Partial guarantee, per Woj.
Good for him. Work hard, young man. Get paid!
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 23m
Vander Blue, an undrafted guard out of Marquette, has agreed to a partial guarantee on a camp deal with Philadelphia, league source tells Y!
Youre my boy, Blue!!!!
Great news. Great, great news.
From http://painttouches.com/2013/06/25/vander-blues-top-5-nba-team-fits/
3. Philadelphia (no. 42): The 42nd pick seems far too high to consider Blue, but if the Sixers trade back in the second round he may be a nice fit for such a young team. Jrue Holiday is quickly becoming one of the top young point guards in the game and he's the only court general under contract for next season. Blue may not do as well in a slower-paced offense, meaning he'd need to have dominated his individual workout with the Philly brass. The opportunity is there for Blue to succeed, and it's a position of need for the 76ers.
Hoopsrumors says he is the 17th man on the roster headed into camp. He will have to work his tail off to get one of the last spots. Hope this works out for him.
What's a partial gaurantee?
Really glad to see Blue get a shot. If be can work on his point skills, he definitely has the size and athleticism to compete at that level.
It means that even if he doesn't make the team or gets cut he will get some money but his contract isn't fully guaranteed like a first round pick.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on September 19, 2013, 08:35:02 PM
What's a partial gaurantee?
One wonders .. so he's the 17th man on the camp roster, fighting for a spot. One wonders why they gave him any contract at all .. an invite is free. If they wanted to offer him a spot at the end of camp, I'm sure he'd find it in his heart to sign. ?????
Him going to sixers camp means not going to another NBA camp, and he might have had other offers.
So is he officially an NBA player now that he signed a contract or does he have to sit on the bench for a game to meet that threshold? Chicos?
On a serious note, that's six guys from MU in the last three years to sign NBA contracts - three of them as free agents. Being "Marquette tough" is making NBA coaches and GMs take notice. Kids who aren't one or two and done should be paying attention too.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 19, 2013, 09:42:26 PM
So is he officially an NBA player now that he signed a contract or does he have to sit on the bench for a game to meet that threshold? Chicos?
On a serious note, that's six guys from MU in the last three years to sign NBA contracts - three of them as free agents. Being "Marquette tough" is making NBA coaches and GMs take notice. Kids who aren't one or two and done should be paying attention too.
Incorrect...go read what I posted months ago directly from the NBA. On a ROSTER ONCE THE SEASON STARTS....(not preseason). That's when you become eligible for the NBA Pension and considered a NBA player.
Good luck to Vander.
Great news. I hope he can work his way onto the team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 19, 2013, 11:37:23 PM
Great news. I hope he can work his way onto the team.
Amen. As do I.
Go get it Van! You landed in a great spot. A team with no set lineup at your position [which or whatever that ends up being PG/SG].
And it is a team that is obviously committed to a total rebuild with a new young coach out of nowhere not pressured to win and a guy who doesn't know anyone else any more then he would Vander, and no guys with big contracts they are forced to play instead of Blue if he performs well.
Great gig...and setup on the surface if you ask me.
With no real expectations except development Vander Blue will get a fair shake and a long solid look with the Sixers that he could not have asked for a better place! It's a real blessing...really if you ask me.
This summer MU is rollin. Dwight Bucyks has a two year deal and contract up in Toronto.
Trent Lockett has shockingly to me has a two year deal over in Sacramento with the Kings.
And Junior Cadougan has a training camp invite here with the Milwaukee Bucks and Vander Blue is now in Philly!
Wow...Stand up Marquette! The residual Crean/Wade/Buzz effect of the MU Brand. Unreal...
Another great fit. Perfect timing, team and place. With any kind of camp or break Vander Blue could be a rotation guy for the Sixers for all we know...Quick tell me, who starts at SG for them? J-Rich?
