If you understand Italian, here is the La Repubblica story ...
http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2013/06/11/news/precipita_nel_tevere_morto_studente_americano-60839731/?ref=search
Below is the NY Daily New version of the story.
The Daily News link has several Facebook and twitter video/pictures of him taken in the hours before his death. To me he looks like a kid having a good time in Italy, like anyone would. Unfortunately I fear the pictures, combined with the facts below will leave many with the impression of an irresponsible student that was careless. I hope my fears are misplaced.
A horrible story, my prayers go out to his family.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-student-dies-rome-falling-wall-article-1.1370210
June 12, 2013
New York Daily News
American student, 21, dies in Rome after fall from high wall, was pretending to be tightrope walker
Andrew Keith Carr, 21, of Milwaukee's Marquette University, died in Italy after he reportedly went on a pub crawl in Rome's Trastevere district Monday night.
An American student taking classes in Italy fell to his death after drunkenly pretending to be a tightrope walker on top of a 65-feet high wall, police said.
Andrew Keith Carr, 21, reportedly went on a pub crawl in the Trastevere district of Rome on Monday night.
But he lost his balance while walking on a ledge near the historic Ponte Sisto bridge and plunged onto the sidewalk by the River Tiber.
Carr, an Indiana native studying at Marquette University in Wisconsin, was enrolled at John Cabot University in the Italian capital as part of a study abroad program.
La Repubblica reports Carr was drinking with pals before ending up on the riverside wall at 2 a.m.
Goofing around, cops say he tumbled, breaking his cervical vertebrae and killing himself on impact.
Marquette University President Rev. Scott Pilarz paid tribute to Carr.
"His light only graced this campus for a short time, but his memory will live in his family, his friends and our Marquette community forever," he said in a statement.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on June 13, 2013, 07:13:33 AM
The Daily News link has several Facebook and twitter video/pictures of him taken in the hours before his death. To me he looks like a kid having a good time in Italy, like anyone would. Unfortunately I fear the pictures, combined with the facts below will leave many with the impression of an irresponsible student that was careless. I hope my fears are misplaced.
As horrible as it seems to say this, he
was careless, on that night at least. As a parent of college students, my heart is aching for his family. It also spooks me that there but for the grace of God go I, or any number of my friends who did stupid stuff when we were drunk (or merely displaying the naivete of youth). It is my hope that this serves as a cautionary tale for my own Marquette students.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 13, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
As horrible as it seems to say this, he was careless, on that night at least. As a parent of a college student my heart is aching for his family. It also spooks me that there but for the grace of God go I, or any number of my friends who did stupid stuff when we were drunk (or merely displaying the naivete of youth). It is my hope that this serves as a cautionary tale for my own Marquette students.
Exactly. I think we would be hard pressed to say that we didn't act irresponsibly at some point.
Horribly sad and really puts one at a loss for words. As a parent of two MU students we definitely will talk about the horrible news with our kids and hopefully they learn from this. No doubt all or most of us did crazy things in our college days and makes you want to protect your kids even more after this news.
So sad! Be Careful, Safe, and have a great summer fellow warriors and fans.
Call me oversensative, but that article had a line that I thought was inappropriate...
"An American student taking classes in Italy fell to his death after drunkenly pretending to be a tightrope walker on top of a 65-feet high wall, police said."
How many times have you seen a story in which someone was killed doing something inadvisable while drinking in which it was called simply an accident? Or say they died after a fall? Just the way they phrased it, plus calling out tightrope walking, if it was my friend or family member, I'd be kind of peeved.
Tragic story all around.
There are degrees of irresponsibility.
On one end of the spectrum is drunken college hijinks. On the other end of the spectrum is fucking around on a 65 foot wall. Drunk, buzzed, or sober that's just being stupid.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 13, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
Call me oversensative, but that article had a line that I thought was inappropriate...
"An American student taking classes in Italy fell to his death after drunkenly pretending to be a tightrope walker on top of a 65-feet high wall, police said."
How many times have you seen a story in which someone was killed doing something inadvisable while drinking in which it was called simply an accident? Or say they died after a fall? Just the way they phrased it, plus calling out tightrope walking, if it was my friend or family member, I'd be kind of peeved.
Tragic story all around.
It is a translation of Italian. Keep that in mind.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 13, 2013, 10:23:56 AM
Drunk, buzzed, or sober that's just being stupid.
This.
Or maybe the UW-La Crosse serial killer pushed him in?
Quote from: warriorchick on June 13, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
also spooks me that there but for the grace of God go I, or any number of my friends who did stupid stuff when we were drunk (or merely displaying the naivete of youth).
sad and a tragedy.
Let's wait until after the funeral to comment on the stupidity. OK?
Quote from: JWags85 on June 13, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
Call me oversensative, but that article had a line that I thought was inappropriate...
"An American student taking classes in Italy fell to his death after drunkenly pretending to be a tightrope walker on top of a 65-feet high wall, police said."
