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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 4everwarriors on October 14, 2013, 09:45:04 AM
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Crean left, and all of the Marquette community is better because of it.
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Crean left, and my odd obsessions began.
Fixed.
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Crean left, and all of the Marquette community is better because of it.
No Sultan. This is correct: "Crean left, and my odd obsessions intensified."
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Crean left, and Chicos made a complete 180 on his view of Marquette Basketball.
Fixed.
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Crean left, and all of the Marquette community is better because of it.
Well, except for the Soccer Stadium Fund Raising Campaign....
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I really don't know what's worse...all the trolling people do to try to get a rise out of CBB, or that he usually always responds ?-(
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Crean left, and all of the Marquette community is better because of it.
I am very happy with Buzz, but I do not know if this statement is true. We simply do not know what would have happen, if Crean had stayed.
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I am very happy with Buzz, but I do not know if this statement is true. We simply do not know what would have happen, if Crean had stayed.
The Soccer Stadium Fund would be $250M richer and Jack Harbaugh would still have a job?
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I am very happy with Buzz, but I do not know if this statement is true. We simply do not know what would have happen, if Crean had stayed.
Well, we don't what would have happened if Dukiet hadn't been fired, either. That said, it's pretty safe to say that MU was better off with KO than him. After watching TC for 9 years and Buzz for 5, I'm comfortable we're in a much better place today. Better teams, more regular season and tournament success, better and much more consistent recruiting, better guy who much better exemplifies what the university should be about, etc., etc. Slam dunk.
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I really don't know what's worse...all the trolling people do to try to get a rise out of CBB, or that he usually always responds ?-(
One of the great questions of our time
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An hour and 15 minutes ago, a really pointless thread got started on MUScoop
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....a coach who had put in 9 seasons, won 190 games, taken MU to a final 4, left the building. And took all of his coaching characteristics, positive and negative, with him. A few days after that MU hired a coach. Some were irked by the 'process' and the timing. Some were wrong. MU basketball is in good hands.
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6 years, 3 months, 8 days ago a guy named Buzz Williams was hired by a guy named Tom Crean at Marquette
My passion for MU basketball has not changed one bit.
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6 years, 3 months, 8 days ago a guy named Buzz Williams was hired by a guy named Tom Crean at Marquette
My passion for MU basketball has not changed one bit.
I don't doubt you enjoy Marquette basketball as you wouldn't be here otherwise, but you went from one of the most optimistic posters to one of the most pessimistic overnight. Everything was seashells and balloons when Crean was here now everything seems to be doom and gloom despite our success.
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6 years, 3 months, 8 days ago a guy named Buzz Williams was hired by a guy named Tom Crean at Marquette
My passion for MU basketball has not changed one bit.
Standard Chicos move: Minimize buzz, maximize TC.
Also, IBTL.
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Standard Chicos move: Minimize buzz, maximize TC.
Also, IBTL.
Hardly. Buzz isn't here without TC, that irony remains lost on just about everyone here.
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You would think that having Buzz would be the balm to heal this wound. He is recruiting better that TC did while at MU and just as good or better (i.e. current class) than TC. I guess some wounds just never heal.
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You would think that having Buzz would be the balm to heal this wound. He is recruiting better that TC did while at MU and just as good or better (i.e. current class) than TC. I guess some wounds just never heal.
I feel the irony is all the people that continue to complain about him most and bring him up most frequently are those that are happy to have him gone. You'd think being happy to have him gone would be enough. Instead we need some silly 5 years, 28 weeks thread. What kind of senseless, arbitrary number is that, and unless it's significant, how is this anything other than trolling for the same discussion that has been overdone on here for the past 5 years and 28 weeks or so?
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I can't believe you unnatural carnal knowledgeng twats are so obsessed with the sycophantic bullcrap of your own minds to be bothered by this silliness on a Monday morning.
God Bless America.
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I don't doubt you enjoy Marquette basketball as you wouldn't be here otherwise, but you went from one of the most optimistic posters to one of the most pessimistic overnight. Everything was seashells and balloons when Crean was here now everything seems to be doom and gloom despite our success.
Search is your friend....I don't have the time this week to do it, but I'd suggest you go back and read some threads here and especially on Cracked Sidewalks and tell me if EVERYTHING was seashells and balloons. You and Lenny have a weird absolutism to you. It's EVERY, ALWAYS, NEVER....it's lazy, quite frankly. There have also been things that went on in the last 5 years that didn't go on in the previous regime, at least in terms of bad press. The situations were also different...MU was not even a NIT team to start the previous regime...different starting points, different expectations.
My passion hasn't changed one bit. I think MU will win the Big East this year and they have more depth than I've seen on a MU team in quite some time. Very pleased with last year and looking forward to this year.
