Per his coach:
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/374641595032666113
Haven't heard much about him until now, but it seems like we're recruiting him pretty hard.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/marial-shayok-says-few-schools-working-hardest-2/
He's not from Wisconsin, and he's not a big. He's one of those darn switchables. We don't want him.. ;D
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Marial-Shayok-146269
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=6668273
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on September 02, 2013, 04:23:30 PM
Haven't heard much about him until now, but it seems like we're recruiting him pretty hard.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/marial-shayok-says-few-schools-working-hardest-2/
"A fast school, transition, a place where the coach is going to stay there my whole college career," he said of what he wants. "Just a place where I can get better."
With the Texas job already being open for the 2014 season, we can kiss him goodbye, unless our new head coach is already the one recruiting him.
Top player in Canada and potentially could be a high-riser now that he's playing in the states:
http://future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/marial-shayok-sg-2014
Marquette wasn't even mentioned in the following article in May (MU offered in June). Also outplayed Rashad Vaughn:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/a-few-schools-concentrating-on-2014-wing-marial-shayok/
Quote from: MUCrew on September 02, 2013, 06:04:29 PM
Top player in Canada and potentially could be a high-riser now that he's playing in the states:
Also outplayed Rashad Vaughn:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/a-few-schools-concentrating-on-2014-wing-marial-shayok/
That was one game.. Rashad had a rough outing (12 points, ** 8 turnovers **).. Shayok had 13.
His offensive play in EYBL games wasn't very strong - 42.9% eFG, turnover rate of ~24%, more turnovers than assists, didn't get to the line much... but he didn't play a ton (I think only played in two sessions during the regular season.. ). He can rebound on the defensive** side of the glass. His %Shots and %Poss were both around 23-24% in the EYBL, which I like.. but CIA Bounce wasn't very good this season.
Has played fairly well in international competition and had a nice 4 games at the Nike Global Challenge.
May turn out pretty good, but a lot of what you like about him is what he *might* be able to grow into as a player..
willie and i say buzz is clueless when it comes to recruiting and he needs to pass...we got in on him too late...we need to be getting verbals by age 15 at the latest.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 02, 2013, 06:37:43 PM
That was one game.. Rashad had a rough outing (12 points, ** 8 turnovers **).. Shayok had 13.
His offensive play in EYBL games wasn't very strong - 42.9% eFG, turnover rate of ~24%, more turnovers than assists, didn't get to the line much... but he didn't play a ton (I think only played in two sessions during the regular season.. ). He can rebound on the defensive** side of the glass. His %Shots and %Poss were both around 23-24% in the EYBL, which I like.. but CIA Bounce wasn't very good this season.
Has played fairly well in international competition and had a nice 4 games at the Nike Global Challenge.
May turn out pretty good, but a lot of what you like about him is what he *might* be able to grow into as a player..
Yeah I'm only basing my opinion on the few articles I read. I'm guilty of banking on potential.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 02, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
willie and i say buzz is clueless when it comes to recruiting and he needs to pass...we got in on him too late...we need to be getting verbals by age 15 at the latest.
Agreed, especially if the recruit is already 6'3" at 15 (potential to grow to 6'10", because after all, you never know) and can school current MU studs in pick up games. As some have already stated, Buzz should be camped out at Wade's kid's 5th grade gym. If Buzz doesn't do it, you know Crean will.
Any freshman that can hang with MU players on the court, must be impressive. I am not sure Buzz can watch, but I am sure somebody came up and told him how he played. Kid
will probably be 6'5" to 6'6'' wing player in the future. It is so long from now, it will be interesting to watch his improvement.
Quote from: willie warrior on September 03, 2013, 09:13:26 AM
Agreed, especially if the recruit is already 6'3" at 15 (potential to grow to 6'10", because after all, you never know) and can school current MU studs in pick up games. As some have already stated, Buzz should be camped out at Wade's kid's 5th grade gym. If Buzz doesn't do it, you know Crean will.
willie, I'm not sure avid was serious...
...and there's never a guarantee the son of a great player will be great. How are Jordan's kids doing in the NBA? Another good example is Ken Griffey Jr. His dad was okay, but he was a superstar. Sometimes the son surpasses the father, sometimes not. I'd much rather recruit on what an individual (regardless of bloodlines) is actually doing than what his relatives did. That seems to be exactly what Buzz did here.
And it's funny to think of anyone complaining of roster makeup for 2017. Every player we have now will be gone by the time Flory gets here, so we new everything for that class.