If they had hired a name coach like Lionel Hollins [Like they should have, he won 50 + games last year and is a former Sixer] I would have had my doubts. But now I think anything can happen now if he impresses. It has worked out for him so far.
Good for him.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 19, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
One wonders .. so he's the 17th man on the camp roster, fighting for a spot. One wonders why they gave him any contract at all .. an invite is free. If they wanted to offer him a spot at the end of camp, I'm sure he'd find it in his heart to sign. ?????
They did the same with a couple other players and Philly is well under the cap. By guaranteeing some money, they insure that if Blue has a great preseason, someone else won't offer a contract out from under them. At least that's my read...my guess is whatever is guaranteed is fairly small potatoes for a NBA team and the kind of money they can absorb without blinking.
Probably means he will play in the D-league for Philly.
I was predicting Vander would end up on the end of the bench for a cap-strained contender (and he still may) but Philly looks like a much better situation for him.
Sixers Guards
James Anderson SG
Michael Carter-Williams PG
Jason Richardson SG (likely out until January)
Evan Turner G/F (plays more SF)
Tony Wroten Combo
Anderson and Wroten should be Blue's primary competition for an NBA roster spot (i.e. not in the Sixers D-League). Anderson was claimed off of waivers and has primarily been a D-League guy since being drafted. Wroten was a 1st Round pick last season who came out too early (he played against MU at MSG). He has some game but his shooting ability makes Blue look like Steve Novak. He's owed guaranteed money but could spend some time in the D-League again. IOW, neither guy is a lock to be on the NBA roster come opening night.
Especially given Richardson's injury, there's a roster spot to be had on this team. Hopefully Vander makes the best of his opportunity.
Even if he's in the D-League most of the year and only gets a couple 10-day call-ups, that's still ~$100k more than he would have made at MU this year. Glad he found a home, and hope he impresses enough like Wesley to earn a full-time roster spot. Thanks fora Big East championship, 2 S16s and an E8! And for embarrassing Bucky in the recruiting process. Really couldn't ask for more!
Quote from: Jajuannaman on September 20, 2013, 08:21:32 AM
Even if he's in the D-League most of the year and only gets a couple 10-day call-ups, that's still ~$100k more than he would have made at MU this year. Glad he found a home, and hope he impresses enough like Wesley to earn a full-time roster spot. Thanks fora Big East championship, 2 S16s and an E8! And for embarrassing Bucky in the recruiting process. Really couldn't ask for more!
well stated.
Blue probably woulda been paid more this season had he stayed in school at UK.
Well at least he goes to my favorite NBA team. That's awesome. Good for Blue!
If Vander is supposed to be in Philli, then why was he just at dogg Haus at 2:30 AM?
Quote from: esard2011 on September 21, 2013, 02:49:01 AM
If Vander is supposed to be in Philli, then why was he just at dogg Haus at 2:30 AM?
Them doggs are to travel for! ;D
Might a been in town interviewin' for the university president's gig.
Quote from: esard2011 on September 21, 2013, 02:49:01 AM
If Vander is supposed to be in Philli, then why was he just at dogg Haus at 2:30 AM?
Q-Doba was closed?
Quote from: esard2011 on September 21, 2013, 02:49:01 AM
If Vander is supposed to be in Philli, then why was he just at dogg Haus at 2:30 AM?
Because training camp does not start until next week that is why and he is probably training on campus during the day to prepare...
and because he is grown man and was probably hungry?
That answer your question?
Reowwww.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on September 22, 2013, 06:40:10 AM
Because training camp does not start until next week that is why and he is probably training on campus during the day to prepare...and because he is grown man and was probably hungry?
That answer your question?
Excellent response. +1 to you sir
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on September 20, 2013, 02:09:00 AM
Amen. As do I.
Go get it Van! You landed in a great spot. A team with no set lineup at your position [which or whatever that ends up being PG/SG].
And it is a team that is obviously committed to a total rebuild with a new young coach out of nowhere not pressured to win and a guy who doesn't know anyone else any more then he would Vander, and no guys with big contracts they are forced to play instead of Blue if he performs well.