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I'm so glad this thread was started it was so necessary and not at all a blatant attempt to get a rise out of somebody who has made it abundantly clear he won't change his mind on Crean. It doesn't make the guy who started this thread come off as weird and obsessive at all.
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Search is your friend....I don't have the time this week to do it, but I'd suggest you go back and read some threads here and especially on Cracked Sidewalks and tell me if EVERYTHING was seashells and balloons. You and Lenny have a weird absolutism to you. It's EVERY, ALWAYS, NEVER....it's lazy, quite frankly. There have also been things that went on in the last 5 years that didn't go on in the previous regime, at least in terms of bad press. The situations were also different...MU was not even a NIT team to start the previous regime...different starting points, different expectations.
My passion hasn't changed one bit. I think MU will win the Big East this year and they have more depth than I've seen on a MU team in quite some time. Very pleased with last year and looking forward to this year.
Could you explain how we weren't even an NIT team? I believe Crean took us to the NIT his first year and had the same record his second year though didnt get an invite. I know he inherited crap but not an NIT team is playing with the facts.
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Could you explain how we weren't even an NIT team? I believe Crean took us to the NIT his first year and had the same record his second year though didnt get an invite. I know he inherited crap but not an NIT team is playing with the facts.
I think he means that the season prior to Crean MU didn't even make the NIT.
I believe a certain fan who now goes by the name Chico's vehemently argued against Deane's firing (and didn't like the Crean hire) on the old old MU basketball board.
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Buzz isn't here without TC, that irony remains lost on just about everyone here.
Buzz is here despite Tom Crean who wanted to take him to Indiana.
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You would think that having Buzz would be the balm to heal this wound. He is recruiting better that TC did while at MU and just as good or better (i.e. current class) than TC. I guess some wounds just never heal.
One would think.........
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Hardly. Buzz isn't here without TC, that irony remains lost on just about everyone here.
You can't actually make that statement. If TC was never here, Buzz could still somehow end up here.
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You can't actually make that statement. If TC was never here, Buzz could still somehow end up here.
We aren't in a philosophy class man. Crean hired Buzz just accept that. I hate the Crean fan club as much as anyone but what happened is what happened no sense in dealing with what ifs
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on the old old MU basketball board.
Holy Mike Juno! A Geocities reference!
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I can't believe you unnatural carnal knowledgeng twats are so obsessed with the sycophantic bullcrap of your own minds to be bothered by this silliness on a Monday morning.
God Bless America.
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GUHHHHHHHHhhhh is this thread an equal combination of cliched, tired, petty, and trollingly f***ing inane comments.
Congrats.
Back to my lunch.
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5 days and 17 hours from now...
I pray the Mods find a way to automatically lock any thread where the terms Crean, TC, Tanned, or anything similar appear.
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GUHHHHHHHHhhhh is this thread an equal combination of cliched, tired, petty, and trollingly f***ing inane comments.
Congrats.
Back to my lunch.
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True enough. Thanks for adding yours. Picture was funny, though.
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5 days and 17 hours from now...
I pray the Mods find a way to automatically lock any thread where the terms Crean, TC, Tanned, or anything similar appear.
People talk about Crean because he's funny. There are some things that red blooded American males find inherently humorous - flatulence, feces, absurdity, pratfalls, and ethnicity among them. In the case of Crean it is his penchant for buffoonery we find so entertaining. You could not make up the character defects Crean puts on display for us to observe and savor like a fine wine.
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Could you explain how we weren't even an NIT team? I believe Crean took us to the NIT his first year and had the same record his second year though didnt get an invite. I know he inherited crap but not an NIT team is playing with the facts.
Sure. Deane's last year, we didn't go to the NIT...we went nowhere...we were at home. The team Crean inherited, sat home and went to no post season tournament. Thus, he inherited a team that wasn't even in the NIT....but he did have stud Krunti Hester coming to play, the lone recruit. ;D
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but he did have stud Krunti Hester coming to play, the lone recruit. ;D
...Who was replaced by stud Kevin Menard...
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I think he means that the season prior to Crean MU didn't even make the NIT.
I believe a certain fan who now goes by the name Chico's vehemently argued against Deane's firing (and didn't like the Crean hire) on the old old MU basketball board.
Wasn't against the Crean hire at all. Of the candidates, he was a strong hire. I got to live through it as I was in the department when it all happened. Was I thrilled Deane got let go... no. He was a friend, treated me well, etc. Never like to see someone let go. Once he was gone and seeing the process unfold to hire a replacement, a process that was diligent, took time, was methodical, etc....it was fun and exciting time to be in the department. Mike was fired March 5th, Crean was hired March 30th. After meeting Tom one on one the day of the hire, spending an hour with him going through what we were all about, I felt he had the energy to do some good, would relate to the students and to student athletes, but you never know about the other stuff. It was his first head coaching gig. Only time would tell.
