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"Great season. Thanks, Junior, Trent."
Any way we can give Vander some love there?
Obvioiusly did not graduate...but was a big reason for such a great season.
(keep up the good work!)
Not until Buzz does.
Yeah, no need for it.
Is this a serious post?
Quote from: barfolomew on September 10, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Why would this not be a serious post?
Because in all seriousness, Vander left without a degree and no job.
and he took your favorite team to an elite 8
Quote from: LAMUfan on September 10, 2013, 04:54:11 PM
and he took your favorite team to an elite 8
And....?
Doesn't need to be thanked with the rest of the graduating class.
Quote from: PTM on September 10, 2013, 06:06:53 PM
And....?
Doesn't need to be thanked with the rest of the graduating class.
Trent graduated???
Is ths another Crean banner thread?
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 10, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
Trent graduated???
Eh, poor usage. How does that work out anyway?
nice change--well done, and hard to argue with it, though some will
Had Juan and Jake not un-transferred, would we need to thank them too?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2013, 09:17:41 PM
Had Juan and Jake not un-transferred, would we need to thank them too?
A transfer is different than going pro.
If Scoop existed in '03, would we not thank DW?
I think honoring those that exhaust their eligibility and/or graduate are worthy. We'll call this the CO exception. Had Chris decided to 'move on' after his 5 years and earned degree I would have applauded his commitment.
Quote from: jsglow on September 10, 2013, 09:45:16 PM
I think honoring those that exhaust their eligibility and/or graduate are worthy. We'll call this the CO exception. Had Chris decided to 'move on' after his 5 years and earned degree I would have applauded his commitment.
lol this is a basketball forum. We're here to talk about basketball and the team, not cheer for academic achievement (as important as it is). So Vander really should be mentioned. I might lose sleep over this matter.
I am still taking my lead from Buzz. I don't think he has mentioned Vander since he left.
Quote from: warriorchick on September 10, 2013, 10:08:08 PM
I am still taking my lead from Buzz. I don't think he has mentioned Vander since he left.
If that's the case, it's really too bad. Buzz recruited him; he knew what he was getting. Few people on here love Buzz more than me but I'm with Vander. There's gold in them thar hills. Even if he ends up making 100K in Slovenia, that's not bad.
Just because it's my dream to see MU in the Final Four, doesn't mean it's Vander's. Cut the kid a break. He's trying to earn some bread, I bet Al would respect that.
I'm with APieper. Vander did a helluva lot for our team these past three years. His departure may leave some with a bad taste in their mouth but the good he did FAR outweighs the bad.
To answer Hilltopper's question, I think yes we could have included Jake and Juan and Ferguson for that matter. They all helped us to our best season since 03.
All that being said, its a line on a forum. I'm not going to worry about it too much.
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
If that's the case, it's really too bad. Buzz recruited him; he knew what he was getting. Few people on here love Buzz more than me but I'm with Vander. There's gold in them thar hills. Even if he ends up making 100K in Slovenia, that's not bad.
Just because it's my dream to see MU in the Final Four, doesn't mean it's Vander's. Cut the kid a break. He's trying to earn some bread, I bet Al would respect that.
Maybe. Al could understand why Chones left...no brainer. Maybe he would understand this as well, but Vander was anything but a no brainer and probably could have made a lot more gold had he hung in another year. I wish him well, still would love to know who was whisper stupid crap in his ear because he said he was truly going to take earnest advice and truthful advice. I suppose if 29 GMs say stay in school and one GM says you have a one in a 1000 shot, you end up hearing what you want to hear. Hopefully it works out.
I don't get this notion that another year changes him. He is who he is. I thinks he's a fringe nba player in 2013 or 2014.
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
I don't get this notion that another year changes him. He is who he is. I thinks he's a fringe nba player in 2013 or 2014.
Draft experts thought he had 1st round potential. We'll never know.
By the way, get your guy J. Jones to catch a few balls this week....he killed me on Sunday. Grrg. ;)
Our guy Jordy had a game, tho...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 11, 2013, 12:11:04 AM
I'm with BrewCity. Vander did a helluva lot for our team these past three years. His departure may leave some with a bad taste in their mouth but the good he did FAR outweighs the bad.
To answer Hilltopper's question, I think yes we could have included Jake and Juan and Ferguson for that matter. They all helped us to our best season since 03.
All that being said, its a line on a forum. I'm not going to worry about it too much.
I didn't post in here. And neither did the Ballcrusher...
