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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marqus Howard on September 21, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
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We're on it.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/charles-matthews-trims-to-10/
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So you're saying there's a chance.
That's one impressive list.
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He's keeping MU and SMU both on the list because he wants to play for Buzz but doesn't know which school Buzz will be at when he's ready to attend college.
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I remember reading that he and Stone have talked about playing together in college. Now that would be a nice little recruiting class.
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I remember reading that he and Stone have talked about playing together in college. Now that would be a nice little recruiting class.
You mean for the Badgers, right?
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You mean for the Badgers, right?
Why are you always so negative?
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Why are you always so negative?
Haha it's sarcasm. Badger fans think they'll actually get those 2 and Looney.
Proud I could prompt you to go from being just an observer to a poster. Welcome to the board.
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Feels good to be in that list. Stone and Matthews in 2015? That would be pretty nuts.
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Feels good to be in that list. Stone and Matthews in 2015? That would be pretty nuts.
Stone, Matthews, Ellenson, and Noskowiak...A four man class where a top 60 player is the lowest ranked addition. That's something to salivate over....long way to go, but I'll continue to dream!
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Charles Matthews trimmed list to 5 today.
The five accrording to his twitter:
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas
Michagin St
Marquette
Getting on the list shows that we are getting closer to recruiting all Americans. Him and Stone would make the perfect class.
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Charles Matthews trimmed list to 5 today.
The five accrordkng to his twitter:
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas
Michagin St
Marquette
Getting on the list shows that we are getting closer to recruiting all Americans. Him and Stone would make the perfect class.
Announcing tomorrow says his mom.
Oh boy.
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Announcing tomorrow says his mom.
Oh boy.
Not optimistic about this one at all but some good company on that list.
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Do we have a chance with him honestly? I don't know much about the kid besides the fact espn has him high on their list. I know it's early but does anyone with more recruiting knowledge than myself think we got an actual chance?
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We out lasted UW, which does not matter much, but I feel good about it. My guess would be he goes to Kansas.
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Hell of a job by Buzz to get into the top 5 for a kid of this caliber.
Kentucky or Illinois is my guess.
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While it's great seeing us get on this list.
It sucks seeing the same ole same ole. Go after the really big boys but come up short to the really big boys.
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Some parents sho nuff be loving Buzz...
LOVE Matthews' length and versatility.
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Does marquettes underachieving year make us less likely that we land Matthews? And the fact that he apparently got a stud in hill coming next year?
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If you wanna look at it optimistically...one of these things is not like the others. Kentucky, MSu, and Kansas surprise noone. Illinois obviously makes sense, but then there's MU. Could have easily been trimmed along with UW, SMU, etc., but weren't. Not predictin, just sayin, they're the odd ball on the list. Hopefully they're there for a reason.
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If you wanna look at it optimistically...one of these things is not like the others. Kentucky, MSu, and Kansas surprise noone. Illinois obviously makes sense, but then there's MU. Could have easily been trimmed along with UW, SMU, etc., but weren't. Not predictin, just sayin, they're the odd ball on the list. Hopefully they're there for a reason.
I like where your heads at...... ;D
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Then there is this from a CSN writer and NY2LA employee......
Scott Phillips @phillipshoops 1m
Early chatter in last 15 minutes for Charles Matthews places best chances with Kentucky and Marquette.
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If you wanna look at it optimistically...one of these things is not like the others. Kentucky, MSu, and Kansas surprise noone. Illinois obviously makes sense, but then there's MU. Could have easily been trimmed along with UW, SMU, etc., but weren't. Not predictin, just sayin, they're the odd ball on the list. Hopefully they're there for a reason.
Great point but also isn't 5 kind of the norm? Unless they go really late and trim to 2 or 3. I think having a 5 teams list is just common.
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Then there is this from a CSN and NY2LA employee......
Scott Phillips @phillipshoops 1m
Early chatter in last 15 minutes for Charles Matthews places best chances with Kentucky and Marquette.
Alright, now I'm starting to lose it.
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This would be a big f*cking deal.
The family has handled the recruitment process very well from what I have seen. Hope he chooses MU, but wish him well if it's somewhere else.
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Does marquettes underachieving year make us less likely that we land Matthews? And the fact that he apparently got a stud in hill coming next year?
No.
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If Matthews commits tomorrow, this winter goes from a major disappointment to a huge success.
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And this from a UK guru.....
Jeff Drummond @JDrumUK 1m
At one point would have thought Charles Matthews was a strong bet for UK, but not feeling that way after talking to a few people tonight.
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And this from a UK guru.....
Jeff Drummond @JDrumUK 1m
At one point would have thought Charles Matthews was a strong bet for UK, but not feeling that way after talking to a few people tonight.
So according to Twitter, the chatter is simultaneously that Kentucky is in a strong and weak position. Have to love recruiting analysts...
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OK in 2015, Duane Wilson, Nick N., JJJ, Ahmed Hill, Cohen and if this happens, Matthews. Matthews is currently the #11 player in class of 2015 per Rivals. Five star recruits like that don't sit on the bench. Hope it happens, but Oh Boy.........
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Great point but also isn't 5 kind of the norm? Unless they go really late and trim to 2 or 3. I think having a 5 teams list is just common.
Sure, but you can still look at it the same way, maybe even more so. If you are gonna keep,5 on your list, who are you more likely to keep, Kentucky, Kansas, and MSU, or Stanford, Wosconsin and SMU (along with Illinois and Marquette)? Again not predicting anything, just a wishful observation.
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Whoa. I don't follow recruiting religiously, but I thought we were basically an afterthought with this kid for a while. I don't know what has changed (if anything) but it would be great to see him in blue and gold, particularly when you see the rest of that top five.
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So according to Twitter, the chatter is simultaneously that Kentucky is in a strong and weak position. Have to love recruiting analysts...
C'mon man, rationalize it the right way...one tweet said most likely MU or UK. Another said UK not a strong bet. Soooooooo...that only leaves one option.
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247 doesn't have much to say about Matthews and MU...
http://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Matthews-23599
But you never know. Here's a fun scenario... would you guys rather 247 be wrong, and we get matthews but miss on stone? or right and we get stone but miss matthews?
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Here's a fun scenario... would you guys rather 247 be wrong, and we get matthews but miss on stone? or right and we get stone but miss matthews?
Yes.
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Stone. Not even close for me.
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247 doesn't have much to say about Matthews and MU...
http://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Matthews-23599
But you never know. Here's a fun scenario... would you guys rather 247 be wrong, and we get matthews but miss on stone? or right and we get stone but miss matthews?
Right on stone and wrong on Matthews. Too much to ask?
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247 doesn't have much to say about Matthews and MU...
http://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Matthews-23599
But you never know. Here's a fun scenario... would you guys rather 247 be wrong, and we get matthews but miss on stone? or right and we get stone but miss matthews?
Greedy get both ;D
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this is my reaction to this news.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3329823/daymare-o.gif)
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Charles Matthews trimmed list to 5 today.
The five accrordkng to his twitter:
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas
Michagin St
Marquette
Getting on the list shows that we are getting closer to recruiting all Americans. Him and Stone would make the perfect class.
We've been this close the last 15 years....just can never seem to land them. Looking at that list, I guess I would be quite surprised if we do, but here's hoping.
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If Matthews commits tomorrow, this winter goes from a major disappointment to a huge success.
Eh
I like getting recruits that are good like anyone else, but when you consider the top 100 guys we've had over the years that didn't pan out, I'd prefer we just get into the tournament this year. Doesn't make up for it at all...next year is next year.
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Eh
I like getting recruits that are good like anyone else, but when you consider the top 100 guys we've had over the years that didn't pan out, I'd prefer we just get into the tournament this year. Doesn't make up for it at all...next year is next year.
I'm not getting my hopes up about landing him but come on you can't honestly be sitting there thinking it's no big deal when we land the highest recruit we've had in at least since pre crean probably wayyy before. And I believe cracked sidewalks or painttouches did a segment about the likelihood of top 100 recruits panning out. It basically said that it's tremendously increased in the top 50 then even moreso in the top 25 or 30. I think it's fair to get excited about a player who could crack the top 10.
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and be our first Mcdonalds all american since Trotter.......
I'm not getting my hopes up about landing him but come on you can't honestly be sitting there thinking it's no big deal when we land the highest recruit we've had in at least since pre crean probably wayyy before. And I believe cracked sidewalks or painttouches did a segment about the likelihood of top 100 recruits panning out. It basically said that it's tremendously increased in the top 50 then even moreso in the top 25 or 30. I think it's fair to get excited about a player who could crack the top 10.
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I'm not getting my hopes up about landing him but come on you can't honestly be sitting there thinking it's no big deal when we land the highest recruit we've had in at least since pre crean probably wayyy before. And I believe cracked sidewalks or painttouches did a segment about the likelihood of top 100 recruits panning out. It basically said that it's tremendously increased in the top 50 then even moreso in the top 25 or 30. I think it's fair to get excited about a player who could crack the top 10.
I don't believe that's what I said. I was countering that it makes this year successful. This year's success is on the basketball court this year, not on the recruits that commit to us this year, they will play for us down the road.
Sure, I would be pleased, no doubt. I just don't think it trumps this year IMO.
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Greedy get both ;D
Well said...and if we land Matthews...absolutely what has been a tougher year than any in 8 years at MU...well, that tough year would just be an afterthought...landing a Top 10-15 kid...can be the 1st domino to fall toward making MU among the elite again...add Stone too...and we are back to the 1970s!
