As you can guess from my name, the Texas A&M Aggies are my second love (no worries, they are far behind my love of MU). I have been pretty blown away (in a bad way) by the coverage of Johnny Manziel by the media and the reactions from fans outside of Aggieland. Obviously I'm biased, but I was curious what y'all thought. Are his actions really that deplorable?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 04, 2013, 12:03:13 AM
As you can guess from my name, the Texas A&M Aggies are my second love (no worries, they are far behind my love of MU). I have been pretty blown away (in a bad way) by the coverage of Johnny Manziel by the media and the reactions from fans outside of Aggieland. Obviously I'm biased, but I was curious what y'all thought. Are his actions really that deplorable?
He's as big of a tool as they come.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 04, 2013, 12:03:13 AM
As you can guess from my name, the Texas A&M Aggies are my second love (no worries, they are far behind my love of MU). I have been pretty blown away (in a bad way) by the coverage of Johnny Manziel by the media and the reactions from fans outside of Aggieland. Obviously I'm biased, but I was curious what y'all thought. Are his actions really that deplorable?
yes
Deplorable? Little harsh.
Douche bag prima donna, grandson of a grifter, undersized do nothing in the NFL, destined to be a high school head coach, and eventually fade into the nothingness that is central Texas? Yes.
Quote from: reinko on September 04, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
Deplorable? Little harsh.
Douche bag prima donna, grandson of a grifter, undersized do nothing in the NFL, destined to be a high school head coach, and eventually fade into the nothingness that is central Texas? Yes.
I'd say more likely to end up in jail. Then again with the family money, maybe not.
And did you know that there are worse jobs than a high school football coach in Texas? The salary for head coaches at the highest division on average is right around $75,000. When bonuses and travel are added in, some high schools are spending just below $100,000 on their high school football head coaches/year. Sickening.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 04, 2013, 08:46:26 AM
I'd say more likely to end up in jail. Then again with the family money, maybe not.
And did you know that there are worse jobs than a high school football coach in Texas? The salary for head coaches at the highest division on average is right around $75,000. When bonuses and travel are added in, some high schools are spending just below $100,000 on their high school football head coaches/year. Sickening.
The family is no stranger to jail. And to answer the original post. Yes, possibly he's even worse than the media portrays him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 04, 2013, 12:03:13 AM
As you can guess from my name, the Texas A&M Aggies are my second love (no worries, they are far behind my love of MU). I have been pretty blown away (in a bad way) by the coverage of Johnny Manziel by the media and the reactions from fans outside of Aggieland. Obviously I'm biased, but I was curious what y'all thought. Are his actions really that deplorable?
No. They haven't been. I mean, he shouldn't be getting flags, but outside of that I have no problem with what he has been doing. (Both sides were talking during that game before Manziel even started playing.) And the media piling on, including the blowhards at ESPN, has been pretty stupid.
If they keep that up, I am going to openly root for him and A&M to win the national championship.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 04, 2013, 08:46:26 AM
I'd say more likely to end up in jail. Then again with the family money, maybe not.
And did you know that there are worse jobs than a high school football coach in Texas? The salary for head coaches at the highest division on average is right around $75,000. When bonuses and travel are added in, some high schools are spending just below $100,000 on their high school football head coaches/year. Sickening.
That amount of money really isn't unheard of. My brother is a HS football coach in the Chicago suburbs (who also teaches math) and makes close to $90k.
As for Manziel, he's a spoiled rich kid whose parents admittedly had little control over him while he was growing up. He's a very talented college QB but he's a punk who doesn't comprehend how far away he is from being a legit NFL QB. That said, he's Sumlin's best chance to win a title so he has to deal with him and try to keep him happy. If A&M loses a couple games and Manziel keeps up his antics, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sumlin/A&M sit him down for a game or two.
TAMU Eagle - What are people's thoughts on Manziel in Aggieland?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 04, 2013, 12:03:13 AM
As you can guess from my name, the Texas A&M Aggies are my second love (no worries, they are far behind my love of MU). I have been pretty blown away (in a bad way) by the coverage of Johnny Manziel by the media and the reactions from fans outside of Aggieland. Obviously I'm biased, but I was curious what y'all thought. Are his actions really that deplorable?
Johnny's fine. He's simply the latest incarnation of the ESPN hype machine which loves to build it up, hype it up, investigate it up, then blow it up. Plenty of fine athletes who have been through this before. As Mark May proves so often the only interest ESPN has is ratings and they'll do anything, including actively mythologizing, to get them up. When those ratings fall, all they have left is actively de-mythologizing and that leads all these mindless drones to be so certain that Johnny is a prima donna douchebag punk tool who's simply not as cool a human as they are.
By the way, that penalty was fecking ridiculous. If Bridgewater from Louisville does that, he's bringing swagger to his Heisman hopes. If Winston from FSU does that, he's bringing excitement to the game as a Freshman. If Miller from OSU does that, he's showing the confidence needed to win a National Title.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 04, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
Johnny's fine. He's simply the latest incarnation of the ESPN hype machine which loves to build it up, hype it up, investigate it up, then blow it up. Plenty of fine athletes who have been through this before. As Mark May proves so often the only interest ESPN has is ratings and they'll do anything, including actively mythologizing, to get them up. When those ratings fall, all they have left is actively de-mythologizing and that leads all these mindless drones to be so certain that Johnny is a prima donna douchebag punk tool who's simply not as cool a human as they are.
