http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/report-luol-deng-to-the-wizards-for-the-no-3-pick-discussed/
If true, I'd imagine the Bulls would target Ben McLemore and slide Jimmy to the three spot.
Ben McLemore....
(http://media.tumblr.com/eca0f968852a2f1941893b59a7256c78/tumblr_inline_mlu2joXCHA1qz4rgp.gif)
If he's still there of course.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 24, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/report-luol-deng-to-the-wizards-for-the-no-3-pick-discussed/
If true, I'd imagine the Bulls would target Ben McLemore and slide Jimmy to the three spot.
If McLemore is gone. Otto Porter would be a cheaper, Deng-like player.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 24, 2013, 01:15:42 PM
If McLemore is gone. Otto Porter would be a cheaper, Deng-like player.
I think the Bulls already see Jimmy as a cheaper Deng-like player.
What they really need is a shooter who's athletic enough to stay on the court and guard NBA twos, i.e. not Marco Belinelli or Kyle Korver. McLemore could be that guy.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 24, 2013, 01:28:12 PM
I think the Bulls already see Jimmy as a cheaper Deng-like player.
What they really need is a shooter who's athletic enough to stay on the court and guard NBA twos, i.e. not Marco Belinelli or Kyle Korver. McLemore could be that guy.
Yes, but McLemore isn't going to be there at #3. Porter can shoot and defend and will be there at #3.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/luol-deng-to-wizards-trade-explored-reports-say-90521.html
Another article, this one from DC. Wizards have some options here, either get Deng or take Porter. I'd stick and take the younger Porter.
David Aldridge is shooting this one down.
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/349243224042385409
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/luol-deng-to-wizards-trade-explored-reports-say-90521.html
Another article, this one from DC. Wizards have some options here, either get Deng or take Porter. I'd stick and take the younger Porter.
Yeah, doesn't make sense. Why would you give up the #3 pick for Deng?
Quote from: Aughnanure on June 24, 2013, 02:29:10 PM
Yeah, doesn't make sense. Why would you give up the #3 pick for Deng?
Well, he's an all-star who plays great defense and is still 28 years old (younger than LeBron or Carmelo Anthony).
And, if you're the Wizards, you're a very young team with no semblance of leadership that has a fan base desperate for some reason to be optimistic about at least contending for the playoffs. Oh, and your starting 3 last year was Martell Webster.
And, finally, a #3 pick is hardly a sure thing (see: Enes Kantor, Derrick Favors, OJ Mayo, Adam Morrison, Mike Dunleavy, Darius Miles).
Obviously there have been some real good #3s also (Melo, Deron Williams, Al Horford) but overall more misses than hits.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 24, 2013, 02:45:05 PM
Well, he's an all-star who plays great defense and is still 28 years old (younger than LeBron or Carmelo Anthony).
And, if you're the Wizards, you're a very young team with no semblance of leadership that has a fan base desperate for some reason to be optimistic about at least contending for the playoffs. Oh, and you're starting 3 last year was Martell Webster.
And, finally, a #3 pick is hardly a sure thing (see: Enes Kantor, Derrick Favors, OJ Mayo, Adam Morrison, Mike Dunleavy, Darius Miles).
Obviously there have been some real good #3s also (Melo, Deron Williams, Al Horford) but overall more misses than hits.
Then why are the Bull trying to get rid of him?
I mean's he's a fine player but it would be a miscalculation to stop the youth movement in DC. You're not beating the Heat, Pacers, or Bulls anytime soon and Porter brings an already local fan favorite to the team. Is simply contending for the playoffs the goal now?
He's a free agent at the end of next year so if they trade him now they can at least get something back rather than letting him walk. Also as the title of the thread suggests this move would allow Jimmy to take over that roll full time.
Quote from: cbowe3 on June 24, 2013, 03:16:00 PM
He's a free agent at the end of next year so if they trade him now they can at least get something back rather than letting him walk. Also as the title of the thread suggests this move would allow Jimmy to take over that roll full time.
