Apologies if this has been covered in another post that I missed, but I was very glad to see the large slate of non-conference games that will be televised on Fox Sports.
For those outside of the Milwaukee metro area that normally wouldn't get to see them, here's the non-conf schedule that (apparently) will air nationally:
11/12 - vs. Grambling (FS1)
11/16 - vs. Ohio State (Fox)
11/25 - @ Arizona St. (FS1)
12/14 - vs. IUPUI (FS1)
12/17 - vs. Ball St. (FS1)
12/28 - vs. Samford (FSN - so may not be national)
They sure do.
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Quote from: barfolomew on September 11, 2013, 01:12:34 PM
Apologies if this has been covered in another post that I missed, but I was very glad to see the large slate of non-conference games that will be televised on Fox Sports.
For those outside of the Milwaukee metro area that normally wouldn't get to see them, here's the non-conf schedule that (apparently) will air nationally:
11/12 - vs. Grambling (FS1)
11/16 - vs. Ohio State (Fox)
11/25 - @ Arizona St. (FS1)
12/14 - vs. IUPUI (FS1)
12/17 - vs. Ball St. (FS1)
12/28 - vs. Samford (FSN - so may not be national)
It's a great thing that many non-league games for the whole Big East will be on FS1, FS2 and CBS Sports Network.
I'm glad you list tOSU as a cupcake.
Quote from: bradley center bat on September 11, 2013, 02:06:57 PM
It's a great thing that many non-league games for the whole Big East will be on FS1, FS2 and CBS Sports Network.
It's great for us, not great for FS1. They are really getting killed right now and those games are not going to move the needle for them.
Has there been any other mention of FS2? Has the transition happened?
I don't even see it on my cable lineup. Have they announced which games are going to be on the mothership, which on FS1, and which on FS2?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on September 11, 2013, 02:54:13 PM
Has there been any other mention of FS2? Has the transition happened?
I don't even see it on my cable lineup. Have they announced which games are going to be on the mothership, which on FS1, and which on FS2?
Yes, it already happened. August 19th. It replaced FUEL for most systems. Probably on a higher tier as well.
Marquette vs. Ohio State only game that will air nationally on Fox this year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 11, 2013, 02:43:56 PM
It's great for us, not great for FS1. They are really getting killed right now and those games are not going to move the needle for them.
Have they had much live content yet besides the first couple weeks of college FB?
And while it's true that MU/IUPUI will not be a ratings beast, it doesn't cost them anything additional in rights fees beyond production costs, so why not broadcast a live event instead of a rerun of their highlights show?
Quote from: barfolomew on September 11, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
Have they had much live content yet besides the first couple weeks of college FB?
And while it's true that MU/IUPUI will not be a ratings beast, it doesn't cost them anything additional in rights fees beyond production costs, so why not broadcast a live event instead of a rerun of their highlights show?
Opportunity costs. What could they have on instead of that MU/IUPUI game that could deliver a stronger number. But that's the nature of the beast...it's going to be a slog for them for awhile. I can't see them being a profitable venture (if you were to look at the channels in a separate P & L and not part of NewsCorp umbrella) for a number of years. David Hill says 2.5 years....I think that might be giddy talk, but we'll see.
Does the average sports fan even know Fox Sports 1 exists? If not for Marquette and the Big East I wouldn't know.
Hopefully they will drop some more commercials during NFL games to increase the awareness.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
Does the average sports fan even know Fox Sports 1 exists? If not for Marquette and the Big East I wouldn't know.
Hopefully they will drop some more commercials during NFL games to increase the awareness.
I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Had the same conversation with the Fox boys and girls yesterday and again today. They know it, they are going to ramp up their efforts.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 11, 2013, 04:25:19 PM
I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Had the same conversation with the Fox boys and girls yesterday and again today. They know it, they are going to ramp up their efforts.
In conversations with the folks from Fox, are they aware that FS1 is only on the Top 200 and above packages on Dish Network? Is anything being done by Fox to try to move it to a lower tier (ie. Top 120 or Top 120+)???
I imagine far less than half of DISH's subscribers have FS1 in their living rooms.
Quote from: marquette20 on September 11, 2013, 03:11:27 PM
Marquette vs. Ohio State only game that will air nationally on Fox this year.
Is all other coverage regional? Will we get Marquette games in Indy on FS1?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
Does the average sports fan even know Fox Sports 1 exists? If not for Marquette and the Big East I wouldn't know.
Hopefully they will drop some more commercials during NFL games to increase the awareness.
I watched FSN1's equivilant of ESPNEWS last night, just for shits a gigs, and boy was it bad!! Gahhh!
