ing though? Big Steve we need that 15.5% again this year!!
@JBBauer612
#mubb's 13.3 OR% was lower tonight than any game last yr. It was closer to 19% excl'g DR of MU FT misses but still, rough.
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on November 08, 2013, 11:07:23 PM
53 free throw attempts. Southern was hacking at every opportunity. I am sure that had something to do with our fg% and ugly offensive performance.
No way to get any rhythm or even a lot of shots when you are at the line all night.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 08, 2013, 11:26:06 PM
Where was the OReb'ing though? Big Steve we need that 15.5% again this year!!
@JBBauer612
#mubb's 13.3 OR% was lower tonight than any game last yr. It was closer to 19% excl'g DR of MU FT misses but still, rough.
MU's 36 FG attempts were the fewest (tied) it has attempted in a game in Statsheet's recorded history. Hard to rebound when fouled every time down the court.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/stats?season1=1997&season2=2012&conf=&team=marquette&stat=fg_attempted&low=1
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on November 08, 2013, 11:07:23 PM
53 free throw attempts. Southern was hacking at every opportunity. I am sure that had something to do with our fg% and ugly offensive performance.
Let's keep making the free throws and let teams hack away. Need to make the freebies. I don't think we can rely too heavily on a great offensive perimeter game and need to make teams pay on the line.
Let's keep in mind that every year Buzz starts with the defense and once that is installed focuses on the offense. Given the new rules or emphasis or whatever it is, it will likely take longer to get the defense up and running, hence the offense will struggle for a while. Let's talk at the end of the non-con where the offense is and then panic.
d. wilson was the only player that really disappointed me. obviously mayo played well, which was a question mark. i didn't think j wilson played great, but it seemed that he was anxious to show he's improved his outside shot (which wasn't bad to start). gardner and otule are known commodities. the freshmen were freshmen. i guess taylor jr. disappointed to a degree as well. it just worries me that d. wilson didn't do anything offensively, can't make free throws, and buzz needed to play him 34 minutes. the fact that he played 34 minutes and only got to the line twice is bothersome in itself. we'll see, but i think that's going to be a problem for mu this year.
Thank goodness it's a big man's game or the current lack of a high major 1 guard would be bitin' Buzz in the ass.
The 2nd half was hard to watch. I know its the first game of the year and Southern kept committing fouls but the offense was disappointing.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 09, 2013, 04:56:12 PM
Thank goodness it's a big man's game or the current lack of a high major 1 guard would be bitin' Buzz in the ass.
The season is young, plenty of ass-biting in the future if we don't get some better guard play
Remember guys, Buzz doesn't do THAT much "coaching" in the non-conference season. It's more "teaching".
He was certainly into the game emotionally, and diagramming plays... but he was also letting the guys struggle through some growing pains. Buzz views these games as a teaching and learning opportunity.
We have seen this every year. It's not new.
I don't know if you will ever see a Buzz Williams team come in with a solidified rotation and blow the doors off early season non-conf. opponents. He's always going to be tinkering, especially when there is depth.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 10, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Remember guys, Buzz doesn't do THAT much "coaching" in the non-conference season. It's more "teaching".
He was certainly into the game emotionally, and diagramming plays... but he was also letting the guys struggle through some growing pains. Buzz views these games as a teaching and learning opportunity.
We have seen this every year. It's not new.
I don't know if you will ever see a Buzz Williams team come in with a solidified rotation and blow the doors off early season non-conf. opponents. He's always going to be tinkering, especially when there is depth.
+1000
Quote from: mu03eng on November 09, 2013, 04:28:02 PM
Let's keep in mind that every year Buzz starts with the defense and once that is installed focuses on the offense. Given the new rules or emphasis or whatever it is, it will likely take longer to get the defense up and running, hence the offense will struggle for a while. Let's talk at the end of the non-con where the offense is and then panic.
Okay, just as long as we still get to panic.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 09, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
d. wilson was the only player that really disappointed me.