Yes. It's almost a sure thing that the Bulls, for salary cap and roster reasons, will let Deng walk after the upcoming season unless he agrees to a massive hometown discount.
That being the case, why wouldn't the Bulls consider moving him for a relatively inexpensive asset now instead of letting him go for nothing next summer.
I've heard rumors of the Bulls packaging Jimmy, the Charlotte first round pick in the future, and our sharpshooter in Europe (Nikola Mirotic) in a trade for Kevin Love. We'll have plenty of cap room (Deng might be gone, Boozer's huge contract will be a gone). But we'll see what happens. I love Jimmy, but I think he is a huge trading chip now because of his fantastic season. Very interesting situation he's in.
Quote from: Aughnanure on June 24, 2013, 03:02:44 PM
Then why are the Bull trying to get rid of him?
I mean's he's a fine player but it would be a miscalculation to stop the youth movement in DC. You're not beating the Heat, Pacers, or Bulls anytime soon and Porter brings an already local fan favorite to the team. Is simply contending for the playoffs the goal now?
Beyond the salary cap issues mentioned below, Otto Porter is as likely to be another Josh Childress or Jared Jeffries as he is another Lu Deng.
Fans tend to overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven players. You're just as likely (maybe more likely) to miss with a top 5 pick than hit.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on June 24, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
I've heard rumors of the Bulls packaging Jimmy, the Charlotte first round pick in the future, and our sharpshooter in Europe (Nikola Mirotic) in a trade for Kevin Love. We'll have plenty of cap room (Deng might be gone, Boozer's huge contract will be a gone). But we'll see what happens. I love Jimmy, but I think he is a huge trading chip now because of his fantastic season. Very interesting situation he's in.
I'd be stunned if the Bulls give up that much for an injury-prone player who's a free agent in two seasons.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 24, 2013, 03:36:50 PM
Fans tend to overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven players. You're just as likely (maybe more likely) to miss with a top 5 pick than hit.
So true. Same is true about the incoming players versus the returnees in college. The unknown is generally overvalued - the triumph of hope over reality.
*If* this report is true, I'm wondering if the Bulls are interested in Oladipo as well. Most mocks I've seen are split with Oladipo and McLemore in the 2 and 5 spots.
IMO Deng is not a $14 million dollar player.
Quote from: LAZER on June 24, 2013, 03:51:26 PM
*If* this report is true, I'm wondering if the Bulls are interested in Oladipo as well. Most mocks I've seen are split with Oladipo and McLemore in the 2 and 5 spots.
Some mocks have changed in past two days, including the ESPN NBA guys. Noel is falling look a rock right now, with Alex Len from Maryland moving up to #1. Should be interesting.
Quote from: icheights on June 24, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
IMO Deng is not a $14 million dollar player.
Ironically, that trade also involved Chicago taking Emeka Okafor who is due $14.5 million next season
It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 24, 2013, 05:18:53 PM
It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.
Who lost their spot to injury here? Also that isn't always true. It is much better for baseball that Gehrig got his job. Same for football with Tom Brady. It is worse when tenure keeps a better player on the bench.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 24, 2013, 05:17:14 PM
Ironically, that trade also involved Chicago taking Emeka Okafor who is due $14.5 million next season
Expiring contract yo. Some valuable ish right there.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 24, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Who lost their spot to injury here? Also that isn't always true. It is much better for baseball that Gehrig got his job. Same for football with Tom Brady. It is worse when tenure keeps a better player on the bench.
While those examples were great for their respective teams/sports, I'm pretty sure Sunbelt was referring to being the one losing the job, not the team/sport itself.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 24, 2013, 05:18:53 PM
It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.
If you are referring to Noel, he was an early entrant. He didn't have to be.
And if he was on top of the mock drafts before...and is falling now...I am not sure the injury is the reason.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 24, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Who lost their spot to injury here? Also that isn't always true. It is much better for baseball that Gehrig got his job. Same for football with Tom Brady. It is worse when tenure keeps a better player on the bench.
I think he means Deng.