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and be our first Mcdonalds all american since Trotter.......
Depends on if they announce Stone or Matthews first.
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Then there is this from a CSN writer and NY2LA employee......
Scott Phillips @phillipshoops 1m
Early chatter in last 15 minutes for Charles Matthews places best chances with Kentucky and Marquette.
(http://i.imgur.com/IaLG69W.gif)
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and be our first Mcdonalds all american since Trotter.......
Lol, had Terry in a speech class..
Why did Rick kick him out?
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Here is a question that tell us a little bit about him, was he at the DePaul game on Saturday, does anyone know?
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I don't believe that's what I said. I was countering that it makes this year successful. This year's success is on the basketball court this year, not on the recruits that commit to us this year, they will play for us down the road.
Sure, I would be pleased, no doubt. I just don't think it trumps this year IMO.
saying "eh" is pretty much what people say when they don't think it's a big deal. But have it your way. Personally I think the basketball season is all basketball related activities including recruiting so while I wouldnt say the year was a success I would say it's offset a bit.
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saying "eh" is pretty much what people say when they don't think it's a big deal. But have it your way. Personally I think the basketball season is all basketball related activities including recruiting so while I wouldnt say the year was a success I would say it's offset a bit.
Let's just say it almost definitely will include someone leaving as a result, too. That's unfortunate, but that's usually how it works. At my age, its tough to get excited about tomorrow, let alone a kid that will be a freshman not this year, not next year, but the year after. I'll get excited then, but I certainly get your point. If others want to get excited, by all means. I've learned enough over the years that between now and the day the kid steps on campus (if he does), a lot of things will happen to be excited about and to be bummed out about.
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and be our first Mcdonalds all american since Trotter.......
Case in point....how did that work out? ;)
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Twitter suggests that Kentucky, Illinois are the two most likely. Marquette and MSU has a shot. Kansas not likely.
So probably Kansas.
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twittersphere reporting coach cal was at st. rita's practice today. so there's that...
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twittersphere reporting coach cal was at st. rita's practice today. so there's that...
sounds like kentucky, especially with the 24/7 sports "expert" picks as of late. F5 key will still get a workout tomorrow though
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Chicos teams brings in McD's AA's in back to back years & struggles ... He's snake bitten
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twittersphere reporting coach cal was at st. rita's practice today. so there's that...
Definitely appears like UK will get yet another burger boy. One of these days we'll reel one in... hopefully it'll be a 6'10 local kid.
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The thought at one point was that Stone and Matthews wanted to play together in college. Guess Cal's gonna get 2 recruits we were in on.
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The thought at one point was that Stone and Matthews wanted to play together in college. Guess Cal's gonna get 2 recruits we were in on.
Hope coach Cal is just trying to change Matthews' mind ;D
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Chicos teams brings in McD's AA's in back to back years & struggles ... He's snake bitten
LOL. Sorry, KU did just fine. IU won a Big Ten title, first in 20+ years. No snake bites at all.
I could not care less if MU ever signs a Mickey D's player again, the first few didn't work out and the landscape is littered with plenty of flameouts or guys that felt their college team was just a way station. Something to be said about getting kids that haven't been pampered so much. Hopefully this kid isn't like this, regardless of where he goes. A few too many for my tastes are.
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No matter what the result it gives me something to look forward to tomorrow. Cracking the top 5 on a recruit I honestly thought we had zero chance at is a great sign. Heres hoping Matthews is a Golden Eagle by this time tomorrow.
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LOL. Sorry, KU did just fine. IU won a Big Ten title, first in 20+ years. No snake bites at all.
I could not care less if MU ever signs a Mickey D's player again, the first few didn't work out and the landscape is littered with plenty of flameouts or guys that felt their college team was just a way station. Something to be said about getting kids that haven't been pampered so much. Hopefully this kid isn't like this, regardless of where he goes. A few too many for my tastes are.
Serious question: do you care about winning a national title? Because every college team to win the NCAA men's championship since 1978 has had at least one McDonald's All-American on its roster, except for the 2002 Maryland Terrapins. Gotta get the burger boys in order to make the leap. This would be huge for MU. I'm not counting on it happening, but to downplay it if it does happen woul be pretty stupid.
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Hope coach Cal is just trying to change Matthews' mind ;D
He moved it to Wednesday, so maybe there's something to that.
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Wednesday at 8:30 am
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He moved it to Wednesday, so maybe there's something to that.
He had to buy a few more hats so he could pull the old "psyche" when they are on the table?
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Announcing by twitter with his coach to follow up. That's one way to get some twitter followers.
I thought 99% to Kentucky with Cal visiting and Matthews announcing the same day he has a decision. But now that he pushed it back to Wed am I can confidently say Kentucky by 98%
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Take it for what its worth but he does follow Buzz on twitter...Plus I didnt see him following any current players from the other teams hes considering.
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Buzz getting last call tomorrow, maybe?
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I said awhile ago that Charles Matthews was high on us. We are not on this list by accident.
From what I've heard, it's between us and Kentucky. He wants us....but Coach Cal can make promises that Buzz cannot (and should not) make.
Of course, now that I've said this, he's probably going to UCLA ;D
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twittersphere reporting coach cal was at st. rita's practice today. so there's that...
I can confirm that Buzz Williams was also in the building.
I'm not saying we are getting him, but it is between us and Kentucky. We are certainly the underdogs but the parents definitely prefer Marquette.
Never underestimate the power of mom!
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Buzz getting last call tomorrow, maybe?
Or perhaps... Cal's last call just happened.
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May the spirit of St. Rita's oblige Mr. Matthews to Marquette!!!
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May the spirit of St. Rita's oblige Mr. Matthews to Marquette!!!
ZFB's old man went to St Rita's, so that has to help recruiting.
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Thought you once said your old man was named Rita.
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If you wanna look at it optimistically...one of these things is not like the others. Kentucky, MSu, and Kansas surprise noone. Illinois obviously makes sense, but then there's MU. Could have easily been trimmed along with UW, SMU, etc., but weren't. Not predictin, just sayin, they're the odd ball on the list. Hopefully they're there for a reason.
Exactly my first thought on this
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Thought you once said your old man was named Rita.
With that list of 5, my prediction for his final order is:
1. MU
2. MU
3. MU
4. MU
5. MU or:
1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. Indiana
4. MU
5. Illinois
If it is Ky., start a demand for NCAA investigation of Cal, because you know something dirty happened.
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Lol, had Terry in a speech class..
Why did Rick kick him out?
Rick didn't kick Kerry out-are you thinking of someone else?
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Anytime you got Kentucky mentioned as a finalist, common sense/laziness is to pick Kentucky. Consider me optimistic for once.
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Case in point....how did that work out? ;)
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Kerry was a very good player for MU. The problems were the coaches (Hank and Rick) and the absolute failure of other recruits (the rest of his class, for example, was a complete washout). Maybe that's what you meant--having a very good MDAA is no guaranty to success for the program. But if you were disparaging KTs MU career, you are wrong.
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Case in point....how did that work out? ;)
Not sure what you are saying here Chicos, but Trotter had a very good MU career. The teams he played on were not great, but he did well.
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I'm having a hard time sharing in the optimism on this one.
I have zero information or knowledge on Matthews, but we have been on a top recruit's final list many times and they always seem to pick one of the big dogs.
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good lord; i unignored ww to see that reply, and note not only that he agrees with me, but we had a tie in timing. i'm out.
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With that list of 5, my prediction for his final order is:
If it is Ky., start a demand for NCAA investigation of Cal, because you know something dirty happened.
You're 20 years too late.
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good lord; i unignored ww to see that reply, and note not only that he agrees with me, but we had an exact tie in timing. i'm out.
Don't feel bad Lloyd, celebrate. Great minds think alike. Trotter was good.
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FWIW: 247 Sports has his interest to Marquette listed as cool. Kansas is also Cool, MSU is Warm, Ill is Warm, Kentucky is Warmer
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Trtotter had a fine MU career however his HS teammate Vic Lazaretti transferred to Loyola Marymount after 2 years at MU IIRC.
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I've been cautiously optimistic about getting Matthews for a while. The only Illinois pick on 247 switched to Kentucky though within the past day, so hopefully that wasn't based on any inside information.
I think if we get Matthews we'll be in a much better position to get Stone.
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You're 20 years too late.
Sorry, it is never too late to dig up stuff on Shady Calipari.
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Rick didn't kick Kerry out-are you thinking of someone else?
Terry reason.
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Do we have a chance with him honestly? I don't know much about the kid besides the fact espn has him high on their list. I know it's early but does anyone with more recruiting knowledge than myself think we got an actual chance?
My guess is that since he is announcing before Diamond Stone, no.
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possible factor for Kentucky--- pledge of Marian Catholic Tyler Ulis just down the road from St. Rita....
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Terry reason.
Yes. That makes sense.
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Does marquettes underachieving year make us less likely that we land Matthews? And the fact that he apparently got a stud in hill coming next year?
No and no. Players of Matthews' caliber feel that they can lift a program, and he's probably heard that from Buzz, too. Also, a player like Matthews doesn't fear competition like Hill. And there's two perimeter spots, right? None of this is saying that we will get him, however. The competition is fierce.