Quote from: willie warrior on September 03, 2013, 09:13:26 AM
As some have already stated, Buzz should be camped out at Wade's kid's 5th grade gym. If Buzz doesn't do it, you know Crean will.
If Wade's kid can play and can qualify (Chicos is in charge of this - I'm sure he's given D Wade a piece of his mind regarding parental responsibility and made sure the "Don't be an f-up like the old man" speech has already been delivered), no way he's coming to MU. TC is on record saying Dwyane would have crawled through broken glass all the way to Bloomington (rather than matriculate at lowly Marquette) if he had qualified. If that's true he'd never let his kid "settle" for the likes of MU, especially if his surrogate father still has a job at IU.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 03, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
If Wade's kid can play and can qualify (Chicos is in charge of this - I'm sure he's given D Wade a piece of his mind regarding parental responsibility and made sure the "Don't be an f-up like the old man" speech has already been delivered), no way he's coming to MU. TC is on record saying Dwyane would have crawled through broken glass all the way to Bloomington (rather than matriculate at lowly Marquette) if he had qualified. If that's true he'd never let his kid "settle" for the likes of MU, especially if his surrogate father still has a job at IU.
And you know this how?
Quote from: willie warrior on September 03, 2013, 11:20:44 AM
And you know this how?
If "this" is TC's statement about Wade crawling to Bloomington through broken glass I know it because I was at the event (Wade being honored at Richards High School by ESPN and Rick Reilly) where Crean said it. I (and maybe 3000 others) heard it with our very own ears.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 03, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
If Wade's kid can play and can qualify (Chicos is in charge of this - I'm sure he's given D Wade a piece of his mind regarding parental responsibility and made sure the "Don't be an f-up like the old man" speech has already been delivered), no way he's coming to MU. TC is on record saying Dwyane would have crawled through broken glass all the way to Bloomington (rather than matriculate at lowly Marquette) if he had qualified. If that's true he'd never let his kid "settle" for the likes of MU, especially if his surrogate father still has a job at IU.
I still see Wade rocking Marquette gear fairly often. I don't get the impression that he thinks of us as "lowly"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 03, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
I still see Wade rocking Marquette gear fairly often. I don't get the impression that he thinks of us as "lowly"
It's sarcasm, though it's clear from TC's words that he views us "lowly" in comparison to IU and thinks Wade agrees.
ESPN Analyst
Updated 06/24/2013
Strengths:
Shayok is a big wing who could still be growing. He already has good size and a natural strong body, although it remains clear that his frame is far from maxed out at this point. He's extremely smooth in the open floor but also deceptively quick with his first step in the half-court. He's got a solid stroke out to the three-point line and is a very good defensive rebounder, who loves to start the break by pounding out his dribble. He also has a knack for getting himself to the free-throw line.
Weaknesses:
He isn't truly explosive yet, although his athleticism is likely to continue to evolve with his body. Similarly, while his frame continues to mature he'll have to cut and tone his upper body. While he's a pretty good shooter already, his range is likely to continue to polish as well. Defensively, his size and length are advantages but he sometimes has to compensate for less than ideal lateral quickness.
Bottom Line:
He's got obvious talent, but more than that he has a good court demeanor, appears to be receptive to coaching, and is still just scratching the potential of his upside.
you guys are missing the point. willie wants mu to be at an elite (not to be confused with elite 8) level, and he fully understands that buzz isn't recruiting at that level. therefore we must all demand that buzz do so. if we do that, buzz will either recruit at an elite level or be fired. then we can hire a coach that will surely do better than numerous NBA contracts, 2 sweet 16's and an elite 8. so by being happy with the current state of mu basketball you are doing nothing short of ensuring we will never reach truly elite status. you "fans" of mu basketball just don't understand how to build a program. we must demand more of buzz...it's the only way he'll get his act together and start recruiting better/bigger players. willie knows how to build a program to an elite status...i think he's the reincarnation of Al :o
Quote from: avid1010 on September 03, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
you guys are missing the point. willie wants mu to be at an elite (not to be confused with elite 8) level, and he fully understands that buzz isn't recruiting at that level. therefore we must all demand that buzz do so. if we do that, buzz will either recruit at an elite level or be fired. then we can hire a coach that will surely do better than numerous NBA contracts, 2 sweet 16's and an elite 8. so by being happy with the current state of mu basketball you are doing nothing short of ensuring we will never reach truly elite status. you "fans" of mu basketball just don't understand how to build a program. we must demand more of buzz...it's the only way he'll get his act together and start recruiting better/bigger players. willie knows how to build a program to an elite status...i think he's the reincarnation of Al :o
Step one: Accept only elite talent. Step two: Hang National Championship banners semi-regularly. That Willie is one smart cookie - maybe he's The One we've been waiting for. Willie in 2016!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 03, 2013, 02:12:28 PM
It's sarcasm, though it's clear from TC's words that he views us "lowly" in comparison to IU and thinks Wade agrees.