I asked him on the spot if he would begin calling every season ticket holder, he and his team just to say thanks. To get them to touch the fans. He didn't bat an eye, and within a week we had a phone bank setup where the entire staff, coaches, players called every season ticket holder. As much as I enjoyed Mike, he never would have done that. It was a small start, but I knew I had someone that would work their tail off on the speaking circuit, glad handing, etc. It was part of the job, and he did it without hesitation.
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Buzz is here despite Tom Crean who wanted to take him to Indiana.
And Buzz wouldn't have ever known about Marquette or ever set foot on campus without Crean hiring him. That is the irony. It worked out well for everyone. IU has returned to a solid squad. Buzz has continued to keep things going. All good.
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You can't actually make that statement. If TC was never here, Buzz could still somehow end up here.
LOL. Yeah, and an asteroid COULD hit you tonight and kill you. Why don't you read Buzz's own words after he was hired at MU as an assistant and how unlikely it was that he would ever end up in Milwaukee.
You're taking a wild leap, I'm just giving you facts and common sense. Buzz hired by Crean. Year later, Crean leaves and Buzz as assistant coach is up for MU job. Part B happened because Part A put him in the spot to be here. Please, don't go through mental gymnastics to make it something it isn't. Do you think if Buzz wasn't on the staff that MU after Crean left would be parsing the country and would stumble upon Buzz Williams at New Orleans fresh off his first losing season and who knows what he would have done in season 2. Please.
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...Who was replaced by stud Kevin Menard...
Lots of guys needed replacing. He inherited a non NIT team.
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And Buzz wouldn't have ever known about Marquette or ever set foot on campus without Crean hiring him. That is the irony. It worked out well for everyone. IU has returned to a solid squad. Buzz has taken the program to the next level, something Crean was incapable of doing. All good.
FIFY
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FIFY
Impossible to prove. He left. Crean already took the program to the next level and then some....Final Four comes to mind. He left, what would have happened if he stayed we'll never know. Hopefully Buzz can get us to a Final Four, I have no doubt he has the ability, but it takes some good fortune to get there. It is a crapshoot.
I'm glad Buzz is here, I'm glad TC turned around IU and the stain that went with it. I'm glad Bill Self is doing wonders at my third alma mater. All good in Chico basketball land.
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Sure. Deane's last year, we didn't go to the NIT...we went nowhere...we were at home. The team Crean inherited, sat home and went to no post season tournament. Thus, he inherited a team that wasn't even in the NIT....but he did have stud Krunti Hester coming to play, the lone recruit. ;D
Ok I was confused because people talk of the 08-09 team being what buzz inherited I've heard people say buzz inherited a potential final four team
About Buzz's first season. So in my head Crean inherited a NIt team because that's what they did his first season. But thanks for clarifying
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Impossible to prove. He left. Crean already took the program to the next level and then some....Final Four comes to mind. He left, what would have happened if he stayed we'll never know. Hopefully Buzz can get us to a Final Four, I have no doubt he has the ability, but it takes some good fortune to get there. It is a crapshoot.
I'm glad Buzz is here, I'm glad TC turned around IU and the stain that went with it. I'm glad Bill Self is doing wonders at my third alma mater. All good in Chico basketball land.
My John Beilein and Tommy Amaker is a pair of kings to your Bill Self and Tanned Tommy which is a king and a joker.
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And Buzz wouldn't have ever known about Marquette or ever set foot on campus without Crean hiring him.
Buzz "knew about" Marquette before he got here. Every college coach does. And he would never, ever have set foot on Marquette's campus? Pretty absolute, didn't think you went for the nevers, always, etc. My guess is that in what one way or another will quite possibly be a 40+ year career in coaching Buzz just might have found his way to Milwaukee once without Tom Crean.
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Impossible to prove. He left. Crean already took the program to the next level and then some....Final Four comes to mind. He left, what would have happened if he stayed we'll never know. Hopefully Buzz can get us to a Final Four, I have no doubt he has the ability, but it takes some good fortune to get there. It is a crapshoot.
Wait, so is getting to the Final Four considered "taking a program to the next level" or is it just a crapshoot?
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I think most MU folks are extraordinarily happy that Crean is long gone.
I think Crean is happy he's at IU. After all, last November he received a new agreement under which his buyout started at a whopping $16MM. As of today, it's around $14MM. He's sitting pretty even if there is some pee down the leg in the mind of some after an earlier-than-expected end to what otherwise was a good season.