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With that list of 5, my prediction for his final order is:
1. MU
2. MU
3. MU
4. MU
5. MU or:
1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. Indiana
4. MU
5. Illinois
If it is Ky., start a demand for NCAA investigation of Cal, because you know something dirty happened.
But you wouldn't want him since he's not a big right?
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I can confirm that Buzz Williams was also in the building.
I'm not saying we are getting him, but it is between us and Kentucky. We are certainly the underdogs but the parents definitely prefer Marquette.
Never underestimate the power of mom!
Are you serious about Buzz being at St Rita?
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With that list of 5, my prediction for his final order is:
1. MU
2. MU
3. MU
4. MU
5. MU or:
1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. Indiana
4. MU
5. Illinois
If it is Ky., start a demand for NCAA investigation of Cal, because you know something dirty happened.
Where did you get Indiana from?
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. Kerry was a very good player for MU. The problems were the coaches (Hank and Rick) and the absolute failure of other recruits (the rest of his class, for example, was a complete washout). Maybe that's what you meant--having a very good MDAA is no guaranty to success for the program. But if you were disparaging KTs MU career, you are wrong.
Not disparaging (certainly not to him as an individual player), but what tends to happen with Mickey D recruits is that fans think Moses has joined the team, the Red Sea is going to part and championships just unfold.
We had three McDonald's All Americans over a 3 year period. Downing, Trotter, Rivers. One would think that we would have a ton of success with that core of players. I'll let people decide on their own how they thought that turned out.
Personally, there are some of those McD guys each year that I'd take in a heartbeat and some that I want no part of. Not worth the trouble. End of the day, I want a team that plays well together. That's why I love watching a Creighton or Wichita State, etc. Not the most highly recruited players (some, but by and large no), but they understand their roles and play beautiful basketball.
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Where did you get Indiana from?
Jajuannaman sets 'em up and williewarrior knocks 'em down! Get ready for a classic willie Crean slam!
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twittersphere reporting coach cal was at st. rita's practice today. so there's that...
Is Cal getting nervous?
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LOL. Sorry, KU did just fine. IU won a Big Ten title, first in 20+ years. No snake bites at all.
I could not care less if MU ever signs a Mickey D's player again, the first few didn't work out and the landscape is littered with plenty of flameouts or guys that felt their college team was just a way station. Something to be said about getting kids that haven't been pampered so much. Hopefully this kid isn't like this, regardless of where he goes. A few too many for my tastes are.
Are you sh*ttin' me? Trotter, Downing and Rivers worked out just fine.
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Are you sh*ttin' me? Trotter, Downing and Rivers worked out just fine.
And we went to the NIT with them.
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Not disparaging (certainly not to him as an individual player), but what tends to happen with Mickey D recruits is that fans think Moses has joined the team, the Red Sea is going to part and championships just unfold.
We had three McDonald's All Americans over a 3 year period. Downing, Trotter, Rivers. One would think that we would have a ton of success with that core of players. I'll let people decide on their own how they thought that turned out.
Personally, there are some of those McD guys each year that I'd take in a heartbeat and some that I want no part of. Not worth the trouble. End of the day, I want a team that plays well together. That's why I love watching a Creighton or Wichita State, etc. Not the most highly recruited players (some, but by and large no), but they understand their roles and play beautiful basketball.
Even though I really disagree with your overall attitude in this situation with Matthews I have to agree with you about the Moses thing. I'm sure SJU thought that rysheed Jordan would be Moses (and on the hollandofhoops board they certainly did) but he hasn't been despite being very good. On the other hand look at what he's helped elevate a perennial NIT program to.
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And we went to the NIT with them.
Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days
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Are you sh*ttin' me? Trotter, Downing and Rivers worked out just fine.
This is where I find it interesting.....you see, I've read here a bunch that if you have that many McDonald's All Americans you should have deep runs, go to the Final Four, etc, etc. Again, that's why I said people will have to judge if it worked out.
During that time period with those three playing for MU (together or on their own without the others), we won 1 NCAA tournament game. Now, for me, the NCAA tournament is and always will be a crap shoot. For others here, it seems their definition is different with some ultimately saying NCAA tournament success is the only judge of a team. To each their own, thus I'll leave it to them to decide. However, for those that do believe in that definition, I have to believe if they are consistent they would be disappointed in how our three McD' players produced 1 NCAA tournament win.
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Not disparaging (certainly not to him as an individual player), but what tends to happen with Mickey D recruits is that fans think Moses has joined the team, the Red Sea is going to part and championships just unfold.
We had three McDonald's All Americans over a 3 year period. Downing, Trotter, Rivers. One would think that we would have a ton of success with that core of players. I'll let people decide on their own how they thought that turned out.
Personally, there are some of those McD guys each year that I'd take in a heartbeat and some that I want no part of. Not worth the trouble. End of the day, I want a team that plays well together. That's why I love watching a Creighton or Wichita State, etc. Not the most highly recruited players (some, but by and large no), but they understand their roles and play beautiful basketball.
Well, I love our team without the AA's, but sure would like a couple of AA's that fit into the desired team temperament.
Also, I think you three AA's in three years is misleading, in that they didn't all play together; when doc and KT played together, KT was a frosh; and when downing transferred to play one year with KT, he already was a known commodity who had not lived up to expectations. And the coaching...
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You know, could be that all these twitter sources are saying Kentucky, not because they have any real info, but because they see finalists of Kentucky and MU and think no way that high profile of a kid picks MU over KY. I'm just sayin', they could just be speculating.
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This is where I find it interesting.....you see, I've read here a bunch that if you have that many McDonald's All Americans you should have deep runs, go to the Final Four, etc, etc. Again, that's why I said people will have to judge if it worked out.
During that time period with those three playing for MU (together or on their own without the others), we won 1 NCAA tournament game. Now, for me, the NCAA tournament is and always will be a crap shoot. For others here, it seems their definition is different with some ultimately saying NCAA tournament success is the only judge of a team. To each their own, thus I'll leave it to them to decide. However, for those that do believe in that definition, I have to believe if they are consistent they would be disappointed in how our three McD' players produced 1 NCAA tournament win.
You are failing a basic tenant of logic. That because we had McD's AAs on those teams, and those teams underperformed, that a team with less McD's AAs would have been better.
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Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days
back then it was a 48 team field. Their was no disadvantage to being an independent. Also, in 1983 we lost our first NIT game, we played perennial NIT team Syracuse in Syracuse and lost.
Different era back then.
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Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days
The NCAA tournament field was also smaller then.
Heisenberg beat me by that much.
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Even though I really disagree with your overall attitude in this situation with Matthews I have to agree with you about the Moses thing. I'm sure SJU thought that rysheed Jordan would be Moses (and on the hollandofhoops board they certainly did) but he hasn't been despite being very good. On the other hand look at what he's helped elevate a perennial NIT program to.
I was speaking to some of my UCLA buds yesterday about Kevon Looney...they have no clue who he is. There's no hype here about him at all and I find that to be a WONDERFUL thing for Looney. He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old) will be low because they don't know who he is. Whereas last year with Shabazz and some of the others, the expectations were so ridiculous that it is painful. Even Wiggins with KU this year. They're 18 year old kids and fans expectations for these guys is disjointed in my opinion. Sometimes, I'd rather we get really good players and not the top of the heap guy, because the top of the heap guy is only going to be around 1 year anyway and his dedication to "team" I sometimes question. If you look at a number of the blue chip programs over the last decade, some have certainly done well with these kids, but almost all of them have also had situations where team chemistry, success on the court, etc just don't match the talent for a number of reasons.
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He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old)
Can we get a spread sheet to keep track of how many teams Chicos is a fan of?
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I was speaking to some of my UCLA buds yesterday about Kevon Looney...they have no clue who he is. There's no hype here about him at all and I find that to be a WONDERFUL thing for Looney. He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old) will be low because they don't know who he is. Whereas last year with Shabazz and some of the others, the expectations were so ridiculous that it is painful. Even Wiggins with KU this year. They're 18 year old kids and fans expectations for these guys is disjointed in my opinion. Sometimes, I'd rather we get really good players and not the top of the heap guy, because the top of the heap guy is only going to be around 1 year anyway and his dedication to "team" I sometimes question. If you look at a number of the blue chip programs over the last decade, some have certainly done well with these kids, but almost all of them have also had situations where team chemistry, success on the court, etc just don't match the talent for a number of reasons.
So let me get this straight. Your college basketball teams outside of Marquette are Indiana, Kansas, and UCLA? Must be nice (and easy).
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back then it was a 48 team field. Their was no disadvantage to being an independent. Also, in 1983 we lost our first NIT game, we played perennial NIT team Syracuse in Syracuse and lost.
Different era back then.
I think it was the 20-11 team I was referring to I can't remember what year it was.
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Well, I love our team without the AA's, but sure would like a couple of AA's that fit into the desired team temperament.
Also, I think you three AA's in three years is misleading, in that they didn't all play together; when doc and KT played together, KT was a frosh; and when downing transferred to play one year with KT, he already was a known commodity who had not lived up to expectations. And the coaching...
Amen brother.....if we can get some that fit into the team....AMEN. Therein lies my issue with some of these guys around the NCAA, they don't always buy into that team concept.
Totally understand that they didn't all play together, my point is still that when a McD comes on campus, expectations are through the roof and the results don't always follow. That, and sometimes the whole concept of a McD player is flawed....too political in my opinion in the selection.
