Good read overall on the Big Ten this year.(I generally like reading this author's submissions). Interesting take on our former coach:
"Coach on the Hot Seat — Tom Crean (Indiana)
There are two trains of thought among Indiana fans when it comes to college basketball's creepy uncle. The first group suffers from Scott Drew syndrome. They're willing to give Crean a pass on all sorts of bad decisions, including the Syracuse zone debacle and keeping two top-five lottery picks on the bench at the same time during big games, because he took over a proud program and turned it into a preseason no. 1 team in just a handful of years. They're convinced that no other coach could've pulled that off, as if getting Cody Zeller to commit to one of the top five all-time programs that's also close to home was some miracle. These fans are typically either young and therefore don't fully understand the power of Indiana's history, or they're just so starved for success that back-to-back Sweet 16s are enough to make them giddy.
More sensible fans, however, realize that Indiana will almost certainly never return to its former glory as long as Crean is at the helm. Scott Drew is great for Baylor. He has done wonders to turn that program around after the Patrick Dennehy murder and ensuing scandal. Baylor was never really that great to begin with, so Drew taking over that mess AND leading the Bears to heights they haven't seen in 60 years should be enough to buy him job security for life in Waco. But Indiana isn't Baylor. Putting the car in the right direction isn't good enough at IU. You have to lock your eyes on the finish line, put the pedal to the metal, and run over anybody who gets in the way. For a fan base that likes to taunt Purdue fans about "banners" so much, it's bizarre that some Indiana fans have been willing to accept the best Hoosiers team in 20 years coming four wins short of hanging a sixth banner in Assembly Hall. If nothing else, the contentedness of Marquette fans after Crean left should tell you something. Crean becoming a national punch line among college basketball fans should tell you something. That Crean was not with Zeller and Victor Oladipo on draft night should tell you something. And Tom Izzo being the only guy in college basketball who seems to have good things to say about Crean should tell you something."
Quote from: csmithjump on November 07, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
Good read overall on the Big Ten this year.(I generally like reading this author's submissions). Interesting take on our former coach:
"Coach on the Hot Seat — Tom Crean (Indiana)
There are two trains of thought among Indiana fans when it comes to college basketball's creepy uncle. The first group suffers from Scott Drew syndrome. They're willing to give Crean a pass on all sorts of bad decisions, including the Syracuse zone debacle and keeping two top-five lottery picks on the bench at the same time during big games, because he took over a proud program and turned it into a preseason no. 1 team in just a handful of years. They're convinced that no other coach could've pulled that off, as if getting Cody Zeller to commit to one of the top five all-time programs that's also close to home was some miracle. These fans are typically either young and therefore don't fully understand the power of Indiana's history, or they're just so starved for success that back-to-back Sweet 16s are enough to make them giddy.
More sensible fans, however, realize that Indiana will almost certainly never return to its former glory as long as Crean is at the helm. Scott Drew is great for Baylor. He has done wonders to turn that program around after the Patrick Dennehy murder and ensuing scandal. Baylor was never really that great to begin with, so Drew taking over that mess AND leading the Bears to heights they haven't seen in 60 years should be enough to buy him job security for life in Waco. But Indiana isn't Baylor. Putting the car in the right direction isn't good enough at IU. You have to lock your eyes on the finish line, put the pedal to the metal, and run over anybody who gets in the way. For a fan base that likes to taunt Purdue fans about "banners" so much, it's bizarre that some Indiana fans have been willing to accept the best Hoosiers team in 20 years coming four wins short of hanging a sixth banner in Assembly Hall. If nothing else, the contentedness of Marquette fans after Crean left should tell you something. Crean becoming a national punch line among college basketball fans should tell you something. That Crean was not with Zeller and Victor Oladipo on draft night should tell you something. And Tom Izzo being the only guy in college basketball who seems to have good things to say about Crean should tell you something."
I see this thread going places.
Getting some trans-fat drenched microwave popcorn ready. Hold on........and........go.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2013, 03:30:51 PM
Getting some trans-fat drenched microwave popcorn ready. Hold on........and........go.
If I'm going to have to endure another Crean thread, I am going to need something that's gonna kill me quicker than trans-fat drenched popcorn.
Can I drench mine with Polonium 210?
Have a pulled pork sandwich.
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Chicos? You awake?
