For those interested I compiled a spreadsheet showing the tournament success of every "power conference" (including MWC, A10, AAC and BE) I found a lot of things interesting such as how close our combined bids are to the best conferences like the B1G
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrktsB2uZoUdDhXVEhGVXk1Q0F5QVVLaVo1ZnJFZ1E
Also eventually going to break it down by decade currently working on the since 2000 comparison.
Nice bit of research. Of course the future will determine more than the past, but it's a strong résumé and it's definitely an upgrade over any conference we were in prior to the Big East.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 25, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
Nice bit of research. Of course the future will determine more than the past, but it's a strong résumé and it's definitely an upgrade over any conference we were in prior to the Big East.
Ya just wanted to see if our numbers matched those of the traditional major conferences or if we were more like the boarder major conferences like the A10 AAC and MWC.
When the AAC loses Louisville to the ACC, there will be some serious re-balancing with the AAC sinking and the ACC moving even further up.
Nice job...however need to fix the Championship of the SEC totals
Correction...seem Kentucky's total looked like a zero to me....I need new glasses.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 25, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Also eventually going to break it down by decade currently working on the since 2000 comparison.
Yikes. SJU, Providence, Creighton, and DePaul would be worthless if you did it from 2000-present. Georgetown would fall like a rock.
Butler would be a big addition, obviously.
The thing about looking at re-alignment like this is that a lot of moves sent teams from one major conference to another. The BE has always had to poach lesser conferences to back-fill lost teams (including us). With that said, its tough to say that X, Creighton, and Butler would have contributed the same (or more) if they were in the BE instead of their respective conferences over the last 10 years. None of them would have won an auto-bid. Its all speculative, though.
Quote from: Atticus on July 25, 2013, 09:24:36 PM
Yikes. SJU, Providence, Creighton, and DePaul would be worthless if you did it from 2000-present. Georgetown would fall like a rock.
Butler would be a big addition, obviously.
The thing about looking at re-alignment like this is that a lot of moves sent teams from one major conference to another. The BE has always had to poach lesser conferences to back-fill lost teams (including us). With that said, its tough to say that X, Creighton, and Butler would have contributed the same (or more) if they were in the BE instead of their respective conferences over the last 10 years. None of them would have won an auto-bid. Its all speculative, though.
That's the beauty of the tourny it doesn't matter if you're in a mid major conference you got to the sweet16 the same as everybody else which is why I didn't do records or anything else
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 25, 2013, 11:53:37 PM
That's the beauty of the tourny it doesn't matter if you're in a mid major conference you got to the sweet16 the same as everybody else which is why I didn't do records or anything else
Yes, once a team is in the tournament, anything can happen.But some of the teams that made the tourney might not have even had the opportunity to play in it if they were in a more competitive conference....
Going forward the BigEast as 10 team conference 3- 5 bids,
The Big 10 6-8
The ACC 6-9
Every year the gap is going to get larger.
Quote from: bilsu on July 26, 2013, 07:32:18 AM
Going forward the BigEast as 10 team conference 3- 5 bids,
The Big 10 6-8
The ACC 6-9
Every year the gap is going to get larger.
Why will the gap get larger?
A big issue i could see developing over the years is great head coaches jumping to the better conferences even if the money is only marginally better. The BE used to be a conference coaxhes wanted to be a part of. Im not sure thats necessarily the case anymore.
Quote from: bilsu on July 26, 2013, 07:32:18 AM
Going forward the BigEast as 10 team conference 3- 5 bids,
The Big 10 6-8
The ACC 6-9
Every year the gap is going to get larger.
So you are predicting Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska, and Penn State are on the upswing. C'mon.
For the crap of it, I weighted performances 1 pt for 1st round, 2 pts for 2nd, 4 pts for 3rd, etc. and summed the conferences.
ACC - 2091 pts.
Big10 - 1639
Pac12 - 1578
SEC - 1425
Big12 - 1323
AAC - 1183
Big East - 970
A10 - 386
MWC - 289
Round of 64 Sweet 16 Elite 8 Final 4 Runner Up Champions Weighted Pts.
Big East
Geogetown 29 22 36 40 48 32 207
Villanova 33 32 48 32 0 32 177
Marquette 31 32 28 24 16 32 163
Saint Johns 28 18 24 16 16 0 102
Butler 12 10 8 16 32 0 78
Depaul 22 20 12 16 0 0 70
Providence 15 10 16 16 0 0 57
Seton Hall 9 8 8 8 16 0 49
Xavier 23 12 8 0 0 0 43
Creighton 18 6 0 0 0 0 24
BE Total 970
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Started making it purty.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6mDNKbsLFiqWEpQSGN1NzJubHM/edit?usp=sharing
(updated purtier - with AAC, Louisville brings 319 points to their total, which goes to the ACC).
For the crap of it I figured out the average worth of each time in each conference. (T-Bone's formula/number of teams in conference)
ACC 139.40
Big 10 136.58
Big 12 132.3
PAC 12 131.5
AAC 118.3
SEC 101.79
BEast 97
A10 29.69
MWC 26.27
SEC isn't as good as it appears and the Big 12 and AAC both move up.
It's those final four and championship numbers that drag us down. We have a lot of tournament darlings but not teams that consistently make it to the final weekend. Hopefully we can remedy that this year.
Quote from: Atticus on July 26, 2013, 06:42:54 AM
Yes, once a team is in the tournament, anything can happen.But some of the teams that made the tourney might not have even had the opportunity to play in it if they were in a more competitive conference....
You're right so why don't you just focus on wins in the tournament then rather than bids
The AAC is including Louisville though so once you remove them they should drop substantially. There is no doubt the ACC is the best basketball conference in the country.
It is hard to tell looking at all of those stats... are you also averaging by number of teams? The new Big East has only 10 teams while soon the ACC and Big Ten will have quite a bit more. I think averaging scores by number of teams seems to be fair way of determining conference strength.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on July 29, 2013, 03:25:47 PM
It is hard to tell looking at all of those stats... are you also averaging by number of teams? The new Big East has only 10 teams while soon the ACC and Big Ten will have quite a bit more. I think averaging scores by number of teams seems to be fair way of determining conference strength.
Check out my post two above yours
Quote from: MarquetteDano on July 29, 2013, 03:25:47 PM
It is hard to tell looking at all of those stats... are you also averaging by number of teams? The new Big East has only 10 teams while soon the ACC and Big Ten will have quite a bit more. I think averaging scores by number of teams seems to be fair way of determining conference strength.
I looked at the average # of bids per team and the new big east looks even better
ACC 22.3 bids per team
Big East 22
Big 12 21.9
Big 10ish 19.8
AAC 19.5
Pac 12 18.8
SEC 18.1
MWC 10.1
A10 9.3