At any rate, to each their own. We all want the talent, ultimately I will take slightly less talent for a better team which I think we all would. Honors are great....how does it translate to the team and success is where I'm at with this.
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I think it was the 20-11 team I was referring to I can't remember what year it was.
MU went 20-11 for "a few of those years"?
Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days
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MU went 20-11 for "a few of those years"?
Haha give me a break I literally just woke up, I thought there was another year but after a nice glass of OJ I could only remember one.
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So let me get this straight. Your college basketball teams outside of Marquette are Indiana, Kansas, and UCLA? Must be nice (and easy).
Yeah, but our football has been pretty mediocre....tradeoffs with everything. ;)
Been going to UCLA games since we moved back to the United States during Johnny Wooden days I'm an alum of Marquette, Kansas and Indiana.
It is what it is. Nothing stopping other people from getting an education and cheering for their school(s).
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Haha give me a break I literally just woke up, I thought there was another year but after a nice glass of OJ I could only remember one.
In the immortal words of Bluto....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqpNQ9AJYgU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqpNQ9AJYgU)
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Amen brother.....if we can get some that fit into the team....AMEN. Therein lies my issue with some of these guys around the NCAA, they don't always buy into that team concept.
Totally understand that they didn't all play together, my point is still that when a McD comes on campus, expectations are through the roof and the results don't always follow. That, and sometimes the whole concept of a McD player is flawed....too political in my opinion in the selection.
At any rate, to each their own. We all want the talent, ultimately I will take slightly less talent for a better team which I think we all would. Honors are great....how does it translate to the team and success is where I'm at with this.
Don't you think a McD's AA that signs up to play for Buzz & Marquette over the glamour programs would have the mindset you're looking for?
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Are you serious about Buzz being at St Rita?
Yes indeed sir. Buzz was at St. Rita's last night
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Matthews Set to Announce Tomorrow
Posted by Jackson Clark on February 24, 2014 in Marquette, Recruiting Updates No comments
Chicago St. Rita star Charles Matthews is ready to announce where he will be furthering his education and playing his collegiate basketball tomorrow according to his mother.
Matthews excels in slashing to the hoop and he finishes through contact well. He gets to the free throw line regularly and loves to attack along the baseline. He has a great first step and does an excellent job coming off curl screens and moving without the ball. His catch and attack moves into the lane really exposes the defense. Matthews is an effective on ball defender and has a good defensive feel in help situations.
Among his top five is Marquette. Buzz Williams and Company are looking to add the consensus 5-star shooting guard.
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anyone know when he makes his decision?
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anyone know when he makes his decision?
Wednesday at 8:30 am
Here you go
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NM
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Shooot!!!!
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Always the bridesmaid, and never the bride. But hey...Buzz was "right in there". Hip hip hooray!! That's reason enough to celebrate alone, right?? ::)
From Brian Snow…Charles Matthews Update
Five-star Charles Matthews is set to decide. I am told Marquette was really in there, but right now this one is sounding like UK. I believe the Wildcats are the clear team to beat given the information that has come my way in the last 12-18 hours.
Man, last time muguru was this consistently histrionically negative, MU ripped off a S16, S16 & E8. Exciting times ahead!
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Quick everybody tweet at him
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So let me get this straight. Your college basketball teams outside of Marquette are Indiana, Kansas, and UCLA? Must be nice (and easy).
Nothing wrong with being a fan of college basketball and liking several teams, or not liking some teams. I consider myself a fan and despise ND, and do not like Whisky. Not a fan of Duke either, and really dislike Ky. since Shady Calipatri arrived.
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But you wouldn't want him since he's not a big right?
Never said that, but since you did maybe you can wear that shoe, huh?
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Where did you get Indiana from?
Sorry--my bad--forgot MSU so inserted Indiana. What the hell, Crean was at both schools. Indiana probably has as good a chance as some others. Would not be surprised that Izzo snatches the guy, but rooting for MU.
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Looks like UK all the way on this one. Too bad. Hope it doesn't influence Stone towards UK.
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You are failing a basic tenant of logic. That because we had McD's AAs on those teams, and those teams underperformed, that a team with less McD's AAs would have been better.
No that is just Chicos being chicos. If someone is excited for Mu about anything he finds it his time to be needy of attention and no better way of getting that satisfaction than by being a TROLL.
Not only is this TROLLs logic flawed so are his comments that he throws out as facts. You see Doc, Downing, and Trotter never played together. But why let that get in the way of being a TROLL
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Looks like UK all the way on this one. Too bad. Hope it doesn't influence Stone towards UK.
Yup, even the Illinois guy just flipped to UK
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No that is just Chicos being chicos. If someone is excited for Mu about anything he finds it his time to be needy of attention and no better way of getting that satisfaction than by being a TROLL.
Not only is this TROLLs logic flawed so are his comments that he throws out as facts. You see Doc, Downing, and Trotter never played together. But why let that get in the way of being a TROLL
Trotter and Doc played together. Trotter and Downing played together. Downing and Doc never played together.
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Looks like UK all the way on this one. Too bad. Hope it doesn't influence Stone towards UK.
That is my biggest fear. Not just biggest MU hoops-related fear, biggest fear in life right now. I've literally got the willies as I type this.
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That is my biggest fear. Not just biggest MU hoops-related fear, biggest fear in life right now. I've literally got the willies as I type this.
May have to change your handle to willies warrior.
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No that is just Chicos being chicos. If someone is excited for Mu about anything he finds it his time to be needy of attention and no better way of getting that satisfaction than by being a TROLL.
Not only is this TROLLs logic flawed so are his comments that he throws out as facts. You see Doc, Downing, and Trotter never played together. But why let that get in the way of being a TROLL
If you read what I said, whether they played solo or together (as in combinations), we didn't achieve the success that so many here define success as.
(http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/images/marquette_1983_00000013562.jpg)
(http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/images/marquette_1985_00000012446.jpg)
Rivers and Trotter did play together...we never won a NCAA game with those two McD players on same team. With Rivers alone, we won one. With Trotter alone, we won none. With Downing and Trotter together, we won none.
To read some comments here over the months and years, a team with a McD should be going far, certainly a team with 2. I think its a crapshoot, but others define success as how far you go.
I so missed you Dimes, keep them coming.
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You are failing a basic tenant of logic. That because we had McD's AAs on those teams, and those teams underperformed, that a team with less McD's AAs would have been better.
I don't feel I'm saying that at all. Instead, I'm saying that those that think simply having McD's AA = success is not always the case. Depends, of course, how you define success which I'll leave to those on the board, but I have offered what I have read about how success is defined. Maybe some people want to change their views of it, that's up to them.
High expectations come with McD's AA players, it doesn't always translate to success (depending on how one defines it). Nothing more, nothing less. If the team had less McD AA's or none, I have no idea if they would have been better. I'm merely pointing out the mere presence of one or more doesn't mean success, either....despite fans getting all lathered up like Moses is coming down from the mount.
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That is my biggest fear. Not just biggest MU hoops-related fear, biggest fear in life right now. I've literally got the willies as I type this.
The problem with these big-time recruits as that they don't view college as a way to blaze their own path and lift a school up--for the most part, it's a means or merely a vessel to get to the next level. They want to be in a position that makes it as likely as possible to get to the next level. As much as I hate Calipari and Kentucky, he has a ridiculous track record of feeding players into the NBA and the kids get showered with lavish praise on the way at a huge program with endless support. I don't think these kids mind getting "lost" in the shuffle as long as they're getting to the next level.
Of course, there are the special ones that do want to blaze their own path and don't need the reputation of a school to artifically bolster their game...
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No that is just Chicos being chicos. If someone is excited for Mu about anything he finds it his time to be needy of attention and no better way of getting that satisfaction than by being a TROLL.
Not only is this TROLLs logic flawed so are his comments that he throws out as facts. You see Doc, Downing, and Trotter never played together. But why let that get in the way of being a TROLL
I know that Chicos bothers a lot of people, but calling him a troll is inaccurate.
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Never said that, but since you did maybe you can wear that shoe, huh?
Are you saying that I should be the next guy to constantly be upset in every thread that we don't have a five star big?
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Yup, even the Illinois guy just flipped to UK
They have a points system for guessing correctly, so I would guess he doesn't want to be the only one to miss if he does go to UK - not that he has any inside info. If Matthews doesn't go there, everyone is wrong so they all get dinged for it anyway. Might as well try to bump up your stats.
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
Double Hmm...
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
Actually says, "Expect the unexpected. Shocker..."
Let the Wichita State rumors begin!!
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
Just saw that. Won't get my hopes up as he probably just wants an element of surprise to his decision. Reporters ruin it for these kids.
That said.....who knows? Maybe we are all pleasantly surprised in 19 hours.
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Yeah, but our football has been pretty mediocre....tradeoffs with everything. ;)
Been going to UCLA games since we moved back to the United States during Johnny Wooden days I'm an alum of Marquette, Kansas and Indiana.
which football do you mean, UCLA, IN or KS?
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Actually says, "Expect the unexpected. Shocker..."
Let the Wichita State rumors begin!!
Kentucky, Kansas and Illinois = Not unexpected. Would MSU?
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
I'm going to say this is very good news.
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which football do you mean, UCLA, IN or KS?
MU....really bad the last 40 years.
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Kentucky, Kansas and Illinois = Not unexpected. Would MSU?