It's taken 5 years, but Indiana fans are starting to question why they defend they guy.
Quote from: csmithjump on November 07, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
If nothing else, the contentedness of Marquette fans after Crean left should tell you something. Crean becoming a national punch line among college basketball fans should tell you something. That Crean was not with Zeller and Victor Oladipo on draft night should tell you something. And Tom Izzo being the only guy in college basketball who seems to have good things to say about Crean should tell you something."
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Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 07, 2013, 04:00:06 PM
It's taken 5 years, but Indiana fans are starting to question why they defend they guy.
They knew the 5 year rule, obviously.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2013, 03:43:12 PM
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Literally was just watching this episode of psych so glad you posted it cause i was looking.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 07, 2013, 04:03:40 PM
They knew the 5 year rule, obviously.
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Crean is not on the hot seat. But he could be soon. If last year starts to look like the ceiling, the murmurs will become a crescendo. If his next 4 years in any way resembles the 4 years that followed his final four run at MU, he will get roasted.
I agree. No hot seat.
Yet.
It hinges on this season and the next three: if they don't even MEET the Hoosier fan expectations (wins, recruiting, etc.), then invoke the hot seat.
However, by taking the IU position you automatically sit in a hot seat.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on November 07, 2013, 05:01:38 PM
However, by taking the IU position you automatically sit in a hot seat.
This.
You could get to 4 straight final fours and if you don't win a championship be a dissapointment in Indiana.
I'll just say some of the responses in this thread are almost verbatim what was said in year 2 of his tenure and year 3 when he was "on his way out the door." History does repeat itself. :D
Some writers \ fans like Crean, some do not. DeCourcey, Hall of Fame basketball writer does, Mark Titus (who I enjoy reading) doesn't. Different strokes for different folks.
IU fans can be tough group to please, that isn't anything earth shattering. Syracuse fans wanted Boeheim gone, Kansas fans wanted (want) Self gone, etc, etc. It's part of the deal. There will always be detractors, which many people on this site will pay attention to only those folks, and there will be fans that blindly follow no matter what. Extremes on both ends.
Crean isn't going anywhere anytime soon <insert JayBee's contract comment>....Glass and the university are completely committed to him at this point and the foreseeable future. Very young team this year, probably 5th or 6th in the conference, but they could be awfully good next year and the year after. If they struggle in the coming two years, then sure whispers will start, but not with this year's team. Expectations are not that high.
Howland at UCLA is a good example that even when you are successful it still may not be enough when at one of the elite programs. But its hard to feel sorry for Crean if he ends up on the hot seat.
"college basketball's creepy uncle"
Very nicely stated.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Have a pulled pork sandwich.
Do you get a commission for every person you convince to do the Grain Brain diet?
As Chicos knows and refers to, MUscoopers have the unique knowledge most of America doesn't - that Crean's buyout is enormous.
If* things goes bad this year and more people are frustrated with Crean, traditional media will figure things out and these types of stories will turn into, "I4 is stuck with Crean".
Not that I think that will happen.
Hollowell & Vonleh to the rescue.
I disagree with the author that Tom Crean in on the hot seat. Everything else (creepy uncle, etc.) is spot on.
I do find the irony that Titus thinks Scott Drew is the cats meow.....if there is a dirtier coach than Drew, you could list them on one hand. Different strokes for different folks
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2013, 07:31:41 PM
I do find the irony that Titus thinks Scott Drew is the cats meow.....if there is a dirtier coach than Drew, you could list them on one hand. Different strokes for different folks
Agreed on the dirtiness. I think the "meow" comes from the Indiana connection of the Drews and Titus.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 07, 2013, 05:30:07 PM
Do you get a commission for every person you convince to do the Grain Brain diet?
Nah, just tryin' to spread the gospel to my fellow Scoop brothers and sisters, ya know? Gotta say F*ckin's the hardest nut to crack. So ingrained to eatin' like a drunken sailor and constantly has a beer IV hooked up to his right arm.
Why wasn't Tom Crean at the draft?
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 07, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
Why wasn't Tom Crean at the draft?
Clearly Mr Crean had something better to do.
In-Laws are alums as well as other in-law family members. There have been rumblings starting two years ago about his coaching ability. I agree with chicos that this year they are young and talented and people know it, but if he doesn't make final four in next three years calls for replacing him will grow loud.