How many times have you seen a story in which someone was killed doing something inadvisable while drinking in which it was called simply an accident? Or say they died after a fall? Just the way they phrased it, plus calling out tightrope walking, if it was my friend or family member, I'd be kind of peeved.
Tragic story all around.
I agree. There was certainly a tone of "he deserved it" with that description. This story reminds me of some late nights on the roof of Pabst Mansion. So dumb. I'll leave it at that.
Good lord, look at the lack of sensitivity shown by people when their is the anonymity of a message board. Can you give this kid and family a break for a while before you call their son stupid and immature? They'll never see their kid again and you're going to spend a couple minutes making sure people get to read that you think he's stupid.
Unfortunate story and I hope the family copes in the correct manner.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Good lord, look at the lack of sensitivity shown by people when their is the anonymity of a message board. Can you give this kid and family a break for a while before you call their son stupid and immature? They'll never see their kid again and you're going to spend a couple minutes making sure people get to read that you think he's stupid.
Unfortunate story and I hope the family copes in the correct manner.
I'm all for respecting the dead and others' grieving, etc., but I doubt very much that this young man's family are scanning MU Scoop this morning to find out what Marquette basketball fans think of this death.
But if they are, no doubt they'll appreciate your concern troll.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Good lord, look at the lack of sensitivity shown by people when their is the anonymity of a message board. Can you give this kid and family a break for a while before you call their son stupid and immature? They'll never see their kid again and you're going to spend a couple minutes making sure people get to read that you think he's stupid.
Unfortunate story and I hope the family copes in the correct manner.
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Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Good lord, look at the lack of sensitivity shown by people when their is the anonymity of a message board. Can you give this kid and family a break for a while before you call their son stupid and immature? They'll never see their kid again and you're going to spend a couple minutes making sure people get to read that you think he's stupid.
Unfortunate story and I hope the family copes in the correct manner.
I don't think anyone here is singling out this kid for being stupid. If anything, the comments are a testament that most, if not all, of us have been stupid, drunken college students at some point... heck, I'll be amongst to first to admit that I've done stupider stuff than walk along a 65' wall. But unless you're an atheist, I wouldn't go looking for disrespect in our merely reflecting on how fortunate some of us were.
Maybe if people get called out on stupid crap, these sad topics will stop.
We've all done stupid stuff and gotten lucky.
I feel terrible for his family.
I have lived with death daily for too many years. This one is completely senseless.
Quote from: Benny B on June 13, 2013, 12:16:50 PM
I don't think anyone here is singling out this kid for being stupid. If anything, the comments are a testament that most, if not all, of us have been stupid, drunken college students at some point... heck, I'll be amongst to first to admit that I've done stupider stuff than walk along a 65' wall. But unless you're an atheist, I wouldn't go looking for disrespect in our merely reflecting on how fortunate some of us were.
+1
Very sad. My heart goes out to this young man's family.
Best wishes and prayers to this family. There but for the grace of God....
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Really regretted that last meal
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 13, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
Really regretted that last meal
This reminds me of what I think was an In Living Color sketch about a company who would "clean up" anything that would serve to tarnish your memory in the event of an untimely death. All I remember was the image of a professional-looking guy who passed on and the company guys hauling boxes of porn, sex toys, and a goat out of his apartment minutes after he died.
This should serve as a lesson to everyone - especially kids - about not only the "it could happen to you" aspect but also "how do you want to be remembered" in the age of social media and 5-second soundbites.
Quote from: Benny B on June 13, 2013, 12:16:50 PM
I don't think anyone here is singling out this kid for being stupid. If anything, the comments are a testament that most, if not all, of us have been stupid, drunken college students at some point... heck, I'll be amongst to first to admit that I've done stupider stuff than walk along a 65' wall. But unless you're an atheist, I wouldn't go looking for disrespect in our merely reflecting on how fortunate some of us were.
This.
RIP
Any of us that are parents, and especially those with teenagers, I know we cringe at times. I remember the stupid stuff I did and hope my kids won't do the same, or be lucky enough not to pay the price as a result.
Prayers to the family.
Hey guys.
New poster on here. I was fortunate enough to consider Keith to be one of my friends. He lived on the same floor as me in McCormick during freshmen year, and he was one of the first people I became friends with at Marquette. He was a great kid, very caring for everyone, and loved to make everyone laugh. Based on the response from everyone that knew him, he was very well-loved by everyone.
Please keep Keith and his family in your thoughts and prayers, as well as the people that were in Italy with him. Just absolutely tragic that this happened, and it goes to show how fragile life truly is.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 13, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
RIP
Any of us that are parents, and especially those with teenagers, I know we cringe at times. I remember the stupid stuff I did and hope my kids won't do the same, or be lucky enough not to pay the price as a result.
Prayers to the family.
Well said, maestro.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 13, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
As horrible as it seems to say this, he was careless, on that night at least.
Spare us the santimony. He died. This isn't the time to
point out what should or shouldn't have happened. It is horrible for you to say that. Have some respect.