He hasn't taken a visit to Kansas yet and has to every other school, I'd put Kansas in last at this point.
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He hasn't taken a visit to Kansas yet and has to every other school, I'd put Kansas in last at this point.
OR! would that make THEM the shocker???
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But if I expect the unexpected, doesn't that make the unexpected the expected...but what if that's what he wants us to expect? My brain hurts. These kids are too smart for their own good.
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If the young man picks us tomorrow, Scoop will blow up!
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I will sh it bricks if he actually picks us.
It really is the norm for us though, close yet so far away.
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Hanging onto every word a 17-year-old posts on his Twitter account. I had higher hopes for myself. Oh well.
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So does he do that hats on the table? The pennants? Maybe the mascot heads a la Lee Corso? Is one school going to be called and then punk'd, leading to the YouTube Illinois craziness last year?
There is so much wrong with this it is frightening. No wonder some of these guys think the world worships them when you get reactions like this.
https://www.youtube.com/v/vGkmQWcaRYA
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So does he do that hats on the table? The pennants? Maybe the mascot heads a la Lee Corso? Is one school going to be called and then punk'd, leading to the YouTube Illinois craziness last year?
There is so much wrong with this it is frightening. No wonder some of these guys think the world worships them when you get reactions like this.
https://www.youtube.com/v/vGkmQWcaRYA
#firstworldproblems
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Im hoping for a fake out by him taking off the hats one by one, then when its between us and Kentucky he puts on the Kentucky hat smiles, and rips it off and throws it across the room only to put the MU hat on.
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So does he do that hats on the table? The pennants? Maybe the mascot heads a la Lee Corso? Is one school going to be called and then punk'd, leading to the YouTube Illinois craziness last year?
There is so much wrong with this it is frightening. No wonder some of these guys think the world worships them when you get reactions like this.
I agree, but we are all part of the problem to some degree. I try not to get lathered up about the decisions of 17 and 18 year olds, but recruiting is an intriguing and exciting part of college sports. I refuse to follow recruits on twitter and I won't visit or subscribe to recruiting websites because I don't really like what recruiting has become, and there is just something creepy about grown men and women following every comment a teenager makes.
That stated, here I am commenting in a 7 page thread about a high school kid, and I will certainly be checking Scoop tomorrow morning to see what decision Matthews made.
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I agree, but we are all part of the problem to some degree. I try not to get lathered up about the decisions of 17 and 18 year olds, but recruiting is an intriguing and exciting part of college sports. I refuse to follow recruits on twitter and I won't visit or subscribe to recruiting websites because I don't really like what recruiting has become, and there is just something creepy about grown men and women following every comment a teenager makes.
That stated, here I am commenting in a 7 page thread about a high school kid, and I will certainly be checking Scoop tomorrow morning to see what decision Matthews made.
Well stated
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Some on Twitter are pointing to Calipari's strong relationship with Matthews' AAU team. We'll know in 17 hours and 30 minutes.
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Some on Twitter are pointing to Calipari's strong relationship with Matthews' AAU team. We'll know in 17 hours and 30 minutes.
Many thought the Ulis recruitment was in fact Calipari staying close to the Meanstreets program and specifically Matthews.
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Many thought the Ulis recruitment was in fact Calipari staying close to the Meanstreets program and specifically Matthews.
Didn't Wade play for Meanstreets?
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One of the biggest reasons Buzz hired Chew was for his Chicago recruiting. This could be the big payoff.
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I wonder if bigdaddy has any information
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I wonder if bigdaddy has any information
+1 as everyone else is guessing
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Hanging onto every word a 17-year-old posts on his Twitter account. I had higher hopes for myself. Oh well.
We went crazy when Doc announced. It was not at today's decibel level, but a Burger boy coming to MU is always big news.
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I wonder if bigdaddy has any information
Good call. I need me some Big Daddy.
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Big Daddy, give us an inkling...
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Well if its like Beetlejuice say his name 3 times and he appears he sould be here any second...
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Good call. I need me some Big Daddy.
nh?
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How about this....Mark Miller batted 100% for 2014 prospects that Marquette was involved with. Not only correctly picked every prospect that Marquette ended up with (Hill, Shayok, Pierce), but two that went elsewhere (Cassell, Tory Miller).
This morning Mark picked Kentucky for Matthews.
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How about this....Mark Miller batted 100% for 2014 prospects that Marquette was involved with. Not only correctly picked every prospect that Marquette ended up with (Hill, Shayok, Pierce), but two that went elsewhere (Cassell, Tory Miller).
This morning Mark picked Kentucky for Matthews.
So there it is.
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How about this....Mark Miller batted 100% for 2014 prospects that Marquette was involved with. Not only correctly picked every prospect that Marquette ended up with (Hill, Shayok, Pierce), but two that went elsewhere (Cassell, Tory Miller).
This morning Mark picked Kentucky for Matthews.
F you Sultan!
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Ah well. We were close. Unfortunately close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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How about this....Mark Miller batted 100% for 2014 prospects that Marquette was involved with. Not only correctly picked every prospect that Marquette ended up with (Hill, Shayok, Pierce), but two that went elsewhere (Cassell, Tory Miller).
This morning Mark picked Kentucky for Matthews.
I noticed this as well.
However, Jerry Meyer had the same streak going for him with MU related picks. That ended today when Jarvis Garrett picked URI
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Didn't Wade play for Meanstreets?
Pretty sure he and ODB were with the Illinois Warriors.
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Pretty sure he and ODB were with the Illinois Warriors.
Correct. Darrius Miles was also on the team.
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http://blogs.courier-journal.com/recruiting/2014/02/25/5-star-junior-kentucky-target-charles-matthews-to-annouce-college-decision-wednesday/
Kentucky article with AAU reference.
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Ah well. We were close. Unfortunately close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Don't jump just yet! I can assure you that Mark Miller has been wrong before--we just have to venture out beyond that tiny sample size.
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https://twitter.com/CMATT_4
"Expect the unexpected."
Hmm...
4ever praising Tom Crean???
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Didnt even notice that tweet. Optimism just shot right back up.
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How about this....Mark Miller batted 100% for 2014 prospects that Marquette was involved with. Not only correctly picked every prospect that Marquette ended up with (Hill, Shayok, Pierce), but two that went elsewhere (Cassell, Tory Miller).
This morning Mark picked Kentucky for Matthews.
Boy, that's messing with my happy.
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Boy, that's messing with my happy.
To me, Miller had to put in an educated guess today. If I were him, I would pick Kentucky, too, based on their pedigree and the Calipari visit. But neither of those things are determinative, I am still expecting the unexpected. If it is Kentucky, then Matthews owes us an explanation regarding that tweet, STAT!
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That tweet is interesting. On one level I'm excited because I've been hearing that it is us or UK for awhile now and we are definitely the more unexpected of the two.
On another level, maybe he saying it's unexpected because a third school recently played their way in.
On another more probable level, this guy is enjoying focking with a bunch of grown ass men before making his decision
I'm going to stick with what I have heard and say it is between us and UK. I would not be surprised if he truly hasn't made up his mind yet.
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To me, Miller had to put in an educated guess today. If I were him, I would pick Kentucky, too, based on their pedigree and the Calipari visit. \
Just reminding everyone that Buzz was at St. Rita's as well.
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Just reminding everyone that Buzz was at St. Rita's as well.
As you should. Thanks.
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This board is going to explode tomorrow morning if he commits.
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This board is going to explode tomorrow morning if he commits.
Does it implode if he doesn't?
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I believe Wade played with the Mac Irvin Fire AAU team.I also think Crean had a falling out with them.
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Does it implode if he doesn't?
If its anywhere besides Kentucky, maybe.
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Just reminding everyone that Buzz was at St. Rita's as well.
Buzz and Cal in the same room must've been pretty interesting. Kinda like Fire and Ice in terms of their personalities and beliefs...
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Buzz and Cal in the same room must've been pretty interesting. Kinda like Fire and Ice in terms of their personalities and beliefs...
Well, Buzz would certainly realize that the citations on the top of Matthew's Twitter page are from the Bible, not sure that Cal would.
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Well, Buzz would certainly realize that the citations on the top of Matthew's Twitter page are from the Bible, not sure that Cal would.
Cal goes to church everyday. I'm not kidding you.
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Cal goes to church everyday. I'm not kidding you.
Maybe he has a lot to atone for.
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Wishful thinking for sure....to keep hope alive....is it at all "interesting" that everyone felt Garrett was going to come to MU, wanted to be at MU...and Buzz was slow playing that recruitment...and for Garrett to commit to URI within 18 hours of Matthews announcement....not sure Buzz would want to tie up another scholarship if Matthews were going to commit too...again..wishful and hopeful thinking!
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I don't know if anyone posted this or not....
Scott Phillips: Contributor CSNChicago, CBTonNBC, NY2LAsports tweets yesterday at 9:05 PM:
"Early chatter in last 15 minutes for Charles Matthews places best chances with Kentucky and Marquette"
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If its anywhere besides Kentucky, maybe.
Nah. Could certainly make a case for any of the other 4 on that list.
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Cal goes to church everyday. I'm not kidding you.
Lots of atoning to do.
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Anybody remind Matthews who has won the last 2 (at least) NCAA Tournament meetings between the 2 teams?
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Anybody remind Matthews who has won the last 2 (at least) NCAA Tournament meetings between the 2 teams?