Why did he disappoint you? He is not a scorer and you are going to be disappointed all year, if you expect scoring out of him. He drove to the rim twice and got fouled twice. Officially he had no shots. 1-4 four from free throw line is not good. However, what is better no field goals on no shots or JJJ having no field goals on four shots? I would say Otule was disappointing, because I am expect him to make some baskets and he did not. Juan was disappointing also as I expected more out of him. Derrick exceeded my expectations, because I thought he would have trouble with the hand check rules and he did not.
Buzz is breaking in 3 freshman guards, a new starting PG, giving one of his SG's his first consistent run in 2 years. He hasn't put in an offense yet. As always, he is working on defense first. OF COURSE THERE WERE OFFENSE ISSUES. He teaches his players concepts, how to play, first. Then he installs an offense. He is willing to look bad in November in order to look good in March. Who here can question the results?
For the first time in Buzz's time at MU, he is breaking in an inexperienced backcourt all at once. Do the math. There will be struggles as the new guys figure out how to play buzzball. Start worrying if MU still looks bad in February.
Quote from: bilsu on November 10, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Why did he disappoint you? He is not a scorer and you are going to be disappointed all year, if you expect scoring out of him. He drove to the rim twice and got fouled twice. Officially he had no shots. 1-4 four from free throw line is not good. However, what is better no field goals on no shots or JJJ having no field goals on four shots? I would say Otule was disappointing, because I am expect him to make some baskets and he did not. Juan was disappointing also as I expected more out of him. Derrick exceeded my expectations, because I thought he would have trouble with the hand check rules and he did not.
the disappointing part was that he needs to play better for mu to be legit. i don't believe anyone on mu, especially otule, will take a step backward over the off-season, so i'm not concerned about him.
so it was disappointing that in a game when fouls were being called so closely, our point guard played 34 minutes and only got to the line twice. you stated in your post that he drove twice and got fouled twice...if he could make a damn free-throw he should have been driving all day. i'm not expecting scoring, but if he's just in the game to bring the ball up the court, that's no reason to play him. he has to be able to attack the basket, and i'm yet to hear anyone with a suggestion as to what mu will do at the end of games, when they need to ensure they don't turn the ball over and make free-throws.
I think calming down would do people some good. Derrick wasn't great. But he wasn't bad. He's never going to be a big scorer...so I think we can just forget about him becoming one. But if he continues to play solid defense and get the ball to others in a position to score, that might be enough. You don't need every player score. Will it be as the season rolls on? I don't know. But he is the best option right now.
Quote from: bilsu on November 10, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Why did he disappoint you? He is not a scorer and you are going to be disappointed all year, if you expect scoring out of him. He drove to the rim twice and got fouled twice. Officially he had no shots. 1-4 four from free throw line is not good. However, what is better no field goals on no shots or JJJ having no field goals on four shots? I would say Otule was disappointing, because I am expect him to make some baskets and he did not. Juan was disappointing also as I expected more out of him. Derrick exceeded my expectations, because I thought he would have trouble with the hand check rules and he did not.
He disappointed me because as a point guard he did not create any offense for the rest of his teammates. That is job number 1 of a pg.
I was not disappointed by Otule. He didn't take any shots because he was fouled every time he got the ball. He needs to make his FTs though. but 0 shots and 8 FTs is solid for 16 minutes. He also had a block and a steal and matched Devante for rebounds during that 16 minutes. He did what he is suppose to. Play solid defense (block and a steal) and not make mistakes on offense. He hits 6 out of 8 FTs instead and he is one of the best players on the floor for the night.
I'll agree that Juan did struggle a bit. I think the problem though is that he has an ill defined role on the team right now and doesn't have a pg to get him the ball in a position to score. The TOs were a big issue.
For What it's worth-----We should been sitting on Sam Dekker's doorstep during recruiting. Also, Bronson Koenig should be a
WARRIOR! I like the Wisconsin players we have, but we blew it on these two. Luke Fischer isn't bad either.