By the way, that penalty was fecking ridiculous. If Bridgewater from Louisville does that, he's bringing swagger to his Heisman hopes. If Winston from FSU does that, he's bringing excitement to the game as a Freshman. If Miller from OSU does that, he's showing the confidence needed to win a National Title.
Actually disagree, pardon while I steer this topic way off, but I think a chunk of the media would talk about the "thug" culture if these two guys did it.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 09:27:27 AM
That amount of money really isn't unheard of. My brother is a HS football coach in the Chicago suburbs (who also teaches math) and makes close to $90k.
As for Manziel, he's a spoiled rich kid whose parents admittedly had little control over him while he was growing up. He's a very talented college QB but he's a punk who doesn't comprehend how far away he is from being a legit NFL QB. That said, he's Sumlin's best chance to win a title so he has to deal with him and try to keep him happy. If A&M loses a couple games and Manziel keeps up his antics, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sumlin/A&M sit him down for a game or two.
TAMU Eagle - What are people's thoughts on Manziel in Aggieland?
If I read it correctly, my understanding is that the high school football coaches are being paid $75,000 base salary without doing anything else at the school. That could be wrong though. My guess is your brother makes $90,000 between teaching and coaching, with more of it coming from teaching (although probably still a pretty ridiculous amount for coaching, being as it is like a 3 month job). Would that be correct?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 04, 2013, 09:58:11 AM
If I read it correctly, my understanding is that the high school football coaches are being paid $75,000 base salary without doing anything else at the school. That could be wrong though. My guess is your brother makes $90,000 between teaching and coaching, with more of it coming from teaching (although probably still a pretty ridiculous amount for coaching, being as it is like a 3 month job). Would that be correct?
I don't know of his exact breakdown but yes, most of his salary is from teaching. He's also an assistant track coach so he gets some income from there too, but I would guess that's only around $5K. Still, not a bad way to make a living.
$75K base only to coach HS football would be very high, but making six-figures to be a teacher and coach is not all that out of the ordinary.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 04, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
Johnny's fine. He's simply the latest incarnation of the ESPN hype machine which loves to build it up, hype it up, investigate it up, then blow it up. Plenty of fine athletes who have been through this before. As Mark May proves so often the only interest ESPN has is ratings and they'll do anything, including actively mythologizing, to get them up. When those ratings fall, all they have left is actively de-mythologizing and that leads all these mindless drones to be so certain that Johnny is a prima donna douchebag punk tool who's simply not as cool a human as they are.
Did ESPN post pictures of Manziel drinking while underage on his Twitter page? Or pictures of him holding wads of cash? Or force him to get into tweet-fights with strangers? Or act like an idiot on the football field?
Does ESPN overplay certain topics? Absolutely. But they aren't to blame for Manziel being portrayed as a punk. Johnny does that to himself.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 04, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
Johnny's fine. He's simply the latest incarnation of the ESPN hype machine which loves to build it up, hype it up, investigate it up, then blow it up. Plenty of fine athletes who have been through this before. As Mark May proves so often the only interest ESPN has is ratings and they'll do anything, including actively mythologizing, to get them up. When those ratings fall, all they have left is actively de-mythologizing and that leads all these mindless drones to be so certain that Johnny is a prima donna douchebag punk tool who's simply not as cool a human as they are.
Well stated.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Did ESPN post pictures of Manziel drinking while underage on his Twitter page? Or pictures of him holding wads of cash? Or force him to get into tweet-fights with strangers? Or act like an idiot on the football field?
OH MY GOD!!! Drinking while underage??? Holding money??? Tweet-fights???
THE OUTRAGE!!!!!
He's simply living the exact same life that a large majority of frat guys on large, party campuses are living. The difference is, he's doing it in the spotlight. I think one's opinion of Johnny is based on what you think athletes should be doing based on their talent. Do you think athletes should use their standing and be a good, upstanding example in society? Or do you think athletes are normal, sometimes shitty human beings who happen to have a talent?
ESPN is trying to distance themselves from any possible public scrutiny after building him up so much now that there is some "bad" stuff out there on Manziel.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
I don't know of his exact breakdown but yes, most of his salary is from teaching. He's also an assistant track coach so he gets some income from there too, but I would guess that's only around $5K. Still, not a bad way to make a living.
$75K base only to coach HS football would be very high, but making six-figures to be a teacher and coach is not all that out of the ordinary.
Agreed.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 04, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
OH MY GOD!!! Drinking while underage??? Holding money??? Tweet-fights???
THE OUTRAGE!!!!!
When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
I'm sure if Terror Skink Jr. was in Johnny's position and acting a fool, you'd have no problem with it, huh?
He is doing the modern version of the 'back-in-the-day' stuff that many people here talk about. It hasn't dawned on him yet that as a modern athlete, he lives in a fishbowl, is constantly under the microscope, and has no assumption of privacy. The reaction to all of this says more about the downfall of society than does a 20 year old male doing stupid stuff.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 10:44:40 AM
When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
I'm sure if Terror Skink Jr. was in Johnny's position and acting a fool, you'd have no problem with it, huh?