Tower posted exactly what I was thinking - "There but for the grace of God..."
Quote from: Avenue Commons on June 14, 2013, 01:51:27 PM
Spare us the santimony. He died. This isn't the time to
point out what should or shouldn't have happened. It is horrible for you to say that. Have some respect.
By saying it on a message board it's not having respect. Maybe others can learn from this, so it doesn't happen again.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 13, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
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Really regretted that last meal
This is what I'm referring to in the first post ... This is a funny picture and nothing wrong with posting it on Facebook. However, it is now one of his last images of him alive and in papers in Italy and the US forming the impression strangers of have him.
I'm guessing that his family would argue this picture is not the image the world should have of him.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on June 14, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
This is what I'm referring to in the first post ... This is a funny picture and nothing wrong with posting it on Facebook. However, it is now one of his last images of him alive and in papers in Italy and the US forming the impression strangers of have him.
I'm guessing that his family would argue this picture is not the image the world should have of him.
Honestly, why not. To me it shows a kid who has a sense of humor, that enjoys life and isn't afraid to have fun. His life was tragically cut too short. My prayers are with his family and friends.
Ultimately, though a lighthearted picture of me enjoying life and a sense of humor would be a perfectly fine way for everyone to remember me by.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on June 14, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
This is what I'm referring to in the first post ... This is a funny picture and nothing wrong with posting it on Facebook. However, it is now one of his last images of him alive and in papers in Italy and the US forming the impression strangers of have him.
I'm guessing that his family would argue this picture is not the image the world should have of him.
This is what his profile picture is on Facebook. Luckily I haven't seen a goofy picture with me in it as well, but yes it seems like certain articles have been using the most ridiculous pictures they can find. Keith was not a typical obnoxious frat bro either, and I guess the kind of pictures they are finding just show how goofy and fun he was without caring if people thought he was weird.
Quote from: forgetful on June 14, 2013, 10:45:46 PM
Honestly, why not. To me it shows a kid who has a sense of humor, that enjoys life and isn't afraid to have fun. His life was tragically cut too short. My prayers are with his family and friends.
Ultimately, though a lighthearted picture of me enjoying life and a sense of humor would be a perfectly fine way for everyone to remember me by.
Except he died while trying to tightrope a 65 foot wall while drunk. So I agree with you about what the picture portrays, given the circumstances, I don't think I want to reinforce them image of goofing around too much.
Again, I believe he was a good kid that had a horrible thing happen. But the circumstances, and that picture, I fear it will reinforce an unfair image of him ... An irresponsible kid behaving recklessly in Italy.
I hope I'm wrong.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess his parents aren't sitting somewhere thinking, "if only he'd had a more appropriate Facebook picture...maybe something with a tie...what must people be thinking of him?!"
I'm guessing it hasn't crossed their mind in their grief. There are no words for what they're going through. My thoughts and prayers are with them.
I've seen plenty of regrettable Facebook pictures. That isn't one of them. Goofy and fun...yes. As a parent of a boy about his age, I really don't understand the issue with that picture.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on June 14, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
This is what I'm referring to in the first post ... This is a funny picture and nothing wrong with posting it on Facebook. However, it is now one of his last images of him alive and in papers in Italy and the US forming the impression strangers of have him.
I'm guessing that his family would argue this picture is not the image the world should have of him.
If this happened to my son (God forbid), who is only one year older, and this was the last picture taken of him....I would laugh and snicker every time I saw it. Especially since it apparently captures his personality so well.
Sometimes people go out of their way to overthink things.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 15, 2013, 01:37:31 PM
If this happened to my son (God forbid), who is only one year older, and this was the last picture taken of him....I would laugh and snicker every time I saw it. Especially since it apparently captures his personality so well.
Sometimes people go out of their way to overthink things.
Agree wholeheartedly. It's not a funeral pic, it's a pic that people can remember more than just looks with. You can see personality in it, and that's important as the years go by.
It seems his friends will remember and miss the smiles he brought their lives. What better legacy than those pictures and the fine things they and Fr. Pilarz have said about him. Whether 18 or 81 we have limited time and I consider it great he spent his time enjoying that life. RIP
http://fox59.com/2013/06/11/greencastle-mourns-college-students-tragic-death-abroad/#axzz2WHpskm00
My hope is that St. Peter's greeting went something like this.... 'Nice pic Keith. We have ice cream here too. Let's get you settled in, okay?' RIP.
Quote from: jsglow on June 15, 2013, 04:05:18 PM
My hope is that St. Peter's greeting went something like this.... 'Nice pic Keith. We have ice cream here too. Let's get you settled in, okay?' RIP.
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Funny picture, seems like a good egg.
RIP
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 13, 2013, 10:29:04 AM
It is a translation of Italian. Keep that in mind.
As the pictures accompanying the article show, and from personally walking that same stretch, the wall is quite high on one side, but only apparently knee or waist high along via lungotravere dei tebaldi. Horrible mistake with tragic consequences.