My apologies good sir! I misread it
Quote from: Aughnanure on September 03, 2013, 03:03:49 PM
ESPN Analyst
Updated 06/24/2013
Strengths:
He's got a solid stroke out to the three-point line and is a very good defensive rebounder, who loves to start the break by pounding out his dribble. He also has a knack for getting himself to the free-throw line.
Can shoot from distance but doesn't do it a lot.
In EYBL play he didn't get to the line much. Free throw rate of around 19%, far lower than the EYBL average and his team's overall mark of 34%. 16 FTA; 71 2FGA.
I don't mean any of this in the wrong way, just sharing info.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 03, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
you guys are missing the point. willie wants mu to be at an elite (not to be confused with elite 8) level, and he fully understands that buzz isn't recruiting at that level. therefore we must all demand that buzz do so. if we do that, buzz will either recruit at an elite level or be fired. then we can hire a coach that will surely do better than numerous NBA contracts, 2 sweet 16's and an elite 8. so by being happy with the current state of mu basketball you are doing nothing short of ensuring we will never reach truly elite status. you "fans" of mu basketball just don't understand how to build a program. we must demand more of buzz...it's the only way he'll get his act together and start recruiting better/bigger players. willie knows how to build a program to an elite status...i think he's the reincarnation of Al :o
This is one of the best posts ever on Scoop. I bow to you, avid. Bravo, sir.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 03, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
you guys are missing the point. willie wants mu to be at an elite (not to be confused with elite 8) level, and he fully understands that buzz isn't recruiting at that level. therefore we must all demand that buzz do so. if we do that, buzz will either recruit at an elite level or be fired. then we can hire a coach that will surely do better than numerous NBA contracts, 2 sweet 16's and an elite 8. so by being happy with the current state of mu basketball you are doing nothing short of ensuring we will never reach truly elite status. you "fans" of mu basketball just don't understand how to build a program. we must demand more of buzz...it's the only way he'll get his act together and start recruiting better/bigger players. willie knows how to build a program to an elite status...i think he's the reincarnation of Al :o
Think he's suggesting the "Calipari Route". A little under the table won't hurt...?
Buzz is at this kid's high school today.
Jerry Meyer predicts he will attend MU.
http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/TargetPredictions
How would you guys feel rounding out next year's class with Shayok and Lammers? What about Jabari Craig/Tory Miller and a guard like Ahmed Hill or Cassell Jr.?
Here's a game of him going up against Goodluck Okonoboh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6i_v7fclHg
Vid of him from 2 years ago @ FIBA Americas:
http://vimeo.com/25583350
Love that we're targeting him.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on September 10, 2013, 03:34:56 PM
How would you guys feel rounding out next year's class with Shayok and Lammers? What about Jabari Craig/Tory Miller and a guard like Ahmed Hill or Cassell Jr.?
Shayok and a big would be fine with me. I do think that we are going to need height.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on September 10, 2013, 03:34:56 PM
How would you guys feel rounding out next year's class with Shayok and Lammers? What about Jabari Craig/Tory Miller and a guard like Ahmed Hill or Cassell Jr.?
I'd really like a center in the '14 class. I know Buzz can play small, but I like that more as an option as opposed to a necessity. I've grown a fan of the jumbo package MU has thrown out there in recent years.
Yes right now we have Cohen who can play point and is tall enough to legitimately play SF. Harris could be 6'8 by the time he's on campus so I think he's a great fit as our typical switchable wing player.
Getting Shayok would add more depth at guard and a center like Lammers/Craig would be really nice too. Miller seems more like a Davante bruiser type from his size, but I'm not too sure. Shayok and Lammers seem like 2 great players to round out the class. I wonder who else we might still be in on.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on September 10, 2013, 08:21:06 PM
Yes right now we have Cohen who can play point and is tall enough to legitimately play SF. Harris could be 6'8 by the time he's on campus so I think he's a great fit as our typical switchable wing player.
Getting Shayok would add more depth at guard and a center like Lammers/Craig would be really nice too. Miller seems more like a Davante bruiser type from his size, but I'm not too sure. Shayok and Lammers seem like 2 great players to round out the class. I wonder who else we might still be in on.