Most MU fans are delighted with Buzz. With a promising year ahead and an Elite Eight and two Sweet Sixteens in the rear view mirror, folks are feeling good.
Some IU fans are cool with Crean. Sure, they didn't come anywhere close to a national championship after being the consensus #1 pick last season, but they did get to chop down the nets after a home loss to celebrate at least a tie for the Big Ten's best regular season record. With a disappointing end to last season and two high lotto picks now in the NBA, things are looking hopeful to some. With the massive buyout due Crean (far larger than IU and the masses reported), he's got to be feeling very good.
So, I think every body wins.
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Impossible to prove. He left. Crean already took the program to the next level and then some....Final Four comes to mind. He left, what would have happened if he stayed we'll never know. Hopefully Buzz can get us to a Final Four, I have no doubt he has the ability, but it takes some good fortune to get there. It is a crapshoot.
The fact that Buzz has taken the program beyond where Crean did or was capable of doing is as impossible to prove as the no Crean at MU, no Buzz at MU fact. Funny you believe in some asteroids hitting earth but scoff at others. LOL.
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Wait, so is getting to the Final Four considered "taking a program to the next level" or is it just a crapshoot?
The Final Four was great. Awesome even. But it was one season out of nine. And in his 5 years here after the FF, TC whiffed altogether twice (NIT) and won a grand total of 1 NCAA tournament game (the one that Buzz did the scouting report for). In three years with his own players, Buzz has won a Big East title and finished 2nd once (14-4 back to back) and has 7 NCAA tournament wins. That's a far cry from "continuing" what his predecessor was doing. He's already lapped him.
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The Final Four was great. Awesome even. But it was one season out of nine. And in his 5 years here after the FF, TC whiffed altogether twice (NIT) and won a grand total of 1 NCAA tournament game (the one that Buzz did the scouting report for). In three years with his own players, Buzz has won a Big East title and finished 2nd once (14-4 back to back) and has 7 NCAA tournament wins. That's a far cry from "continuing" what his predecessor was doing. He's already lapped him.
Lenny
I'm not sure what was more shameful - getting humiliated at home against Western Michigan in the NIT or our shameful first half against Michigan State in the NCAA?
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If you want an interesting perspective, go to pages 580-590. 4ever, PRN, and chicos all share the consistency over time award. MUAvenue is remarkably consistent, too. He was as critical of Crean as he is of Buzz.
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I'm glad there are only 10 holidays per year.
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In my revised assessment, Crean was pretty much perfect.
1. He took over a program on the decline and brought it up several notches injecting the program with a good deal of new energy while doing it.
2. When his early success led to regular offers to coach elsewhere, he declined them to stay put.
3. He had the program prepared to step up when the Big East opportunity came along, so the school looked good in tough new company.
4. He put together a team that made a final four run.
5. When his head got too big, and he became insufferable, he had the good sense to leave.
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...Who was replaced by stud Kevin Menard...
Who was only brought in in an attempt to influence his younger teammate, James Augustine to join him the next year.
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Lenny
I'm not sure what was more shameful - getting humiliated at home against Western Michigan in the NIT or our shameful first half against Michigan State in the NCAA?
The implosion against Western Michigan was scary bad, but our futility against MSU was epic also. It was 14-0 with just over 10 minutes left in the half. I doubt there's been an NCAA game in the shot clock era that matches it for offensive ineptitude. The game was played at a snail's pace but still had 30 TOs (15 apiece). Unwatchable.
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The Final Four was great. Awesome even. But it was one season out of nine. And in his 5 years here after the FF, TC whiffed altogether twice (NIT) and won a grand total of 1 NCAA tournament game (the one that Buzz did the scouting report for). In three years with his own players, Buzz has won a Big East title and finished 2nd once (14-4 back to back) and has 7 NCAA tournament wins. That's a far cry from "continuing" what his predecessor was doing. He's already lapped him.
Not considering creans third nit year a wiff?
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Not considering creans third nit year a wiff?
I didn't count his first two years (NIT whiff and total no tournament whiff) against him as he was coaching someone else's players. Didn't count Buzz'z first two years either.
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Who was only brought in in an attempt to influence his younger teammate, James Augustine to join him the next year.
I forgot about that. As soon as it was clear Augustine was going to Illinois Crean cut Menard loose. Menard landed at UW-Parkside which is where he belonged all along.
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I didn't count his first two years (NIT whiff and total no tournament whiff) against him as he was coaching someone else's players. Didn't count Buzz'z first two years either.
Gotcha, was just curious
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Lenny
I'm not sure what was more shameful - getting humiliated at home against Western Michigan in the NIT or our shameful first half against Michigan State in the NCAA?