Manziel is about one incident from falling four or five rounds in the NFL Draft. Reputation counts for a lot in draft status, and he's f**king his up in the eyes of many, including ESPN (the "HYPE" media). That's millions in guaranteed money he's risking.
I wonder if this thread was about a MU player and the same comments were made.........
:-*
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 04, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
I wonder if this thread was about a MU player and the same comments were made.........
:-*
Don't do it Chicos. You know someone's ready and waiting to ATTACK!!
He's an immature, cocky, D-bag.
With this said, I kind of like the full-heal bit he's doing. I mean, it's entertaining, that's for sure.
As far as media hype and overexposure, it's a 2-way street. Johnny should probably keep a lower profile, but ESPN also needs to realize what is actually news, and what is just nonsense.
Here is what I would love to see:
Johnny Football vs Tim Tebow in an NFL game. ESPN would have to launch a new channel for all of their coverage.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Did ESPN post pictures of Manziel drinking while underage on his Twitter page? Or pictures of him holding wads of cash? Or force him to get into tweet-fights with strangers? Or act like an idiot on the football field?
Does ESPN overplay certain topics? Absolutely. But they aren't to blame for Manziel being portrayed as a punk. Johnny does that to himself.
I drank in college. I won wads of cash at a Potawatomi blackjack table and took a photo. If Twitter was around I'd probably have posted that photo and been caught up in one of these "twitter-fights". I never played college football but Tim Tebow did and he used to gator chomp his ass off after burning multiple SEC secondaries.
Surely this doesn't make me and/or Timmy a punk, does it? crap, at your rate, nearly every single student in America over the last five years is a punk as it'd be pretty easy to tick off three of those four events listed.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 09:27:27 AM
TAMU Eagle - What are people's thoughts on Manziel in Aggieland?
Besides the whole autographs thing, most people think he walks on water. People are genuinely confused why he gets all the negative press that he does. The way Aggies look at it, he drank underage, posted stupid stuff on twitter, and talks trash on the field....like any other college student would do. So they see him as a hero...but they accept his flaws because they know he is a college student and college students do dumb things.
But us Aggies were fairly outraged when we heard about the autographs. Not because we have a moral stance that says selling autographs is wrong, but because he jeopardized the rest of the team by taking that risk. If he had been suspended for the entire season, it would be a pretty safe bet that Aggieland would have turned on him. That being said, a lot of Aggies now have an opinion on whether players should get paid.
The coverage that most pissed people of down here was from Mark May...I mean seriously? He says Manziel is shaming the game when he himself was arrested TWICE for DWIs? Seriously?
I personally haven't met him, but those who have had nothing but good things to say about him. I recognize some of the cocky douchebag things he has done, but it doesn't seem any worse than what I see from the rest of my students. Of course, I am biased.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 04, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
I wonder if this thread was about a MU player and the same comments were made.........
:-*
Easy - nothing to "wonder" about. Put Johnny in an MU jersey and YOU would be the one making the "comments" - all the while "wondering" what his blue and gold kool aid drinking defenders would say if he wasn't from MU. Then you would call everyone who disagreed with you a hypocrite. Chicos 101.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 04, 2013, 12:46:24 PM
I drank in college. I won wads of cash at a Potawatomi blackjack table and took a photo. If Twitter was around I'd probably have posted that photo and been caught up in one of these "twitter-fights". I never played college football but Tim Tebow did and he used to gator chomp his ass off after burning multiple SEC secondaries.
Surely this doesn't make me and/or Timmy a punk, does it? crap, at your rate, nearly every single student in America over the last five years is a punk as it'd be pretty easy to tick off three of those four events listed.
I'll post it again...When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
I agree with those who have said the only thing that is a real issue is the autograph situation. A Rice player already came out and said his "trash-talking" on the field was nothing and one of the incidents that Mark May freaked out about was him telling the dude "nice hit".
Mark May is a great example of the hypocritical BS. He's one of the talking heads fueling the anti-Manziel fire, talking about him being a disgrace yet he's the same clown who was arrested for threatening officers and inciting a riot in college and then got a pair of DUIs while playing in the NFL.
People are quick to label Manziel a punk and I don't think its fair. He's under ridiculous scrutiny and expectations so I think people need to slow themselves to judgement. I'd recommend you don't look into the activities of your college aged kids and acquaintances cause you'll find out he's not some incorrigible wild child, he's a kid. Lets save that "held to a higher standard as an athlete" for when he's a pro, not a 20 year old student.
Now back to your regularly scheduled pearl clutching.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 04, 2013, 09:15:45 AM
No. They haven't been. I mean, he shouldn't be getting flags, but outside of that I have no problem with what he has been doing. (Both sides were talking during that game before Manziel even started playing.) And the media piling on, including the blowhards at ESPN, has been pretty stupid.
If they keep that up, I am going to openly root for him and A&M to win the national championship.
+1
Gotta love all of the "responsible adults" tsk tsk'ing at a college kid. Isn't "these kids nowadays" a national pastime?
He's just a punky kid seeking attention. So what! Maybe his hero growing up was Jim McMahon.
If this thread was about an MU player, somebody would end up getting banned.
Let's talk about Tim Tebow instead ;D
Quote from: brandx on September 04, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
+1
Gotta love all of the "responsible adults" tsk tsk'ing at a college kid. Isn't "these kids nowadays" a national pastime?