Pretty sure it's the last 3
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To me, Miller had to put in an educated guess today. If I were him, I would pick Kentucky, too, based on their pedigree and the Calipari visit. But neither of those things are determinative, I am still expecting the unexpected. If it is Kentucky, then Matthews owes us an explanation regarding that tweet, STAT!
Well of course he has been wrong before. But I bet that some of these might be more than educated guesses.
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Bullseye Brothers say that last tweet from Matthews is a clue as to when he will start playing for the school of his choice, not a clue as to who the school is.
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Watch Matthews decision live here tomorrow morning
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/341976
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Bullseye Brothers say that last tweet from Matthews is a clue as to when he will start playing for the school of his choice, not a clue as to who the school is.
Rumors about him reclassifying to 2014. Cal pulls another Nerlens Noel?
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Rumors about him reclassifying to 2014. Cal pulls another Nerlens Noel?
If that's true could it be unexpected in multiple ways? A potential 2014 recruit who apparently wanted to be here just committed elsewhere...
Nah, it ain't happenin'.
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This board is going to explode tomorrow morning if he commits.
Does it implode if he doesn't?
Why am I not surprised that Heisenberg posted that? Well done.
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Who else was in the running for Doc? I want to say Kentucky, but I don't know if I'm remembering correctly.
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Rumors about him reclassifying to 2014. Cal pulls another Nerlens Noel?
Maybe that's why Garrett went to URI....Mathews taking his 2014 slot.
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Maybe he has a lot to atone for.
Not going to question his motives, just know he does.
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Not going to question his motives, just know he does.
Do you watch house of cards? I think of him as Francis Underwood.
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Two guards thinking of going to MU; but one decides to go URI just one day before the other guard is going to decides where he will play BB. Logic tells me it should be MU.
No inside information, just using logic .
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If he's really re classifying I think that definitely points to UK.
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Never try to use logic when trying to figure out a 16 year old kid's decision making process..........
Two guards thinking of going to MU; but one decides to go URI just one day before the other guard is going to decides where he will play BB. Logic tells me it should be MU.
No inside information, just using logic .
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Two guards thinking of going to MU; but one decides to go URI just one day before the other guard is going to decides where he will play BB. Logic tells me it should be MU.
No inside information, just using logic .
Or there wasn't a scholarship open and he didn't want to be stuck behind the 8 ball this spring. When 100% of the "experts" pick UK, the chances are slim. But I hope you're right.
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Bullseye Brothers say that last tweet from Matthews is a clue as to when he will start playing for the school of his choice, not a clue as to who the school is.
Who are the bullseye brothers?
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Roy and Harv Schmidt. Very connected recruiting experts in Chicago.
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Who are the bullseye brothers?
They make bbq sauce.
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Roy and Harv Schmidt. Very connected recruiting experts in Chicago.
Oh the ilprepsbullseye site? I forgot about that site. didn't know it was run by brothers though now that I'm looking at it it's pretty obvious.
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Never try to use logic when trying to figure out a 16 year old kid's decision making process..........
or a woman! am i right, fellas??
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Good to see we are in the mix on Mr. Matthews. I have long awaited the day when Chicago kids say "I want to stay close to home. So it's between Marquette and [insert BlueBlood here]."
Kentucky is virtually a D-league team, but a few things to consider:
*MU plays in the most historic bball conference of all time
*MU is better academically
*MU is very close to home
*Milwaukee >>>> Lexington
*MU follows its guys. I don't know this for sure, but do Kentucky fans actually care about their guys once they reach the NBA? Maybe it's because we don't have as many players in the NBA as Kentucky does, but I root hard (HARD!) for the Bulls, Blazers, Raptors, Mavs, and Heat. Guys here even check D-league game box scores to make sure Vander, DJO, Zar, Rel, and Lockett are thriving. I'm even considering going to an 87ers game to root on Vander.
I really have no idea, but just based on pure speculation, UK fans strike me as the kind who subconsciously view their players as merely a means to an end--once you leave the b-ball team, you're just some other dude who Coach Cal used to boost his CV.
If I go to the Kentucky board, will I find a thread on Walter McCarty's whereabouts? I doubt it (but would welcome being shown otherwise).
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*Milwaukee >>>> Lexington
I was down there last year during madness. The ladies and the bars completely top what Milwaukee has to offer.
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Who else was in the running for Doc? I want to say Kentucky, but I don't know if I'm remembering correctly.
It was between DePaul and MU for Doc. It was between Marquette and Kentucky for Dean Marquardt. It also was between Marquette and Kentucky for Sam Bowie. Back then there was no internet and I had to wait for tv sports for the announcement on whether Marquardt was going to Marquette University or the University of Kentucky. Maybe it was the first psyche out, because the sports announcer announce that Marquardt's choice was the University of Marquette.
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If he does not reclassify, it will be exactly 10 years since the last basketball player with the last name of Matthews stepped foot onto Marquettes campus. Its a sign. ;)
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Good to see we are in the mix on Mr. Matthews. I have long awaited the day when Chicago kids say "I want to stay close to home. So it's between Marquette and [insert BlueBlood here]."
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You mean guys like:
-Steve Taylor Jr.
-Maurice Acker
-Jerel McNeal
-Ousmane Barro
-Joe Chapman
-Todd Townsend
-Dameon Mason
-Dwyane Wade
I suppose I see your point, but only in reference to higher ranked Chicago players. I think we've done a decent job recruiting close to home. What Chicago players in the last 10 years did we have even an outside shot at, and that we really wanted, but didn't get?
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You mean guys like:
-Steve Taylor Jr.
-Maurice Acker
-Jerel McNeal
-Ousmane Barro
-Joe Chapman
-Todd Townsend
-Dameon Mason
-Dwyane Wade
I suppose I see your point, but only in reference to higher ranked Chicago players. I think we've done a decent job recruiting close to home. What Chicago players in the last 10 years did we have even an outside shot at, and that we really wanted, but didn't get?
Kendrick Nunn was one I believe.
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It was between DePaul and MU for Doc. It was between Marquette and Kentucky for Dean Marquardt. It also was between Marquette and Kentucky for Sam Bowie. Back then there was no internet and I had to wait for tv sports for the announcement on whether Marquardt was going to Marquette University or the University of Kentucky. Maybe it was the first psyche out, because the sports announcer announce that Marquardt's choice was the University of Marquette.
Yup, MU in the final three for Bowie ... crazy how many guys MU just missed in that era (Rod Foster, Joe Wolf, Ricky Olson, just to name a few), though it seemed that UK was always gonna land Bowie (Tark's book had great details on that)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19790328&id=-z1OAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Ke4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4045,7410149 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19790328&id=-z1OAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Ke4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4045,7410149)
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Kendrick Nunn was one I believe.
Yup, he'd count as one we didn't get.
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So you're telling me there's a chance!?!
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac62/JAK_60/there-s-a-chance-dumb-and-dumb_o_GIFSoupcom.gif)
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I doubt we get Charles Matthews but I think its cool that we are in his top 5
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Yup, he'd count as one we didn't get.
Shumpert? Shaw?
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Shumpert? Shaw?
Shumpert ended up being addition by subtraction.
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Shumpert ended up being addition by subtraction.
How do you figure?
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How do you figure?
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Shumpert turning us down was the "event" that lead to Crean leaving.
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If he does not reclassify, it will be exactly 10 years since the last basketball player with the last name of Matthews stepped foot onto Marquettes campus. Its a sign. ;)
So does this mean that Wes Matthews has been wiped from our memory?
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I now realize you're talking about Wesley Matthews.
I'm such a MU savant I was thinking you were talking about James "Manchild" Matthews who was kicked off the 2004 team.
The fact that I remembered "manchild" and thought if him when I read your comments scares me!!
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/matthews_james00.html
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Shumpert turning us down was the "event" that lead to Crean leaving.
+1
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Yeah, what use would we have had for a future 1st round pick?
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Shumpert turning us down was the "event" that lead to Crean leaving.
I thought it was the firing of K. Sampson.
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Shumpert turning us down was the "event" that lead to Crean leaving.
Really? huh... well I still wish he'd come minus Crean.
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So does this mean that Wes Matthews has been wiped from our memory?
I'm pretty sure that is who he is talking about, 2005 - 2015 = ten years
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I'm pretty sure that is who he is talking about, 2005 - 2015 = ten years
Yupp, believe it or not its been that long.
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Yupp, believe it or not its been that long.
I'm such a MU savant I was thinking you were talking about James "Manchild" Matthews who was kicked off the 2004 team.
The fact that I remembered "manchild" and thought if him when I read your comments scares me!!
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/matthews_james00.html
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Good to see we are in the mix on Mr. Matthews. I have long awaited the day when Chicago kids say "I want to stay close to home. So it's between Marquette and [insert BlueBlood here]."
Kentucky is virtually a D-league team, but a few things to consider:
*MU plays in the most historic bball conference of all time
*MU is better academically
*MU is very close to home
*Milwaukee >>>> Lexington
*MU follows its guys. .
MU used to play in the best BBall conference of all time.
Milwaukee <<<<<<<<<<<< Lexington. I would guess you have never been there.
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I'm pretty sure that is who he is talking about, 2005 - 2015 = ten years
Um.... that would be 11 years.
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Um.... that would be 11 years.
2005-06 season to 2015-16? 10 years unless my math is really that bad.
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Duane Wilson and Matthews are tweeting with each other. Is that a sign from the God's?