Plenty of shameful moments over the years. Losing to UW Green Bay. Losing to Western Michigan in the NIT. Blowing a huge lead in the NCAAs to Washington. Things happen. Also some great wins over the years. Over #1 Kentucky, over #4 Pittsburgh, UCONN, Louisville wins, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Indiana, etc....or the great wins of recent years like G'Town, Syracuse, Miami, Butler, etc.
To each their own. Both have provided some historic, great wins. Both have provided some piss down your leg clunkers.
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Wait, so is getting to the Final Four considered "taking a program to the next level" or is it just a crapshoot?
It's an incredible feat done 3 times in the history of the program and only once by a guy not named McGuire. It's also a crapshoot....you need a little luck...who you play, when you play, etc. Most teams that make it that far have a scare or a bout of good fortune.
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The Final Four was great. Awesome even. But it was one season out of nine. And in his 5 years here after the FF, TC whiffed altogether twice (NIT) and won a grand total of 1 NCAA tournament game (the one that Buzz did the scouting report for). In three years with his own players, Buzz has won a Big East title and finished 2nd once (14-4 back to back) and has 7 NCAA tournament wins. That's a far cry from "continuing" what his predecessor was doing. He's already lapped him.
It was awesome even. Cool.
Buzz has done a great job.
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My John Beilein and Tommy Amaker is a pair of kings to your Bill Self and Tanned Tommy which is a king and a joker.
That's ok. Self has several Final Fours and a title, a bunch of conference championships. TC has a Big Ten title and a Final four. Amaker....does well in the Ivy League, no success in the bigs. Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title.
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Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title.
I guess coaching Michigan to the Championship game last April doesn't merit consideration for the mantle, "Outstanding Coach?" After all, that is rarified air not yet inhaled by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
So, It's Indiana, It's Indiana was not only the Pre-Season favorite to win it all but they won the Big 10 Title along the way. They had two Lottery Pick All American players leading them. They certainly must have advanced further in the tournament than John Beilein's Michigan squad.
I'm not sure which is more shameful: Not cashing in on significant pre-season promise or hanging a banner after midnight on a night your team has lost?
Perhaps the most telling counterpoint between the two men, however, is illustrated by the events and aftermath of Indiana's victory over Michigan at Crisler last March. Rather than celebrate with his team, Crean used the moment to chase down Michigan Assistant Coach Jeff Meyer and berate him for some imagined problems from years past. In a bizarre incident that defies explanation Crean launched a verbal assault against Meyer, screaming repeatedly, "You know what you did! You know what you did! You helped wreck the program! You helped wreck our program!"
As the cameras rolled and cameras clicked Crean began laughing hysterically at his own wit. Meyer, on the other hand, maintained the poise and dignity expected of a senior staff member at a major university.
Later, when asked about Crean's ridiculous behavior Beilein replied, "I'm not going to comment on another coach or another university. I will say that Michigan is always going to win with class, and they're going to lose with class. We're never going to use victory or defeat as a platform for any frustrations we're going to have. I'm really proud of the way Jeff showed great poise and handled himself in the aftermath of the disappointment in that loss. He's a great coach and he's helped us rebuild this program brick by brick, side by side with me. I am grateful and pleased to have Jeff Meyer on the sideline with us."
Refreshing. How very refreshing. Michigan is fortunate to have gentlemen representing a great University. Can every school say the same?
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Tell me the cop isn't pissed 'cause she has to round up Crean and have him tested for rabies.
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I guess coaching Michigan to the Championship game last April doesn't merit consideration for the mantle, "Outstanding Coach?" After all, that is rarified air not
Uhm, I'll repeat, JB is an outstanding coach...so not only does he merit consideration for the mantle of Outstanding Coach, it's actually exactly what I said. That is, he is an Outstanding Coach :o
Everything else we have already discussed ad nauseum. Crean was out of line, Meyer is a douche from Sampson's staff, etc, etc.
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I guess coaching Michigan to the Championship game last April doesn't merit consideration for the mantle, "Outstanding Coach?" After all, that is rarified air not yet inhaled by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
So, It's Indiana, It's Indiana was not only the Pre-Season favorite to win it all but they won the Big 10 Title along the way. They had two Lottery Pick All American players leading them. They certainly must have advanced further in the tournament than John Beilein's Michigan squad.
I'm not sure which is more shameful: Not cashing in on significant pre-season promise or hanging a banner after midnight on a night your team has lost?