He's just a punky kid seeking attention. So what! Maybe his hero growing up was Jim McMahon.
Jim McMahon is the worst.
I do have some sympathy for his current circumstance, but still .... the worst.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2013, 02:01:36 PM
Jim McMahon is the worst.
I do some sympathy for his current circumstance, but still .... the worst.
Can't disagree with that. Charles Martin is still my hero.
Quote from: brandx on September 04, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
Can't disagree with that. Charles Martin is still my hero.
Egh....
Charles Martin was symbolic of those POS Packer teams under Forrest Gregg. Complete tool on a team full of them.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 09:27:27 AM
That amount of money really isn't unheard of. My brother is a HS football coach in the Chicago suburbs (who also teaches math) and makes close to $90k.
That's a big difference compared to only a coach making $75,000/year.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 04, 2013, 02:24:00 PM
Egh....
Charles Martin was symbolic of those POS Packer teams under Forrest Gregg. Complete tool on a team full of them.
Don't worry - just a joke
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 04, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
I wonder if this thread was about a MU player and the same comments were made.........
:-*
Wow
For the people who pay zero attention to college football, can someone summarize what this guy is accused of? Thanks for rewarding my laziness.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 04, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
Well stated.
OH MY GOD!!! Drinking while underage??? Holding money??? Tweet-fights???
THE OUTRAGE!!!!!
The difference between him and normal students is his problems are severe enough that he has had to seek treatment for alcohol abuse and anger issues. That is not remotely normal.
Also, he has shown a distinct issue with defying coaches and mentors, again not typical college behavior. He's burned so many bridges it is a bit ridiculous. He is one mistake away from turning himself into a 4-5th round draft pick.
Also, TAMU, we must know different A&M fans, maybe different age groups, because most I know think he is a D-bag, a D-bag they will root for however.
I love the guy, he should 100% embrace being a heel.
If he comes out one week with sunglasses and a black spray painted on beard, I fully endorse it.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on September 04, 2013, 03:30:43 PM
Wow
Just remember...it's ok to trash others (players, coaches, parents, etc) and please do so often.....others that is.
Quote from: MUDish on September 04, 2013, 06:12:39 PM
I love the guy, he should 100% embrace being a heel.
If he comes out one week with sunglasses and a black spray painted on beard, I fully endorse it.
And chewing on a toothpick
Don't forget the toothpick.
Enjoy watching Johnny Football play football...easy to judge another when you've never walked a day in their shoes. He's 20 years old, wants to have some fun that typical 20 year olds have...don't see a whole lot wrong. He's a lightening rod for sure, thus the over-exposure/attention.
I loved his point at the scoreboard to the Rice player this past weekend...saw the Clemson quarterback do the "cash" thing with his fingers as he went into the endzone....pretty soon college football will also become the NFL - No Fun League.
The Rice players were trying to get in his head, talking sh$t...have ZERO problem with a guy who talks sh$t back and can back it up, as Manziel thus far has...
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2013, 07:55:38 PM
And chewing on a toothpick
Don't forget the toothpick.
"Hey yo".
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
I'll post it again...When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
All true....now you understand why some of us were not thrilled with actions of some of our guys. They are held to a different standard, in the public spotlight, everyone with a cell phone camera, everyone tweeting, etc. It sucks, but you have to be careful. I feel bad for Johnny Football, he does somet stupid stuff but he also has thousands of people that can't wait to take him down a peg as well and get their 15 seconds of fame by posting pictures, etc.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
I'll post it again...When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
I agree with this completely, but will add another aspect. If any other college student did the things he did, everyone would call him an A$$ or jerk (or alcoholic) and proceed to ignore them. Manziel acts the same way and we call him an A$$ and a jerk (or alcoholic), but are forced to continuously see him day in and day out continuing to act like he does. So it gets more attention.
Many college students go out have a few drinks and have fun with friends. Maybe even do some stupid things from time to time. However, they don't all go out an try it instigate things, draw attention to theirselves, act out and treat those around them like crap every day. Those that do, correctly get labeled accordingly and frankly face friendship and career consequences. The same is happening to Manziel. So I'm not sure why people think he is being treated unfairly.
If he wants to live big, he is going to fall big too. Frankly his actions are a manifestation of deeper seated issues and he would be wise to heed the warning from the media and shape up before it destroys his career before he even gets started.
Quote from: forgetful on September 04, 2013, 05:33:01 PM
Also, TAMU, we must know different A&M fans, maybe different age groups, because most I know think he is a D-bag, a D-bag they will root for however.
I've met those too. Most of the ones I have met are Old Ags. Men who were in the corps and still abide by the strict honor code that they had when they were students. Also, not all the faculty and staff are thrilled but I think most are pro-Johnny.
I work with current A&M students and that's the opinions I was basing my post on. I'm sure there are younger fans who feel the same way, but they are definitely a minority on campus.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 04, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
I'll post it again...When you're a college athlete, particularly one in the national spotlight, and you continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them, you lose the right to complain about being treated unfairly when you get called out for continuously do stupid things and then publicly brag about them.
Athlete or not, many college kids do stupid things and brag about them (e.g. the Iowa girl who blew a .341 trying to run onto the football field and then spent the next 12 hours on and off tweeting about how awesome she is). I'm not so high and mighty as to differentiate between one who's the daughter of my neighbor and one who plays football.
