I know it has been discussed, but it's fun anyways. Who will be the top 3 scorers for this years team do you guys think?
I say:
Davonte 13 ppg
Mayo 12 ppg
Jamil 11 ppg
Thoughts?
Gardner: 14 plus
Ja. Wilson: 13
McKay: 8
Du. Wilson: 8
Mayo: 6
Triple J: 6
Taylor:6
Otule: 5
Burton: 5
Anderson: 4
De. Wilson: 2.5
Most scoring will be in the frontcourt
McKay 14
Milly 13
Jjj 11
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 14, 2013, 12:32:32 PM
McKay 14
Milly 13
Jjj 11
So you think Davante is going to score less this year than he did last year? Not saying you're wrong, just think that's interesting (and I HOPE you are wrong).
It is hard to say, because we do not know the amount of playing time each player will get. Heck I cannot even figure out who the starters will be. After the pro am Yestruday I not sure how much playing time Mayo will get. Sure he had around 24 points, but the other team had two players with 50. I have not seen JJJ yet and it is hard to gage how each player will be able to do what Buzz wants. There is so much talent in teh front line that JJJ, Jamil Wilson, Burton or Anderson could be pushed to the 2g. I have to llok at it this way.
Potentail double figure scorers are:
Gardner
Jamil Wilson
Otule
McKay
Anderson
Mayo
Taylor
Burton
Duane Wilson
JJJ
Thomas
I think there will be four double figure scorers. Gardner and Jamil Wilson and two others from above.
I have high (possibly too high) hopes for our newcomers
J Wilson 13.1 ppg
Gardner 12.8 ppg
Johnson 10.1 ppg
McKay 8.7 pgg
Du Wilson 7.6 ppg
Anderson 6.1 ppg
Mayo 5.3 ppg
Otule 5.1 ppg
Taylor 3.3 ppg
Burton 2.2 ppg (Doesn't play every game)
De Wilson 2.1 ppg
Thomas 2.0 ppg (Doesn't play every game)
Dawson. 0.6 ppg (Doesn't play every game)
This is just based on gut feelings. Any one of these players (probably besides De Wilson, Thomas, and Dawson) could end up being a double figure scorer
I think Burton plays a lot and without seeing JJJ he is the best freshmen. Duane Wilson is super quick and will get a lot of time at point, but Burton is a stud.
Man, it's exciting to even think about the possibilities on next year's team - can anyone recall a team at MU with this much talent/potential 12 deep?? My prediction:
Gardner: 17.5ppg
Jamil: 15.5
Mayo: 12.5
McKay: 10.5
Steve Taylor: 10.0
Burton: 8ppg
JJJ: 7ppg
Duane Wilson: 6ppg
Think our scoring as a team will be up for the year, as no matter how you slice, our schedule won't be as difficult losing games against Pitt, Lville, Cuse..sad as that is to think about.
Quote from: Ners on July 14, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
Man, it's exciting to even think about the possibilities on next year's team - can anyone recall a team at MU with this much talent/potential 12 deep?? My prediction:
Gardner: 17.5ppg
Jamil: 15.5
Mayo: 12.5
McKay: 10.5
Steve Taylor: 10.0
Burton: 8ppg
JJJ: 7ppg
Duane Wilson: 6ppg
Think our scoring as a team will be up for the year, as no matter how you slice, our schedule won't be as difficult losing games against Pitt, Lville, Cuse..sad as that is to think about.
Wow. We might rival Loyola Marymont's offense back in their best days if you as in the couple ppg the role players will get.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 14, 2013, 05:11:45 PM
Wow. We might rival Loyola Marymont's offense back in their best days if you as in the couple ppg the role players will get.
Well, LMU's record is 122.4/game. Even if Ner's top 8 average 87/game, I dobut that Jake Thomas, John Dawson, Chris Otule, Juan Anderson and Derrick Wilson will average 7.0 each. So LMU's record is probably safe.
More to the point, putting aside cupcakes (like the 89 we scored against DePaul), we didn't come close to 87 in most of our games last year.
I'll grant that we should be better offensively, but Georgetown's and Villanova's defenses are still going to be tough--and we managed to score 49, 55 against GU, and 56 against Villanova last year.
Gardner 17
Jamil 12
S. Taylor 7
Juan 7
Otule 7
Derrick Wilson 5
McKay 5
JJJ 6
Mayo 6
Du. Wilson 4
Burton 2
Thomas 2
74 pts per game.
What's with all the low averages for Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Burton, etc? We're going to need one of our guards to average more than 6 this year, and we're probably in trouble if we don't.
Quote from: Aughnanure on July 15, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
What's with all the low averages for Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Burton, etc? We're going to need one of our guards to average more than 6 this year, and we're probably in trouble if we don't.