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 07, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
Why wasn't Tom Crean at the draft?
Explained in several articles, not sure why Titus couldn't track that down. He is an Ohio State grad, maybe incapable? :o
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
Explained in several articles, not sure why Titus couldn't track that down. He is an Ohio State grad, maybe incapable? :o
Why do you think 99%+ of the media couldn't track down the real buyout provisions of Crean's deal? They are grads from all over the country. I know you're a big fan of media with a "big, well known name", but maybe most of them are incapable?! ;)
CNN with 'Belcher Report' on their broadcast is sad, but media has been - on a whole - bad for a looong time.
Titus is a gimmick anyway. Entertainer. Media doesn't let facts get in their way.. why should he?
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 07, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
Why wasn't Tom Crean at the draft?
Likely chose to stay home and polish DWade's apples instead.
This entire thread is comment bait, and yet I cannot resist.
After MU lost to Stanford in the tournament (to Stanford's Assistant Coach, who made all the correct second half adjustments), very few people on this Board were sad to see him leave. If Crean had stayed at Marquette another year or two after that loss, he would have been on the hot seat.
If Crean does not produce a Final Four at Indiana by the end of the 2014/2015 season, it will not matter what his buy-out is, he will be coaching somewhere else. The expectations at indiana exceed what he is capable of producing.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2013, 09:15:01 PM
Likely chose to stay home and polish DWade's apples instead.
Home polishin' something.
He's not on the hot seat. Could get warm next year, could get hot the year after that.
Quote from: warriorfred on November 07, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
This entire thread is comment bait, and yet I cannot resist.
After MU lost to Stanford in the tournament (to Stanford's Assistant Coach, who made all the correct second half adjustments), very few people on this Board were sad to see him leave. If Crean had stayed at Marquette another year or two after that loss, he would have been on the hot seat.
If Crean does not produce a Final Four at Indiana by the end of the 2014/2015 season, it will not matter what his buy-out is, he will be coaching somewhere else. The expectations at indiana exceed what he is capable of producing.
If I win, you make a $500 donation to the Juvenile Diabetes Fund. If you win, name the payout. He will be at IU after the 2014\15 season regardless of whether he goes to a Final Four.
Let's put the bet on now...I've won every IU Crean bet put on this board and this one is going to be the easiest.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
Explained in several articles, not sure why Titus couldn't track that down. He is an Ohio State grad, maybe incapable? :o
I'm not an Ohio State grad, but I'm having trouble tracking down these several articles where this is explained. Could you post them?
Tom Crean is a clown. Goofy looking clown.
Anyone that defends that clown is a clown.
Are you a clown?
I love the word "clown."
Quote from: WarriorInDC on November 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
I'm not an Ohio State grad, but I'm having trouble tracking down these several articles where this is explained. Could you post them?
Herald Times article....you need a username and password.
The other one, if I recall, was the Indy Star....I believe this article if memory serves. http://www.indystar.com/article/20130628/SPORTS0601/306280049/
In a nutshell, he had two guys there were likely top 15 picks and didn't want to take away from their moment or be positioned as being with one over the other. Leading up to the draft, he was constantly getting questions in the media "if you were a GM, who would you pick" and he continually deflected that question because it is a no win answer. So leading up to the draft, he stayed back. Also trying to help get Watford a gig per my peeps at IU.
If he had gone, then nimrods would have cut on him as grabbing the spotlight. If he doesn't go, nimrods will cut on him for not being there. What Titus was trying to do was stir up some fake controversy like those players didn't want him there. Of course, that gets shot down about 2 minutes after Victor gets drafted with his interview and his comments about his college coach, etc.
It is what it is. Titus has a big hard on for TC and he freely admits it.
I read this yesterday and didn't post because it is basically a rehash of all the stuff that's been said here for many years. I pretty much agree with everything in the Crean section, except TC is nowhere near the hot seat right now. I also think it is pointless to speculate if the seat will be hot in the future, because it depends entirely on how as yet unplayed seasons pan out. I guess it's interesting that someone outside the Marquette family with a national forum is thinking that way, though in an earlier preview Titus meantioned that he will take every opportunity to take a shot at Crean.