If you guys follow the Bulls, you know that Thibs doesn't really believe in players losing their job due to injury. If the player is healthy, he will gradually ease him into playing but very seldom does someone lose their starting spot. That happened to Rip Hamilton this year, but is a very seldom occurrence.
This isn't happening because of Jimmy's rise as a potential star. Deng's contract has been a topic of interest for the whole season, whether to resign him and how that contract will impact that cap for this upcoming year. Deng being the subject of trade talks isn't anything new. This isn't happening strictly because of Jimmy. I don't think they'd trade Deng. I think Booz is the one that is not going to be back next year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
I think he means Deng.
Thank you.
Sad for the productive player. He was the second option, behind Rose. Now, because of injury and the emergence of Butler, he's being DENGled (dangled) at Cleveland in trade talks. Cleveland is at least three solid players away from making the playoffs. Bulls are a Rose away from championship contention. Deng loses a lot from this injury.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 25, 2013, 09:37:15 AM
Thank you.
Sad for the productive player. He was the second option, behind Rose. Now, because of injury and the emergence of Butler, he's being DENGled (dangled) at Cleveland in trade talks. Cleveland is at least three solid players away from making the playoffs. Bulls are a Rose away from championship contention. Deng loses a lot from this injury.
The Bulls' shopping of Deng has nothing to do with his injury and everything to do with his contract and the team's need to get better at other positions, most notably the need for a full-time SG who can shoot.
For the previous poster ... highly unlikely Boozer is going anywhere. I don't think they'll be able to find anyone willing to take on his contract (at least not without taking on a worse contract in return, which sorta defeats the purpose) and I don't think Thibs and Foreman are sold on Taj Gibson as a full-time starter.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 25, 2013, 09:50:18 AM
The Bulls' shopping of Deng has nothing to do with his injury and everything to do with his contract and the team's need to get better at other positions, most notably the need for a full-time SG who can shoot.
For the previous poster ... highly unlikely Boozer is going anywhere. I don't think they'll be able to find anyone willing to take on his contract (at least not without taking on a worse contract in return, which sorta defeats the purpose) and I don't think Thibs and Foreman are sold on Taj Gibson as a full-time starter.
Don't think Deng would be in trade talks if was wasn't injured.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 25, 2013, 10:03:15 AM
Don't think Deng would be in trade talks if was wasn't injured.
He has the past two years because the bulls are looking to put them in a spot to win in the near future. They aren't exactly sure if they can win now or not. Deng is an expiring contract and the Bulls are smart for at least exploring trade opportunities before he possibly leaves for nothing.
He's expensive.
He has a lot of mileage.
If you can find production from a younger/cheaper player, then you looks to deal him and allocate that $$ elsewhere.
Being a GM isn't just about basketball, it's about economics and allocation of resources.
Quote from: marquette20 on June 25, 2013, 10:30:15 AM
He has the past two years because the bulls are looking to put them in a spot to win in the near future. They aren't exactly sure if they can win now or not. Deng is an expiring contract and the Bulls are smart for at least exploring trade opportunities before he possibly leaves for nothing.
Sorry, didn't know. Thought it was something new from ESPN's recent high reporting of the situation. Bulls trade talk not strong in my neck of the woods.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on June 25, 2013, 10:45:01 AM
He's expensive.
He has a lot of mileage.
If you can find production from a younger/cheaper player, then you looks to deal him and allocate that $$ elsewhere.
Being a GM isn't just about basketball, it's about economics and allocation of resources.
Perfectly stated. Dollar for dollar, Jimmy is way more valuable.
word today is the Bulls are working on an extension for Deng
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--bulls--luol-deng-talking-contract-extension-171420751.html
Quote from: Red Stripe on June 26, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
word today is the Bulls are working on an extension for Deng
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--bulls--luol-deng-talking-contract-extension-171420751.html
Should be interesting to see if they can agree on how much he is worth to the team.
I really hope Deng sucks it up and takes a paycut so the Bulls can bring in more talent...
Just like Rose did.
Hopefully Bulls draft Hardaway Jr. or someone that can shoot at #20.