I agree. I think the problem I have is figuring out who will step up? Will it be one of the freshmen? Will Todd grow like we thought he would two years ago? Will Juan elevate his game?
That's why these predictions are so difficult.
Otule will average 10 a game.
Quote from: Aughnanure on July 15, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
What's with all the low averages for Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Burton, etc? We're going to need one of our guards to average more than 6 this year, and we're probably in trouble if we don't.
You're right... but how much more scoring are we going to get from them?
There is only 1 ball, and I don't expect MU to average 90pts. Gardner, Otule, Jamil and Taylor are all going to get some shots. I also think Juan will be improved, and I think Mayo could be a nice role player (more efficient than last year).
I'm more pessimistic regarding the frosh. than others. Not because I don't think they are talented (I do), but I think most frosh. come in over-hyped (by fans like us) and face a steep learning curve.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 15, 2013, 09:29:46 AM
Gardner 17
Jamil 12
S. Taylor 7
Juan 7
Otule 7
Derrick Wilson 5
McKay 5
JJJ 6
Mayo 6
Du. Wilson 4
Burton 2
Thomas 2
74 pts per game.
Approx. Pts by position (this will vary when Buzz goes big or goes small):
Center: (Gardner, Otule) 24
PF: (jamil, Mckay)17
SF (juan/taylor): 14
SG: (mayo, JJJ, burton, thomas): 16
PG: 9
My total was off before. This is good for 80pts.
Quote from: Badgerhater on July 15, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Otule will average 10 a game.
Playing 15-20 minutes a game?
Why stop at 10? Maybe he'll average 30.
(OK, that was overly snarky. I'd be stunned if he averages 10, though.)
I doubt Jamil will average double digits. He's not a shoot first, take charge type of guy. Vander was and he only averaged 14ppg. Gardner will average about 15, and JJJ 12.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on July 15, 2013, 11:55:18 AM
I doubt Jamil will average double digits. He's not a shoot first, take charge type of guy. Vander was and he only averaged 14ppg. Gardner will average about 15, and JJJ 12.
Jamil averaged 9.7 last year. And that included some really sh*tty performances at the beginning of the year. He was in double digits 13 of the last 15 games of the year. The only two below that were @ Nova and the E8 game v. Syracuse.
I am really confident that he will be well over 10 ppg and could very well be MU's leading scorer.
Quote from: Terror Skink on July 15, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
I am really confident that he will be well over 10 ppg and could very well be MU's leading scorer.
+1
He'd be my vote for leading scorer, with Gardner number 2. Tough to say after that because I don't even know who is going to get the majority of minutes.
If Otule was our full-time 28 mpg center, I'd think 10-12 ppg and 5-7 rpg, but with him likely playing 14-18 mpg, more like 5-6 ppg and 3-4 rpg. But whether it is Otule or Gardner, I hope we remember to pound it inside early and often next season.
Quote from: Terror Skink on July 15, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Jamil averaged 9.7 last year. And that included some really sh*tty performances at the beginning of the year. He was in double digits 13 of the last 15 games of the year. The only two below that were @ Nova and the E8 game v. Syracuse.
I am really confident that he will be well over 10 ppg and could very well be MU's leading scorer.
Agreed. Next year will be Jamil's team. He has the most NBA ready frame and the most to gain from a great season. Gardner simply won't play enough minutes to get the 17 points a game people are projecting. I think he will be closer to 13 and Jamil will be around 14 ppg.
I would expect a balanced scoring attack. We are so deep in terms of talent that the ball will be shared a lot. Buzz could legitimately run a 13 man rotation if he so chose. He won't..but I would still expect that at least 10 men see the floor a game.
I also think Juan will make huge strides this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he became one of the best sixth men in the nation. (I think he will start...but will get sixth man minutes)
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on July 15, 2013, 03:04:05 PM
Agreed. Next year will be Jamil's team. He has the most NBA ready frame and the most to gain from a great season. Gardner simply won't play enough minutes to get the 17 points a game people are projecting. I think he will be closer to 13 and Jamil will be around 14 ppg.
I would expect a balanced scoring attack. We are so deep in terms of talent that the ball will be shared a lot. Buzz could legitimately run a 13 man rotation if he so chose. He won't..but I would still expect that at least 10 men see the floor a game.
I also think Juan will make huge strides this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he became one of the best sixth men in the nation. (I think he will start...but will get sixth man minutes)
With very, very few exceptions, Jamil has not yet shown he has the personality to be a take-charge guy. The emphasis is on the "yet." Maybe he has that in him but has been waiting for the opportunity.
The other thing to consider is that, because he's not a guard, he will not naturally have the ball in his hands a lot. He has to show he can handle the ball a lot better than he has, that he can take it to the rim a lot better than he has and that he will call for the rock a lot more than he has.