Great gig...and setup on the surface if you ask me.
With no real expectations except development Vander Blue will get a fair shake and a long solid look with the Sixers that he could not have asked for a better place! It's a real blessing...really if you ask me.
This summer MU is rollin. Dwight Bucyks has a two year deal and contract up in Toronto.
Trent Lockett has shockingly to me has a two year deal over in Sacramento with the Kings.
And Junior Cadougan has a training camp invite here with the Milwaukee Bucks and Vander Blue is now in Philly!
Wow...Stand up Marquette! The residual Crean/Wade/Buzz effect of the MU Brand. Unreal...
Another great fit. Perfect timing, team and place. With any kind of camp or break Vander Blue could be a rotation guy for the Sixers for all we know...Quick tell me, who starts at SG for them? J-Rich?
If they had hired a name coach like Lionel Hollins [Like they should have, he won 50 + games last year and is a former Sixer] I would have had my doubts. But now I think anything can happen now if he impresses. It has worked out for him so far.
Good for him.
Thanks for all the great info HoopsFan!
Now if only we can get one two or all of Deiner, Hayward or DJO back in the league we'd be perfect.
Good for Blue. I am very happy for him and slightly happy for myself. If he is on an NBA roster, I won't play the 'what if' game throughout the year.
I'm very happy for him that he at least has a training camp invite and will get some guaranteed cash... but seriously he's competing for the last spot on the worst team in the NBA! We'll never know for sure if he could have done better with one more year, but this "status" of competing for the honor of being the worst player in the NBA is not where I want our Warriors!
Isn't that a better title than the best player NOT in the NBA????
BTW--I dont agree with your logic.
Quote from: jtbh6b1 on September 24, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
I'm very happy for him that he at least has a training camp invite and will get some guaranteed cash... but seriously he's competing for the last spot on the worst team in the NBA! We'll never know for sure if he could have done better with one more year, but this "status" of competing for the honor of being the worst player in the NBA is not where I want our Warriors!
The NBA is the highest level of competition in Blue's sport. Even as you said "competing for the honor of being the worst player in the NBA" means that he is better than 99.9% of people who play basketball. I'd say that's pretty damn good
Quote from: jtbh6b1 on September 24, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
I'm very happy for him that he at least has a training camp invite and will get some guaranteed cash... but seriously he's competing for the last spot on the worst team in the NBA! We'll never know for sure if he could have done better with one more year, but this "status" of competing for the honor of being the worst player in the NBA is not where I want our Warriors!
I think your logic is a bit flawed. Even if Vander is fighting for the last roster spot, doesn't mean that he would necessarily be the worst player on the team. There are other factors involved. Furthermore, just because Detroit may be the worst team in the NBA, there is no reason why their worst player should be considered the worst in the entire league. The Heat/Thunder/Spurs could sign me to sit at the end of the bench. I would certainly be the worst player, but it wouldn't suddenly drop the team from contender to bottomfeeder status.
Quote from: w0bbie on September 24, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
I think your logic is a bit flawed. Even if Vander is fighting for the last roster spot, doesn't mean that he would necessarily be the worst player on the team. There are other factors involved. Furthermore, just because Detroit may be the worst team in the NBA, there is no reason why their worst player should be considered the worst in the entire league. The Heat/Thunder/Spurs could sign me to sit at the end of the bench. I would certainly be the worst player, but it wouldn't suddenly drop the team from contender to bottomfeeder status.
Engineers in my day didn't have to take PHIL 1000: LOGIC. Obviously you passed it. Good to see it put to use.
Sixers just signed Hollis Thompson as well. Probably both our guys will be playing in the D-League, but still nice for them to get a chance.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on September 27, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Sixers just signed Hollis Thompson as well. Probably both our guys will be playing in the D-League, but still nice for them to get a chance.