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Duane Wilson and Matthews are tweeting with each other. Is that a sign from the God's?
I think that's DJ Williams who committed to Illinois, plays at Simeon.
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I was down there last year during madness. The ladies and the bars completely top what Milwaukee has to offer.
Omg it is not even close. Lexington is ridiculous.
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Duane Wilson and Matthews are tweeting with each other. Is that a sign from the God's?
Duane is transferring to Kentucky?!?
Joking.
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Duane is transferring to Kentucky?!?
Joking.
Missouri or Tennessee more likely.
Joking...I think....maybe...not sure anymroe
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2005-06 season to 2015-16? 10 years unless my math is really that bad.
It is. That would be 11 years.
Think of it this way. 0 through 10 would seem to be 10 numbers, right? but count them up.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 = 11
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It is. That would be 11 years.
Think of it this way. 0 through 10 would seem to be 10 numbers, right? but count them up.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 = 11
Well is a good think im going to be a Physical Therapist and not an anesthesiolgist, ay?
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Well is a good think im going to be a Physical Therapist and not an anesthesiolgist, ay?
Yeah, if I had a nickel for every time I made a mistake like that - I'd have a whole lot of nickels.
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MU used to play in the best BBall conference of all time.
Milwaukee <<<<<<<<<<<< Lexington. I would guess you have never been there.
MU still plays in the best basketball conference. Everyone else is a football conference. There is value in being the only show in town.
Lexington doesn't have sh*t on Milwaukee. And yes I have been there. It's an even more backward Grand Rapids, MI. I'm gonna assume some "Chicago bias" is at work here
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MU used to play in the best BBall conference of all time.
Milwaukee <<<<<<<<<<<< Lexington. I would guess you have never been there.
I have family in Lexington and they went to UK....Milwaukee is far better than Lexington. Its a quaint horse and college town but nothing that says super exciting.
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Lexington is great place to see tits on the first Saturday in May. You can skip the rest of the year.
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27 mins to go
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Kentucky
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The spirit of St. Rita will prevail, MU
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The spirit of St. Rita will prevail, MU
I hope you're right
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For the truly pathetic....
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/341976 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/341976)
Just happened to see it on twitter and thought I'd share.
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Anyone know anything about his brother (2014). He's not as good, but seems to have D1 offers.
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It is. That would be 11 years.
Think of it this way. 0 through 10 would seem to be 10 numbers, right? but count them up.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 = 11
You can count zero as a number, but in 2015 only 10 years will have passed since 2005.
In 2006 - 1 year passed
In 2007 - 2 years passed
In 2008 - 3 years passed
In 2009 - 4 years passed
In 2010 - 5 years passed
In 2011 - 6 years passed
In 2012 - 7 years passed
In 2013 - 8 years passed
In 2014 - 9 years passed
In 2015 - 10 years passed
You must be a programmer thinking of array element[0].
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It is. That would be 11 years.
Think of it this way. 0 through 10 would seem to be 10 numbers, right? but count them up.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 = 11
Picking nits here, but this is wrong. The statement was that it has been ten years since Matthews stepped foot on campus. If that happened in 2005, then 2006 would have been the first year "since he stepped foot on campus" making 2015 ten years since it happened.
Oops. Rocky beat me to it.
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Nothing yet?
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Choppy feed. Says I'm live but I may be 5 minutes behind.
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Same
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For the truly pathetic....
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/341976 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/341976)
Just happened to see it on twitter and thought I'd share.
I signed in says over 20,000 connections.
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UK - He just pulled out the hat and put it on.
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Kentucky
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As expected...Kentucky
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Welp!!!!
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All right, JJJ, time to step up next year.
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All right, JJJ, time to step up next year.
Matthews is a 2015 recruit.
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Someone needs to be on Twitter retweeting bad Illini fan tweets.
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Matthews is a 2015 recruit.
So, if the FBI can shutdown UK before the November signing period, we have a chance!!
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Matthews is a 2015 recruit.
Rumored to be reclassifying to 2014
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Someone needs to be on Twitter retweeting bad Illini fan tweets.
Or the BlueMan can just bash him on Twitter himself!
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Damn Calipari!!!
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Matthews is a 2015 recruit.
Yes, I realize that, but we're going to presumptively ride it out with JJJ at the 2 assuming Hill plays at the point. It'll be interesting to see how that works out at the 1 and 2 between D Wilson, Hill, Du. Wilson, and JJJ next year. I could see us going small and playing JJJ at the 3--though he might not be so far off from a 3 if he beefs up in the off season.
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money talks
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Now we can get back to the real issue---
Does 2015-2005 really = 10?
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Rumored to be reclassifying to 2014
Said nothing about it at the annoucement
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Quick, sure bet route to the Association. People really got issues with his choice?
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Quick, sure bet route to the Association. People really got issues with his choice?
It wasn't good enough for Kevon.
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Someone needs to be on Twitter retweeting bad Illini fan tweets.
Don't be redundant
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Did he even have a MU hat in front of him?
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Don't be redundant
I've been searching, only a couple which is blowing my mind.
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Did he even have a MU hat in front of him?
No hats, just announced and put the KU hat on.
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Did he even have a MU hat in front of him?
Just pulled the UK hat out of what I want to say was a St. Rita bag.
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Many different ways to skin a cat, Murray. I don't have a problem with Kevon's choice. In fact, after recently talking to him and his family, I think he made a great selection and support it. Look, he made it known early on, that he wanted to go away from home. You haven't heard the last of Looney. Trust me on this one. The kid is a terrific player, is an even better person, and has the support of a wonderful, loving father, mother, brother, and sister.
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Posted several times on Twitter, this is Cailpari's 24th 5-star recruit since he came to Kentucky in 2009.
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No hats, just announced and put the KU hat on.
He's going to Kansas?
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He's going to Kansas?
Don't you wish there, fella.
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Kentucky
Was there really any doubt? Hate to tell you but we're not there yet. Our superstar will come from Milwaukee Public/Private Schools or Junior college until we win a championship or start a a freshmen. Until then, we lose every time to blue bloods.
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Just pulled the UK hat out of what I want to say was a St. Rita bag.
No he pulled it out of Shady's butt.
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Don't you wish there, fella.
KU = Kansas
UK = Kentucky
;)
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Many different ways to skin a cat, Murray. I don't have a problem with Kevon's choice. In fact, after recently talking to him and his family, I think he made a great selection and support it. Look, he made it known early on, that he wanted to go away from home. You haven't heard the last of Looney. Trust me on this one. The kid is a terrific player, is an even better person, and has the support of a wonderful, loving father, mother, brother, and sister.
I wasn't criticizing Kevon's decision. In fact, I was giving it credibility as an example that a player can turn down Kentucky and still be making a great decision.
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I wasn't criticizing Kevon's decision. In fact, I was giving it credibility as an example that a player can turn down Kentucky and still be making a great decision.
He turned down one blue blood where he won't have to go to class for another blue blood where he won't have to go to class. Not quite an equal comparison to Kentucky over Marquette
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He turned down one blue blood where he won't have to go to class for another blue blood where he won't have to go to class. Not quite an equal comparison to Kentucky over Marquette
He turned down a coach who has actually won something, for a coach who hasn't, and is a prick of a human being as well.
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He turned down a coach who has actually won something, for a coach who hasn't, and is a prick of a human being as well.
That's assuming it was his decision.
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Posted several times on Twitter, this is Cailpari's 24th 5-star recruit since he came to Kentucky in 2009.
Has Cal won, one National Championship since being at Kentucky? Can't recall...
Obviously a lot of the 5-star guys have been 1 and 2 and done kind of guys....but....if he's averaging roughly 4, 5-star recruits per year...you'd expect that he'd at least have 1 National Championship in those 4, years....
Is he a great coach, or better recruiter than coach? Hard to be considered a great coach without any talent to help you win...so you do need some talent regardless...
Kentucky is what it is - a blue blood in every sense - and there are likely some things in play at Kentucky as far as how far they are willing to push the boundaries on ethical recruiting practices that other schools might not be as willing to...then lots of politics involved with the AAU circuit, shoe deals, World Wide Wes...that can all influence these things..
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Has Cal won, one National Championship since being at Kentucky? Can't recall...
Obviously a lot of the 5-star guys have been 1 and 2 and done kind of guys....but....if he's averaging roughly 4, 5-star recruits per year...you'd expect that he'd at least have 1 National Championship in those 4, years....
Is he a great coach, or better recruiter than coach? Hard to be considered a great coach without any talent to help you win...so you do need some talent regardless...
Kentucky is what it is - a blue blood in every sense - and there are likely some things in play at Kentucky as far as how far they are willing to push the boundaries on ethical recruiting practices that other schools might not be as willing to...then lots of politics involved with the AAU circuit, shoe deals, World Wide Wes...that can all influence these things..
You're too kind.
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Has Cal won, one National Championship since being at Kentucky? Can't recall...
Obviously a lot of the 5-star guys have been 1 and 2 and done kind of guys....but....if he's averaging roughly 4, 5-star recruits per year...you'd expect that he'd at least have 1 National Championship in those 4, years....
Is he a great coach, or better recruiter than coach? Hard to be considered a great coach without any talent to help you win...so you do need some talent regardless...
Kentucky is what it is - a blue blood in every sense - and there are likely some things in play at Kentucky as far as how far they are willing to push the boundaries on ethical recruiting practices that other schools might not be as willing to...then lots of politics involved with the AAU circuit, shoe deals, World Wide Wes...that can all influence these things..
