2 scholarships left, lots of people checking it out
Lammers
Miller
Hill
Casssell
anyone else?
What should Buzz do, change to oversign again? I hope not.
My guess is that Buzz will get a 2/3 with either Cassell, Shayok or Hill. And then someone with size like Lammers or Miller.
I doubt he oversigns.
I want Hill
Craig still in the picture too I believe
Quote from: MuMark on September 12, 2013, 05:14:27 PM
Craig still in the picture too I believe
We need switchables!
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on September 12, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
I want Hill
FYI...Most of the perennial powers, Duke, UNC, etc cooled on Hill after a dismal performance this summer...his stock dropped and is dropping.
Quote from: BCHoopster on September 12, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
2 scholarships left, lots of people checking it out
Lammers
Miller
Hill
Casssell
anyone else?
What should Buzz do, change to oversign again? I hope not.
I know of 15 open scholarship offers for MU where we haven't been eliminated:
Alex Robinson
Nate Mason
Lindsey Hunter IV
James Blackmon Jr.
Ahmed Hill
Sam Cassell Jr.
Marial Shayok
D'Angelo Allen
Zach Smith
Paul White
Travon Bunch
Tory Miller
Khadeem Lattin
Jabari Craig
Ben Lammers
I'm hoping for one of either Blackmon Jr/Hill/Shayok and one of either White/Lattin/Blammers. Or maybe a nice JUCO or senior transfer
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 12, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
I know of 15 open scholarship offers for MU where we haven't been eliminated:
Paul White
I'm hoping for one of either Blackmon Jr/Hill/Shayok and one of either White/Lattin/Blammers. Or maybe a nice JUCO or senior transfer
White named his final five and we were not in it.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on September 12, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
FYI...Most of the perennial powers, Duke, UNC, etc cooled on Hill after a dismal performance this summer...his stock dropped and is dropping.
Are Indiana and Floida still in? For that matter, are we? Thanks in advance to anyone with an answer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Are Indiana and Floida still in? For that matter, are we? Thanks in advance to anyone with an answer.
Yeah, Indiana is still in, although word is their first choice is Isaiah Whitehead. Florida is in as well. He wants to sign in the fall after visiting all five of his finalists, including MU.
Quote from: BCHoopster on September 12, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
2 scholarships left, lots of people checking it out
Lammers
Miller
Hill
Casssell
anyone else?
What should Buzz do, change to oversign again? I hope not.
Here's how I see it. Two scholarships available, likely to go to one big and one switchable.
Most Likely SwitchablesAhmed Hill
Marial Shayok
Sam Cassell, Jr.
Most Likely BigsTory Miller
Ben Lammers
Jabari Craig
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 12, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
I know of 15 open scholarship offers for MU where we haven't been eliminated:
Alex Robinson
Nate Mason
Lindsey Hunter IV
James Blackmon Jr.
Ahmed Hill
Sam Cassell Jr.
Marial Shayok
D'Angelo Allen
Zach Smith
Paul White
Travon Bunch
Tory Miller
Khadeem Lattin
Jabari Craig
Ben Lammers
I'm hoping for one of either Blackmon Jr/Hill/Shayok and one of either White/Lattin/Blammers. Or maybe a nice JUCO or senior transfer
Maybe not officially eliminated, but I would be very, very surprised if anyone that isn't bolded there was still seriously considering us. With the last two schollies, I expect 2 of the bolded guys, and if we don't get 2 of them, more likely than not I think we hold off and look at other JUCOs or senior transfers, possibly a late riser in the Spring.
Quote from: MuMark on September 12, 2013, 05:14:27 PM
Craig still in the picture too I believe
Craig just used his first visit on USC, no other visits setup as of yet, as far as I can tell.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 12, 2013, 10:22:41 PM
Maybe not officially eliminated, but I would be very, very surprised if anyone that isn't bolded there was still seriously considering us. With the last two schollies, I expect 2 of the bolded guys, and if we don't get 2 of them, more likely than not I think we hold off and look at other JUCOs or senior transfers, possibly a late riser in the Spring.
I might toss bold on Paul White.
what ever happened with Terry Larrier?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2013, 10:46:47 PM
I might toss bold on Paul White.
This year's JaJuan Johnson like story?
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 12, 2013, 10:51:10 PM
Shaka Smart.
really? He's not listed as committed where I checked.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 12, 2013, 10:59:16 PM
really? He's not listed as committed where I checked.