Perhaps the most telling counterpoint between the two men, however, is illustrated by the events and aftermath of Indiana's victory over Michigan at Crisler last March. Rather than celebrate with his team, Crean used the moment to chase down Michigan Assistant Coach Jeff Meyer and berate him for some imagined problems from years past. In a bizarre incident that defies explanation Crean launched a verbal assault against Meyer, screaming repeatedly, "You know what you did! You know what you did! You helped wreck the program! You helped wreck our program!"
As the cameras rolled and cameras clicked Crean began laughing hysterically at his own wit. Meyer, on the other hand, maintained the poise and dignity expected of a senior staff member at a major university.
Later, when asked about Crean's ridiculous behavior Beilein replied, "I'm not going to comment on another coach or another university. I will say that Michigan is always going to win with class, and they're going to lose with class. We're never going to use victory or defeat as a platform for any frustrations we're going to have. I'm really proud of the way Jeff showed great poise and handled himself in the aftermath of the disappointment in that loss. He's a great coach and he's helped us rebuild this program brick by brick, side by side with me. I am grateful and pleased to have Jeff Meyer on the sideline with us."
Refreshing. How very refreshing. Michigan is fortunate to have gentlemen representing a great University. Can every school say the same?
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I am consistently entertained and amazed at the series of pictures you attach to posts, but you've outdone yourself here. Says it all.
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Uhm, I'll repeat, JB is an outstanding coach...so not only does he merit consideration for the mantle of Outstanding Coach, it's actually exactly what I said. That is, he is an Outstanding Coach :o
Everything else we have already discussed ad nauseum. Crean was out of line, Meyer is a douche from Sampson's staff, etc, etc.
"Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title."
C'mon, Jamie. This is damning with very, very faint praise...
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"Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title."
C'mon, Jamie. This is damning with very, very faint praise...
It's the way he praises our own coach and others from teams he dislikes. The only coaches (to my recollection) he's "all in" on are Crean, Bo Ryan, Stew Morrill (sp?) and maybe Izzo.
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I guess coaching Michigan to the Championship game last April doesn't merit consideration for the mantle, "Outstanding Coach?" After all, that is rarified air not yet inhaled by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
So, It's Indiana, It's Indiana was not only the Pre-Season favorite to win it all but they won the Big 10 Title along the way. They had two Lottery Pick All American players leading them. They certainly must have advanced further in the tournament than John Beilein's Michigan squad.
I'm not sure which is more shameful: Not cashing in on significant pre-season promise or hanging a banner after midnight on a night your team has lost?
Perhaps the most telling counterpoint between the two men, however, is illustrated by the events and aftermath of Indiana's victory over Michigan at Crisler last March. Rather than celebrate with his team, Crean used the moment to chase down Michigan Assistant Coach Jeff Meyer and berate him for some imagined problems from years past. In a bizarre incident that defies explanation Crean launched a verbal assault against Meyer, screaming repeatedly, "You know what you did! You know what you did! You helped wreck the program! You helped wreck our program!"
As the cameras rolled and cameras clicked Crean began laughing hysterically at his own wit. Meyer, on the other hand, maintained the poise and dignity expected of a senior staff member at a major university.
Later, when asked about Crean's ridiculous behavior Beilein replied, "I'm not going to comment on another coach or another university. I will say that Michigan is always going to win with class, and they're going to lose with class. We're never going to use victory or defeat as a platform for any frustrations we're going to have. I'm really proud of the way Jeff showed great poise and handled himself in the aftermath of the disappointment in that loss. He's a great coach and he's helped us rebuild this program brick by brick, side by side with me. I am grateful and pleased to have Jeff Meyer on the sideline with us."
Refreshing. How very refreshing. Michigan is fortunate to have gentlemen representing a great University. Can every school say the same?
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Any Marquette fan who's not ecstatic that the Bronze Beast took his talents to Bloomington should read the text and look at the pictures.
I'm not normally a fan of an AD publicly chastising his coaches, but where in God's name was Fred Glass in all of this? Disgraceful. Probably should have been canned on the spot, but that 16 M buyout made it impossible.
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"Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title."
Sigh
I said he is an outstanding coach, I meant he is an outstanding coach. It is hard to win the Big Ten title over the course of 3 months....you have to be good for a long period of time. As we have seen more than our share, some teams get to the Final Four because it is a crap shoot or they get hot at the right time. MU in 1977 according to some guy named Al McGuire said it not only wasn't his best team but not the best team in the tournament, George Mason, Wichita State, Butler, UCONN....UCONN couldn't do better than a 9 seed in their own conference and won it all. It's a great accomplishment, so is winning a conference regular season title.
Doesn't make him any less of an outstanding coach. Go back and read what I said about him at WVU....always thought he was an outstanding coach.
Not sure what else I can tell you, that's the deal.