Quote from: indymufan on September 11, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Is all other coverage regional? Will we get Marquette games in Indy on FS1?
Good question. Will all those games on FSN1 be aired nationally, or will there be several games on FSN1 each night, and it depends on where you live for what you get.
Quote from: 94Warrior on September 11, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
In conversations with the folks from Fox, are they aware that FS1 is only on the Top 200 and above packages on Dish Network? Is anything being done by Fox to try to move it to a lower tier (ie. Top 120 or Top 120+)???
I imagine far less than half of DISH's subscribers have FS1 in their living rooms.
Good question.
That would be a DISH decision, not FOX. DISH doesn't want to pay FOX on larger distribution.....every subscriber X $0.23 (if you believe industry reports...I will neither confirm nor deny http://www.vuhoops.com/catholic-7-news-analysis/2013/8/15/4624994/big-east-tv-partner-fox-sports-1-will-be-the-largest-sports-network ) X 12 months. It ends up being a ton of money. The greater the distribution, the greater the expense for the carrier, in this case DISH. For DISH to recoup those costs, they have to raise prices which everyone is loathe to do, especially for sports when so many people don't care about sports. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it potentially be added to a lower tier when their rate increases come around as that can be a tactic a carrier can take..."we raised your price but we are giving you 2 more channels and more VOD, etc, etc"
FOX definitely wants to be on a lower tier....the more eyeballs, more money for them in subscription rates and more eyeballs to sell to advertisers.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 11, 2013, 02:43:56 PM
It's great for us, not great for FS1. They are really getting killed right now and those games are not going to move the needle for them.
Not sure what you or anyone else was expecting at this stage. FS1 is going up against a network with a 30-year head start. I have total faith in Fox Sports. Give it some time and they'll move the needle...especially when they grab a chunk of the NBA and perhaps add a Thursday night NFL game.
Quote from: 94Warrior on September 11, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
In conversations with the folks from Fox, are they aware that FS1 is only on the Top 200 and above packages on Dish Network? Is anything being done by Fox to try to move it to a lower tier (ie. Top 120 or Top 120+)???
I imagine far less than half of DISH's subscribers have FS1 in their living rooms.
Speaking of Dish, they're making noise about dropping ESPN at the end of the month.
Doubt it happens, but it'll be fun to watch:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323893004579055333504795324.html
Quote from: indymufan on September 11, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Is all other coverage regional? Will we get Marquette games in Indy on FS1?
I meant on the regular Fox channel. Rest on Fox Sports 1. Some of these will be national.
Quote from: Groin_pull on September 11, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
Not sure what you or anyone else was expecting at this stage. FS1 is going up against a network with a 30-year head start. I have total faith in Fox Sports. Give it some time and they'll move the needle...especially when they grab a chunk of the NBA and perhaps add a Thursday night NFL game.
I have a lot of faith in them as well, many are friends and former colleagues. Based on body language and conversations, they are a bit disappointed with the initial results, but that's part of the long slog IMO. They get it. Hitting a home run in this business is really really hard. Harder than ever today with the microscope and hypercritical nature of things. They will make some changes, some minor and I would not be surprised if some are pretty big and even in short order.
Is the fact that FS1 hasn't immediately cut into ESPN's market share really surprising anyone? If you are an exec at Fox didn't you already know this was going to have to be a 5+ year battle?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
Speaking of Dish, they're making noise about dropping ESPN at the end of the month.
Doubt it happens, but it'll be fun to watch:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323893004579055333504795324.html
If anyone is going to do it, Charlie would be the one.
It's gonna be tough for a couple years. Already though, Fox Sports 1 ratings were better than ESPNU, NBC Sports Network and CBS Sports Network last week. It's gonna take awhile to defeat ESPN2 consistently (probably a few years). As long as Fox can get a chunk of the Big Ten and NBA which I think they will, FS1 will be fine.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 11, 2013, 05:30:47 PM
Good question. Will all those games on FSN1 be aired nationally, or will there be several games on FSN1 each night, and it depends on where you live for what you get.
Here's the complete list of every college basketball game Fox Sports is airing.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/bigeast_schedule.pdf
There are no overlaps on FS1. If you see a game listed and it says FS1, it's on where you live.
The Marquette-Ohio State game is the first ever college basketball game broadcast on the over the air broadcast Fox. It airs nationally.
This is probably a dumb question but let's say when people dvr games and shows on fs1, does that have the same impact as actually watching it live in regards to ratings etc?
Quote from: morecowbell on September 12, 2013, 07:42:23 AM
This is probably a dumb question but let's say when people dvr games and shows on fs1, does that have the same impact as actually watching it live in regards to ratings etc?