Patience, grasshopper.
Quote from: BallBoy on September 12, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
White named his final five and we were not in it.
I'm not sure if that's true anymore. We seemed to drop out of contention for awhile, but VC just added Paul White back to our target board after previously taking him off. I think we are still in the race. Could be wrong though
On a side note, the ex-Milwaukee city kid, Cimmeon Bowers is going to Florida State.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2013, 10:46:47 PM
I might toss bold on Paul White.
I can't see it. I think we were just out for too long, and Malek Harris fills the need the staff saw for White (and seems they like preferred Harris).
Can anyone explain how Travon Bunch hasn't accepted if we've really offered him?
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on September 13, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
Can anyone explain how Travon Bunch hasn't accepted if we've really offered him?
Depaul is making a hard run at him. I don't know much about him other than he's tall and skinny. He seems to have very little hype for a 3 star 6"10 big who is right in our backyard
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 13, 2013, 07:37:20 AM
I can't see it. I think we were just out for too long, and Malek Harris fills the need the staff saw for White (and seems they like preferred Harris).
White is listed at 6"9 by VC. If he beefs up more, we could play in him in the post while Harris plays the role of a traditional switchable. Hehe, "traditional switchable"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 13, 2013, 10:27:22 AM
White is listed at 6"9 by VC. If he beefs up more, we could play in him in the post while Harris plays the role of a traditional switchable. Hehe, "traditional switchable"
That's not White's game...and that is part of the problem.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 13, 2013, 10:34:40 AM
That's not White's game...and that is part of the problem.
Yeah - in every analysis of Paul White, it left me thinking Jamail Jones. Every analysis of Harris got me thinking Crowder. Not in terms of actual college production, just in terms of style. One screams perimeter floater, the other screams junkyard dog. Both could be excellent college players, but one fits better here. Luckily it's the one that's coming here.
One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example? Just seems like a very careful dance.
Quote from: jsglow on September 13, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example? Just seems like a very careful dance.
Anything and everything is possible. Fluid.
Quote from: jsglow on September 13, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example? Just seems like a very careful dance.
I was thinking the same thing. JayBee seems to know most of these delicate situations.
What if player A--who may have just visited here, falls in love with MU and tells Buzz I want to come. Does Buzz accept on the spot. Does he call player B and tell him not to come at the end of the month. Does he tell player A to wait a week. Does he make a call to player C and tell him we need a decision or the scholly may be gone? Obviously Buzz and the staff have a priority of their recruits. I would guess that these recruits have an idea of the other recruits involved. They or their people must know that there is only one scholly available for 3 players---in theory. A careful dance indeed.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 13, 2013, 12:10:20 AM
I'm not sure if that's true anymore. We seemed to drop out of contention for awhile, but VC just added Paul White back to our target board after previously taking him off. I think we are still in the race. Could be wrong though
They put him back on because he said he was reopening his recruitment.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2013/09/change_of_plans_for_youngs_pau.html
However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option.
Quote from: BallBoy on September 13, 2013, 07:24:20 PM
They put him back on because he said he was reopening his recruitment.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2013/09/change_of_plans_for_youngs_pau.html
However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option.
Sounds like he's looking for immediate playing time, and yet he wants to be developed properly. There could be some conflict there. No wonder Miami got involved, if he's looking for playing time. They lost just about everyone.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on September 13, 2013, 12:40:22 PM
Yeah - in every analysis of Paul White, it left me thinking Jamail Jones. Every analysis of Harris got me thinking Crowder. Not in terms of actual college production, just in terms of style. One screams perimeter floater, the other screams junkyard dog. Both could be excellent college players, but one fits better here. Luckily it's the one that's coming here.
In general that's fair to differentiate Harris and White... but, Paul White vs. Jamail.. Jones in high school drifted a lot; sat looking for the three quite a bit with Montverde. White does more work mid-range and closer to the hoop and is decidedly taller. White also has shown he's capable of rebounding quite well.
With both players (Paul and Jamail) they are guys who look incredible at times and disappear at other times. If White is in the right program and can consistently bring it, he's going to produce nicely in college. I like White out on the baseline - will knock down a 15 footer with any space, can also use his size closer in.