I recently read that the Sixers are planning to invite the max number of players (20, I believe) to training camp this year. Not sure what other fringe guys besides Van and Thompson have gotten invites or if any of them are guards.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 24, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
Isn't that a better title than the best player NOT in the NBA????
BTW--I dont agree with your logic.
Dunno, there's probably guys in Europe who are more than capable of catching on with a NBA team if they wanted to give it a try.
(http://cdn.niketalk.com/c/c2/900x900px-LL-c208eec3_vanderblue.jpeg)
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on October 03, 2013, 09:17:07 PM
(http://cdn.niketalk.com/c/c2/900x900px-LL-c208eec3_vanderblue.jpeg)
Dang he look good in that
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 03, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
Dang he look good in that
+1
Really hope he lands on the roster. I'm definitely back on the Vandwagon
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 04, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
+1
Really hope he lands on the roster. I'm definitely back on the Vandwagon
Oh you gotta trademark that.
Always been on the Vandwagon. It's silly how some can immediately discount him since he left Marquette to pursue his dream. Hope he proves the doubters wrong. He's gotta beat out a few young guards to make it in Philly so I hope he has a good camp.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on October 04, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
Always been on the Vandwagon. It's silly how some can immediately discount him since he left Marquette to pursue his dream. Hope he proves the doubters wrong. He's gotta beat out a few young guards to make it in Philly so I hope he has a good camp.
I thought it was a dumb decision, and frankly still do. But it's done and I wish nothing but the best for him.
I'm sure most MU fans are in the same boat. No one wished him ill. We were just surprised and disappointed he walked away from a top 10 team to go undrafted. But the chips fell in his favor with the Sixers and I hope he makes the most of it. I am submitting a trademark application for Vandwagon and will license it to Mr. Blue in perpetuity for 10% of his NBA salary.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 04, 2013, 10:30:21 AM
I thought it was a dumb decision, and frankly still do. But it's done and I wish nothing but the best for him.
I'm sure most MU fans are in the same boat. No one wished him ill. We were just surprised and disappointed he walked away from a top 10 team to go undrafted. But the chips fell in his favor with the Sixers and I hope he makes the most of it. I am submitting a trademark application for Vandwagon and will license it to Mr. Blue in perpetuity for 10% of his NBA salary.
I was disappointed, because I had been looking forward to this season for a couple of years. The roster was very good, and had a nice mix of talent and experience.
Losing Vander hurts.
With this said, my guess is that Vander didn't necessarily love school, so getting a shot to play basketball and get paid (even if it's oversees) was pretty appealing to him.
Not everybody loves college (like most of us did).
At the end of the day, I hope it works out for him.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 04, 2013, 10:30:21 AM
I thought it was a dumb decision, and frankly still do. But it's done and I wish nothing but the best for him.
I'm sure most MU fans are in the same boat. No one wished him ill. We were just surprised and disappointed he walked away from a top 10 team to go undrafted. But the chips fell in his favor with the Sixers and I hope he makes the most of it. I am submitting a trademark application for Vandwagon and will license it to Mr. Blue in perpetuity for 10% of his NBA salary.
Sorry, didn't mean you in particular! From what I recall there were a number of posts that were quite bitter and didn't seem like people would support him because of his decision to leave. But I agree. Questionable decision by all means, but hopefully it works out in the end. Seems like our guys are so hard working that they eventually latch on somewhere.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20131006_Sixers_prepare_for_first_action_in_Spain.html
Sixers' Vander Blue only thinking about playing basketball
BILBAO, Spain - Vander Blue hasn't been much of a thinker since signing with the 76ers.
"I just play ball," he said. "That's all I know how to do."
The undrafted rookie free agent believes that's the best way for him to remain on the Sixers roster.
So the 6-foot-4 guard, whose team takes on Bilbao Basket here at noon Sunday, doesn't think about the encouraging comments he receives from coach Brett Brown. Nor does he allow himself to reflect on being a reserve wing the Sixers might depend on this season.