Call me when Johnny Manziel sexually assaults a person. Call me when Johnny Manziel is charged with assault and battery. Call me when Johnny Manziel is caught dead to rights with academic fraud. A college kid drinking? A college kid with money? A college kid talking smack on twitter? An athlete being cocky on the field of play? Much ado about nothing and a level of "stupidity" that many here engaged (or engage) in.
With sensitivities like yours, it's hard to think you could even open the door and retrieve the newspaper without being outraged.
Quote from: forgetful on September 04, 2013, 11:05:19 PM
I agree with this completely, but will add another aspect. If any other college student did the things he did, everyone would call him an A$$ or jerk (or alcoholic) and proceed to ignore them. Manziel acts the same way and we call him an A$$ and a jerk (or alcoholic), but are forced to continuously see him day in and day out continuing to act like he does. So it gets more attention.
Many college students go out have a few drinks and have fun with friends. Maybe even do some stupid things from time to time. However, they don't all go out an try it instigate things, draw attention to theirselves, act out and treat those around them like crap every day. Those that do, correctly get labeled accordingly and frankly face friendship and career consequences. The same is happening to Manziel. So I'm not sure why people think he is being treated unfairly.
If he wants to live big, he is going to fall big too. Frankly his actions are a manifestation of deeper seated issues and he would be wise to heed the warning from the media and shape up before it destroys his career before he even gets started.
Sparing all the naivety and bullshit psychoanalysis, what's the basis for the part I bolded?
What are the "things" Manziel instigated? Other then being a typical drawing attention to the themselves 20 year-old, what did Manziel do? And how are you so certain he treats all those around him like crap every day?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 05, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
Call me when Johnny Manziel sexually assaults a person. Call me when Johnny Manziel is charged with assault and battery. Call me when Johnny Manziel is caught dead to rights with academic fraud. A college kid drinking? A college kid with money? A college kid talking smack on twitter? An athlete being cocky on the field of play? Much ado about nothing and a level of "stupidity" that many here engaged (or engage) in.
With sensitivities like yours, it's hard to think you could even open the door and retrieve the newspaper without being outraged.
I'm with you, Lanche. Remember all the hand wringing here when some of our guys were cited for being in a bar (not drinking) underage? A total non story, but if you listened to the radio or some here it was big news. I wonder what part envy plays in all of this.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 05, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
Athlete or not, many college kids do stupid things and brag about them (e.g. the Iowa girl who blew a .341 trying to run onto the football field and then spent the next 12 hours on and off tweeting about how awesome she is). I'm not so high and mighty as to differentiate between one who's the daughter of my neighbor and one who plays football.
Call me when Johnny Manziel sexually assaults a person. Call me when Johnny Manziel is charged with assault and battery. Call me when Johnny Manziel is caught dead to rights with academic fraud. A college kid drinking? A college kid with money? A college kid talking smack on twitter? An athlete being cocky on the field of play? Much ado about nothing and a level of "stupidity" that many here engaged (or engage) in.
With sensitivities like yours, it's hard to think you could even open the door and retrieve the newspaper without being outraged.
You sure sound like someone who's pretty high and mighty.
Does your neighbor's daughter go to school for free? Is she a well-known representative of her university? Is she a role model to young people across the country? If you're on the "everyone's doing it, so it's fine" train, good for you. Personally, I hold people to a higher standard than that. Are you not familiar with the biblical notion that to whom much is given, much is required? ;)
Manziel was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors. I assume you're fine with that though since other 19-year-olds have gotten into fights and then produced a fake ID.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 05, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
Athlete or not, many college kids do stupid things and brag about them (e.g. the Iowa girl who blew a .341 trying to run onto the football field and then spent the next 12 hours on and off tweeting about how awesome she is). I'm not so high and mighty as to differentiate between one who's the daughter of my neighbor and one who plays football.
Agree, though I think that .341 story is somewhat bogus. I'd like to see who calibrated their breathelizer. A .341 should make you dead or in a coma.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 05, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
Agree, though I think that .341 story is somewhat bogus. I'd like to see who calibrated their breathelizer. A .341 should make you dead or in a coma.
Actually, this isn't necessarily true. My department responds to alcohol situations frequently. I have seen someone blow a .410 and still be conscious. Granted, they weren't moving, but they were still awake.
My guess is that when she ran onto the field she was "on her way up." Her BAC peaked at .341 but when she ran onto the field it was probably much lower.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 05, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
Actually, this isn't necessarily true. My department responds to alcohol situations frequently. I have seen someone blow a .410 and still be conscious. Granted, they weren't moving, but they were still awake.
My guess is that when she ran onto the field she was "on her way up." Her BAC peaked at .341 but when she ran onto the field it was probably much lower.
Interesting. I was always told a number that high and you are seriously screwed. I suppose exceptions to every rule.
Here is one of the charts that outlines based on body weight what a number like that could mean. For women, a .341 shows up in "death possible" assuming she is around 100lbs. I have no idea how big this gal was.
http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 05, 2013, 10:37:56 AM
You sure sound like someone who's pretty high and mighty.