I can't tell if you're joking, but yes, Cal has a NC.
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He turned down a coach who has actually won something, for a coach who hasn't, and is a prick of a human being as well.
Not hearin' the prick part. Actually, just the opposite.
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Just pulled the UK hat out of what I want to say was a St. Rita bag.
...full of money.
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Has Cal won, one National Championship since being at Kentucky? Can't recall...
Obviously a lot of the 5-star guys have been 1 and 2 and done kind of guys....but....if he's averaging roughly 4, 5-star recruits per year...you'd expect that he'd at least have 1 National Championship in those 4, years....
Is he a great coach, or better recruiter than coach? Hard to be considered a great coach without any talent to help you win...so you do need some talent regardless...
Kentucky is what it is - a blue blood in every sense - and there are likely some things in play at Kentucky as far as how far they are willing to push the boundaries on ethical recruiting practices that other schools might not be as willing to...then lots of politics involved with the AAU circuit, shoe deals, World Wide Wes...that can all influence these things..
Yeah, he has one, then again last year they missed the NCAA. Eventually, I think that Cal will learn that he needs to mix a few four year types in with the one and dones, if he wants a more consistent program. Then again, maybe Kentucky isn't looking for consistency. Maybe there they are willing to put up with disappointing years in order to increase the number of years where they are legitimate National Championship favorites.
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Not hearin' the prick part. Actually, just the opposite.
Then they aren't paying attention. Then again, Dwyane Wade fell for your boy Tom Crean, so maybe they just haven't figure him out yet.
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...full of money.
Me like.
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I can't tell if you're joking, but yes, Cal has a NC.
and an NIT appearance (last year) and a middling 4 seed team this year.
Loading up with one and done talents is a real crap shoot. You start the year with legitimate aspiration of a NC but could end up in the NIT instead. No consistency.
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He turned down a coach who has actually won something, for a coach who hasn't, and is a prick of a human being as well.
Sultan--Shady has won something--a national title with Davis while the Coach you alledge has won something only shares a Beast regular season crown. You might want to rephrase.
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Sultan--Shady has won something--a national title with Davis while the Coach you alledge has won something only shares a Beast regular season crown. You might want to rephrase.
You may want to follow the discussion more closely.
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I can't tell if you're joking, but yes, Cal has a NC.
Nope..wasn't kidding...wasn't sure if he had one at Kentucky...couldn't recall and didn't feel like researching! Thanks for clearing up...
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Nope..wasn't kidding...wasn't sure if he had one at Kentucky...couldn't recall and didn't feel like researching! Thanks for clearing up...
Yes one NC ... for now. Remember his FF appearances at Umass (Marcus Camby) and Memphis (Derek Rose) have been vacated.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0)
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He turned down one blue blood where he won't have to go to class for another blue blood where he won't have to go to class. Not quite an equal comparison to Kentucky over Marquette
He'll be going to class at UCLA.
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I'd love to see a list from some of these posters as to which schools cheat and which do not. They sure seem to think they know, so why not just give us a list we can use for reference. Maybe let us know which schools require you to take classes and which ones don't.
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I'd love to see a list from some of these posters as to which schools cheat and which do not. They sure seem to think they know, so why not just give us a list we can use for reference. Maybe let us know which schools require you to take classes and which ones don't.
I don't think it's a matter of cheating as much as it is a matter of different ethical standards. That stated, we are arguing about varying shades of grey. IMO, very few programs have completely clean hands when it comes to recruiting. That is why I stopped engaging in these arguments.
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He'll be going to class at UCLA.
Will he be majoring in Swahili? That's the major that UCLA's old football coach used to stick football players in to hide them. I just assumed basketball used similar tactic
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Will he be majoring in Swahili? That's the major that UCLA's old football coach used to stick football players in to hide them. I just assumed basketball used similar tactic
I grew up very close to Terry Donahue in the town I lived in, he was the UCLA coach for many years and we were able to go to Bruins games all the time as a result. One of the big reasons I grew up a Bruins fan. Prior to that, Dick Vermeil, whom I also know. Which UCLA football coach are you talking about? I've never heard that.
If majoring in a foreign language like Swahili is supposed to be easy, I must be missing something. Foreign languages are usually pretty difficult. My guess would be Communications, Tourism, Ag Journalism, Sports Management, Sociology, and a few others are far "easier".
At any rate, looking at the UCLA majors that are offered...125 in all....Swahili doesn't exist as a separate major. You can major in African languages for which Swahili is one of the various African language courses around.
Latest numbers I saw, UCLA was only behind Stanford in terms of Pac 12 athletic academics (GPAs, acceptance rates, graduation, etc). In the APR, they are 2nd behind Stanford through 2012, but couldn't find 2013.
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I grew up very close to Terry Donahue in the town I lived in, he was the UCLA coach for many years and we were able to go to Bruins games all the time as a result. One of the big reasons I grew up a Bruins fan. Prior to that, Dick Vermeil, whom I also know. Which UCLA football coach are you talking about? I've never heard that.
If majoring in a foreign language like Swahili is supposed to be easy, I must be missing something. Foreign languages are usually pretty difficult. My guess would be Communications, Tourism, Ag Journalism, Sports Management, Sociology, and a few others are far "easier".
At any rate, looking at the UCLA majors that are offered...125 in all....Swahili doesn't exist as a separate major. You can major in African languages for which Swahili is one of the various African language courses around.
Latest numbers I saw, UCLA was only behind Stanford in terms of Pac 12 athletic academics (GPAs, acceptance rates, graduation, etc). In the APR, they are 2nd behind Stanford through 2012, but couldn't find 2013.
Slick Rick Nueheisal. And yes, Swahili would definitely be hard. If it wasn't taught by a member of the coaching staff...who didn't speak Swahili.
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Who has more recruits going to the NBA, Kentucky or Marquette? There is your answer.
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Slick Rick Nueheisal. And yes, Swahili would definitely be hard. If it wasn't taught by a member of the coaching staff...who didn't speak Swahili.
Haha. If you are believing that these things are actually happening at UCLA and Kentucky like you've been told I think I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
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Haha. If you are believing that these things are actually happening at UCLA and Kentucky like you've been told I think I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
Normally I'd agree.....but if UNC can have an entirely fabricated African-American studies department for years then anything is possible
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Slick Rick Nueheisal. And yes, Swahili would definitely be hard. If it wasn't taught by a member of the coaching staff...who didn't speak Swahili.
I know nothing of the story you are talking about honestly. A lot of good friends over at UCLA's athletic department. They've had issues with handicap parking passes back in the days with Cade McNown and their share of individual issues from time to time, but academically run a pretty clean ship. Too many profs at the UC schools that would love nothing more than to hammer athletics because they don't believe in them.
Maybe there is something out there with UCLA and Swahili...news to me. I have heard of UW (Washington) and their Swahili classes which have many athletes in them. Rick used to coach up there, but haven't heard about it at UCLA. It was one of many classes they housed athletes at UW. Sort of how UW (Madison) does it for certain majors, Michigan for Sports Management, MU for Communications, etc.
You sure its not UW you are referencing? http://www.benzduck.com/journal/2013/10/9/for-washington-week-a-book-review-scoreboard-baby.html
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Haha. If you are believing that these things are actually happening at UCLA and Kentucky like you've been told I think I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
http://www.amazon.com/Scoreboard-Baby-College-Football-Complicity/dp/0803228104
Book mostly focus on the Neuheisal's days at the University of Washington, but it does have some info on some of his practices when he jumped ship from a violation ridden Husky program to UCLA. I suggest it actually, it's a fascinating read. I had the opportunity to interview one of the authors, Ken Armstrong. He had some bone chilling stories of negligence and turning a blind eye that would just make your skin crawl. He is of the opinion that while Neuheisal was one of the worst dirtbags...some of his practices are much more common than any of us would like to believe.
Believe it or not, I don't just make sh*t up. And I don't just listen to the bums on the street. Rick Neuheisal is one of the dirtiest coaches in the history of college athletics. To me, it says a lot about an athletic program if they were willing to hire this scumbag, knowing what he did while at Washington. I don't have any information about the basketball team practices, but if they were willing to put up with Neuheisal's crap ...I can only imagine what they would allow their storied basketball program to get away with.
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http://www.amazon.com/Scoreboard-Baby-College-Football-Complicity/dp/0803228104
Book mostly focus on the Neuheisal's days at the University of Washington, but it does have some info on some of his practices when he jumped ship from a violation ridden Husky program to UCLA. I suggest it actually, it's a fascinating read. I had the opportunity to interview one of the authors, Ken Armstrong. He had some bone chilling stories of negligence and turning a blind eye that would just make your skin crawl. He is of the opinion that while Neuheisal was one of the worst dirtbags...some of his practices are much more common than any of us would like to believe.
Like I said, I believe that stuff was at Washington. There was no shortage of people not thrilled with Rick being hired at UCLA, a program desperate for some good news. Rick wasn't it.
At any rate, one of the criticisms of him in the book didn't seem to manifest itself in Westwood, maybe that's why he failed there, because he couldn't get away with the same stuff....was he perfect, clean, etc? I doubt it. Was UCLA willing to forgive more quickly because he was an alum? Probably.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/ucla/post/_/id/3244/neuheisel-responds-to-book