Might be a guy whose eFG% is a tad lower than others because he will take mid-range shots, but in theory that can help your overall offense. Very good shooter, just his shot mix may dilute things. Bummer his arm snapped off in South Carolina - played limited minutes (just under 40%) for Meanstreets because of injuries this EYBL season, but his rebounding (especially defensive) and shot blocking impressed me.
Consistency, aggressive MU-type attitude and I think White's a nice addition to a program.
It's important to be mindful of how your roster stacks up in terms of positions, but if there's high quality talent out there I think you pursue it.
Both White and Hill are falling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.
Quote from: bilsu on September 13, 2013, 09:33:34 PM
Both White and Hill are failling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.
This is a great evaluation.
They're all different players; if you had to peg a single position to each, they'd be 4, 2, 3, 5 in the order listed above.
I don't know where these guys are ranked by whatever you're looking at, but I'd be very surprised if White and Hill weren't ranked higher than Lammers and Shayok.
Shayok and White especially possesses a good amount of
potential to be better than where they are currently.
As for as rankings, I do recall Hill's being a bit high this spring so not surprised if he dropped slightly. White didn't play a ton, but he played well when he was on the court. Wouldn't think his ranking would have moved a lot this summer. Personally, I'm higher on him than I was pre-spring.
Somebody who would know says MU is no longer involved with White. I guess time will tell but I would bet money that he will not end up here.
http://247sports.com/Player/Paul-White-15539/PlayerInstitutionPredictions
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
This is a great evaluation.
They're all different players; if you had to peg a single position to each, they'd be 4, 2, 3, 5 in the order listed above.
I don't know where these guys are ranked by whatever you're looking at, but I'd be very surprised if White and Hill weren't ranked higher than Lammers and Shayok.
Shayok and White especially possesses a good amount of potential to be better than where they are currently.
As for as rankings, I do recall Hill's being a bit high this spring so not surprised if he dropped slightly. White didn't play a ton, but he played well when he was on the court. Wouldn't think his ranking would have moved a lot this summer. Personally, I'm higher on him than I was pre-spring.
I am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rising in the rankings. I am saying that a recruit that has risen from out of the top 100 to 60 is likely to end up being a better recruit than one tht has fallen from 10 to 50.
Quote from: bilsu on September 14, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
I am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rsiing in the rankings.
White had a broken arm which impacted his playing time and his ranking so I don't think that is a valid measure in this scenario.
Quote from: MuMark on September 13, 2013, 10:18:58 PM
Somebody who would know says MU is no longer involved with White. I guess time will tell but I would bet money that he will not end up here.
http://247sports.com/Player/Paul-White-15539/PlayerInstitutionPredictions
That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?
Quote from: bilsuI am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rising in the rankings. I am saying that a recruit that has risen from out of the top 100 to 60 is likely to end up being a better recruit than one tht has fallen from 10 to 50.
OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?
OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)
I am not talking a specific player, but pointing out my opinion that a player falling significantly in the rankings is a big red flag. A player moving up from nowhere to a top 100 ranking is a positive sign. Players that are not improving often turn out to be marginal players. I think Jones and Williams both fill that category in that they stopped improving.
@jeffborzello: RT @JustinDYoung: Ahmed Hill will visit Indiana Oct. 4. Mizzou is Nov. 1. Only visits scheduled.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?
OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)
60 isn't better than 50, that was his point. You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling. No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 14, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
60 isn't better than 50, that was his point. You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling. No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).
Quote from: bilsuBoth White and Hill are falling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.
Quote from: bilsuI think Jones and Williams both fill that category in that they stopped improving.
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Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?
It's all moot now since White committed, but I've known for months that Marquette was no longer pursuing White. But I'm not going to cite the posts where I read that or announce the people that told me that. Not a gimmick, but pretty sure it's been mentioned numerous times on here that White wouldn't be coming, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone (especially that he went to GT, largely perceived as the leader for awhile).
The longer MU goes without landing a big in this class, the more I get the feeling that the big is going to be another McKay-like JUCO. Athletic 6'9-6'10 player with a high motor. I can't give you a reason, just a feeling.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 14, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
60 isn't better than 50, that was his point. You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling. No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).
I want the guy that fits the system. Thankfully, coaches don't care about rankings.
Quote from: thehammock on September 14, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
@jeffborzello: RT @JustinDYoung: Ahmed Hill will visit Indiana Oct. 4. Mizzou is Nov. 1. Only visits scheduled.
Buzz has an in home scheduled with Hill tomorrow.