Dekker had no interest in coming to MU. It was never going to happen so it would have been a waste of time.
And I have no idea why you would want Koenig when MU signed Duane Wilson. I think they got the PG that fits their system better. Time will tell who actually is the better player however.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 10, 2013, 11:11:44 AM
Dekker had no interest in coming to MU. It was never going to happen so it would have been a waste of time.
And I have no idea why you would want Koenig when MU signed Duane Wilson. I think they got the PG that fits their system better. Time will tell who actually is the better player however.
Was about to post the exact same thing. I like what Wilson offers Marquette. He just needs to get healthy.
Why would you want Koenig with Wilson...note that Koenig got exactly 1 minute in garbage time for UW on Friday. Clearly not an option for a starting role at UW or MU this season. I think we got the better player in Wilson.
Quote from: forgetful on November 10, 2013, 10:59:25 AM
He disappointed me because as a point guard he did not create any offense for the rest of his teammates. That is job number 1 of a pg.
I was not disappointed by Otule. He didn't take any shots because he was fouled every time he got the ball. He needs to make his FTs though. but 0 shots and 8 FTs is solid for 16 minutes. He also had a block and a steal and matched Devante for rebounds during that 16 minutes. He did what he is suppose to. Play solid defense (block and a steal) and not make mistakes on offense. He hits 6 out of 8 FTs instead and he is one of the best players on the floor for the night.
I'll agree that Juan did struggle a bit. I think the problem though is that he has an ill defined role on the team right now and doesn't have a pg to get him the ball in a position to score. The TOs were a big issue.
I did not see the game, so my only question is who fed the ball to DG so that he got fouled 10 times while in the act of shooting? Was Derrick not the guy on at least some of those post feeds? Is that not creating offense?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 10, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
I did not see the game, so my only question is who fed the ball to DG so that he got fouled 10 times while in the act of shooting? Was Derrick not the guy on at least some of those post feeds? Is that not creating offense?
Honestly, I don't know how often he fed the post. My recollection is that it was largely a team effort. The only one in particular that I can remember feeding the post well was Jake. Because he had an early nice feed that led to a score.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but isn't it possible Buzz is telling derrick to play exactly this way? Play D, no turnovers, "manage the game". Sure, it'd be great if he was scoring dozens of points. But, even if he could, couldn't buzz be telling him to not try?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 10, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
I did not see the game, so my only question is who fed the ball to DG so that he got fouled 10 times while in the act of shooting? Was Derrick not the guy on at least some of those post feeds? Is that not creating offense?
Derrick had at least a couple of those. Wilson's biggest problem is that he's such a different player than what we are accustomed to. When they were on, guys like Junior, Buycks, and James looked fantastic. But all three could also look very bad if they were off their game. With DeWil, I think we'll consistently get game-manager numbers. 3-7 points, 2-4 assists, but also 0-2 turnovers.
If we have consistent offense from the rest of the team and great defense, that can be enough. I don't imagine many people will ever be happy with Derrick. That doesn't mean we can't still achieve great success with him holding the reins.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
For What it's worth-----We should been sitting on Sam Dekker's doorstep during recruiting. Also, Bronson Koenig should be a
WARRIOR! I like the Wisconsin players we have, but we blew it on these two. Luke Fischer isn't bad either.
IIRC, Dekker committed after his sophomore year to UW and there was no recruiting battle. And Bronson Koenig is healthy and can't get off of the bench for more than a token minute, and that is only when the first and second string PG's were in foul trouble. And then SJU started their run. I will take the injured DuWilson. And MU has commitments from a couple more Wisconsin natives in the pipeline.
