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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2013, 10:36:09 AM

Title: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsMTnZ3mWuBDdEVhd0ROQ05GYklVNE80UVBtQktBb0E&usp=sharing#gid=0

There was a discussion on reddit the other day on what it would look like if the tourney champ held a title belt every year. Who would own it? What would the title fights be? The spreadsheets in the above link are the results of that research. Here's the quote from the guy that put it together:

QuoteMy starting point was the end of UCLA's 88-game win streak. There are some missing dates in the 1970s where all I could get were schedules and scores. I'd actually been keeping track of this before yesterday's post, ever since I saw the college football belt.

The first sheet shows every game since UCLA's streak where the title belt was up for grabs. The second sheet just shows the teams that actually won the belt and for how long they had it. The third sheet shows each team's record when holding or challenging for the belt.

I'll be happy to answer questions about the sheet, and if anyone knows where I can fill in some of the gaps, let me know.

Here's the link to the original Reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1pwu6k/ncaa_basketball_title_belt_spreadsheet/

Marquette held the belt for:
7 days in 1996
11 days in 2012
2 days in 2013

Marquette's record is 7 & 10 in title matches compared to 3 & 11 for UW-Madison, 0-5 for UW-Milwaukee, 4-4 for UW-GB

BEast Records:
Georgetown 40-15
DePaul 40-20
St Johns 31-20
Nova 20-18
Butler 16-8
Seton Hall 16-20
Xavier 8-6
MU 7-10
Providence 2-12
Creighton 0-3

The first title defense for Louisville this season is this Saturday against College of Charleston!
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: jsglow on November 05, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Good to know we took the belt back for the BEast during our thrashing of Miami.
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 05, 2013, 11:35:53 AM
Cool, but shocking that the three teams we took it from were cincy, South Florida, and Miami
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 05, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
The real question is would all these teams have made weight for their match?  I mean with Davante I'm not sure we would've
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: CTWarrior on November 05, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
This was very fun to go through.  Wasted most of my lunch hour.  My brother-in-law played for the belt with Manhattan in 1983.  How about Wisconsin holding it over the summer of 1979 because they beat Michigan State the last game of the season but did not make the tournament?  Only way that could happen now is if Harvard beats somebody with the belt, then loses to another Ivy League team and doesn't play them again and Harvard wins the Ivy, or if a team is on probation.  Fun to see some of the lesser programs that held the belt for a while as a result of an upset and then the belt staying within a conference for a while.
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: MarsupialMadness on November 05, 2013, 04:33:23 PM
Ya, the belt went on a little bit of crazy run after the Championship in 2011.  UCONN lost the belt to  Harvard, who kept it for a couple games, only to lose it back to UCONN in a title belt rematch (who knew?), and then it switched hands with a half a dozen Big East teams before finally resting with Kentucky.
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 05, 2013, 04:56:52 PM
What's the most unexpected title match-up?  Elon v. Georgia State?  Lamar v. Samford?  Duquesne v. Rhode Island?  DePaul v. South Florida?
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: boyonthedock on November 05, 2013, 05:00:33 PM
We were robbed of a nice 70's run by Utah state somehow getting the belt in 77. Way to go, 1977 washington team!
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 05, 2013, 11:37:03 PM
People still use Reddit?!
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: Brewtown Andy on November 06, 2013, 07:40:59 AM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsMTnZ3mWuBDdEVhd0ROQ05GYklVNE80UVBtQktBb0E&usp=sharing#gid=0

There was a discussion on reddit the other day on what it would look like if the tourney champ held a title belt every year. Who would own it? What would the title fights be? The spreadsheets in the above link are the results of that research. Here's the quote from the guy that put it together:

Here's the link to the original Reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1pwu6k/ncaa_basketball_title_belt_spreadsheet/

Marquette held the belt for:
7 days in 1996
11 days in 2012
2 days in 2013

Marquette's record is 7 & 10 in title matches compared to 3 & 11 for UW-Madison, 0-5 for UW-Milwaukee, 4-4 for UW-GB

BEast Records:
Georgetown 40-15
DePaul 40-20
St Johns 31-20
Nova 20-18
Butler 16-8
Seton Hall 16-20
Xavier 8-6
MU 7-10
Providence 2-12
Creighton 0-3

The first title defense for Louisville this season is this Saturday against College of Charleston!


How weird is it that it managed to wind its way around to the defending national champion? That's an amazing stroke of luck.
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 06, 2013, 08:35:20 AM
As long as one of the 68 teams in the dance has the belt, the national champion will end up with it. Not that lucky.
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 06, 2013, 10:48:31 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 06, 2013, 08:35:20 AM
As long as one of the 68 teams in the dance has the belt, the national champion will end up with it. Not that lucky.

Yep, it's actually way more lucky when it somehow ends up with a team that wins out their season without making the dance. It would have to be in a conference tournament that not every team gets a bid. CTWarrior explained it better up above :)
Title: Re: NCAA Title Belt
Post by: The Man in Gold on November 06, 2013, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 06, 2013, 10:48:31 AM
Yep, it's actually way more lucky when it somehow ends up with a team that wins out their season without making the dance. It would have to be in a conference tournament that not every team gets a bid. CTWarrior explained it better up above :)

Or the old BEast where you theoretically win your last game and yet could miss the conference tournament.  Imagine those 1-15 Depaul teams holding the belt  ;D
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