"I'm just taking it one day at a time," said Blue, who signed a multiyear, partially guaranteed deal last month. "I never try to think too far ahead and just start controlling what I can control."
Going undrafted in June might have something to do with his mind-set.
The Madison, Wis., native left Marquette after his junior season believing he would be selected in the second round. NBA.com compared Blue with former NBA guard Kendall Gill after he averaged 14.8 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 1.1 steals last season.
"I don't know what happened," Blue said of not getting drafted. "There's a lot more things that go into the draft than basketball. So I don't know.
"But the draft is over. And I'm ready to get my professional career started."
He eventually chose the Sixers over the Miami Heat's free-agent offer.
Blue realized the Sixers are in the beginning stages of a rebuilding process. With that, he knew that there would be plenty of opportunity for immediate playing time. Meanwhile, Blue would have probably had a tough time making the Heat's roster. And even if he did, he would have been an end-of-the-bench reserve for the two-time defending NBA champions.
"I think I can bring a lot of things" to the Sixers, he said. "I'm a dog. I'm a terror. And the way I play and the way I go about the game, going hard every possession."
His best attribute this far has been his tenacious on-ball defense. He also has impressed Brown with athleticism and shooting ability.
"He has the combination of toughness and competitiveness," Brown said. "And the fact that he can get out on the open court is exciting in a young player."
http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2013/10/05/131005bluepracticemov-2611483
What does "partially guaranteed multi-year deal" mean exactly?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 06, 2013, 08:32:59 AM
What does "partially guaranteed multi-year deal" mean exactly?
I would guess it means that they basically have the option to keep him cheap for a couple seasons if things work out, but that they can cut him without paying him much if they want. But I'm no NBA contract expert.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 06, 2013, 04:50:39 AM
"I don't know what happened," Blue said of not getting drafted. "There's a lot more things that go into the draft than basketball. So I don't know.
Really?
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on October 06, 2013, 10:27:22 AM
Really?
Guess his grasp on reality hasn't improved. As long as his game has, it's all good.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on October 06, 2013, 10:27:22 AM
Really?
I'd agree with that comment. Between measureables, combine drills, interviews, and background checks, there's a lot more to who teams take than just whether or not they can play basketball. Sometimes not getting drafted can have as much to do with either not fitting a physical profile or an indictment of character as it does basketball ability, or lack thereof.
Tough game for Blue vs. the Spanish team. I didn't get to see him playing but he didn't contribute much and was out of control from what I read on the Sixers forum.
18 minutes and 4 points vs Spain today!
Quote from: Slim on October 06, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
18 minutes and 4 points vs Spain today!
Good for Vander.
Otherwise he would be getting heralded as the best player in the Big East and be making All-American lists.
Shouldn't be in teal.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20131006_Sixers_prepare_for_first_action_in_Spain.html
So much that could be said about that opening paragraph.....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 07, 2013, 12:25:19 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20131006_Sixers_prepare_for_first_action_in_Spain.html
So much that could be said about that opening paragraph.....
+1
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 07, 2013, 12:25:19 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20131006_Sixers_prepare_for_first_action_in_Spain.html
So much that could be said about that opening paragraph.....
Must...restrain...k, I'm good.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 06, 2013, 03:38:31 PM
I'd agree with that comment. Between measureables, combine drills, interviews, and background checks, there's a lot more to who teams take than just whether or not they can play basketball. Sometimes not getting drafted can have as much to do with either not fitting a physical profile or an indictment of character as it does basketball ability, or lack thereof.
It also has to do with the fact that a lot of NBA teams, for various reasons, don't really want their 2nd Round picks. One-third of the 2013 2nd Round picks committed to playing overseas before training camp even began. Blue may have told teams that he did not want to be stashed overseas for a year or two and, thus, they passed on him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 06, 2013, 03:38:31 PM
I'd agree with that comment. Between measureables, combine drills, interviews, and background checks, there's a lot more to who teams take than just whether or not they can play basketball. Sometimes not getting drafted can have as much to do with either not fitting a physical profile or an indictment of character as it does basketball ability, or lack thereof.