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
And MU has commitments from a couple more Wisconsin natives
Cohen and who?
http://sports.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Nick-Noskowiak-134567;_ylt=Avsz0e0ZKCmrIk9gxaMbn8fVO5B4
NICK NOSKOWIAK FROM SUN PRAIRIE. KOENIG WILL BE DARN GOOD NEXT YEAR. WILL BE SUPRISED IF HE
ISN'T. WOULD TAKE A TRADITIONAL WHO MAKES THE PLAY RATHER THAN FLASH. NICK IS A HEADY PLAYER
WHO CAN DRAIN THE THREE.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
NICK NOSKOWIAK FROM SUN PRAIRIE. KOENIG WILL BE DARN GOOD NEXT YEAR. WILL BE SUPRISED IF HE
ISN'T. WOULD TAKE A TRADITIONAL WHO MAKES THE PLAY RATHER THAN FLASH. NICK IS A HEADY PLAYER
WHO CAN DRAIN THE THREE.
This is the Earl Tatum-ist post ever.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
NICK NOSKOWIAK FROM SUN PRAIRIE. KOENIG WILL BE DARN GOOD NEXT YEAR. WILL BE SUPRISED IF HE
ISN'T. WOULD TAKE A TRADITIONAL WHO MAKES THE PLAY RATHER THAN FLASH. NICK IS A HEADY PLAYER
WHO CAN DRAIN THE THREE.
Woo.....
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
NICK NOSKOWIAK FROM SUN PRAIRIE. KOENIG WILL BE DARN GOOD NEXT YEAR. WILL BE SUPRISED IF HE
ISN'T. WOULD TAKE A TRADITIONAL WHO MAKES THE PLAY RATHER THAN FLASH. NICK IS A HEADY PLAYER
WHO CAN DRAIN THE THREE.
THEN YOU MUST LOVE DEWILSON. TRADITIONAL PG WHO MAKES THE PLAY.
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
THEN YOU MUST LOVE DEWILSON. TRADITIONAL PG WHO MAKES THE PLAY.
HE'S TRADITIONAL...BUT NOT "TRADITIONAL"...IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 10, 2013, 05:25:05 PM
HE'S TRADITIONAL...BUT NOT "TRADITIONAL"...IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT EARL TATUM IS ABOUT. DON'T WORRY.
RIGHT NOW, KOENIG HAS ONE MORE MINUTE THAN EVAN ANDERSON. BK MAY BE GOOD IN 2 YEARS, BUT THAT HARDLY EQUALS SAVIOR STATUS.
(http://fixtstore.com/news/files/2010/09/brick-loud-noises-b.jpg)
I hope Duane Wilson lives up to his hype. I know he's good. Still like Koenig too. Nick is like Koenig.
My big get is Diamond Stone. Hope for a decent big man in 2014.
Have coffee with a bunch of Bucky rooters, P-them off when I wear my MU Gear.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 07:25:51 PM
I hope Duane Wilson lives up to his hype. I know he's good. Still like Koenig too. Nick is like Koenig.
The best thing Koenig could do is follow the Maymon plan.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on November 10, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
NICK NOSKOWIAK FROM SUN PRAIRIE. KOENIG WILL BE DARN GOOD NEXT YEAR. WILL BE SUPRISED IF HE
ISN'T. WOULD TAKE A TRADITIONAL WHO MAKES THE PLAY RATHER THAN FLASH. NICK IS A HEADY PLAYER
WHO CAN DRAIN THE THREE.
Yes, because only a traditional can make plays without being exceedingly flashy and only "non-traditionals" are flashy guys who don't make plays.
And it goes without saying that only a traditional can be heady.
After all, it's difficult for a non-traditional to be heady when all he's thinking about is eatin' watermelon, singin' the blues and pickin' cotton.
Quote from: MU82 on November 10, 2013, 10:32:15 PM
Yes, because only a traditional can make plays without being exceedingly flashy and only "non-traditionals" are flashy guys who don't make plays.
And it goes without saying that only a traditional can be heady.
After all, it's difficult for a non-traditional to be heady when all he's thinking about is eatin' watermelon, singin' the blues and pickin' cotton.
Uh oh.
Back on topic, I thought 13 baskets in 40 min. was supposed to be a "meaningless" statistic. Besides, they were fouling us.