Buzz is a great coach and Tony can get upset and be defensive all he wants about it, but that's how I feel. I'm all in on Buzz, Tony.
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5 years, 28 weeks? Really?
This is like one of those idiotic stats: "So-and-so is the only the third American League player in the modern era with 2200 hits, 325 stolen bases and 430 doubles."
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Tap, maybe you should become an AD. You seem to know how several departments should be run.
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"Beilein I think is an outstanding coach, maybe this year he gets his first Big Ten title."
C'mon, Jamie. This is damning with very, very faint praise...
Is JD's post from 2010 because Belein already has won a big ten regular season title.
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Tap, maybe you should become an AD. You seem to know how several departments should be run.
I think you're on record as removing your hat from the AD ring because you don't want your family to suffer from what would be a major pay cut. I salute your selflessly eschewing the bright lights for your wife and children.
I wouldn't be taking a pay cut, but wouldn't take the MU job because I'm grossly unqualified. I would take the IU gig though.
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I think you're on record as removing your hat from the AD ring because you don't want your family to suffer from what would be a major pay cut. I salute your selflessly eschewing the bright lights for your wife and children.
I wouldn't be taking a pay cut, but wouldn't take the MU job because I'm grossly unqualified. I would take the IU gig though.
Yes, humor is often lost on the elderly, as it was that day. That's ok. I'm actually fairly close to going into the non-profit world and I'm looking forward to it immensely if it all works out. I don't wish to die a young man as my father did and am fortunate to be taking steps to avoid that. I'd like to be around for my wife and children, if you know what I mean.
If you are unqualified for the MU job, you wouldn't get to sweep the floors for the IU job. Football, owned facilities, having to deal with the state gov't....tougher gig. I think you know that.
Have a great evening.
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Yes, humor is often lost on the elderly, as it was that day. That's ok. I'm actually fairly close to going into the non-profit world and I'm looking forward to it immensely if it all works out. I don't wish to die a young man as my father did and am fortunate to be taking steps to avoid that. I'd like to be around for my wife and children, if you know what I mean.
If you are unqualified for the MU job, you wouldn't get to sweep the floors for the IU job. Football, owned facilities, having to deal with the state gov't....tougher gig. I think you know that.
Have a great evening.
I guess humor is also lost on the middle aged too.
I bet I could get that push broom job at IU, though. I swept the floors at Northwestern games as a kid. Also, my widowed Grandmother worked in food services at IU for 30 years after her husband died and my parents are both IU graduates. I'm a legacy!
You have a nice night, too.
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I guess humor is also lost on the middle aged too.
I bet I could get that push broom job at IU, though. I swept the floors at Northwestern games as a kid. Also, my widowed Grandmother worked in food services at IU for 30 years after her husband died and my parents are both IU graduates. I'm a legacy!
You have a nice night, too.
Consider who the exchange was with....ners. No need to say more. As you mentioned earlier today, it's been a long time since you read something laughed out loud. I am not surprised.
I have no doubt you could push the hell out of a broom. Personally, I get the notion you would excel in wax on, wax off or vacuum activities.
Life is too short. Enjoy the day.
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5 years ago 28 weeks ago today since we practiced free throws is what popped into my head.
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Yes, humor is often lost on the elderly, as it was that day. That's ok. I'm actually fairly close to going into the non-profit world and I'm looking forward to it immensely if it all works out. I don't wish to die a young man as my father did and am fortunate to be taking steps to avoid that. I'd like to be around for my wife and children, if you know what I mean.
If you are unqualified for the MU job, you wouldn't get to sweep the floors for the IU job. Football, owned facilities, having to deal with the state gov't....tougher gig. I think you know that.
Have a great evening.
I wouldn't brag too much about that program man.
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IU job...having to deal with the state gov't...
How tough is that, though? Just say the largest $ contract with an employee you have has different terms than it really does. Everyone gobbles it up and you're sitting pretty.
Have a horrible football program with little expectation or desire to improve.
Basketball program sells itself (I4).
Pretty nice job.
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How tough is that, though? Just say the largest $ contract with an employee you have has different terms than it really does. Everyone gobbles it up and you're sitting pretty.
Have a horrible football program with little expectation or desire to improve.
Basketball program sells itself (I4).
Pretty nice job.
I heard somewhere they have a great sports medicine program too. Unfortunately it is not in Bloomington.
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Wasn't against the Crean hire at all. Of the candidates, he was a strong hire. I got to live through it as I was in the department when it all happened. Was I thrilled Deane got let go... no. He was a friend, treated me well, etc. Never like to see someone let go.
Just going to point out that personnel decisions never should be based if you like someone personally - not at the level of Head Coach at a high major university or even mid-major for that matter at the time of the Deane fire.