They have started tracking same day and same day +7 ratings. Whether they're getting data from the cable companies because they can see what the DVRs are doing or if it's just the regular Nielsen-style info, I can't help you.
Quote from: morecowbell on September 12, 2013, 07:42:23 AM
This is probably a dumb question but let's say when people dvr games and shows on fs1, does that have the same impact as actually watching it live in regards to ratings etc?
Not a dumb question at all. It's called C3 and is tracked by Nielsen. There's been a push to expand C3 to a longer window. Basically if you watch the show live or within 3 days on your DVR it is captured in the C3 ratings. C3 started in 2005.
Networks want C3 to become C7....gives them more ratings, more GRPs. Advertisers, well they have a different view of this...at least some of them do. Currently, C7 is not in play but folks like Les Moonves at CBS believes it will be the new ratings currency in 2014. It's coming, just a matter of when.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 12, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
Not a dumb question at all. It's called C3 and is tracked by Nielsen. There's been a push to expand C3 to a longer window. Basically if you watch the show live or within 3 days on your DVR it is captured in the C3 ratings. C3 started in 2005.
Networks want C3 to become C7....gives them more ratings, more GRPs. Advertisers, well they have a different view of this...at least some of them do. Currently, C7 is not in play but folks like Les Moonves at CBS believes it will be the new ratings currency in 2014. It's coming, just a matter of when.
Thanks for the info. I can see why advertisers probably see this from an entirely different perspective. They can't be a fan of DVR in general.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
Does the average sports fan even know Fox Sports 1 exists? If not for Marquette and the Big East I wouldn't know.
Hopefully they will drop some more commercials during NFL games to increase the awareness.
I am not a tv expert, this is just one guy's opinion. Sorry for the wall of text.
I doubt the average sports fan is too interested yet. There are a couple of decent blocs that have pretty strong interest. I am a member of 2 of them (Marquette/Big East and UFC). At this point we are looking at UFC fans tuning in when there's
Interesting programming for them (example being the recent card with Chael Sonnen, big name=decent ratings), and less so for a Wednesday fight night (pretty much just us hard-core fans). The Ultimate Fighter has been on the decline for a couple of years, even us avid fans are starting to get a little tired of it (that's the UFC's reality show, for those who don't know). I would assume NASCAR events are similar. I watch FS1 when there's UFC programming on, or if FS Live is on. If it's NASCAR (which I don't really care for) I keep channel surfing. Big 12 football fans most likely tune in for their games, but probably tune back out when something else is on. Big East fans will likely do the same once the season starts. All told, the channel will probably grow a decent amount as the year wears on as a byproduct of the niche fanbases it currently has, but will hopefully take off more when the big leagues get some compelling programming on there (MLB, and possibly NBA in the future).
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
Does the average sports fan even know Fox Sports 1 exists? If not for Marquette and the Big East I wouldn't know.
Hopefully they will drop some more commercials during NFL games to increase the awareness.
It always runs on the bottomline on FSN during their games.
What does the fox say?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 11, 2013, 02:43:56 PM
It's great for us, not great for FS1. They are really getting killed right now and those games are not going to move the needle for them.
Correct, it will not be moving the needle but what else does FS1 have to show during the week.
Live games are always the best way to go, per the guys on the Sports Business Journal on the Tim Brando Show.
Quote from: 94Warrior on September 11, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
In conversations with the folks from Fox, are they aware that FS1 is only on the Top 200 and above packages on Dish Network? Is anything being done by Fox to try to move it to a lower tier (ie. Top 120 or Top 120+)???
I imagine far less than half of DISH's subscribers have FS1 in their living rooms.
But it's part of the sports package, which is what you really want if you're a true sports fan, who are the only people needing FX1.
Adding the sports package to the top 120 is cheaper than going for the top 200. I imagine for a network to get added to the top 120 would cost some cash.
In terms of college basketball, this says to me that Fox wants to put their faith in Marquette as a program. The combination of a rising program with their own trademark style and a recognizable coach as the flagship reminds me of how ESPN treated Duke back in the 1990s. Worked out well for the Blue Devils. If Fox can mount some legitimate competition to ESPN over the next decade, it's possible we could see a similar ascent. Maybe I'm too optimistic.
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on September 12, 2013, 04:31:54 PM
But it's part of the sports package, which is what you really want if you're a true sports fan, who are the only people needing FX1.
Adding the sports package to the top 120 is cheaper than going for the top 200. I imagine for a network to get added to the top 120 would cost some cash.
Is FS1 part of the Multi-Sport pack? (Not according to DISH's poor website.) What programming packages do you have?
Top 120+ and Multi-Sport?