Does your neighbor's daughter go to school for free? Is she a well-known representative of her university? Is she a role model to young people across the country? If you're on the "everyone's doing it, so it's fine" train, good for you. Personally, I hold people to a higher standard than that. Are you not familiar with the biblical notion that to whom much is given, much is required? ;)
A couple points.
1. I'm tired of the "going to school for free" thing. He has no other option but to go to school. The rules won't let him earn a living doing what he does best (so much for the free market).
2. A role model? How about parents being a role model to their kids instead of shirking their duty and expecting a total stranger to be what they have failed to be.
Quote from: brandx on September 05, 2013, 02:24:25 PM
A couple points.
1. I'm tired of the "going to school for free" thing. He has no other option but to go to school. The rules won't let him earn a living doing what he does best (so much for the free market).
2. A role model? How about parents being a role model to their kids instead of shirking their duty and expecting a total stranger to be what they have failed to be.
1. That doesn't change the fact that he has been given the opportunity to receive a free education.
2. Whether you like it or not, athletes are role models. Sure, parents would ideally be the primary role models in their kids lives, but that isn't always the case. Just because you don't think he should be a role model, that doesn't mean that he isn't.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 05, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
Actually, this isn't necessarily true. My department responds to alcohol situations frequently. I have seen someone blow a .410 and still be conscious. Granted, they weren't moving, but they were still awake.
My guess is that when she ran onto the field she was "on her way up." Her BAC peaked at .341 but when she ran onto the field it was probably much lower.
World record is .914.
Never get into a drinking contest with an Eastern European.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2005/01/04/drunk-bulgarian-050104.html
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 05, 2013, 10:37:56 AM
You sure sound like someone who's pretty high and mighty.
Does your neighbor's daughter go to school for free? Is she a well-known representative of her university? Is she a role model to young people across the country? If you're on the "everyone's doing it, so it's fine" train, good for you. Personally, I hold people to a higher standard than that. Are you not familiar with the biblical notion that to whom much is given, much is required? ;)
Manziel was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors. I assume you're fine with that though since other 19-year-olds have gotten into fights and then produced a fake ID.
High and mighty would be getting panties in a bunch over behavior that has been going on for decades, whether in a spotlight or not. But with the always convenient fall back to biblical ideology, this is territory I won't enter.
Regarding Manziel's legal run-ins, much as I viewed Vander's moment, this crap happens in college. Though, in Johnny's case, rarely do you see a kid start with caution and try to diffuse the situation like he did according to sworn witness testimony until the fight was brought to him. It's not like Manziel pulled a Pierre Pierce. As for a fake ID? I'd be shocked if Manziel didn't have one.
Fake ID or Marijuana? Which one are you offered first in the dorm?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on September 06, 2013, 09:29:39 AM
High and mighty would be getting panties in a bunch over behavior that has been going on for decades, whether in a spotlight or not. But with the always convenient fall back to biblical ideology, this is territory I won't enter.
Regarding Manziel's legal run-ins, much as I viewed Vander's moment, this crap happens in college. Though, in Johnny's case, rarely do you see a kid start with caution and try to diffuse the situation like he did according to sworn witness testimony until the fight was brought to him. It's not like Manziel pulled a Pierre Pierce. As for a fake ID? I'd be shocked if Manziel didn't have one.
Yeah he's a pillar of calmness, which is why he has had to be treated for alcohol addiction and anger management. It's also why he shoved a team manager to the ground (because he throw 3 interceptions) and was about to attack him before his team restrained him.
When I was in college I knew a lot of the athletes. Did they drink, yeah, but just like every other student they tried to be a little discrete about it. Did they do a few stupid things, yeah, but again they tried to be discrete about ti.
Manziel goes extremely over the top with everything. Experts say that his actions have probably already cost him millions in the future. Why, because his actions are way beyond the norm. They represent a character flaw, consistent with an egomaniac A$$hole. To try to represent his actions as typical college behavior is either naive to the average college student, or rather condones the actions of the fringe 10% who as Johnny does, have character flaws that will affect their careers/families/friends.
Quote from: elephantraker on September 06, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
Fake ID or Marijuana? Which one are you offered first in the dorm?
Depends on the school.
When I was at MU, very few drugs.
I was on Spring break once back home in L.A. and went to a party with some of my buds and Loyola Marymount and then over at USC. At SC, the cocaine was at every party if you wanted it....it was an eye opener.
I have no dog in this hunt. I could not care less about Johnny Football's exploits.
That said, if he wants to be an NFL quarterback, he needs to get serious. At this rate, he may flame out before his eligibility is complete.
Quote from: elephantraker on September 06, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
Fake ID or Marijuana? Which one are you offered first in the dorm?
Why would you show up without either
Quote from: elephantraker on September 06, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
Fake ID or Marijuana? Which one are you offered first in the dorm?
I was offered pot once in 4 years at MU. Of course, beer was $5.99 a case......
Quote from: tower912 on September 06, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
I was offered pot once in 4 years at MU. Of course, beer was $5.99 a case......
Once? Sounds like the band geeks got crazy one night and ONCE tried to turn a sax into a bong. Beer being $5.99 a case only means you have plenty of money to spend.
I graduated in 08 and if you knew where to look, beer was still 5.99 a case. Pot was everywhere, except the library. I miss college.