Just some thoughts..
Cohen - 2/3? Yep. I think penciling him in as a PG option is premature. Possibility is there for him to grow into that, but don't see it as myself relative to the amount it's brought up by people.
Shayok I look at more as a wing than guard. Good defensive rebounder. Just think he's more of a 3 than 2.
Miller - total PF. Low post guy. BIG, but muscular. Really, really big body. Offensive skills aren't great, but he's a bruiser. Defensively is capable of being very physical and mean. Guy you hope continues to increase already good strength and just gets better with time. More burst would help (knee injury early on in HS) his game. At least a lunch pail guy that can bang and get grimy on the blocks, but could develop into more.
Jabari Craig - I like his potential. Long shot blocker, active/athletic. Work in progress with a bit of a 'Marquette look' to him.
Wouldn't mind considering JUCO or transfer options at PF/C for 2014.
Good point. Juco big would be nice too. Would you be opposed to getting two bigs like Miller and Lammers with our final 2 schollies, or still pursue a wing like Shayok or another guard/shooter? It might be nice to have a skilled sharpshooter with one of the spots too.
Cohen's probably got a great handle for his size, but I'm skeptical that he'll see much, if any, time running the point. We don't have a long track record of Sam Worthen types who've suited up for us in the past 30 years. Dan Fitzgerald did a commendable job in '05-'06. But on the flip side, there's Bart Miller, who backed up Cordell Henry in '98-'99. What a train wreck.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on September 10, 2013, 09:45:38 PM
Good point. Juco big would be nice too. Would you be opposed to getting two bigs like Miller and Lammers with our final 2 schollies, or still pursue a wing like Shayok or another guard/shooter? It might be nice to have a skilled sharpshooter with one of the spots too.
We can always get three or four guys and Crean some guys in the spring.
Lammers is a guy I just haven't sat down and watched in person. But, with Miller and Lammers I think you've got two guys who could play PF and C respectively.. and *if* things go well on the roster, you ease them in with Jameel & Steve getting huge minutes in 2014-15. And that would work out fine.
Overall I guess I'm in favor of getting the best guys that want to be in your program the most... but would really like a guy that could* play some center.
But... if there's an excellent pg, shooter, wing, whatever else that is a good fit for the program (with the exception of not being an ideal fill for a "position of need"), then do that... too many variables to try to plan your lineup too far down the line so much that you pass on significantly better talent.
there was not too much Video on Shayok. His game kind of reminded me of L Deng (bulls). He was always more of a hard worker in the right place at the right time kind of player. He did not always look that smooth but was always effective and efficient. He is not as Big as Deng oof course. I seem him as more a 3 then 2.
If we can't get Blammers or another C for next year, I would try hard for either a highly rated juco or look for another Tarik Black to do a Russell Wilson transfer. While both Taylor and McKay can play the 5, I think they would be much more natural at the 4.
Plus a grad student transfer frees up roster space for Diamond Stone ;D
I'm really hoping we get Ahmed Hill and a big, preferably Lammers or Miller.
Interesting conversation on Hill (starts at about 10:00 mark):
http://hoopseen.com/index.php/component/k2/item/581-introducing-the-hoopseen-com-podcast
Also intrigued by Terry Larrier but not sure what our chances with him are.
Quote from: JerseyWarrior on September 11, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
Also intrigued by Terry Larrier but not sure what our chances with him are.
Zero. He cut us from his list a few weeks ago. Seems like 99% chance he ends up at VCU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2013, 08:08:10 PM
Zero. He cut us from his list a few weeks ago. Seems like 99% chance he ends up at VCU.
Didn't see that, thanks.
We're leading along with UVA:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/coach-marquette-virginia-leading-for-shayok/
Quote from: MUCrew on September 12, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
We're leading along with UVA:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/coach-marquette-virginia-leading-for-shayok/
I like how the kid mentions that Buzz talks about all the MU players that get to the NBA, and he wants to be one of them.
This is the first time I've heard a recruit say how Buzz has talked basketball with them rather than life. I think we'll get this kid.
"he's a consistent 3-point shot away from being a starter at a BCS school"
Ugh. I hope that people stop correlating 'top-notch bball programs' with "BCS school."
Quote from: MUCrew on September 12, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
We're leading along with UVA:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/coach-marquette-virginia-leading-for-shayok/
24/7 now thinks that its between Minnesota and MU, but all three experts who've voted have predicted Marquette.