For me the money quote was
"They're willing to give Crean a pass on all sorts of bad decisions ... because he took over a proud program and turned it into a preseason no. 1 team in just a handful of years. They're convinced that no other coach could've pulled that off, as if getting Cody Zeller to commit to one of the top five all-time programs that's also close to home was some miracle."
I recently moved to IN and have had some good conversations with the multitude of Hoosier fans here. Basically, the younger generation of fans have been very happy with the success but because of last year's underachieving they are coming back to me and asking about Crean's ability to coach. (I've always told them that Crean is a great marketer for the program and he runs a great program but isn't a strong X's and O's coach) The older fans are not happy with his performance but I guess that's the price you pay when you grow up with Bobby Knight and multiple National Championships.
And the Purdue fans...well, they don't like the "Tanned Clapper" as they call him.
Quote from: muarmy81 on November 08, 2013, 08:17:25 AM
I recently moved to IN and have had some good conversations with the multitude of Hoosier fans here. Basically, the younger generation of fans have been very happy with the success but because of last year's underachieving they are coming back to me and asking about Crean's ability to coach. (I've always told them that Crean is a great marketer for the program and he runs a great program but isn't a strong X's and O's coach) The older fans are not happy with his performance but I guess that's the price you pay when you grow up with Bobby Knight and multiple National Championships.
And the Purdue fans...well, they don't like the "Tanned Clapper" as they call him.
Not one of my in-laws (95% Indiana natives/IU grads) cares for Crean. They care about IU basketball and have more reverence for Mike Davis than they do Crean. The spectrum of coaching respect starts with the General, McCracken, Davis, Alford (note though this observation is pre-UCLA hire), Crean, Sampson.
That should tell you something right there that there's more respect for Alford as a coach than Crean.
Of course, Chicos will chime in here shortly to quash my IU credentials by telling you how the two 30-something IU alums who work for DirecTV couldn't disagree more...
If you check out the entire article, the section on the Rodents is interesting too. Titus is real high on Dekker.....not so much on Bo.
"Make this your go-to complaint about Bo Ryan basketball this year. Instead of complaining about how slow the Buzzcuts play or how ugly their games are, when someone asks why you don't like Bo Ryan basketball, just say, "His starting small forward shot 8 percent from the 3-point line last season."
Quote from: csmithjump on November 08, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
If you check out the entire article, the section on the Rodents is interesting too. Titus is real high on Dekker.....not so much on Bo.
"Make this your go-to complaint about Bo Ryan basketball this year. Instead of complaining about how slow the Buzzcuts play or how ugly their games are, when someone asks why you don't like Bo Ryan basketball, just say, "His starting small forward shot 8 percent from the 3-point line last season."
I think Sam Dekker is a very good player. However he did play 22 mpg last year...versus Evans' 29. And was a turnstile on defense. I understand why Bo played Evans as much as he did. And yeah while Evans shot 8% from three, he only took 24 threes...which was 8th on Wisconsin's shot-happy team.
Look, I'm thankful for what Tom Crean did for us. Think about it. He recruited DWade and got us to the Final Four. He hired Buzz, who continued the success and built on it. We may have something really special in the works now.
That said, the article is right in that Crean is coaching at a school that expects to be in the Final Four every year. They are very Dukeish or Kentuckyish -- expecting to win at least two or three titles in a four year span. Indiana hasn't done that in years and, to some degree like us, the fan base is starting to wonder, "why?"
Any of us who survived the era from Hank to the Piano Man knows what's it like to watch a proud program fold. To Crean's credit he rebuilt it and got it to the edge. But to use another analogy, this one from the NBA, is Tom Crean to Indiana what Doug Collins was to the Chicago Bulls? Collins got the program close but it took Phil Jackson to push the Bulls over the top and get the first of the NBA Championships.
It sure looks like the Collins/Jackson analogy played out at Marquette and may soon play out at Indiana!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 08, 2013, 12:45:04 AM
Herald Times article....you need a username and password.
The other one, if I recall, was the Indy Star....I believe this article if memory serves. http://www.indystar.com/article/20130628/SPORTS0601/306280049/
Two is a couple. Several is more than two or three. A couple, a few, several.
So, one "mystery" article and one linked article that, at least in the part that's free, offers no explanation.
Quote from: keefe on November 07, 2013, 08:07:08 PM
Clearly Mr Crean had something better to do.