Quote from: BRMU23 on September 06, 2013, 03:29:28 PM
I graduated in 08 and if you knew where to look, beer was still 5.99 a case. Pot was everywhere, except the library. I miss college.
Mount Creek? $6 for a thirty pack.
For all of you who may be judging me, when I was in college, I had no standards (it was tough to be a guy at MU and have standards).
Quote from: Abode4life on September 06, 2013, 04:02:59 PM
Mount Creek? $6 for a thirty pack.
That is really cheap. The cheapest I ever remember seeing was something called Wildcat Ice, gas station in Duluth had it for $2.50 a 12-pack.
Other than that the cheapest beer I an think of available everywhere was Schaefer Light.
For both, you got what you paid for.
Quote from: BRMU23 on September 06, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
For all of you who may be judging me, when I was in college, I had no standards (it was tough to be a guy at MU and have standards).
Ah, the go-to excuse for guys who were perpetually shot down except for the occasional fatty.
MU girls made it easier to pick up girls while visiting other colleges. Not saying im just saying.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 09, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
Ah, the go-to excuse for guys who were perpetually shot down except for the occasional fatty.
Ain't nothing wrong with fatties. It's the sloppy ones I hasitate on. (3x's more gut than butt)
Quote from: damuts222 on September 09, 2013, 12:25:43 PM
MU girls made it easier to pick up girls while visiting other colleges. Not saying im just saying.
So MU girls are tease?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 06, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
Depends on the school.
When I was at MU, very few drugs.
I was on Spring break once back home in L.A. and went to a party with some of my buds and Loyola Marymount and then over at USC. At SC, the cocaine was at every party if you wanted it....it was an eye opener.
I was Marquette about the same time you were and pot was at a bunch of the parties I went to. The only time I saw drugs harder than that was when some people were doing coke at a party...and I got out of there pretty quick.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 09, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
I was Marquette about the same time you were and pot was at a bunch of the parties I went to. The only time I saw drugs harder than that was when some people were doing coke at a party...and I got out of there pretty quick.
I guess I was at my girlfriend's place too much, honestly didn't come in contact with it very much at all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 06, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
Depends on the school.
When I was at MU, very few drugs.
I was on Spring break once back home in L.A. and went to a party with some of my buds and Loyola Marymount and then over at USC. At SC, the cocaine was at every party if you wanted it....it was an eye opener.
While MU is a drinking school first and foremost, there was a decent amount of pot at MU. Although it wasn't my thing, I knew lots of people who did it, and it was relatively easy to acquire if you wanted it. Saw people doing coke once or twice but it wasn't ubiquitous like at some schools.
Peruse the Marquette Tribune DPS reports online sometime. They are pretty funny. A lot of the reports are about controlled substances.
Oh and I graduated in '08 and there were still 30 packs of beer to be had for < $10 if you knew the right liquor stores in some of the less pleasant areas of Milwaukee
How did we get here?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 09, 2013, 07:54:30 PM
How did we get here?
At least no one mentioned Crean yet.
I've got a recent ('13) A&M grad working for me. He went back home for the Rice game and is going back for the Bama game. He loves Manziel. Thinks he can do no wrong. He thinks kid gets a bad rap cause he comes from a successful family.
http://deadspin.com/texas-a-m-raised-a-record-740-million-in-donations-las-1334527524
Impressive.
For the fiscal year ending Aug. 31, Texas A&M received a mammoth $740 million in pledges and gifts, according to an email sent out by chancellor John Sharp. When it's all collected and finalized, it should be an all-time record for a public university. And make no mistake: it's about football.
Let's put that number in context: The previous year, when A&M was just a mediocre Big 12 team, the university's fundraising haul was just $181 million. One move to the SEC, one stadium renovation drive, and one Johnny Manziel later, and donations went up more than 400 300 percent.
Quote from: Atticus on September 18, 2013, 07:24:04 AM
http://deadspin.com/texas-a-m-raised-a-record-740-million-in-donations-las-1334527524
Impressive.
For the fiscal year ending Aug. 31, Texas A&M received a mammoth $740 million in pledges and gifts, according to an email sent out by chancellor John Sharp. When it's all collected and finalized, it should be an all-time record for a public university. And make no mistake: it's about football.
Let's put that number in context: The previous year, when A&M was just a mediocre Big 12 team, the university's fundraising haul was just $181 million. One move to the SEC, one stadium renovation drive, and one Johnny Manziel later, and donations went up more than 400 300 percent.
It has a great deal to do with football, but a lot of this is simply timing when the pledges come in.
Quote from: Atticus on September 18, 2013, 07:24:04 AM
http://deadspin.com/texas-a-m-raised-a-record-740-million-in-donations-las-1334527524
Impressive.
For the fiscal year ending Aug. 31, Texas A&M received a mammoth $740 million in pledges and gifts, according to an email sent out by chancellor John Sharp. When it's all collected and finalized, it should be an all-time record for a public university. And make no mistake: it's about football.
Let's put that number in context: The previous year, when A&M was just a mediocre Big 12 team, the university's fundraising haul was just $181 million. One move to the SEC, one stadium renovation drive, and one Johnny Manziel later, and donations went up more than 400 300 percent.
They also launched a very large federal biosecurity center. It accounts for probably at least $185M of the increase (depending on how they decide to do the accounting possibly up to $375M), along with around $250 million for the new stadium.