For all of his talent, Jamil has shown a willingness to drift mindlessly for long stretches of games. I'm talking, 10, 12, 15 minutes without even attempting a shot. Obviously, that has to change.
I hate to even suggest it but I hope the injury to Steve doesn't set him back as much as I think it is going to. Missing an entire offseason early on in a player's college basketball career is a pretty big deal. I thought the offseason this year would lift Steve quite a bit, but without that he's going to be behind the rest of the guys. I have a hard time seeing him contributing a ton this year, especially early on. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his production is very similar to what he produced as a freshman (which isn't a bad thing, just not as much as I'd expect had he not needed knee surgery).
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
With very, very few exceptions, Jamil has not yet shown he has the personality to be a take-charge guy. The emphasis is on the "yet." Maybe he has that in him but has been waiting for the opportunity.
The other thing to consider is that, because he's not a guard, he will not naturally have the ball in his hands a lot. He has to show he can handle the ball a lot better than he has, that he can take it to the rim a lot better than he has and that he will call for the rock a lot more than he has.
For all of his talent, Jamil has shown a willingness to drift mindlessly for long stretches of games. I'm talking, 10, 12, 15 minutes without even attempting a shot. Obviously, that has to change.
While I cannot argue with anything you said, I can counter with this...Couldn't the same be said for Jimmy going into his senior season? He was a role player who was very efficient inside offensively, but had never shown any signs of being a willing mid-range jump shooter (though his FT shooting suggested he would be good if he would just pull the trigger), never handled the ball a lot or had any signs of being a true team leader. That is the great thing about Buzz, he challenges guys and pushes them to new limits that a lot of times they did not even think were possible. I fully expect somebody to make that jump up. My vote would be for Jamil because he can effect both ends of the floor. I expect a similar season to Jimmy's senior year from him.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
With very, very few exceptions, Jamil has not yet shown he has the personality to be a take-charge guy. The emphasis is on the "yet." Maybe he has that in him but has been waiting for the opportunity.
The other thing to consider is that, because he's not a guard, he will not naturally have the ball in his hands a lot. He has to show he can handle the ball a lot better than he has, that he can take it to the rim a lot better than he has and that he will call for the rock a lot more than he has.
For all of his talent, Jamil has shown a willingness to drift mindlessly for long stretches of games. I'm talking, 10, 12, 15 minutes without even attempting a shot. Obviously, that has to change.
I know it's hard to see on television, but if you have ever seen any of the scrimmages or the games in person, Jamil is definitely a team leader and Buzz is constantly communicating with him, and Jamil ultimately coaching everybody else on the floor. It was especially noticeable at Halloween hoops, and after the Syracuse game when Buzz gave Jamil all of the credit for allowing him to play Davante and Christ together.
With this said, Jamil's not the most aggressive shooter/scorer in the world, and I think that is the next step for him. He has to take shots and be productive even if the match-up isn't perfect. He's not going to be a 20pt per game guy... but he can/should score more than he has in the past.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 15, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
I know it's hard to see on television, but if you have ever seen any of the scrimmages or the games in person, Jamil is definitely a team leader and Buzz is constantly communicating with him, and Jamil ultimately coaching everybody else on the floor. It was especially noticeable at Halloween hoops, and after the Syracuse game when Buzz gave Jamil all of the credit for allowing him to play Davante and Christ together.
With this said, Jamil's not the most aggressive shooter/scorer in the world, and I think that is the next step for him. He has to take shots and be productive even if the match-up isn't perfect. He's not going to be a 20pt per game guy... but he can/should score more than he has in the past.
No wonder we won that game. ;D
Quote from: NWarsh on July 15, 2013, 04:45:54 PM
While I cannot argue with anything you said, I can counter with this...Couldn't the same be said for Jimmy going into his senior season? He was a role player who was very efficient inside offensively, but had never shown any signs of being a willing mid-range jump shooter (though his FT shooting suggested he would be good if he would just pull the trigger), never handled the ball a lot or had any signs of being a true team leader. That is the great thing about Buzz, he challenges guys and pushes them to new limits that a lot of times they did not even think were possible. I fully expect somebody to make that jump up. My vote would be for Jamil because he can effect both ends of the floor. I expect a similar season to Jimmy's senior year from him.
Except for stroke 3s -- and even there, Jamil has been streaky -- Butler did pretty much everything better as a junior than Jamil did. Scored more. Was much more aggressive with the balls, drew a lot more fouls, shot a higher percentage, rebounded better, was infinitely more intense and defended 5x better. I mean, it's not close. And that was only Jimmy's second year in the program and his first as a starter. Jamil has been around for three years already.
I'd settle for Jamil as a senior being 80% as effective and intense as Jimmy was as a junior!
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