Half price special at Bloomington Tan Salon
Remember when Crean bought his whole staff Hummers?
You sayin' he gave his entire staff Hummers?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
You sayin' he gave his entire staff Hummers?
Maybe I should say remember when Marquette bought his entire staff hummers. I think 05 or 06?
Quote from: warriorfred on November 07, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
This entire thread is comment bait, and yet I cannot resist.
After MU lost to Stanford in the tournament (to Stanford's Assistant Coach, who made all the correct second half adjustments), very few people on this Board were sad to see him leave. If Crean had stayed at Marquette another year or two after that loss, he would have been on the hot seat.
If Crean does not produce a Final Four at Indiana by the end of the 2014/2015 season, it will not matter what his buy-out is, he will be coaching somewhere else. The expectations at indiana exceed what he is capable of producing.
Agreed 100%. He was getting heat and even Strong had some words for him from what I've heard after Stanford. The question of could MU do better was out there for us fans, no doubt. I think Crean was in the frying pan and the burner was already on simmer. He knew it. Add in that he was a bit of a prick and not generally liked, and the recipe was there for some quick frying.
It was time for a change for both sides. And it worked out well for him and for MU. Change is risky, especially for MU, and I love what Crean did especially early on in his tenure at MU. But in the end it was time for him to move on and for MU to move on.
If we knew we would have had a guy like Buzz take over, given what we know now, it would have been a more joyous leaving by Crean, on MU's part, even if he left with little dignity.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 08, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
Maybe I should say remember when Marquette bought his entire staff hummers. I think 05 or 06?
Pretty pathetic when you gotta actually pay for a Hummer.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
Pretty pathetic when you gotta actually pay for a Hummer.
I see what you did there. Definitely went over my head (pun intended?)
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 08, 2013, 09:37:22 AM
Remember when Crean bought his whole staff Hummers?
Cost him $200 at Ricky's.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
Pretty pathetic when you gotta actually pay for a Hummer.
Wait till your married more than 10 years!
Fans, in general, are far quicker to sour on a coach.
My guess is that the admin is good with him. The program is clean(er). They are landing recruits. They are winning games.
With this said, the blue blood jobs are a double edged sword. Eventually, Crean is going to have to win big. But, I think they are a few seasons from that kind of pressure.
Oh, and "TC IS A BAD PERSON!!" /Shakes fist in the air
Quote from: GOO on November 08, 2013, 09:43:12 AM
Agreed 100%. He was getting heat and even Strong had some words for him from what I've heard after Stanford. The question of could MU do better was out there for us fans, no doubt. I think Crean was in the frying pan and the burner was already on simmer. He knew it. Add in that he was a bit of a prick and not generally liked, and the recipe was there for some quick frying.
It was time for a change for both sides. And it worked out well for him and for MU. Change is risky, especially for MU, and I love what Crean did especially early on in his tenure at MU. But in the end it was time for him to move on and for MU to move on.
If we knew we would have had a guy like Buzz take over, given what we know now, it would have been a more joyous leaving by Crean, on MU's part, even if he left with little dignity.
I think that this is pretty much right on the money. From my perspective, I had already realized that Crean was kind of an egotistical jerk (although I think a lot of head coaches are) and that he had certain limitations as an Xs and Os guy. Some will say that both of those are understatements. But I was also concerned about who would replace him, and if we'd take a step backward. Fortunately, it really couldn't have worked out any better. This is one of the reasons I'm confident that even if Buzz does leave -- and I hope he doesn't any time soon -- we'll be OK. Marquette is in a very different position than it was before Crean came. We're an elite program, and we'll get a quality coach.
Quote from: Archies Bat on November 08, 2013, 09:56:02 AM
Wait till your married more than 10 years!
1) you're vs. your
2) 4never has been married for 67 years
Crean didn't buy his staff Hummers, those were appropriated by Bergstrom Automotive. The CEO is a MU grad and BOT.
Bottomline in my book, TC is a very good coach for a great deal of college basketball programs but he's over his ski's at a place like IU.
IU plays in a make believe conf made up of 6 schools:
Coach K
John Calipari
Bill Self
Roy Williams
Tom Crean
Steve Alford
Crean is at best the 5th best coach in that 6 school conference.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 08, 2013, 10:15:35 AM
1) you're vs. your
2) 4never has been married for 67 years
1) Sorry, engineer
2) Does a hummer even work after 67 years?