Both would have occurred without Mr. Football.
Quote from: forgetful on September 18, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
They also launched a very large federal biosecurity center. It accounts for probably at least $185M of the increase (depending on how they decide to do the accounting possibly up to $375M), along with around $250 million for the new stadium.
Both would have occurred without Mr. Football.
Fortunately for all of us, you are much more informed than the chancellor of the school.
"Everything about A&M is hitting exactly at the right time and people want to be part of a winning program and, right now, A&M is winning with faculty and students and winning in football," chancellor John Sharp said.
Texas A&M Foundation President Ed Davis said the school's last fiscal year was the best fundraising effort in his 20 years with the program. Davis also made the correlation between football and fundraising.
"People ask me all the time if you have a winning football team, do you raise more money," Davis said. "In normal times, the statistical data wouldn't support that, but in an era where we are in, effectively, in the news everywhere and you have a young man like our quarterback who has been a media magnet and you have the success you have, I do think that euphoria does spill over into success in fundraising. I'm hoping we can keep it up."
Yup - nothing to do with Johnny Football at all.
Quote from: brandx on September 18, 2013, 11:57:43 PM
Fortunately for all of us, you are much more informed than the chancellor of the school.
"Everything about A&M is hitting exactly at the right time and people want to be part of a winning program and, right now, A&M is winning with faculty and students and winning in football," chancellor John Sharp said.
Texas A&M Foundation President Ed Davis said the school's last fiscal year was the best fundraising effort in his 20 years with the program. Davis also made the correlation between football and fundraising.
"People ask me all the time if you have a winning football team, do you raise more money," Davis said. "In normal times, the statistical data wouldn't support that, but in an era where we are in, effectively, in the news everywhere and you have a young man like our quarterback who has been a media magnet and you have the success you have, I do think that euphoria does spill over into success in fundraising. I'm hoping we can keep it up."
Yup - nothing to do with Johnny Football at all.
You have to realize there is a lot of politics in "education". A&M took some criticism in the state for leaving the Big 12, to get out from under Texas's shadow. One of the reasons is they argued they would bring in more money being part of the SEC.
Year 1 didn't work out that way. Fundraising was relatively flat. They took hits for this in some circles. The new capital campaigns brought in a lot of money, spinning that as a "look what joining the SEC did for us" is a bit of politicking. If you venture away from sports news sources you will hear him distance away from the sport impact.
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/09/16/texas-am-touts-record-breaking-fundraising-year/ (http://www.texastribune.org/2013/09/16/texas-am-touts-record-breaking-fundraising-year/)
But Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told the Tribune that he believes there is more to it than athletics, though he acknowledged it helps. "Athletics," he said, "while it's certainly not the reason we're here, serves as a heck of a message to get the message out about what's happening at A&M."
And more.
Ed Davis, the president of the Texas A&M Foundation, which raises money to support the university, including nearly $351 million in the last year, said that some of the increases in gifts could be attributed to demographics.
The "magic age" for gift giving, he said, is 55 years and older. In the last decade, the total number of former A&M students in that range has more than doubled, from slightly more than 20,000 to nearly 50,000. Davis said it is expected to double again by 2020.
"The future is bright in terms of people who are going to be making gifts from wealth that they have accumulated," Davis said, adding that a thriving energy sector in the state also contributed to the number of individuals with money to donate.
The school also has a number of high-profile projects — pertaining to both athletics and research — under way, including a major renovation of Kyle Field and the establishment of a major federal biosecurity center.
As I posted above, the federal biosecurity center is bringing in insane amounts of money. None of that money has anything to do with football. Did the success likely help raise money for the stadium, yes, does that do anything to help the University, no.
Also note in your quote they admit that statistics indicate no correlation between fundraising and successful football, but he thinks the euphoria spills over.
Quote from: brandx on September 18, 2013, 11:57:43 PM
Fortunately for all of us, you are much more informed than the chancellor of the school.
"Everything about A&M is hitting exactly at the right time and people want to be part of a winning program and, right now, A&M is winning with faculty and students and winning in football," chancellor John Sharp said.
Texas A&M Foundation President Ed Davis said the school's last fiscal year was the best fundraising effort in his 20 years with the program. Davis also made the correlation between football and fundraising.
"People ask me all the time if you have a winning football team, do you raise more money," Davis said. "In normal times, the statistical data wouldn't support that, but in an era where we are in, effectively, in the news everywhere and you have a young man like our quarterback who has been a media magnet and you have the success you have, I do think that euphoria does spill over into success in fundraising. I'm hoping we can keep it up."
Yup - nothing to do with Johnny Football at all.
Also, what about the grand total of less than $60,000 that A&M brought in total last year from jersey sales?
The biggest value that football brings to a University is recruiting top students to come because of the culture. Top students graduate to high pay and can return lots of money in donations to the University. As the man in charge of fundraising at A&M said, there is no statistical correlation between a winning program and donations to the University.
I can cite numerous examples of Universities that admit the only reason for their football/basketball programs is to keep enrollment up. They also admit that frankly they don't care if they ever win a game as it has no bearing on the publicity/fundraising.
TAMU, going to be in College Station first week in October. Got any recommendations for BBQ? Been to C&J and Rudy's. Both good, like C&J better.