It was evident to all of us close to the program at that time - Deane was a disaster. Lots of fun to drink with, but you saw the recruiting totally and completely deteriorate and the writing was on the wall. So, you basically had an adulterous, alcoholic coach at MU. Given your moral high horse you ride on frequently, I'm shocked you would like someone of that character. Anyone with a shred of foresight could see the train wreck was coming...thank God Cords did. Just as anyone with a degree of foresight could see Buzz was the real deal after just 1-2 years on the job - no need to wait 5.
Thank God you stayed corporate and never pursued an AD job, as it would have been short lived!
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Just going to point out that personnel decisions never should be based if you like someone personally - not at the level of Head Coach at a high major university or even mid-major for that matter at the time of the Deane fire.
It was evident to all of us close to the program at that time - Deane was a disaster. Lots of fun to drink with, but you saw the recruiting totally and completely deteriorate and the writing was on the wall. So, you basically had an adulterous, alcoholic coach at MU. Given your moral high horse you ride on frequently, I'm shocked you would like someone of that character. Anyone with a shred of foresight could see the train wreck was coming...thank God Cords did. Just as anyone with a degree of foresight could see Buzz was the real deal after just 1-2 years on the job - no need to wait 5.
Thank God you stayed corporate and never pursued an AD job, as it would have been short lived!
Ners...I think all Chicos is saying that Deanne was a good guy and he liked him. He doesn't say that he shouldn't have been let go.
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I think he means that the season prior to Crean MU didn't even make the NIT.
I believe a certain fan who now goes by the name Chico's vehemently argued against Deane's firing (and didn't like the Crean hire) on the old old MU basketball board.
Ners...I think all Chicos is saying that Deanne was a good guy and he liked him. He doesn't say that he shouldn't have been let go.
Sultan - Was referring to the above quote from Pakuni...yet ultimately we all know Chicos will do a 180 and try to talk his way out another asinine position/viewpoint.
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Wasn't against the Crean hire at all. Of the candidates, he was a strong hire. I got to live through it as I was in the department when it all happened. Was I thrilled Deane got let go... no. He was a friend, treated me well, etc. Never like to see someone let go.
Never?
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If I had a dollar for every time a scooper went out of their way to provoke Chicos....
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If I had a dollar for every time a scooper went out of their way to provoke Chicos....
In the last day or two Chicos has gone after me and others for allegedly using words like "never" or "always". Didn't bite on that provocation, just pointing out what he would call hypocrisy and irony. Helps to know your history.
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you basically had an adulterous, alcoholic coach at Marquette
Was the Marquette coach an airline pilot?
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Was the Marquette coach an airline pilot?
Well played Keefe! Learned a funny thing from Deane in one of his many bender nights after games - he and mistress used coffee as their code word for taking off and getting it on...True story.
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Starbucks will never be the same.
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You think this board has an obsession with Crean and his quirkiness...
Look at this epic thread about Crean and Banners: http://indiana.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=726&mid=192701178&sid=942&tid=192701178&style=1
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You think this board has an obsession with Crean and his quirkiness...
Look at this epic thread about Crean and Banners: http://indiana.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=726&mid=192701178&sid=942&tid=192701178&style=1
Why does Chicos call himself "Indiana Scott?"
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Why does Chicos call himself "Indiana Scott?"
Sorry, u is wrong
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I'm betting "UFO33" is none other than Joanie Crean Harbaugh
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You think this board has an obsession with Crean and his quirkiness...
Look at this epic thread about Crean and Banners: http://indiana.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=726&mid=192701178&sid=942&tid=192701178&style=1
love this post there
= Helm's Banner. Period, the end. And we're not "back" until we hang another REAL one. Instead of a banner with accompanying needed explanation. ie Excuses. That is the bar set by previous coaches, fair or not. That is the goal of this program, fair or not. That is the line of success.
If a person sets three goals for a year and only meets one of them and then fails drastically in the most important. I don't think overly celebrating the success without it being tempered by the failure is a correct representation or action, and I surely don't believe in hanging a remembrance to that year. It's a silly dog and pony show meant to generate hype. It's cheap PR, something a car salesman is expected to do and it lessens the banners that hang next to it.
83? That was an exception that many disagreed with, but when a coach wins 3 (2 at the time) REAL banners, we can give him the honor of his sentimentality. When you lose a game, you don't cut nets, and, when you are a number one seed and don't reach the Final Four, you don't hang a banner. Everytime I look at that thing, I first smile because it's nice that we won it, really it is, then I think of Syracuse and sigh, deeply. I will forever look at that banner and think of Syracuse. Maybe they should hang it in their place as a prize of battle.