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on September 10, 2013, 08:21:05 PM
nice change--well done, and hard to argue with it, though some will
My error--I read the "Thanks for a great season , Warriors" banner and thought that it already had been changed--I see that the news line is different. Anyway, Blue was a Warrrior so he has been suffiently acknowledged.
When I posted that "thanks Junior, Trent" it was on Senior night, singled out for celebrating "their" day.
Are thanks due to the entire team? Of course.
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
If that's the case, it's really too bad. Buzz recruited him; he knew what he was getting. Few people on here love Buzz more than me but I'm with Vander. There's gold in them thar hills. Even if he ends up making 100K in Slovenia, that's not bad.
Just because it's my dream to see MU in the Final Four, doesn't mean it's Vander's. Cut the kid a break. He's trying to earn some bread, I bet Al would respect that.
Solid post. The voice of reason.
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
If that's the case, it's really too bad. Buzz recruited him; he knew what he was getting. Few people on here love Buzz more than me but I'm with Vander. There's gold in them thar hills. Even if he ends up making 100K in Slovenia, that's not bad.
Just because it's my dream to see MU in the Final Four, doesn't mean it's Vander's. Cut the kid a break. He's trying to earn some bread, I bet Al would respect that.
Al most oft repeated mantra to his players? "Use basketball, don't let it use you." He encouraged Chones to leave early and take the guaranteed millions playing pro ball in the USA, but giving up a degree for short money in Slovenia? That's exactly the kind of thing he was warning against.
Thank you, Vander. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and hope that one day you reach the League.
There. He was thanked in this thread.
But if he DOES graduate from MU, I think MUScoop should have a congratulatory banner for him.
Loyalty does have its rewards.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 11, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
Al most oft repeated mantra to his players? "Use basketball, don't let it use you." He encouraged Chones to leave early and take the guaranteed millions playing pro ball in the USA, but giving up a degree for short money in Slovenia? That's exactly the kind of thing he was warning against.
Buzz has talked about turning these boys into men, shaping their character, working as a team, doing what's right, etc. It's painfully obvious that Buzz went above and beyond - even for Buzz - to help Vander mature over the past few years into a better player, a better teammate, and a better person. I can't blame Buzz for feeling stung on this one.
We should honor all fallen (departed) soldiers on the great season whether departing voluntary or not. Thanks Vander, Jamal, Junior, and Trent.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on September 11, 2013, 10:03:41 AM
We should honor all fallen (departed) soldiers on the great season whether departing voluntary or not. Thanks Vander, Jamal, Junior, and Trent.
What about Garrett?
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on September 11, 2013, 10:03:41 AM
We should honor all fallen (departed) soldiers on the great season whether departing voluntary or not. Thanks Vander, Jamal, Junior, and Trent.
Okay, I am usually not super-sensitive about this type of thing, but calling college basketball players who leave school "fallen soldiers" is not a word choice I would have made, especially when you do it on 9/11.
Quote from: warriorchick on September 11, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
Okay, I am usually not super-sensitive about this type of thing, but calling college basketball players who leave school "fallen soldiers" is not a word choice I would have made, especially when you do it on 9/11.
Your comment is a fallen soldier.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2013, 06:27:30 AM
I didn't post in here. And neither did the Ballcrusher...
Whoops, don't know why I thought you were OP. My apologies.
Quote from: swoopem on September 11, 2013, 10:22:59 AM
What about Garrett?
Thought he was still with the team.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 11, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
Al most oft repeated mantra to his players? "Use basketball, don't let it use you." He encouraged Chones to leave early and take the guaranteed millions playing pro ball in the USA, but giving up a degree for short money in Slovenia? That's exactly the kind of thing he was warning against.
Mr. Tap...he can always come back and get the degree. A euro career can be a great way to start a young professional life.
Nobody is concerned about the fact we're 58 days away from the first game and we don't have a countdown yet?
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:55:50 PM
Mr. Tap...he can always come back and get the degree. A euro career can be a great way to start a young professional life.
Something tells me he isn't coming back for that degree any time in the next few decades. Happy to be proven wrong on this.
Another year in school and an almost certain draftee is also a great way to start a young professional life.....some even suggesting a first round draftee.
Quote from: The Lens on September 11, 2013, 12:55:50 PM
Mr. Tap...he can always come back and get the degree. A euro career can be a great way to start a young professional life.
True, he could return on his own dime with no support system (tutors,study halls, etc) but I think that's unlikely given Vander's disinterest in school. And even if he comes back, that $100,000 Slovenian head start will be long gone before he gets his degree.
If it's millions, take the money. Giving up the degree for short money? Not smart.