I'm not saying he's wrong. Odd time to catch on, y'know?
We're getting down to crunch time. Here's a take on the Sixers most recent game focusing on Vander's primary competition for the final roster spot.
http://articles.philly.com/2013-10-15/sports/43069542_1_brooklyn-nets-brett-brown-khalif-wyatt
I'm no expert on 76ers basketball, nor most of those guys, but if you are to believe that article, one could reasonably conclude (hope) that Blue's skill set relative to defense, rebounding, energy, etc, coupled with the reputation of the Buzz Williams coached NBAers that have gone before him, should give him a little bit of a leg up on the competition.
Regardless, seems likely he will find a spot in the league some day, even if not this year, and if he goes and plays in Europe earning six figures for a year, or for many years, I defy anyone to tell me how leaving MU was a "mistake/stupid decision," as so many have suggested. The guy is getting paid to do the same job he did at MU - the job he wants to do. Only other difference is that he doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of going to class, studying, tutors, etc.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 16, 2013, 10:10:28 AM
I'm no expert on 76ers basketball, nor most of those guys, but if you are to believe that article, one could reasonably conclude (hope) that Blue's skill set relative to defense, rebounding, energy, etc, coupled with the reputation of the Buzz Williams coached NBAers that have gone before him, should give him a little bit of a leg up on the competition.
Regardless, seems likely he will find a spot in the league some day, even if not this year, and if he goes and plays in Europe earning six figures for a year, or for many years, I defy anyone to tell me how leaving MU was a "mistake/stupid decision," as so many have suggested. The guy is getting paid to do the same job he did at MU - the job he wants to do. Only other difference is that he doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of going to class, studying, tutors, etc.
Totally agree. He can focus 100% on his vocation now. Getting paid is quite the nice perk as well!
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 16, 2013, 10:10:28 AM
I'm no expert on 76ers basketball, nor most of those guys, but if you are to believe that article, one could reasonably conclude (hope) that Blue's skill set relative to defense, rebounding, energy, etc, coupled with the reputation of the Buzz Williams coached NBAers that have gone before him, should give him a little bit of a leg up on the competition.
Regardless, seems likely he will find a spot in the league some day, even if not this year, and if he goes and plays in Europe earning six figures for a year, or for many years, I defy anyone to tell me how leaving MU was a "mistake/stupid decision," as so many have suggested. The guy is getting paid to do the same job he did at MU - the job he wants to do. Only other difference is that he doesn't have to deal with the inconveniences of going to class, studying, tutors, etc.
I hope he makes the 76ers and does well, but if he would have stayed barring any injury Europe would have always been there.
Quote from: swoopem on October 16, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
I hope he makes the 76ers and does well, but if he would have stayed barring any injury Europe would have always been there.
It's always easy to tell other people not to follow their dream so long as it provides us with an entertaining diversion from our own insignificant lives.
I'm not going to rehash his decision. I'm simply hoping he makes the Sixers.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 16, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
It's always easy to tell other people not to follow their dream so long as it provides us with an entertaining diversion from our own insignificant lives.
Where did I tell anyone what to do with their life?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 16, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
It's always easy to tell other people not to follow their dream so long as it provides us with an entertaining diversion from our own insignificant lives.
Hey ... my life is very significant.
Why just today I walked the dog
AND emptied the dishwasher!
Quote from: MU82 on October 16, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
Hey ... my life is very significant.
Why just today I walked the dog AND emptied the dishwasher!
Overachiever.
Quote from: swoopem on October 16, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
I hope he makes the 76ers and does well, but if he would have stayed barring any injury Europe would have always been there.
Yeah, and?