Hoping to be able to put $500 toward the cure for Type 1 Juvenile Diabetes...Fred, you in?
Quote from: The Lens on November 08, 2013, 10:25:23 AM
Crean didn't buy his staff Hummers, those were appropriated by Bergstrom Automotive. The CEO is a MU grad and BOT.
Bottomline in my book, TC is a very good coach for a great deal of college basketball programs but he's over his ski's at a place like IU.
IU plays in a make believe conf made up of 6 schools:
Coach K
John Calipari
Bill Self
Roy Williams
Tom Crean
Steve Alford
Crean is at best the 5th best coach in that 6 school conference.
If you're going off of results, IU and UCLA are in a different league.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 08, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
Hoping to be able to put $500 toward the cure for Type 1 Juvenile Diabetes...Fred, you in?
Fred, given Chicos extremely vague, "
If you win, name the payout" offer, I'd jump on this. Chicos wins: $500 to Juvenile Diabetes. You win: $1 Million to Fred. Gotta like them odds (although Chicos will probably win).
Quote from: Archies Bat on November 08, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
1) Sorry, engineer
2) Does a hummer even work after 67 years?
Sure 'nough, if you're on the right side of the grass.
Chicos,
I don't gamble, and I would not donate to JDF (I have an issues with stem cell research and my catholic values).
You should understand that I am mildly pro-Crean. He rebuilt a program that was headed in the wrong direction with Mike Deane. He recruited Wade. He led Marquette to a Final Four. Those are all impressive accomplishments. However, Marquette had clearly reached its pinnacle with Crean, and the loss to Stanford after a few years of poor post-season performance led many Marquette faithful to start whispering about a replacement.
In any event, in your rush to defend all things Crean, you missed a subtle dig/rip/condemnation of IU and its faithful. So I will try again, if Marquette fans were questioning Crean's coaching ability 5 years ago, with all of his accomplishments, imagine the treatment he will soon receive at Indiana.
IU fans expect yearly Final Fours, and few coaches can meet such lofty expectations. Crean will not be able to meet these expectations and will be turned out in short order.
This is not to say Crean is a bad coach, simply, that he is not a great coach, and unfortunately for Crean, Indiana demands a great coach.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 08, 2013, 09:37:22 AM
Remember when Crean bought his whole staff Hummers?
Air burst, face shot, or other?
Quote from: keefe on November 08, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
Air burst, face shot, or other?
"air burst" by another name would be "cock fart" no?
Quote from: Archies Bat on November 08, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
1) Sorry, engineer
2) Does a hummer even work after 67 years?
You mean the real armored up gun truck Hummer used by real men or the tricked out suburban Hummer driven by wannabes?
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3078/2628064412_d4a079c1f5_o.jpg)
(http://www.afsoc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/071201-F-9999C-002.JPG)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/25/article-1253728-03E24CC10000044D-922_468x294.jpg)
This is probably the reason for Titus's dislike for Crean:
http://clubtrillion.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html Read the first post.
Quote from: warriorfred on November 08, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
Chicos,
I don't gamble, and I would not donate to JDF (I have an issues with stem cell research and my catholic values).
You should understand that I am mildly pro-Crean. He rebuilt a program that was headed in the wrong direction with Mike Deane. He recruited Wade. He led Marquette to a Final Four. Those are all impressive accomplishments. However, Marquette had clearly reached its pinnacle with Crean, and the loss to Stanford after a few years of poor post-season performance led many Marquette faithful to start whispering about a replacement.
In any event, in your rush to defend all things Crean, you missed a subtle dig/rip/condemnation of IU and its faithful. So I will try again, if Marquette fans were questioning Crean's coaching ability 5 years ago, with all of his accomplishments, imagine the treatment he will soon receive at Indiana.
IU fans expect yearly Final Fours, and few coaches can meet such lofty expectations. Crean will not be able to meet these expectations and will be turned out in short order.
This is not to say Crean is a bad coach, simply, that he is not a great coach, and unfortunately for Crean, Indiana demands a great coach.
Sums up my views perfectly. And probably many other MU fans.
There are some on the fringes who adore or loathe him, but 90% are in the middle.
Arnold is no doubt a real man.